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Harem Member Sexuality

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13 days ago

Harem Member Sexuality

I added a small update to the Clarifications sticky and rules a few days ago, but it seems like a little more attention needs to be given to this topic.


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If a harem has members that are intimate with each other that is acceptable.

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If a harem has members that are not intimate with each other that is acceptable.

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If a harem has all members intimate with each other that is acceptable.

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If a harem has no members that are intimate with each other that is acceptable.

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Each of those can fit the various ideas of both male fantasy and the reality of group dynamics. There are going to be works posted here that fall under all four possibilities. The level of intimacy expressed can also change over time for the harem as a whole or individual members.


While all of that is acceptable and understandable, the increasing levels of vitriol in comments here is not. This is not directed at any particular preference as all preferences are equally valid. There is no wrong choice in how much the harem does or does not interact with each other. There is also no single correct choice either as it depends on the interests of the author and the characters.


Historical harems were often quite a bit more involved and complex than the kind of harem most haremlit novels are describing. Sometimes hundreds of women large with family members, maids, serving girls, one night stands, and others all kept separated from the rest of the community and guarded by an even larger number of eunuchs. Training, treachery, politicking, and many other types of interactions between the women in the harem were commonplace. Historical records may not detail intimacy among the women, but given history's preference to obscure many kinds of sexual expression this should not be surprising. (See the subreddit r/SapphoAndHerFriend for examples.) It is extremely likely that at least some intimacy occurred inside of harems and the "training" itself might have included some physical aspects as well.


While history's writings and reading between the lines may give differing impressions of historical harems what should be understood is that there is no one setting for everyone. Some people are completely straight, some are completely homosexual, and many are somewhere in between. A member of a harem might eagerly want to be with the other members or a specific member, might willingly or reluctantly go along with it, or not be interested at all. That is all acceptable behavior. Having the entire harem fall into any single one of those categories is less likely and seems to be where the conflict in comments will begin. Again, there is no right answer and the level of intimacy can vary based on the characters and author's preferences. A harem is not required to be completely straight or completely bisexual and there are more narrative options to be had in different, ahem, positions being taken by the harem members.


Requesting stories with specific allowed attributes among the harem members is not wrong and is a primary source of communication and recommendations within this community. Personal attacks on those posting them or those commenting in response to them are not allowed.

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If all preferences are equal why did you tag a request for an all-straight harem as controversial? Secondly, your idea that harems must have had a female on female intimacy is obviously speculation but also evidence of how ingrained 21st-century sexuality and morality are within your head. Let me tell you my grandparents and their grandparents before them and on and on it goes would not even consider lesbians to exist anyway harem fantasy is just wish-fulfillment fantasy so how realistic it is doesn't really matter

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The post creator used that flair and I changed it to a more appropriate flair.


I did not state that it must have happened. I said it was extremely likely. The concepts of intimate interactions in environments with predominantly one gender is well established in modern times, historical periods that did not seem to censor it, and even in nature. A small selection of Wikipedia pages, which have their sources linked throughout, more than illustrate that point. In addition I've included a link to a brief one and a half page summary on historical examples which directly contradict your point of it being a modern concept.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

https://www.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/honors/documents/journals/sexinstone/Zive.pdf

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· 4 days ago
AUSTIN BECK - AUTHOR

I love it when the MC’s harem girls get naughty with one another. You’ll find that in all of my books.

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Asking for a friend, but what are some books where the harem members get frisky without the main character involved? Preferably something written in third person. Again, just for a friend.

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A Mage's Cultivation by Bruce Sentar has this.

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There's lots of this in the Fallen Powers series.

In saving super villians two members were planning a date with each other, I haven't read ahead far enough to see if there's a sex secne with just them but I suspect not as it's first person.

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There are many, but in Daniel Black the first two women are actually sexual partners before MC showed up. They enjoy each other without MC in several occasions.

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I suddenly have a craving for a novel told exclusively from the POV of the women in the harem. The man powered up by romancing lots of women, then went of to slay the demon king and got captured. So his harem set off to complete the mission and rescue him, much romance happens on the way.

(Ok, ok. I confess. This wasn't an original idea. It's from The Harem of Aman Ackbar)

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· 13 days ago
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If a harem has no members that are intimate with each other that is acceptable.

Sorry, a bit confused by this point. How is it a harem if none of the members are intimate? Or are you only referring to intimate relations between the women in the harem? Does the male in the harem count as a member?

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The term harem is generally used to refer to the group that is dedicated to the one.

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I don’t understand the anger one would feel if a harem wasn’t built exactly the way one likes it. Authors are not writing bespoke fiction. If a harem dynamic is different than you prefer, simply move on. Why is this something to froth at the mouth over?

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· 11 days ago · edited 11 days ago
JOE KUSTER — AUTHOR

According to my FB messenger inbox, some people just love frothing at the mouth as they unload borderline unhinged rants about how they demand bespoke fiction.

Some people truly believe they are the "gatekeeper" for the entire genre, and that the only valid stories are those crafted to their weirdly-specific fetish.

A story can even be in line with what they want, but they will violently get in an author's face over how they expect things to play out.

Thankfully, it's only a few people, but they are extreme about how they go about it and it's more than a little creepy and very off putting.

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What i personally get irritated about is when the dynamic changes drastically after several books and I have to go through Amazon and return a bunch of stuff - it wastes everyone's time and eats up the online return cap. It also makes me kinda not trust the author anymore even if I find a new series interesting.. and their books keep cluttering my recommendations.

