Assistant Generals Guide
7/21/2022 – updated about glitch.
7/19/2022 – updated “Basic Skill Competitive Table for Assistant”.
7/10/2022 – Significantly updated “Basic Skill Competitive Table for Assistant”.
7/8/2022 – Added note about glitch.
7/4/2022 – Added basic specs, added verification of buffs requiring dragons.
Recommended Assistant Generals Ranking
- Best of Assistant Generals: Ranged PvP
- Others in preparation
Note: Since compatibility between generals is also a consideration, please also refer to the “Basic Skill Competitive Table for Assistant” later in this article.
Basic Specifications
- An assistant can be attached when the main general is at level 20 or higher and the star level is 3 or higher.
- An assistant can be attached to a general on the march and to a defender.
- Only 3 of the assistant’s performance are effective: Basic skill, Skillbook, and Specialty.
| Assistant’s performance | |
|---|---|
| Stats | Disabled |
| Stats (by Ascending) | Disabled |
| Basic Skill | Enabled |
| Basic Skill (by Ascending) | Disabled |
| Skillbook | Enabled |
| Specialty | Enabled |
| Spiritual Beast | Disabled |
| Dragon | Disabled |
| Equipment | Disabled |
- An assistant general’s basic skill and skill books are disabled if they conflict with the main general’s basic skill and skill books.
- Any of the assistant general’s basic skills or specialties whose activation condition is to attach a dragon to the assistant general are
- activated by attaching a dragon to the assistant general (tested).
- not activated by attaching a dragon to the main general (tested).
Glitches currently being found
Very unfortunately, several glitches have been identified and are summarized here to reduce the damage.
- Generals with Double drop rate increases
- Bibars, Theodora, and Cleopatra
- Double drop rate does not increase when set as an assistant.
- I have tested and confirmed the following.
- Using Bibars (skill only, no equipment), 20 normal monsters were killed and the number of double drops was investigated.
- Expected double drop rate is 40% = 25% skill + 15% VIP
- ver. 4.26.2
- When solo: double drop count 8
- -> 40%
- When assistant: double drop count 2
- -> 10%
- When solo: double drop count 8
Shajar al-DurrThe “Food Protected from Troop Upkeep” does not increase when set as an assistant. The trouble is that it is not increasing internally, although it is increasing when looking at the Warehouse detail screen. When the game is restarted, the food will decrease. (If you have more food than the original limit.)- No announcement from Evony team, but it was fixed. I confirmed that it does not occur in ver. 4.26.2.
Generals who increase March SpeedSeleucus I, Huo Qubing, Spartacus, etc.When set as an assistant general, the march time is reduced on the soldier selection screen, but it is not actually reduced. If you look at the march bar in the upper left corner after departure, you will see that it has not decreased.- No announcement from Evony team, but it was fixed. I confirmed that it does not occur in ver. 4.26.2.
There may be more, so if you have any information, I would appreciate it if you could share it with me in the comments section.
Cases in which an assistant general’s basic skills are disabled
- If it conflicts with the main general’s basic skill.
- If the main general has a specific skill book attached.
If it conflicts with the main general’s basic skill
Basically, it seems that those with similar properties and buff values compete with each other.
However, the detailed criteria are not quite clear, so you will have to actually try it to see if it conflicts.
If the main general has a specific skill book attached
For example, in the case of a ground general, if the main general has an ground HP skill book attached, the assistant’s basic skills may be disabled. In this case, changing the main general’s ground HP to another skillbook will enable the assistant’s basic skill.
And this is quite important.
Sometimes the skill book in issue can be made effective if it is attached to an assistant instead of to the main general.
For example, if you want to attach the assistant Trajan to the main general Elise, you should attach the ground HP to Trajan instead of to Elise. This way, both Trajan’s basic skill and the ground HP skill book can be enabled. Attaching ground HP to Elise would disable Trajan’s basic skill.
Basic Skill Competitive Table for Assistant
The following is based on my own research.
