[OC] Turns out it is mostly the unvaccinated dying: CDC COVID Data
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The CDC obviously has access to this same info, which might explain their more lax rules as of late.
They’ll never say it aloud, but it really seems like they’ve reached the mentality of “if you want to die, we’re tired of trying to stop you.”
The problem with that approach is that if your hospital beds are filled with unvaccinated people, other people in need of a medical treatment won't be able to access it in time. And the alternative of refusing to provide care to a human being for whatever reason is inhumane.
The problem is that they are not just killing themselves. They are overburdening the hospitals, causing stress for healthcare workers and delayed healthcare and resulting deaths for others. And they are a breeding ground for new variants, which will inevitably arise and kill yet more people (potentially huge numbers of people).
It's been said many times now, but COVID is now a pandemic disease of the unvaccinated.
Even if the unvaccinated deserves it, that's not a good stance. There's still the issue of long covid, which is not looked into here, and the case of overcrowded hospitals, which will and is harming those who are already vaccinated but might need those beds for other things than covid. And on top of that it also fucks over the nurses and doctors, who are already understaffed and overworked.
If the CDC truly has that stance, they are as dumb as the average citizen.
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As someone who lives in Seattle I appreciate the “or a raincoat” ain’t no way I’m carrying an umbrella haha
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Took me a moment to understand exactly how to read it, but once I did, yeah. This is really well done and cleverly illustrated.
I agree the facets make it damn effective, let's you quickly and easily compare across many categories.
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I'm a little confused at the trending over time. Is the chart showing in later months vaccinated people are impacted more and unvaccinatee less? Why are the trends going up to the right?
Sorry, not sure why im not getting it?
Edit: Ok maybe because more people are getting vaccinated and it skews the numbers as time passes. Is that it?
The increase in the numbers dont seem to correlate with the increased amount of people having the vaccination, so I don't think it's that (for example when looking at the 80+ graphs).
My guess its that the effect of the vaccination wears off little by little and thats why booster shots are needed, but this is just my guess. I just got the third dose in Finland.
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This data is very well presented. It took me a minute to figure out what was what but it made sense and was useful when I got it
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Tools: Python
Data: CDC
I'm not sure how, but there are still people out there claiming COVID vaccines are ineffective.
For the rest of us, the CDC has a dataset on COVID infections and deaths by vaccine status assembled from 26 different states representing 60% of the US population and split by age group. Unfortunately the data only extends to the end of October at the moment (it is updated monthly with quite some delay) and therefore doesn't have the Omicron variant in it yet. Still, the numbers are staggering, especially for the younger age groups.
The 'less likely to die' text on the right is normalized to the total vaccinated/unvaccinated population and therefore represents the combined probability of both catching and succumbing to the coronavirus.
Stay safe out there folks.
Does vaccinated here mean completely vaccinated or partially vaccinated are included too?
Fantastic visualization! Any idea why the CDC data stops in November? Is it just processing time? It would be fascinating to see the impact of the omicron variant on the effectiveness of vaccinated becoming symptomatic and also the claim that it’s more mild and how that affects the ratio of deaths.
Thanks, that’s a good visualization.
The takeaway for me with 80+ parents is that despite their vaccination, 80+ have a nearly 50-50 split with the cases and quite a bit of death among vaccinated.
Shout-out for putting the source link on the graphic. Everybody follow this example pleeeeeeaase 🙌
There's alot of it in the comments already, but I wanted to throw in my appreciation for this visualization too. Very effective once I figured how to read it!
When it comes to the ineffectiveness comment.
What people are usually justifying their statements with is saying something like “you can still get Covid with the vaccine so why should I get vaccinated?”
This is clearly true but they’re missing the point that. IF they get Covid, without being vaccinated, their symptom severity and possible death rate is substantially increased. (As shown in the graphics)
I partially blame CDC for not positioning vaccines as a severity reducer instead of a immunization so people can stop arguing about what’s true or not and just get the damn thing to save yourself and others from dealing with your death.
Currently studying statistics for my Pschology Major, could you tell a newbie what the name of this specific graph is?
It's cDc dAtA sEt. ThEy TaiLoReD tHe DaTa. Blahblahbalhahahahaha
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Interesting how vaccination rates correlates with age, assuming it's mostly driven by skepticism/belief in the medicine. I'm betting old people still remember all the horrible diseases like smallpox and polio that existed in a pre-vaccination world not that long ago.
