Best of Siege PvP General
6/22/2022 – There is an overall change in ranking due to a change in evaluation criteria. / Add a overall rating section for “If you pay a lot of money”
6/6/2022 – Added Surena.
3/25/2022 – Added Philip II. / There is an overall change in ranking due to a change in evaluation criteria.
11/4/2021 – ver4 major update changes Ulysses’ dragon requirement from Pasture to Any Dragons / Isabell I’s dragon requirement from Norway Ridge to Sacred Dragon.
9/13/2021 – Added generals that are now available in relics in “pay no money” section.
8/8/2021 – Changed the assumptions of the “pay no money” case / Changed all generals’ stats when using Lv4 skillbook / Added a lot of generals if you pay no money / Added ranking when reinforcements
8/5/2021 – added Ramesses II
The following rankings are based on my personal opinion when the troop formation is specialized in siege machine.
Assumptions
Evaluation Criteria
The basic importance of siege machines, by their very nature, is their attack strength and march size. However, the main use of specialized siege machine units is siege bombing (clearing enemy siege machines with our large number of siege machines) at keep levels of approximately 35 and above. This is true both when attacking and reinforcing. Since this is a battle of the same type, HP and defense are also important in this case.
Therefore, the general with the highest values for attack, defense, HP, and march size, or these 4 values, is ranked higher.
Also, if these values are close, the difference in buffs due to stats is taken into account.
In addition, when fighting against enemy units specializing in ranged troops, attack and march size are important, while defense and HP are less important. Since there is a use of clearing enemy ranged troops after clearing enemy siege machines, if the above 4 values are close, the one with the higher attack is ranked higher.
Two types of rankings
Some generals are very difficult to obtain without paying for them.
In addition, the performance of each general varies greatly depending on whether or not they can maximize their 4 specialties.
And it is difficult to maximize all 4 unless you are heavily charged. (Reference: Specialty Guide)
Therefore, the ranking is divided into the case of no charge and the case of heavy charge.
Superiority by Star Level 10
At this time, I am not ranking the superiority by “whether or not Star Level 10 is unlocked (Whether or not he/she is a Red Generals).”
I do not know what will happen in the future, but the ranking is based on the assumption that everyone will be able to make Star Level 10.
If you pay no money
- General – Only available in the Tavern / Great General Chest / Relics.
- Specialty – Only the 3 left are considered.
If you pay a lot of money
- General – All
- Specialty – Maximize all 4.
Other
Stats Format : Leadership / Attack / Defense / Politics
A) If you pay no money
Assumptions
- General – Only generals available in the Tavern / Great General Chest / Relics.
- Specialty – Only the 3 left are considered. (Reference: Specialty Guide)
Overall Rating – In case of no payment, Ulysses S. Grant is recommended.
1. Ulysses S. Grant
- Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +30% (requires any dragon)
- Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+20%, Defense+10%, Mounted Attack +10% (when attaking), Ground Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size +6%
- Base Stats – 114 / 120 / 115 / 100
- Stats Increases – 8.79 / 8.80 / 8.95 / 8.25
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +75% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – If a dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -15% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.
2. Khalid
- Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +20%
- Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +30%, HP+20%, Defense+10%, Ranged Attack +10%
- Base Stats – 114 / 112 / 109 / 113
- Stats Increases – 9.35 / 8.55 / 8.19 / 8.45
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +75% (add) Note: can’t use Lv1-3
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +%12 (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – Khalid cannot use Lv1-3 of the siege attack skill book, so if you want to add siege attack Lv4, you cannot use the following techniques. The difficulty of getting the three skills you want is high. If you are not able to add Siege Attack Lv4, you will receive -25% from the above.