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https://evonyguidewiki.com/en/assistant_general-en/
Test result: whether the assistant’s skill that requires a dragon is triggered or not
The description of the assistant in the game states that “Assistant Generals still need to equip dragon to activate corresponding buffs”.
However, even if I attach a dragon to an assistant, the assistant’s dragon icon is grayed out. This makes it hard to tell if it is really triggered or not.
Therefore, I did the following test.
Test date: 7/4/2022 / ver 4.26.2
Change in ranged troops attack buffs with and without dragons
I attacked NPC subordinate citiy and checked the buff value in the battle report.
Basic setting
General’s Ranged Troops Attack Buff
| Main Gen | Assistant (Minamoto) | |
|---|---|---|
| Basic Skill | None | Basic buff +25% Requires dragon +15% Total +40% |
| Skill book | None | None |
| Specialty | None | Basic buff +12% |
Dragon’s Ranged Soldier Attack Buff
- Stats buff: +23%.
- Refine buff: +20%.
- Total: +43%.
* The stats buff is 20% of the dragon’s attack stats. Alternatively, it can be calculated by removing the dragon and taking the difference between the attack values on the general’s cultivation screen.
Buff value on battle report
Comparison with and without assistant general’s dragon
Main General’s Dragon: None
- Assistant General’s Dragon
- With: +611%
- Without: +596%
The difference is 15%. This is consistent with Minamoto no Yoshitsune’s figures for the buffs required by the dragon.
Comparison with and without main general’s dragon
Assistant General’s Dragon: None
- Main General’s Dragon
- With: +639%
- Without: +596%
Difference 43%. Matches the buff value by dragon. Minamoto Yoshitsune’s buffs requiring a dragon did not add up.
Therefore, any of the assistant’s basic skills or specialties that are activated by attaching a dragon to the assistant are activated by attaching a dragon to an assistant general. They are not activated by attaching a dragon to the main general.
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97 Comments
Tomyris + Electra (in any order) need the Attack skillbook attached to Electra.
Since this site is reference material, let’s please update the compatibility table (Pattern B, Ranged).
Thank you for pointing this out. I have corrected it.
I just tested Yi Song Gye as an assistant to Simeon. 35% ranged defense buff was active and showed in the battle report.
Thank you for the effort to share the information. It’s very useful.
Can specialties be greyed out?
Like if I used Elektra with Kaguya assist?
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Now it is stupid question time.
Q) Why are Zachary & Leonidas incompatible as Wall General + Assistant
Thank you for any advice.
I see it greyed out, i just dont understand why when there is no real obvious conflict. Other generals are almost exactly the same as Zach and yet are compatible ……
Would black prince pair with moto ? He had a high value given book?
put a dragon on Simeon and secondary minamoto. watch what happens to your attack buff before and after. i used my purple dragon on minimoto. then put my level 10 Pegasus on Octavius to make it up
I gave Zachary Taylor and Leo III on my wall, works fine.
Gnarr works as a sub to Elektra.
Hi great article! Just trying Trajan as main and Epaminondas as assistant and In this combo Epaminondas main skill is not allowed. This is different to what your spreadsheet suggests. Just thought you ought to know!
Sun-Sin works pretty good with Marshal on wall, I set him with ground skills including speed and improve the defence quite a lot. Kaguya with dragon is assisted by runed Simeon, his main skill doesn’t work but for me is the best pair till getting duplicate for ascending him
How about John Buford as an assistant for monster hunting?
In addition to the unique skill mounted troops monster attack +30%, you can add mounted troops monster attack lvl 4 +45%.
Do we know whether or not equipping the assistant general makes any difference?
Doesn’t.
Is the debuff effect of the assistant general working ??
Yes. I verified this with Elizabeth as an assistant.
Hey, sorry dont find how to Post seperate comment. Setting Amir as Assistant Gen doesnt seem to Work. Tried it looting a Farm a few days ago, troop load shown Changes, but looted amount actually doesnt. Seems similar to marchsize.