I would assume it is because of the relatively low risk of severe disease in younger demographics. Less risk/reward pay-off in young and healthy people, particularly when information about complications was still emerging.
Young people
- think they're immortal
- have a much lower risk of severe illness or death than older people
- are more likely to be working (and have less time)
- are poorer
- are more likely to be in a minority group
All of those factors make someone less likely to get a vaccine.
Didn't your governments make it available to the oldest first too?
I'm an Aussie and my age bracket was getting criticised for not getting vaccinated when we weren't eligible for it... I'm 30 and 60 year olds could get it months before I could
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Definitely saving this because this conversation comes up all.....the.....time and there's always the guy who knows a vaccinated person that died.
They data has been out there for awhile. Takes a little digging on the CDC's website though. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
This is the problem I have:
“CDC data say ‘XYZ.’”
“Actually, the CDC data say ‘ABC.’”
“We’ll you can’t trust the CDC data. Fauci should be in jail. The vaccine is just a way for the government to listen to us. And for Bill Gates to get rich selling vaccines. And for Jeff Bezos to sell Prime memberships.”
I’ve heard people in my own family tell me each of those things.
I think the tracker on the NYT has a simpler graphic: https://i.imgur.com/5peeToA.jpg.
Unvaccinated are 5x as likely to get Covid and 13x as likely to die from Covid. I just wish it further separated people with booster shots.
My (unvaccinated) mother was telling me she tested positive for COVID, but that she's not doing too bad. When I asked if she was vaccinated, she said no, but that my uncle was vaccinated and he's congested with no taste or smell.
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"smell my breath science nerd we are drinking pee now" - the dumbest timeline.
it keeps getting dumber: the new hot treatment for COVID is testosterone blockers: https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/fox8-fact-check-no-blocking-male-hormones-is-not-a-legitimate-treatment-for-covid-19/amp/
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I think the vast majority of deaths have involved at least one other comorbidity. I can't remember the exact statistic, but I think it was 6% have no other underlying health issues?
However, these other conditions can be worsened by COVID infection, so it is difficult to pinpoint exact numbers on how many are with COVID opposed to from COVID. I'd suggest looking at excess deaths as a more accurate estimate of deaths caused by COVID.
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u/faulerauslaender, maybe I’m being stupid but could you please help me with the oldest age group. It shows that about the same number of vaccinated and unvaccinated have been dying recently. But the number of vaccinated exceed the number of unvaccinated by like 20 fold. Wouldn’t that mean that a vaccine increase your chance of death by 20 times if you’re 80+? Again I think I’m confused as that conclusion doesn’t make sense. Maybe the last column was supposed to percent of cases that died instead of just percent of all deaths
It's an understandable mistake to make, since the rightmost column is a moving proportion of another moving proportion. In the 80+ row there are roughly even numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated people dying at the end of the timeframe, but there are also about five or six times as many vaccinated people as unvaccinated. As such, if both groups are seeing roughly the same absolute numbers of deaths, the unvaccinated must be dying at a far higher rate.
To illustrate it, let's imagine a group of 100 people. 80 of those people are vaccinated, 20 are not. Of the vaccinated group, 15 get covid and 5 die from it. Of the unvaccinated group, 10 get covid and 5 die from it.
In all, that means that you'd see the vaccinated making up 60% of the cases and 50% of the death. However, to reach those proportions, only about 20% of the vaccinated population caught covid, whereas 50% of the unvaccinated population caught it. Similarly, of the vaccinated that caught covid, only a third died; in the unvaccinated group, half of those that caught it died.
Now obviously these numbers are made up, but they do roughly line up with what is shown on the graph. In short, the end numbers are roughly even simy because there are so many more vaccinated people in that age group.
It's the opposite. Say you have 100 people and 10 died: 5 vaccinated and 5 unvaccinated, so half:half.
According to the left-most plot, your original hundred people had like 85 vaccinated and 15 unvaccinated. So even if the end group was 50:50, the chances of a given vaccinated person dying are much lower than that of a single unvaccinated person.
Def took me a minute to see that each data point was paired to vax and unvax and added up to 100%. The youngest cohort deaths is NUTS.
Pretty sure the vaccine saved my grandpa no joke blessed to see him back home from the hospital smiling :)
There are 2 lines that add to 100%. The vaccinated share of that 100% is the top line, the unvaccinated share is the bottom line. The dotted line just shows 0%.