General Skill – How to add 3 Skills “You Want”
3. Sherman
- Skill – Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), Enemy wounded into death +5% (when attacking)
- Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), HP+10%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attaking), March Size +6%, Enemy wounded into death +10% (when attacking)
- Base Stats – 109 / 115 / 109 / 101
- Stats Increases – 8.94 / 8.71 / 8.51 / 8.51
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +65% (add)
- Siege HP +10%
- Siege Defense +0%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
4. Suleiman the Magnificent
- Skill – Siege & Ranged Attack +15%, Enemy Troop Defense -10%
- Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+20%, Defense+10%, Enemy Troop Defense -10%+6%
- Base Stats – 112 / 109 / 107 / 108
- Stats Increases – 8.73 / 8.37 / 8.62 / 8.82
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +60% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +12% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
5. William Wallace
- Skill – Siege Attack +20%, Enemy Ground Defense -20%
- Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+10%, Ranged Attack +10%, Enemy wounded into death +10% (when attacking)
- Base Stats – 103 / 113 / 110 / 97
- Stats Increases – 8.36 / 8.67 / 8.71 / 8.11
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +65% (add)
- Siege HP +10%
- Siege Defense +0%
- March Size +12% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
6. Isabella I
- Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +10%, March Size +10% (requires sacred dragon)
- Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+10%, Ranged Attack +10%, Troop death into troop soul rate in the main city +10%
- Base Stats – 115 / 112 / 113 / 120
- Stats Increases – 8.86 / 8.27 / 8.28 / 9.15
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +55% (add)
- Siege HP +10%
- Siege Defense +0%
- March Size +22% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
7. Emperor Qin Shihuang
- Skill – Siege Attack +35%
- Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), Defense +10%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attaking), March Size +6%, Troop death into troop soul rate in the main city +10%
- Base Stats – 100 / 106 / 100 / 125
- Stats Increases – 7.83 / 7.92 / 7.83 / 9.51
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +55% (can’t add)
- Siege HP +25% (add)
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – The buffs are not bad overall, but the status increases are low.
B) If you pay a lot of money 1 – Overall Rating
Assumptions
- General – All
- Specialty – Maximize all 4. (Reference: Specialty Guide)
See Sections C and D for details on the generals’ performance.
All generals are peculiar and have their own strengths and weaknesses, so it is very difficult to assign a superiority rating.
If you can get a dragon, then Surena or Ulysses.
If you cannot get a dragon, Ramses II or Philip II.
(Dragons for siege machines are very difficult to obtain. It is not something you can get if you pay a lot of money. Reference: Dragon Complete Guide – Type, Buff, Enhance)
1. Surena
- GOOD: Very high “total” attack, defense and HP.
- GOOD: almost not weakened by reinforcements to alliance members’ castles or by making him a wall defender. (If original skill set is 5 stars)
- BAD: Difficult to get to star level 10 because it is difficult to obtain without paying a fee.
- BAD: Without the dragon, it weakens a bit.
Note: It was originally possible to attach the skill book for attack, but now it appears that it is no longer possible to do so. I will wait and see for a while, as it is unclear whether the developer will leave it as is or revert back to being able to attach it in the future. I will leave the article in this state for the time being.
2. Ulysses S. Grant
- GOOD: almost not weakened by reinforcements to alliance members’ castles or by making him a wall defender. (If original skill set is 5 stars)
- GOOD: Relatively easy to get to star level 10 because you can get him at the tavern.
- BAD: Without the dragon, it is greatly weakened.
3. Ramesses II
- GOOD: Full performance without dragons attached.
- GOOD: Not too weakened by reinforcements to alliance members’ castles or by making him a wall defender. (If original skill set is 5 stars)
- BAD: Difficult to get to star level 10 because it is difficult to obtain without paying a fee.
4. Philip II
- GOOD: If you are the rally owner, the rally capacity will increase.
- GOOD: Full performance without dragons attached.
- BAD: Greatly weakened when used as reinforcements to alliance members’ castles or as a wall defender. (If original skill set is 5 stars)
- BAD: Difficult to get to star level 10 because it is difficult to obtain without paying a fee.
C) If you pay a lot of money 2 – March & Rally
The ranking is as follows.
General Comment – Recommendations for marching/rallying are…
If you can get a dragon, Surena or Ulysses S. Grant.
If you can’t get a dragon, Ramses II or Philip II.
However, in terms of difficulty to get the star level to 10, Ulysses S. Grant. (To get a paid general to 10 stars, you need to get at least 5 of the same general and sell them. If you don’t have that confidence, I don’t recommend the paid generals.)
