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Drugs death rates in Europe
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No, Estonia has successfully regained the rationality, engineering, and economic efficiency of the North, but not yet left behind the Russian melancholic poetry and philosophical depth
Bad bad cocktail.
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· 7 hr. ago
Finally here
Yeah, they always use year 2019 as propaganda. The number has gone down since then a lot.
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Nooo!!! Why is Finland always higher than the Netherlands!!! You are getting rid of your drug addicts way faster than we ffs! EVERY, SINGLE, TIME. You top us..
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What drugs are we sucking, exactly? Maybe a Ketamine lollipop? Or do you have different drugs to suck in Finland?
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· 8 hr. ago
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I first read that as 2.52.
That's not so bad. Why are people always talking about the drug problem in Scotland...
...oh
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And has remained persistently the highest by a degree of magnitude in Europe for decades.
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· 9 hr. ago · edited 9 hr. ago
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Huh, I guess I have never seen a film or read a book about Scotland without drugs mentioned in it. That being said, most of it were written by Irvine Welsh or based on his novels but still.
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· 3 hr. ago
Berlin (Germany)
United States was 21.6/100,000 in 2019. And considering the size and diversity of the country, that means it's even higher still in some areas within the US. It's fucking tragic.
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· 9 hr. ago
United Kingdom
Yup Scotland drags down the rest of the UK and by a wide margin as well.
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If only... I don't think we have more or less problems with substance abuse than any other place in the world really. The difference lies in the drug laws and how the data is gathered I think.
Like, in Sweden we have a heavily regulated alcohol market. State monopoly even. So we have among the lowest stats in the world for alcohol related deaths. But our drug laws and attitude towards other drugs is so backwards that it's ALL criminalized... there is help, but it's accompanied by legal and social issues, so many drug related deaths are cerrainly due to how an illegal substance addiction is treated by our justice and social systems.
It's actually retarded that we are so backwards on this still.
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· 8 hr. ago
Denmark
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Offering help instead of constant punishments and relapse? Sounds reasonable
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· 6 hr. ago
Portugal
decriminalization was just one of the things in the policies. It was not on itself the thing, or even the most important thing (IMO). It is cargo culto-ish to try to replicate end results by copying just one factor.
it is getting worse anyway. A lot worse, both more deaths, more visible drug usage, more gang violence. A new "shooting center" (I do not know what it is called in english?) just opened in Lisbon and they have a problem, much more users than expected, and that is truly a problem which is not solved by expanding the network.
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· 6 hr. ago
Finland
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· 6 hr. ago
Finland
Looks like it. I feel like when I was in Portugal some Portuguese dude asked me “hasis?” on every other street corner. They looked like fairly normal bloke trying to earn living tho.
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I know some people in Portugal and been here a lot of times. I think it's above all a cultural thing. People there get trashed on beer and wine quite often and smoke a lot of weed and hash, but almost no one is using hard drugs there, while in The Netherlands it's quite common. Another thing is that with the wages in Portugal you would need like 2 jobs to be able to afford regular usage of hard drugs.
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If the UK was shown as each individual country the stats would be wildly different
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· 8 hr. ago
Sweden
Draconian drug policies plagiarized from the Nixon school of drug enforcement
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· 6 hr. ago
Norway-France
Here in Norway our cops love harassing drug addicts for some reason. It doesn't tend to make drug addicts use less drugs. Even for possession of a small amount of marihuana will make them get up your ass
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· 4 hr. ago · edited 4 hr. ago
Portugal
I grew up in Lisbon in the 80's and 90's, shit was terrible, half my highschool class were IV heroine/cocaine drug users, not many survived overdoses or aids. Seeing these stats make me really happy, decriminalize drugs yo. Meanwhile 'Murica is hitting 100.000 overdose deaths per year :/
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· 7 hr. ago
Poland
Portugal ones again proves it should be detached from Iberia and hauled into Eastern Europe.
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· 9 hr. ago
Romania
Iran is interesting since over there the poors do heroin while the rich do meth; they got unlucky being right next to Afghanistan which is the world's biggest producer of heroin, and the enormous amounts of the drug coming across the border mean that a big percentage of the iranian population is addicted to it
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Sweden has the second highest drug death rate of the nordic countries. Or like our government likes to view it; we are second best in making People stop doing drugs.
Evidently Portugal is doing something right. But lets not fucking find out what it is cause politicians have invested to much personal prestige on the current policies.