This distance between the lines will remain constant because the 2 lines always adds to 100%.
You can see that in 18-29 share of deaths, almost the entire area is under the dotted line, showing that the unvaccinated are responsible for nearly all deaths in that age group at this time interval, for example. (Ie, the bottom line is nearly 100% on the y axis for each month)
I have a degree in math and have worked as an actuary for 22 years. I have no idea what this chart is showing.
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"They're faking the data" is the response you get, no matter what you show the people who need to see it. Not sure how to address that one.
That will always be the response unless it fits their narrative unfortunately.
Americans will have to come to terms with their unhealthy lifestyle. According to the CDC 75% of vaccinated* Americans dying from COVID have 4 or more comobiditties.
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Yeah it would. Unfortunately the dataset this is based on is super slow to update. The numbers are only released monthly and the next release will only go up to last November.
The New York times had an interesting article with preliminary data from NYC (paywall, unfortunately).
They would count as unvaccinated wouldn't they? Its not supposed to be an opinion poll.
As a vaccinated 29 year old, maybe I should be hoping I catch Omicron now before I turn 30 in a few weeks.
Apparently I jump from 55x less likely to die, to only 27x less likely to die.
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Colour me surprised: people not taking prevention towards a deadly disease succumb to the deadly disease? What's next?
Can you make one that doesn’t say “stupidity” so I can share it with my idiot unvax family and friends? Also is there any way to add a separate chart as a “page 2” with total vax/cases/deaths with a more traditional line graph to help add context? For example I have no ideas how many kids died of COVID. You did a good job with this. You included a ton of information that is easy to understand and compare once you get over the learning curve. It’s not every day I see a new presentation style that works.
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Delta was both more infectious and more deadly than the original variant. Omicron is much more infectious but appears to be less deadly than the original. If you're going to look at case fatality you should seperate the cases by variant.
Speculation from my side, but case fatality is dependent on people getting tested right? Might be unvaccinated with mild symptoms are less prone to get tested thus “decreasing” the the tots amount of cases while the total amount of deaths stays similar. Or it could mean a new variant is more dangerous.
Does it coincide with the delta variant? Though i think if I just divide deaths by cases that group never goes about 1%, even for unvaccinated.
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But if you compare it relatively, of course the ratios would be big, but what would happen if you compare it in absolute terms.
For example:
If the probability for death(in absolute terms) from covid was only at 0.8 percent, but with the vaccine your death rate was at 0.01 percent, if you compare it relatively to each other, you get huge gains in the "efficacy" of the vaccine, compared to the group who was not vaccinated.
I think the position of most "anti-vaxxers" are that the vaccine isn't needed in the first place because their theory is that death from covid is an extremely low probable event and it's the 3+ co-morbidities that kill you.
Also I think the unvaccinated are more worried about long term health effects from the vaccine more so than the death of covid.
And don't you think it's strange that the age group LEAST likely do die from the virus has the highest gains in vaccine efficacy? <- this doesn't make intuitive sense to me, (maybe i'm just dumb).
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
reducing the likelihood of death from .8 to .01 is literally the point of the vaccine. that’s a statistically significant reduction.
Remember that 1% isn’t just for one person. It’s for everyone. One percent chance of you dying is a risk you’re willing to take? OK. But multiply that times everyone who gets covid. That’s a lot of sick people taking up hospital beds and resources (and increasing the risk that others don’t get the treatment they need).
We also don’t know the long-term impacts of covid. Being scared of the long-term impacts of the vax but not the disease itself is nonsensical.
So this graph has a lot of data in it with little explanation. How is anyone unvaccinated supposed to understand this to hopefully make a change? This is a dead serious question. If they are not able to subjectively reason that the vaccine is good and safe instead of Qanon 5G devil juice how can they understand this graph?
A statistician would disagree with postulating a "vaccine effect" indicated in your graphic based on this data or even calling people who die unvaccinated "stupid". There might be many reasons, why unvaccinated people might die more frequently after getting infected with covid:
. Terminally ill patients don't get vaccinated
. People with certain autoimmune diseases don't get vaccinated
. People awaiting an organ transplant (and taking immune suppressant) cannot be vaccinated
. Generally people with acute serious health problems might not get vaccinated in order to prevent further stress on the immune system or since a proper immune answer at the current state is unlikely.
. People with a more reckless lifestyle might refuse vaccination and (independently) have a higher risk of dying (drug abuse,...)