Appreciate your efforts and valuable info.
Another good choice for a non premium Mounted assistant general seems to be Yue Fei and works well with Roland. Would request you to add him to your list.
Thanks.
Thanks for the info!
I updated the table.
Thanks a lot for all the hard work. Seems that Hannibal and Basil don’t pair
Thanks for the info!
Leo 3 works as AG with Marshall.
Cheers
Thank you!
I am always looking for your reference. Thank you. The general who will be an assistant general, it seems that only skills and specialties are effective, so if I don’t consider specialties, is it ok if I don’t level up, enhance, etc.?
Level to 25, cultivation isn’t useful for assistant generals. Only specialty and skill books give benefit.
Anyone now finding they cant pair another general when sending a luck based one to rallies? I cannot send anyone to accompany Baibars or Theo
Oda and Leo 3 don’t work either way around.
Just to let you know. Dewey and Tran, main skill is enabled. It seems to have no conflict. If it’s really adding the buff I don’t know yet.
John Buford complaints for “attack against Monsters”,,,both with Baibars and Hannibal
For gathering, the recommendation has always been kings gear until on the tile, then switch to champions gear. But I wonder with the AG feature, if one carries champions gear, the other kings, if we get the best of both worlds without the gear swap. I’m in SvS or i’d test it myself. Gotta stay off those tiles!
To answer your question: the mail specifically said attributes of assistant’s gear do not take effect.
Can we attach Elise with Margaret ?
Use trajan with Elise ground troop speed ground troop attack and ground troop defense books on Elise
Ground troop hp March size and seige machine range bonus books on trajan this Best combination for ground PvP
Using Leo III with Yi Sun Sin does not work. It claims that they have the same primary skill but it’s not even close. Evony is hating on Yi and Dmtry pretty heavily. I have both.
I am finding that Li Jing (full dragon armor) works very well with Sanada Yukimura (full kings armor) as the AG in running rallies on monsters. Sanada’s debuff skill dropped the number of troops needed for 0 wounds by almost 100k. Hernando Cortes is another good one for AG, but his monster debuff has a smaller percentage. For those interested in monster killing, I can highly recommend using a general with a monster reducing skill. LOVE the fact I’m spending more time rallying than healing in the hospital.
Another thing I tested was leveling up a general by using as AG. This works well & is much faster than assigning to sub-city mayor. In one day of rallies, I had a brand new general go from lv1 to lv11 so I’m pretty sure the AG does get General EXP along with the main.
For a greater debuff, max Yukimura’s first specialty. I keep him with 4 dragon gear and 2 generals gear in a sub city for soloing, and use him as AG to Hannibal on big monster rallies (B16, Hydra 4, etc)
When “luck” is on secondary generals in specialties (like Theodora or Aethelflaed), or on skill books… there are glitches… I can run a combo of 101% double drop and get ~50%. It’s impossible to tell exactly how broken this is, but luck is very broken when in assistant general slot. Sometimes it will work as intended… with Theodora and Aethelflaed it often will not
Is this a glitch due to the addition of the assistant function?
It seems that only the assistant remains in the castle after the rally recruitment is over and they depart.
If we adjust the timing of the rally implementation, Nathaniel Green will be very active.
What about defense generals. I can’t tell if Leo III and William Marshall will work together. Both their skills are designated for “Main city” defense general.
Leo III works with Leonidas, Epaminondas, Robert the Bruce, Trajan, William Marshal.
Does not work with Oda Oichi.
Others were not tested.
Princess Kaguya is incompatible with Tomyris (whoever is main general or assistant, special skill stays greyed out).
Main: Elektra
Assistant: Kaguya (Ascend +1)
The +15% defense and +10% HP of the Ascend 1 was effective.
Thanks for the info!