Details: General’s Star Level & Common Misconceptions (Enhance / Ascending Guide)
1. Surena
- Skill – Siege Attack +40% (requires any dragon)
- Specialties – Siege Attack +55% (when attacking), HP+40%, Defense +30%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size +6%
- Base Stats – 117 / 119 / 116 / 108
- Stats Increases – 9.06 / 8.91 / 8.83 / 8.55
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +120% (add)
- Siege HP +40%
- Siege Defense +30%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note: It was originally possible to attach the skill book for attack, but now it appears that it is no longer possible to do so. I will wait and see for a while, as it is unclear whether the developer will leave it as is or revert back to being able to attach it in the future. I will leave the article in this state for the time being.
Total value with Attack, defense and HP is very high.
Most of the buffs are “basic buffs”, so they are almost never weakened during reinforcements or wall defenders (details are described later).
Note – If a dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -15% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.
2. Philip II
- Skill – Siege Attack +25% (when attaking), Rally Capacity +10% (when launching rally)
- Specialties – Siege Attack +60% (when attacking), HP+20%, Defense +10%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size +6%, Rally Capacity +5%
- Base Stats – 118 / 116 / 114 / 110
- Stats Increases – 8.93 / 8.95 / 8.88 / 8.59
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +110% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
If rally capacity is important to you, choose Philip II. (max +15%)
He also has a higher status increase than Ramses II; considering his status at Lv40, he is rated about the same as Ramsses II.
3. Ramesses II
- Skill – Siege Attack +20%, Defense +20%, Ground HP +10%
- Specialties – Siege Attack +60% (when attacking), HP+10%, Defense +20%, Ranged Attack +10%, Ground HP +30%
- Base Stats – 113 / 111 / 106 / 112
- Stats Increases – 8.75 / 8.79 / 8.56 / 8.75
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +105% (add)
- Siege HP +10%
- Siege Defense +40%
- March Size +12% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
4. Ulysses S. Grant
- Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +30% (requires any dragon)
- Specialties – Siege Attack +46% (requires any dragon), HP +20%, Defense +10%, Mounted Attack +36% (requires any dragon / when attacking), Ground Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size Capacity +6%
- Base Stats – 114 / 120 / 115 / 100
- Stats Increases – 8.79 / 8.80 / 8.95 / 8.25
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +101% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – If a dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -41% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.
5. Napoleon
- Skill – All Troop Attack +10% (when attacking), Siege Attack +20% (when attacking)
- Specialties – Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), HP +10%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attacking), All Troop Attack +22% (when attacking), March Size Capacity +16%
- Base Stats – 119 / 112 / 113 / 112
- Stats Increases – 9.24 / 8.85 / 8.65 / 8.41
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +97% (add)
- Siege HP +10%
- Siege Defense +0%
- March Size +28% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Although his attack is relatively low, his march size is large.
6. Matthias I
- Skill – Ranged & Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), March Size +5% (when attacking)
- Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP +20%, Defense +10%, Ranged Attack +30%
- Base Stats – 107 / 117 / 111 / 104
- Stats Increases – 8.79 / 8.82 / 8.95 / 8.75
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +95% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +17% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
7. Khalid
- Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +20%
- Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP+20%, Defense +10%, Mounted Attack +20%, Ranged Attack +10%
- Base Stats – 114 / 112 / 109 / 113
- Stats Increases – 9.35 / 8.55 / 8.19 / 8.45
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +95% (add) Note: can’t use Lv1-3
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +12% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – Khalid cannot use Lv1-3 of the siege attack skill book, so if you want to add siege attack Lv4, you cannot use the following techniques. The difficulty of getting the three skills you want is high. If you are not able to add Siege Attack Lv4, you will receive -25% from the above.
General Skill – How to add 3 Skills “You Want”
Note – If only the 3 left specialties are considered
Siege Attack
- Surena +95%
- Napoleon +81%
- Philip II +80%
- Ramesses II +75%
- Ulysses S. Grant +75%
- Matthias I +75%
- Khalid +75%
Note – About the unranked generals
The following generals were excluded from the ranking because their siege attack is below +95% (even if they use skill book Lv4 and Maximize all 4 of Specialty).