. Poorer/less educated people might get vaccinated later and thus have a higher chance to die unvaccinated (and are also less healthy)
The high "vaccine effects" might at least partially result from the fact, that some people already at risk of dying are not vaccinated (often for very good medical reasons). Thus "being vaccinated" is already a selection process of people with a good overall health status.
Generally it is hard to really prove effects. Take for example a worldwide study finding that "people who speak Swedish have a higher chance to survive a car accident than the word's average". This has nothing to do with the language but the region you live in (Sweden vs. poor countries) and starting to speak Swedish will not (!!) improve your survival chances.
Sure, there could be some minor effects from factors like these, but you need some serious citations, here, because a lot of your claims are simply wrong.
- Terminally ill people have been widely vaccinated. They have high exposure profiles and they often feel pressure to get vaccinated so they can spend their remaining time with friends and family.
- The vast majority of immunocompromised individuals can be safely vaccinated, and they have done so at higher rates than the general public (getting vaccinated and boosted is often a matter of life and death for them, so they take it seriously).
- People awaiting organ transplants can be safely vaccinated. In fact, many places require vaccinations for people waiting for transplants.
- This is unlikely to be true. Unhealthy people, overall, seem to be more likely to get vaccinated because they know their risk is higher.
- This is the first example that at least gets its basic facts straight. However, most COVID reporting these days only counts deaths in which COVID was listed as a cause of death (or in which no other cause was provided). If someone is diagnosed with COVID and then dies in a skydiving accident, that would not be considered a COVID death. So this point is largely irrelevant. It might be true that unvaccinated people are also more likely to go to a large gathering without a mask, but to the extent that that means the vaccines are not causing the effect, it would suggest that prevention measures are. If that's a trade-off you're worried about, I'll take it.
- This is the only correct and potentially relevant concern in your list: poor and uneducated people get vaccinated later and at lower rates. They are also less healthy, on average. Fortunately, we know the size of this disparity, and it has diminished over time. Meanwhile, the apparent benefit of the vaccine has increased, suggesting that the vaccination behavior of poor people explains little about the benefits of being vaccinated.
As someone with Cryptogenic Autoimmune Hep that is currently on immunosuppressants who spoke with my doctor that we are actively MORE encouraged to get vaccines due to a higher risk of more severe effects of getting sick. I'm not quite sure where you're getting that we shouldn't.
Perhaps you're thinking that we have a slightly weaker overall immune response to vaccines, but for the most part there is still some immune response, albeit possibly muted and would then provide some protection. A quick search says that most autoimmune problems are perfectly fine with vaccinations. I'm curious which ones aren't supposed to get them actually.
That's a valid point, but it's rather against the precision of the data, not the effect. I haven't done proper studies, it's not based on any certainty measures, but still, differences seem to be overwhelming.
Just one point - my dad is a recent organ transplant recipient and is currently taking lots of immune suppressants. He got a whooping 5 doses of mRNA vaccine (which is deemed safe for people with immune deficiency), all spaced 2+ months apart.
Just yesterday he got tested for antibodies and his IgG spike protein is through the roof. So he's immunized now. I know the research is not super clear on that, but this is just an anecdote I want to add to the conversation because we as a family and his doctors kept trying and finally just saw results.
You would be right if the data shown total deaths from all causes. But it is for deaths related to covid 19.
This is nonsense, UK specifically tracks immune-compromised individuals, and they are like 95% vaccinated.
It's quite the opposite of your claim, the most likely groups to die (very frail/very old) are much more vaccinated than the least likely groups to die (young people), skewing data unless you adjust for age.
How are you even this upvoted ? You posted some pseudo intellectual bullshit with no relation to reality
Generally it is hard to really prove effects. Take for example a worldwide study finding that "people who speak Swedish have a higher chance to survive a car accident than the word's average". This has nothing to do with the language but the region you live in (Sweden vs. poor countries) and starting to speak Swedish will not (!!) improve your survival chances.
Absolute nonsense drivel that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Something about correlation and causation.
I know it’s nuanced, but I would be interested in seeing if the data actually suggest that those dying are unvaccinated or those living are vaccinated. Or maybe both. Not a statistician.
Edit: would love to see raw numbers shown as well.