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Congrats Portugal. Anything going on there we could do with emulating, perhaps?
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Nope, I don’t think it’s. Look at this you can see the difference: https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/ut9m1w/jag_har_h%C3%B6rt_hela_livet_att_alkoholism_%C3%A4r_skyh%C3%B6gt
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no data from Vatican city... I can only imagine what's going on in there
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I'm curious can someone more knowledgeable about the topic explain? I've always heard that strict drugpolicies don't work, yet f.e. Poland and much of (South-) Eastern Europe score remarkably well, like on the same level as Portugal or Holland where it's decriminalised. What's the explanation?
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· 8 hr. ago
Poland
There is little to no drive for drugs in Poland. Weed, sure, but anything beyond that is considered to be extremely harmful and off limits. People do not want to deal with anyone who has contact with serious drugs.
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· 8 hr. ago
Mazovia (Poland)
For Poland its a huge stigma against drugs. It’s one of the fastest ways to make people actively start avoiding you, including friends and family. Weed is an exception and somewhat tolerated, although not everywhere (mostly among younger people).
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· 9 hr. ago
Emilia-Romagna
I'm tempted to say different ways of socialisation. The Nordics, the UK and the Baltics tend to be more individualistic in outlook and you are basically left to your own device, if you need something other than welfare, while the South of Europe and the Balkans might offer more family and friends support, not just material but also emotional.
Loneliness is scary.
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This is a misconception. It is tolerated by police and the country but by law it is still illegal. So if they want they can still give you a fine or arrest you for having it. Not that it ever happens but just for the info :). Also most related death by drugs are tourists sadly
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How are Switzerland and Portugal so different, I thought their drug policy was very similar
+ I don't know about the former eastern block countries, are the data accurate? Or is the liberal approach to drugs, not the thing that works? Portugal would suggest otherwise, but we Czechs should have similar socioeconomic problems to like Poland, the only big difference I know about is that we have pretty liberal drug laws.
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Maybe drug policy never made a difference all along, and it is due to mostly other factors.
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And then they sell us the fairy tale that Scandinavian people are the happiest in the world.
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· 3 hr. ago
Amsterdam
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Portugal is pretty low, I know they handle drugs for free and help people get out of the streets, seems to work
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Fentanyl (sometimes mixed with heroin) is wrong with Estonia. The % of drug users that die due to their drug use is insane I've heard.
Add in some young kids experimenting with ghb and shitloads of oh-so-cool potheads that decide to try something new one day.
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Why are drugs still illegal!?! Decriminalisation, or even legalisation, would mean less spend on policing drugs related crimes, more employment in a new industry, tax revenues and, shown by more and more studies, less depression (thus suicides), addictions, etc.
It's funny how we look back in time and think of ancestors as backward, yet here we are...the backward ancestors.
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Nordics know how to party ... to the death. I assume Fentanyl & other opioids.
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More like strict laws which can ruin your life makes people afraid of calling for help. So people die since people hope for the best and just wait until it is "serious".
Also the Norwegian police has a lobby organization, NNPF. They are funded by police donations decided by it's own members. Being promoted in the Norwegian police is easier if you are a member. They (the private lobby organization) have pretend to be the actual police on multiple occasions.
NNPF want's to do big busts, and use lots of guns. They don't want to chase pedo's and such. BORING. They use false "science" from decades ago and pretend anything after 2000 never happened.
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· 8 hr. ago · edited 8 hr. ago
Ljubljana (Slovenia)
I assume this doesn't include alcohol, otherwise Slovenia would have been on top or close to it.
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· 7 hr. ago
Slovenia
I think it's narcotics only, otherwise Belarus' numbers would be war higher.
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Drug related deaths seems to increase while temperature decreases!
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It can also mean that scandinavians and russians are more susceptible to overdoses...
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· 7 hr. ago
Hungary
Is that from medicine or illegal drugs?
I refuse to believe that less that 60 people die from overdose in a generation in Hungary. Maybe in a year, that can be believable
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Is alcohol and tobacco declares as drugs? When yes, why is Russia so low?
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Whats killing people in Scandinavia? Isn‘t booze too expensive there to drink yourself to death? What is it than Heroin?
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Bulgaria... Stronk?
It's really weird seeing us be in the proverbial green of something on a Euro map
Also why are the Nordics in the dark red zone? This map is some Alice in Wonderland Europe version
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