- William Wallace (+91%)
- Sherman (+91%)
- Suleiman the Magnificent (+86%)
- Gustavus Adolphus (+86%)
- Isabella I (+85%)
- Emperor Qin Shihuang (+81%)
- Gwanggaeto the Great (+71%)
D) If you pay a lot of money 3 – Reinforce & Wall Defender ( dual role with attacker)
When a reinforcement to alliance member’s city, or a wall defender, the “marching buff” (“when General is leading the army to attack” buff) is disabled.
(See this article for details: Buff / Debuff – Basic Guide)
- Assumptions – Same as for (B).
- General – All
- Specialty – Maximize all 4. (Reference: Specialty Guide)
General Comment – Recommendations for Reinforce or Wall Defender ( dual role with attacker) are…
If you can get a dragon, Surena or Ulysses S. Grant.
If you can’t get a dragon, Ramses II.
However, in terms of difficulty to get the star level to 10, Ulysses S. Grant. (To get a paid general to 10 stars, you need to get at least 5 of the same general and sell them. If you don’t have that confidence, I don’t recommend the paid generals.)
Details: General’s Star Level & Common Misconceptions (Enhance / Ascending Guide)
1. Surena
- Skill – Siege Attack +40% (requires any dragon)
- Specialties –
Siege Attack +10% (when attacking), Siege Attack +45%, HP+40%, Defense +30%,Ranged Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size +6% - Base Stats – 117 / 119 / 116 / 108
- Stats Increases – 9.06 / 8.91 / 8.83 / 8.55
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +110% (add)
- Siege HP +40%
- Siege Defense +30%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note: It was originally possible to attach the skill book for attack, but now it appears that it is no longer possible to do so. I will wait and see for a while, as it is unclear whether the developer will leave it as is or revert back to being able to attach it in the future. I will leave the article in this state for the time being.
Most of the buffs are “basic buffs”, so they are almost never weakened during reinforcements or wall defenders.
Note – If a dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -15% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.
2. Ulysses S. Grant
- Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +30% (requires any dragon)
- Specialties – Siege Attack +46% (requires any dragon), HP +20%, Defense +10%,
Mounted Attack +10% (when attacking), Mounted Attack +26%,Ground Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size Capacity +6%
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +101% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – If a dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -41% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.
3. Ramesses II
- Skill – Siege Attack +20%, Defense +20%, Ground HP +10%
- Specialties –
Siege Attack +30% (when attacking), Siege Attack +30%, HP+10%, Defense +20%, Ranged Attack +10%,Ground HP +30% (when attacking)
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +75% (add)
- Siege HP +10%
- Siege Defense +40%
- March Size +12% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Although not included in the above figures, there are many “basic buffs” when the skills are 5 stars. Therefore, it is almost not weakened when reinforcing.
4. Khalid
- Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +20%
- Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP+20%, Defense +10%, Mounted Attack +20%, Ranged Attack +10%
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +95% (add) Note: can’t use Lv1-3
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +12% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – Khalid cannot use Lv1-3 of the siege attack skill book, so if you want to add siege attack Lv4, you cannot use the following techniques. The difficulty of getting the three skills you want is high. If you are not able to add Siege Attack Lv4, you will receive -25% from the above.
General Skill – How to add 3 Skills “You Want”
5. Philip II
- Skill –
Siege Attack +25% (when attaking), Rally Capacity +10% (when launching rally) - Specialties –
Siege Attack +10% (when attacking), Siege Attack +50%, HP+20%, Defense +10%,Ranged Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size +6%, Rally Capacity +5% - Base Stats – 118 / 116 / 114 / 110
- Stats Increases – 8.93 / 8.95 / 8.88 / 8.59
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +75% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +18% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Although not included in the above figures, there are more “marching buffs” when the skills are 5 stars. Thus, it is greatly weakened during reinforcements.