Ignoring or including or separating the unvaccinated who haven't made a choice because medical problems preclude vaccinations doesn't eliminate the reasonability of calling chosen unvaccinated people stupid. The data still shows that unvaccinated people are more vulnerable to severe illness and death, irrespective of whether they didn't vaccinate because of silly politics or because their bodies couldn't handle it. That means it's perfectly reasonable to call anybody who can be vaccinated but chooses not to stupid. We can't be sure, since the stats don't separate reasons for not getting vaccinated, how many of these people are idiots, but we can be sure some of them are both stupid and stubborn, and that they're endangering the lives of the people who can't get vaccinated.
Thank you for being one of the few people with the attention span and critical thinking skills to read past the scary graphs and offer some original thought, even though it’s a taboo thing to do these days.
And sorry for everyone that is going to shit on you for presenting a non-curated, non-sponsored point of view that they feel threatened by.
Yea it’s very hard to take graphs seriously when it is titled in subjective words. Thank you for your insight. I hope everyone who can gets vaccinated so we can help the ones that can’t
Generally it is hard to really prove effects.
What they would need to do is take a representative sample of people and randomize them into two groups: one that gets the vaccine and the other that doesn't. Then they could track those two groups and see if they get/die from COVID at different rates.
We should suggest this to the CDC.
That's a nice post and all but the majority of the unvaccinated are republicans who buy into conspiracies and thus can be easily labeled as "stupid"
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Now this is some beautiful shit!
Is there a name for this type of vis? My best attempt to explain is change in a dichotomous variable over time for a fixed population. Very interesting way to visualize the data, OP!
I'd be very curious to see children v. adults. Or all adults together. Or 18-40.
Seriously, very cool! I'd love to slice this a million ways :)
Love the figure. What classifies as Vaccinated? One time, two times, two times or more or only boostered? I assume it is two times and more, but I just want to be sure.
If they could only do it peacefully at home, everything would be okay.
Fuck me this thing looks super bad for oldies…. I already knew that, but the jab only giving you 6x the protection of the unvaccinated….. go away please COVID I don’t won’t to die like that in 40ish years
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I would like to see the percentage of unvaccinated of the people who understand this graphic. (Sry for my bad English, don’t know if this is the right wording). I guess this number is very low. I think there are not many out there who you can convince to get vaccinated with that chart.
Which country please? I want to save this chart for all my antivax friends/family
Is this data based on, we don't count you as fully vaccinated until 14 your second/third jab?
Yes, which includes everyone going to the hospital for any reason at all and coming up positive at any point in the hospital stay (everyone gets tested upon admission and frequently while present in the hospital) and/or dying within X amount of days within testing positive, regardless of actual cause of death.
I think your chart is powerful but is undercut by your wording. Calling it a case of terminal stupidity is vaccine shaming which is generally recognized in public health as an ineffective way to to persuade people to do anything. Saying someone is stupid just causes them to become defense and cling to their beliefs even more. If your purpose was to reinforce people's beliefs (both vax and unvax) you did a good job.
At this point if people still refuse to get vaccinated, then they've made their choice. Let them risk it if they want to, I don't care anymore
I'm not trying to persuade anyone. If someone is not convinced by the data out there, then they are stupid and we can make fun of them now.
At this point the way to handle it is just to stop treating them like adults. There's only so long you need to entertain a child throwing a tantrum.
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Other people are dying because hospitals are overloaded to the point of entire state networks being shutdown though… these people aren’t only burdening themselves
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Sure, but relative risk reduction is not as meaningful when absolute risk is very low.
If you are young, its unlikely you are vulnerable without you knowing it. Individual risk assessment is easy, where old people can die from most things.
Maybe I'm just not used to this style but I can't make heads or tails of it either. I can see it's over time per section but then the percentages go in reverse from the dotted line so it's... Inverted from the dotted line with a positive scale on both directions... Or?
Excellent data, it is disingenuous because all three columns represent a pretty dramatically different population but they're being presented as related - especially for the youngest age group (Ages 18-29).
Population aged 18-29, USA: 53.3 million (best source I could find)
COVID cases in 18-29: 10.4 million (best source I could find)
COVID deaths in 18-29: 5,119 (source)
Your presentation also conveniently cuts off right around when Omicron hits, which both dramatically increases the share of cases in vaccinated individuals and lowers the deaths per case (so far - way too early to see still, since deaths lag so far behind cases).
There are great arguments for getting your vaccine - this graphic does not make such an argument makes a good argument for the efficacy of vaccines, but does not make a compelling argument to a skeptic (edited because it does point out very nicely just how dramatically the danger of Covid is reduced from the vaccines, that is very cool to see laid out like this).