Tapping on a grayed out assistant’s disabled skill will show the reason for the disablement. I hope this is helpful.
elektra + simeon: when simeon doesn’t have a dragon, i get +20% archer attack, and +20% siege attack. i’m makimg a second dragon for simeon, so i try him with a dragon. has anybody tried that pair when bith elektra and simeon have a dragon? i wonder if his +15% archer attack when general carries any dragon, will be effective. there may be a conflict with elektra’s 20% archer attack, when carrying any dragon, or with her level 4 attack skill. thanks.
When an army starts marching, its assistants can join another army. (glitch?)
This allows one theodora to join two marches.
Hello.
Well I tried attaching a sacred dragon to Isabella, to get the 10% march buff, it did not work when she was an assistant, the buff only cgi aged when she was the main general.
So perhaps it only works with some generals.
Asistan generallerde ejderha ve ekipman işe yaramıyor
Scipio and Epaminodas = match made in heaven.
Not really. Can’t add ground attack and you will see scipio trajan is better match. By 10 or 15%.
Takeda could work in a pinch too with Scipio, but it’s really not 100% optimal. It does work, however, if necessary; and you can at least get the benefit of ground troop speed and defense books if you put them on Takeda as the assistant.
Also, what about a Martinus and Maximilian combination?
Basil is a good match for Scipio. Many of our all-star members use this.
Hello, thank you for all the useful information.
I was able to put Shingen Takeda as an assistant of Scipio with his main skill effective.
I can confirm that all troop buffs on a special skill work with specific troop buffs. Raged King’s 10% attack can work with anyone that doesn’t have an all troop buff.
Please add a monster hunters section. I’m curious on if Theo + Baibars works or Baibars + Spartacus. Thanks!
Theo and Baibars does not work together. I tried. Their special skill is too similar, so the assist general’s skill is greyed out.
Never tried Baibars and Spart, but their special skills should stack (their skills do different things), unless there’s some kind of issue with skill books that were put on them.
What about the debuff skills of the assistant general ?
Hi, Love your guide and reference it frequently. One thing I noticed in the email the game sent and was testing was the fact that the ascension attributes will not work on the assistant general but all of their specialties will work. What I think this will mean is you have the opportunity to ascend a easier to obtain general such as Elektra and have Alfred (who cannot ascend at this time) or Princess Kaguya (who is new and hard to get copies) as the assistant with maxed out specialties. What do you think about the possibilities of this?
P.S. I am totally cool if you don’t post this but just want to hear your thoughts.
Hello
Good article, I have put my generals into defence then added the assistant to see what skills work and what are ruled out, it tells you when you do that.
The question I have is does the armour work on the assistant, it does not seem to, as an example I added a ring to the assistant for an extended march, it did not work, it worked only when it was an actual skill book and the main general did not have one already attached.
But maybe Achaemenidae armour works ? I would like to know this question, if the armour is useless on the assistant it can go into the sub cities or on other generals instead.
According to the email, the equipment does not work. The assistant general goes into war naked. As the Miser said, they’re putting the ass into assistant.
Il est écrit que vous n’avez pas besoin d’armure
Lysander’s main skill works as an assistant for Martinus, just FYI
Spartacus seems to compete with Monster March Speed. He does not seem to compete with normal march speed.
It is likely that the Purple General will be reevaluated as an assistant since there are others like Spartacus and Barca.
If a dragon is attached to the assistant, is accounted for all its buffs (or onle enables the pre-requisites for the assistant) ?
Only the ones for the assistant are enabled. It’s an expensive use of a dragon unless you have many.
Guys, the skills and specialties of the assistant have to be different or of greater quality than the Main general if you want to get the benefits of both generals. In effect, an assistant is a compliment to the main and is designed to cover the weaknesses or improve the overall effects.
Now you can send a powerful Ground or Archer Rally with Siege by adding a strong siege general as an assistant. The skills and specialties should compliment or be different from the Main. A duplicate skill or a skill of less percentage will not take effect.
Forget everything posted prior to the fix. But one thing that remained unchanged by the fix was that both the general and the Assistant General get the full General Exp from a PvE rally. I verified this via testing. Thus, if you send along a new general as the assistant to a rally, you can level them up fairly quickly.