6. Matthias I
- Skill –
Ranged & Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), March Size +5% (when attacking) - Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP +20%, Defense +10%, Ranged Attack +30%
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +75% (add)
- Siege HP +20%
- Siege Defense +10%
- March Size +12% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
7. Napoleon
- Skill –
All Troop Attack +10% (when attacking), Siege Attack +20% (when attacking) - Specialties –
Siege Attack +10% (when attacking), Siege Attack +10%, HP +10%,Ranged Attack +10% (when attacking),All Troop Attack +22% (when attacking), March Size Capacity +16%
Example of adding a skillbook Lv4
- Siege Attack +35% (add)
- Siege HP +10%
- Siege Defense +0%
- March Size +28% (add)
- Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)
Note – If only the 3 left specialties are considered
Siege Attack
- Surena +85%
- Ramesses II +75%
- Ulysses S. Grant +75% (if without Dragon +60%)
- Khalid +75% (if without Lv4 skillbook +50%)
- Matthias I +55%
- Philip II +45%
- Napoleon +35%
Special Note – Napoleon’s Weaknesses
Napoleon perform significantly worse when they are not “attacking (marching)”, i.e., when they are reinforcements (alliance member’s city) or defense generals on wall.
If you are using them as your main general, some players may need to train a separate general for reinforcements.
Note – The following cases are no problem. Attack buffs (march buffs) are applied.
– When participating in a rally / starting a rally by yourself
– When sending reinforcements / defending / attacking an occupied building on the map (Portal, Temple, etc.)
Detailed explanation: Buff / Debuff – Basic Guide
Related – Other Recommended Generals
Overall
List of Best Generals
Recommended generals are summarized by role, such as battle-oriented and development-oriented.
Recommended Main Generals
For a detailed look at each type of troops, click here.
Recommended Assistant Generals
List of All Generals
List of Generals by Role (+ How to Get)
A comprehensive list of all golden historic generals, over 100 in total, by role.
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53 Comments
Would you create a best assistant general section with full specialties vs no specialties? Skill books are not as important since that is a compatibility issue…
Just a heads up… Evony forcibly removed the attack skill book from every Surena on every server… I wouldn’t consider him number one anymore…
With the official removal of the attack book by evony, can you update the list
Not sure what others are finding, but I have added Siege Attack, L4, to Surena.
Thanks for the info. You are right. I have obtained evidence that we can add Lv4.
Thank you, I’ll check with customer support then. I get a message that the general already has the skill at a higher level so I can’t add Siege attack to him.
Why can’t I add…
Sometimes you can’t add the lower level books if their innate skill is higher, not sure if that’s the case.
I tried to attach level 1 before attaching level 4, but it seems impossible :-<
impossible…..
Customer support is also telling me that siege attack skill cannot be added to Surena.
It was originally possible to attach the skill book for attack, but now it appears that it is no longer possible to do so. I will wait and see for a while, as it is unclear whether the developer will leave it as is or revert back to being able to attach it in the future.
Hello, just wanted to let you know that Surena cannot take a Siege Attack skillbook, so his siege attack is 95% before red stars, while Philip II can and his would be 110% with the skillbook and before red stars. Additionally, Surena only adds an additional 25% attack from all 5 red stars, while Philip II adds 35% without needing a dragon. Would you agree that this makes Philip II the better choice, or have I missed something?
Thanks for the info! However, I have obtained evidence that we can add Lv4.
Also, I have changed the evaluation criteria, please check the Assumptions section.
I have made adjustments throughout the article.
I have a L4 Siege Attack skill book on mine.
You don’t take into account that all of Philip II’s bonuses work if he is in command of an army. if it is added to the rally then it is not so good anymore.
You can’t add Seige Attack skill to Surena.
Thanks for the info! However, I have obtained evidence that we can add Lv4.
Thank you for all your help.
I previously asked a question in the “Generals Cultivation Guide” and your recommendation was to train a Ranged General as an attacker and defender.
I have two questions.
First, I am currently training Winfield Scott.
(Skills: Ranged Attack, March Size, Ranged Range, each giving Lv.4).
I have given him skills from the perspective of specializing in ranged troops, but should I consider replacing Ranged Attack with Siege Machines Range, etc. if he is also a defender?
Second, I have two players in my alliance who do not currently have a ranged general, but have a siege general.
They have Ulysses and Surena respectively.
Is there an option to use the siege general as an attacker and defender as a replacement for the ranged general?