I'll take the downvotes but this is really not beautiful data. Please put aside any politics you may have and pretend this is not about vaccines but something else you don't care about.
Percentages/multipliers without figures is class 101 for convincing the gullible. Newspapers do this kind of thing all the time. Murders increased in YourTown by 100% last year! (they went from 1 to 2). There needs to be some sense of how many each group represents.
Also there is no attempt at regression analysis. All the people dying, may all have had comorbidities that we are not aware of, that was the primary cause of the death.
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I find it fascinating that this trend (being unvaccinated and more at risk of death) is progressively stronger for people in the younger groups i.e. the people who might consider themselves far less at risk of COVID in general. Of course we are most concerned about those over 65, but in an odd twist these seem to be helped the least by being vaccinated. This just seems backwards to me i.e. I would expect the protective effect of the vaccine to appear stronger in the older. I suspect my conclusion is flawed but without diving into the data I can't quite explain why.
Keep in mind that in the oldest age bracket where it looks close to 50/50, you're really dealing with the vast majority of people getting vaccinated. So among a much larger group of vaccinated people, total deaths are almost identical to the smaller ground of unvaccinated people.
You also have a weaker immune system response as you get older. If the vaccine doubles (improvement pulled out of my rear end) the 'strength' of your immune system, but in a relatively large percentage of older people that's not enough to make a difference, then you won't see as much of a difference in survivability. Among younger people, if doubling the strength of the immune response is enough to make fighting off the disease a near-guarantee, then you're going to see a major drop in deaths among the vaccinated.
This does not mean the younger are at more risk because they are “55x more likely to die”. It’s because the death rate is so much lower that each death is singularly more statistically significant and creates a wider rift. The data is telling us here that the older you are, the more likely you are to die regardless because you’re more liable to have underlying conditions. The 18-29 age bracket has:
~10,400,000 million cases
~5100 deaths
They account for 16% of total reported cases but less than 0.6% of all deaths
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CDC actually said that 75% of vaccinated people who die have 4 or more comorbidities.
75% of all deaths from COVID-19 specifically among the vaccinated population.
From that same report: The two most common comorbidities are pneumonia and respiratory failure. Both are a direct result of SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Are you suggesting that only the unvaccinated have the co morbidly factors?
Watching Leftoids become Big Pharma High Priests has been entertaining, to say the least.. XD
Very strong data! Thanks for this one, it's going in the covid folder for future reference
Once I understood how to read it I was mind blown, beautiful data indeed
Don't confuse the issue with scientific facts when this is obviously about personal freedoms. (/s if needed)
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Damn, I mean look at the bright side they get a Darwin award, they are pretty hard to get.
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Goddam it I turn 30 next month, my survival chance will drop by a half!
Who could've guessed!? The thing that is supposed to prevent COVID deaths prevents COVID deaths!
No, the people that died were half vaccinated and half not. But the general population of 80+ year olds is overwhelmingly vaccinated. So a vaccinated person's chance of survival is much higher than an unvaccinated one (six times).
I rea didn't think it was that tough to interpret but exactly that plot seems to confuse a lot of people.
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While the confusion is understandable, we don't know the actual rate of cases in vaccinated or unvaccinated, just the share of outcomes. This is something that arguably would have helped the visual imo.
Suppose there are 100 people age 80+. About 90 of them are vaccinated based on eyeballing the graph, and 10 un-vaccinated. 60% of cases are among the vaccinated and 40% the unvaccinated. This does not mean 54 (90*.6) vaccinated people got covid, just that 60% of cases are in vaccinated people.
So for all we know, there could have been 25 cases, and 40% of them are in the unvaccinated (i.e. all 10 unvaccinated got sick). And of course then 15 vaccinated got sick. So the vaccinated are 60% of cases, but only 15/90 = 16.67% of vaccinated got sick at all.
Same goes with the deaths. If there are 20 deaths, then all 10 unvaccinated people die, but 10/90 = 11% of vaccinated people died. And so on.
The chart doesn’t say “half of people who are vaccinated die”, it says “half of the people who die are vaccinated”.
But far more people are vaccinated than unvaccinated, so this tells us that unvaccinated people are far more likely to die.
Left most plot. Given 100 random 80+ year olds about 85 are vaccinated and 15 are not.
Out of the 85 vaccinated, 5 die. Out of the 15 unvaccinated, 5 die.
Which group would you rather be part of?
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