Until the mid 20s, at which time generals stop leveling even reasonably efficiently from PVE.
It’s such an unimportant way to level generals anyway. Use sub city bashing or put them in a sub in BoC/BoG.
I was using a sub city to level a general and an assistant and both generals received the full general experience. Great way to level two generals at once. Hope Evony doesn’t change this feature.
As I thought, it has been fixed. It was a broken strength.
It was crazy that there were zero injuries in B16 when there used to be injuries in B15…
They nerfed it already. Yesterday was killing up to B15, with no wounds, today a Witch 4 gave me wounds, with same march I sent yesterday. It was too good to be true.
Assistant is bullshit strong.
As admin says, it will eventually be revised downward.
Roland L32 power 3.3M T13 mounted troops 1.25 million. Ymir3 wounded soldiers 12,000 to 0
L10 Nathaniel Green for stamina reduction.
The results of the test to see how far we can go with 0 wounded soldiers.
Fafnir, Cerberus2, and Bayard2 were reduced to 0.
Furthermore, my friend (Castle K30) had 80,000 mounted troops in T11 and 700 wounded in Cerberus1.
Let’s all test things out. Before it is fixed.
Notations as “…when leading the army” or “…when is the Defense General” are allowed for assistants?
or, this kind of wording renders the general unsuitable for assistant?
i tested with shajar as a AG, her skill is still active, so i think it’s allowed
Assistant is still considered as leading from my observations.
Note. Debuff gens do work as an assist to carry over debuff it seems. Tested this on an unoccupied gold sub. Definite wounded difference with and without debuff gen (debuff gen was not skilled for test, was a Cnut the Great).
Use a 600k siege march with Siege Monarchy gear for Gold Subs. This will guarantee 0 wounded regardless of what general you send.
200-400k T13
400-200k T12
You can also use T11 but make sure you send 600k total siege machines.
Are the buffs/debuffs of Assistant’s equipment not reflected?
t12 mounted troops 420.000
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I have now defeated the kamaitachi without wounding.
The assistant system is broken
how about Hannibal + Maximilian 1 I checked. It seems that their duet works well
Scipio + Epaminoid work well too
Alfred special skill works with Minamoto. Thanks for sharing your findings and keep up the good work.
Adding Nathanael or Spartacus as assistant to the boss-hunting general resulted in reduced stamina costs and increased speed.
What about Theodora as assistant to Hannibal for monster hunting?
As a archery assistant, Winfield Scott was easy to use.
You can’t put an archer attack on the main general, but I was able to put an archer attack on Scott, so that was not a problem.
When I put Hannibal (additional skills: march size, mounted troops attack, mounted troops monster) on Theodora (additional skills: mounted troops attack, luck, mounted troops monster) as an assistant, the march size increased.
Hannibal’s special skill does not have a March size increase, so the March size skill book effect was reflected.
What does NG mean
maybe not given
We have been mixing for PvP. Wonder if you all will look at that in the future. Combinations we are trying Main: range Asst: ground to see how they improve
Jintoku and Shimazu do not compete. The efficiency of food recovery will increase tremendously.
Thank you for all your valuable information.
I was thinking at the level of putting Trajan as an aide to George the Defender, etc. However, this article was on a different level, as it was about attaching an assistant marksman to a marksman general, etc.
Please give us some consideration for lower levels sometime soon.
I use tran with William Marshall, his main skill works (I noticed this combo was still left blank in the sheet)
I am always learning from you.
Thank you for the prompt update.
I appreciate it.
I have several questions and would like to ask them one at a time.
If the main general is an archer general and his assistant is a siege general, are buffs, skills, etc. null and void?
For example, Elektra + Philip II, archer + siege is meaningless?
Thank you in advance.
I am still investigating those things.
(too strong).
There are still many things I don’t understand myself, so I would be happy to exchange information with you all here.
At any rate, I honestly think it is full of glitches at the moment
The reply has not been reflected. My apologies. Thank you for your response
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