If so, I would appreciate it if you could give me the recommended skills.
(Supplement)
I understand that a balance of 7~8 ranged / 2~3 siege and layers would be effective.
I assume that the priority of the skills is as follows
High: March size, Siege range, Ranged range
Medium: Siege attack, Ranged attack
Low: HP and defense
Thank you in advance.
Hi – great wiki that I reference often. Question though: I notice in several places throughout this Wiki, you discuss a mixed Range/Siege march (perhaps 80/20 or 70/30), but I wasn’t able to find anything regarding the reverse… a Siege/Ranged march (70/30), or maybe some other sort of mix like Siege/Ground. Is this something that is not advised? I have Napoleon and he has a 32% all troop buff (with all specialties activated), and 42% for Ranged. Would a mixed march be ill-advised for a Siege general? Do game mechanics make this strategy not successful?
If this can be a successful strategy, would adding the skills of Siege Range Bonus, Siege attack and Range Bonus (or ground speed) be advised? Thanks in advance.
It depends on the composition of the enemy. However, in reality, they are often not very useful.
Therefore, I do not recommend it.
In the case of siege/ground (70/30), it is strong against enemies specializing in ranged troops, but there is no point in increasing ground. Specializing in siege or ground is sufficient.
In the case of siege/ranged (70/30), it is effective when the enemy is ranged/mounted (70/30), but there are few such enemies.
In addition, ranged/siege (70/30) is effective against enemies with more mounted and ranged and fewer ground and siege, in other words, it is a formation that is easily useful until the middle of the game, so it is listed in a separate article.
Thank you, that makes sense. I will plan accordingly.
Customer service told me they have to delete my developed Surena but they need my permission. What are you hearing? I already have siege attack, siege range, and march size. If I leave it alone. Will my siege attack skill book stay?
Thank you for all your valuable information. Regarding Philip II, it is possible to add an attack.
I have added siege attack, siege range, and march size. Thank you very much.
Thanks for the info!
Based on the data above, Ulysses is ahead of Matthias in attack and march size. Is he ranked behind him because he needs a dragon?
Yes. That is correct.
Because for many people, they cannot afford to put a dragon on a siege general.
If you can put a dragon on it, Ulysses is better.
(Nidhogg on the cavalry general, Fafnir on Ulysses)
Related: Dragon Complete Guide – Type, Buff, Enhance
Thank you for all your help. About the siege machine, when it breaks, it’s out of control, isn’t it? If I have to spend gems to fix it, should I dismiss it? Will the number of soldiers be reduced as well? Please let me know.
What do you think of Joseph Johnston as a siege reinforcement general compared to Grant or Ramsses? I believe the “in city” buffs apply when you are reinforcing another player, so that might prevent the need for a specific reinforcing siege general?
The in-city buffs themselves work when reinforcing another player’s castle, but Joseph’s skill does not work when reinforcing, because it has the proviso that he is “the Main City Defense General”.
Reference: Buff / Debuff – Basic Guide
Can you please comment on Isabella 3rd speciality. When does it apply
I have several of these siege generals in my items. At what keep level does one need to start developing a siege general and building lots of siege troops? Right now I have built just enough to level my generals and for gathering load.
I already have a Mattias but I intend to unlock only three specialties. Is Ulysses Grant still preferable under these circumstances?
Napoleon’s skills must have changed. His base is no longer +10 siege attack.
He adds +10 attack to all troops, +20 to siege attack, and can add a +25 skill book.
His specialties add another +20 siege attack and +22 to all troops attack.
No, it hasn’t changed; what you are looking at is the ranking of reinforcements.
Hallo, wie sieht es mit dem General Dimitri aus? er ist in general der sein buff für verstärkung hat
> Hello, what about the general Dimitri? he is in general who has his buff for reinforcement
Dmitry is not a specialist in siege machines, but in ranged troops.
He is evaluated in the following article.
Best of Ranged PvP General
I couldn’t get Khalid to add the siege machine attack skill
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For Khalid, the Siege Machine Attack skillbook can only be used at Lv4, not at Lv1-3. ( I have tested )
Thank you for such a detailed and easy to read article
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It’s very helpful to know about general and equipment creation!