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· 13 days ago · edited 13 days ago

I definately can get upset if a book disapoints me. Half the point about reading a novel is to get emotionally invested, if something bad happens to a charachter that can upset me, it's even worse when a charachter is forced to do dumb things because the author needed it for a plot. Sometimes I think I see forshadowing and get very invested in where I think the story is going, then get very disapointed when it turns out I'm wrong and the author had something else in mind (this happened to me quite recently with Thirdborn).

So I can see the emotional circuit that leads to people being upset. But seeing it only makes me more confident you are correct. Simply move on is the right answer. I've literally got autism, feelings get stuck in my head way more than they should, discussing the book and your feelings is fun, but frothing at the mouth is just childish. What I can't understand is knowing you have narrow tastes and taking it out on an author. If you don't like a touch of sappho in the harem, ask the author, read some reviews, and pick the books that do what you like.

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What's worse to me is that some authors are afraid to touch FFM stuff for fear of backlash by a vocal minority. Some authors have light play between the girls, only to go over-the-top letting the reader know it's not an emotional affair and that they only love the MC. Then other authors aren't even that brave and will just hint at future FFM scenes that they never pull the trigger on.

It's one thing if that's the author's preference, but it feels like many of them are scared of their readers.

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I wonder if you people are living in a different reality to mine. I would much like to transfer over there. Vocal minority my arse, nearly every single harem series has lesbian/bi content and that is never mentioned in any low reviews. Where is this so called backlash? Is asking for content that you would prefer backlash? Where are these cowardly authors who love bi content but are shivering in their sheets in fear over the backlash? Get over yourselves, clearly the majority of harem readers and authors like FFM, you don't get to act oppressed.

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Celestine Chronicles and TAP by Cebelius

Princess of Ironbound by Aaron Crash

Entangled Fates by Joe Kuster

Meta Marshal Service by BN.Miles

That is just from the top of my head, you're underestimating the diversity of the harem genre.

Of course harem authors are scared of their readers. 98% of them are indie authors an it just takes a little whining from the vocal minority for their career in harem to end.

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It's sad that you had to make this post. It's even more sad that at some point, you will have to amend it to say "harem members may enjoy self love either with or without the MC actively involved", because that will be the next whacky line someone tries to draw in the sand.

Thanks for trying to keep the peace!

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· 12 days ago
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Women pleasing themselves?! Preposterous!!!

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Meaning, there is

  • no jealousy plot or love triangle.

  • The mc and his girlfriend don't break up. (Opposite of Marvel/DC where it seems every character has been with each other and the relationship somehow ends in a disaster)

  • The book is not filled with angst.

  • The mc doesn't shares most of the screentime with a girl that is not his girlfriend and his girlfriends is nowhere to be seen.

I ask this because using jealousy or love triangle for drama has unfortunately become quite common, so much so that many mainstream books use this.

Power Fantasy will be a plus where the mc either becomes powerful or is already powerful. Power can be traded with intelligence, wealth or influence.

Any genre will do.

Also, I am open to Recommendation to books or to groups/subreddit with similar taste.

Note: It doesn't necessarily have to be monogamy but will be preferred.

Thank you for your time

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Personally, I would rate Mike Truk's Five Trial Series as my favorite western written harem series and on the eastern side I would place Against the Gods and Keyboard Immortal. lmk

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I’ve recently Bruce Sentar story on Supervillains and I was disappointed. Had an excellent premise but they MC fell for pretty much some tropes as is typical for harem story. Not to mention MC was a major crybaby and in no way shape or form acted like a man in his mid 40’s but angst ridden Holden Caulfield.

I’m just getting kind of tired of the same formulas and I’m looking for something new. Where a character actually deserves to have a harem .

Any recommendations is appreciated.

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I just finished book 2 of Dragon's Justice by Bruce Sentar (I'm an audio-only) and I need more. First off, I've heard the 3rd book is coming out on audio soon so if anyone knows a time guesstimiate for when it comes out that would be cool to know.

Anyway, I'm looking for more of a good story with a harem rather than a harem with a story. Zack honestly is a good mc by my usual standards, not just the standards I reserve for a harem mc. He isn't an annoy try too hard gigachad but he isn't spineless, he just doesn't take shit from others without being a douche. Sure there are times where I had to stop and groan with how he acted cause I wish he throw his weight around a little more but in character for him along with the whole hiding his identity so I quickly got over it. However, Zack never felt like he was getting to power as the stakes kept rising and nothing felt to deus ex machina (except for the end fight of book 2) and I love the evolution of his character as he accepted his draconic half and the norms of the paraworld.

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Looking for books with an OP MC who does whatever he wants and does not take shit from anyone. I have already read most of the popular authors like Randi Darren, Daniel Schinhofen, Bruce Sentar, etc., and while I find some of these books good, I am getting tired of the MC always being or becoming a wimp as the series progress.

Specifically, I do not like when the MC is:

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  • Pushed/ordered around by others.

  • Does not want multiple women but then "loves all his wives with every fiber of his being" after being convinced to have more.

The latest books in the Binding Words series by Daniel Schinhofen is an example of the MC becoming a wimp.

Characteristics I am looking for:

  • OP MC

  • Morally gray MC

  • Takes all the women he wants

  • Explicit

These are some series with the type of MC I am looking for:

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