I would be very happy if you could write about layered composition when you have free time.
Thank you.
Just for curiosity, is siege even worth building??
I ask because I have been told that range is best against other players, and mounted are best against bosses, but what are siege best for??
Thanks in advance!!
I think it is worth building.
I think the first area of strength is defensive battles.
It is not uncommon for big high-level players to build more siege weapons for defense than any other type of troops.
Siege machines tend to be strong against ranged troops and weak against mounted and ground troops.
(See this article for more info: Troop Type Guide: Usage & Characteristics (Mounted, Ground, Ranged, Siege))
If a player is an intermediate player or above, siege machines can be an effective counter since many players attack with ranged troops.
However, since the attack value is low, you will need to have a large number of units.
Buffs and debuffs are also important. Of course, if these are weak, you will lose.
It can also be used for attacking, but due to the limitation of the March size, it does not have enough firepower, and it is not uncommon for it to be ineffective when the enemy is a high-level big player.
However, if the enemy has a lot of low level troops, I have the impression that even a small number of siege machines can be useful.
I think the answer to P’s question below is also helpful, so please have a look at that too.
Hi, thank you for all the information, i learn a lot thanks to you.
I have a question, why people don’t use seige machine, but players usually prefer use archers or ground in PvP? I see many times that people prefer to use ground for kill ranged troops, instead of seige.
And i listen rumor that seige are stronger in defense than the offense, is it true?
The reason why many people use ranged troops is because many beginners in PvP use mounted troops.
Also, I think it is the most versatile troops in PvP because it can compete with other types of troops, though only if you increase the buffs enough.
People who use ground troops are advanced players, and it’s to take down range troops players like the ones mentioned above.
Siege machines are also strong against ranged troops, but tend to be weak against mounted and ground troops.
Ground troops can fight decently against three types of troops: ranged troops, ground troops, and siege machines, but siege machines can only fight two types: ranged troops and siege machines.
In other words, in terms of versatility, ground troops are better than siege machines.
I think this is one of the reasons why people prefer ground troops to siege machines.
Also, siege machines have a low attack value, so you need to have a large number of them to be able to effectively damage the enemy.
If you don’t have enough of them, the enemy will get close to you before you can destroy them, and you will be beaten.
The biggest obstacle in attack is the limitation of march size.
This is not the case in defense.
Therefore, rather than saying that
“siege machines are stronger in defense than in offense”,
it is more accurate to say that
“siege machines are better at making up for their weaknesses in defense than in offense”.
In other words.
In the case of attack, because of the upper limit of damage by March size, siege machines cannot play an active role depending on the enemy.
In the case of defense, since there is no upper limit of damage by march size, siege machines can be relatively active. (In fact, it can be the strongest type of troops that can deal heavy damage unilaterally.
I think we can say that.
(Note: The above is based on the assumption that you and the enemy have the same level of troops and buffs. If the enemy’s level is low, you can defeat many enemies even if your numbers are low.)
Related : Troop Type Guide: Usage & Characteristics (Mounted, Ground, Ranged, Siege)
What should I think about the extended range skill for siege machines?
Also, if I choose to extend the range, which of the other two skills should I choose?
Please see the following article for an explanation.
Best Skills Guide – what skills should you add?
So, I have one question… isn’t Matthias better than Grant if you don’t have a Pasture dragon available?
Yes. In that case, Marchese I is better.
I’ve been waiting for your article on siege machines! Thank you very much!
Compared to attacking with ranged troops, the firepower is reduced, but I believe the range is wider = more attacks. However, in order to take advantage of the higher number of attacks, is it better to add a little bit of each level of mounted and ranged troops as well as ground troops to form a unit that can stop the opponent for as long as possible?
Thank you for everything.
We all in the alliance are watching this!
I don’t see many discussions on siege weapon generals, so this was very helpful!
I’m looking forward to your article on Battle of Chalons.
General Simeon, can you set up a Siege General?
If you are organizing a unit that specializes in siege machines, the above general is a better choice.
If you have an organization of about 80% archers + 20% siege machines, he is excellent.
See below for details.
Best of Ranged PvP General