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'Morbius' Review Thread

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'Morbius' Review Thread

Rotten Tomatoes: 16% (117 reviews) with 3.8 in average rating

Critics consensus: Cursed with uninspired effects, rote performances, and a borderline nonsensical story, this Spidey-adjacent mess is a vein attempt to make Morbius happen.

Metacritic: 37/100 (45 critics)

As with other movies, the scores are set to change as time passes. Meanwhile, I'll post some short reviews on the movie. It's structured like this: quote first, source second.

After a promising start, Daniel Espinosa’s long-delayed film only intermittently matches the intensity of the lead performance, and the script by Matt Sazama and Burk Sharpless becomes thin on story, stringing together chaotic outbursts and action clashes that build to a painstakingly foreshadowed “sibling” faceoff. None of that seems likely to deter the geek faithful, even if this new entry in Sony’s Spider-Man Universe often seems a lot like a boilerplate Venom installment, without the humor.

-David Rooney, The Hollywood Reporter

“Morbius” mostly surprises because of how very dull it is. Case in point: After Michael’s bad deeds become publicized, local news teams term him “the Vampire Murderer,” an uninspired nickname that serves as a microcosm of everything “Morbius” is: mostly unnecessary, oddly unoriginal, and soon quite forgettable indeed.

-Kate Erbland, IndieWire: C-

“Morbius” isn’t even a debacle. It’s a little over 90 minutes long if you don’t count the credits (which include what has to be the worst closing teaser I’ve ever seen in a Marvel movie), and for all the overwrought push of Jon Ekstrand’s score, the film is nothing more than a flimsy time-killer, an early-April placeholder of a movie. It’s as trashy and underimagined as the “Venom” films, though it’s easy to see why both of those became mega-hits: The character of Venom, who’s like a superhero merged with the creature from “Alien,” with a voice of basso showbiz effrontery, is an entertaining hunk of sci-fi demon eye candy. Whereas Leto’s teeth-baring monster-scientist truly looks like a relic from the ’70s. He never scares or dazzles or haunts you — not because Leto is less than a good actor, but because this isn’t a character based on acting. It’s based on the creakiest FX, the one (mild) exception being the painterly trails of digital “smoke” left behind by Morbius as he flies through the air.

-Owen Gleiberman, Variety

Morbius is unspectacular in ways that waste the potential of what could be an intriguing hybrid of sinister horror and superhero thrills. One single scene recalls David F. Sandberg’s Lights Out for a suitable fright, but otherwise horror accents are limited to cheesy jokes about Dracula. That’s the approach the whole film takes, in fact. Everything feels superfluous and uninterested in thoughtful storytelling because the mission at hand is to get to the end credits where the meat exists. Morbius is so focused on building Sony’s Spider-Man Universe and hopeful sequels — which could very well be better now that the foundation exists — that it forgets about enthusiastically engaging its audience from the start.

-Matt Donato, IGN: 5.0 "mediocre"

What starts as a fun mad-scientist saga ends up in the usual big battle, and the journey drags along the way.

-Alonso Duralde, The Wrap

It really is an amazingly pointless and dumb film: the good/bad setup between Morbius and Milo is muddled and cancelled by the not-especially-compelling moral struggle within Morbius himself. Both Leto and Smith have to keep doing the evil demonic face-change growling thing, and it is intensely silly. Let’s hope the extended Spider-Man universe extends far enough to include something more interesting than this.

-Peter Bradshaw, The Guardian: 1/5

Most of the MCU movies and some of the recent DC films like “The Suicide Squad” are case studies on how to best introduce obscure superhero personas onto the screen. The gonzo “Venom” movies know and proudly own what they are. “Morbius” misses all those lessons and seems to be stuck among the more lackluster films from the early to mid 2000s a la “Elektra.” Even the mid-credits scenes that attempt to bring Leto’s role into a larger landscape wind up being more confusing than cool. Rather than a fang-tastic time, “Morbius” is just a soul-sucking effort.

-Brian Truitt, USA Today: 1.5/4

Beyond whatever scenes have been reworked, recut or just plain deleted from an abbreviated final cut, the movie shies away from the vampirism that could have made this more than a swift origin story: There’s surprisingly little blood in this sucker and, of course, eroticism is largely eschewed. The movie is most enticing when Dr. Michael Morbius feels like a threat to himself and/or others, and that feeling isn’t allowed to linger. It’s a perverse tactic, given that Sony transparently yearns for these villains to team up and take on some version, any version, of Spider-Man. The actual pre-credits body of Morbius doesn’t actually waste any time on this set-up. Yet there’s some kind of invisible force here, hurrying things along in the hopes of a future team-up, making sure this feature film arrives more undead than alive.

-Jesse Hassenger, Paste Magazine: 5.9/10

Without spoiling anything, a couple of post-credits sequences set up a future for Leto’s character in a larger world that you understand why Sony would try and telegraph, but given the failures of past Spider-Man spin-offs it’s hard to believe they have really thought any of those next steps through. But until then, Morbius feels like exactly the kind of second-tier superhero adventure audiences will accept in between ones that they actively want. Admittedly, it’s odd to want a movie like this to have been worse, but that would mean it failed as bigly as the swings it took; by comparison, Morbius is a walk, or at best a bunt. That may qualify it as a hit for Leto, Espinoza and Sony, but that doesn’t mean it’s much fun to watch from the stands.

-Todd Gilchrist, The A.V. Club: C-

“Morbius” is bad, yes, but it’s not even fun-bad, like the “Venom” movies; it’s just kind of depressing. There’s not a single thrilling, surprising, or entertaining moment in it, from start to finish, because comic book movies have reached a point of longevity and saturation that all of them are purely paint-by-number affairs: the laborious origin stories, the washed-out color palates, the bombastic scores, the daddy issues, the climactic barely-lit, CGI-heavy final fights to the death, and the mid-credit sequences to set up future installments. The nicest thing I can say about it is that it’s short.

-Jason Bailey, The Playlist: D-

It looks like “Morbius” might soon cross paths with Spider-Man in one universe or another, but that would be a big step up for him, because his introductory vehicle feels more like a just-average 1990s vampire movie.

-Richard Roeper, The Chicago Sun Times: 2/4

Is Morbius the worst Marvel movie ever made? In an alternate universe without The New Mutants, the answer would likely be yes. And with all these multiverses now colliding into each other, who knows: There may even be a world out there where things actually came together for this old-school comic-book bloodsucker onscreen, where his determination to fight his newly monstrous nature while taking on the corrupt and the criminal gave us a deeper, darker antihero and Leto the chance to make his mark in the larger Marvel ecosphere. We’re stuck in this timeline, where the Morbius we’ve got is, plain and simple, a mess. If it’s not the worst of these films, it’s certainly the most anemic — and even die-hard fans are apt to feel completely drained by all of it.

-David Fear, Rolling Stone


PLOT

Suffering from a rare blood disease, Dr. Michael Morbius tries a dangerous cure that afflicts him with a form of vampirism.

DIRECTOR

Daniel Espinosa

WRITERS

Matt Sazama & Burk Sharpless

MUSIC

Jon Ekstrand

CINEMATOGRAPHY

Oliver Wood

BUDGET

$75 million

Release date:

April 1, 2022

STARRING

  • Jared Leto as Dr. Michael Morbius

  • Matt Smith as Milo

  • Adria Arjona as Martine Bancroft

  • Jared Harris as Nicholas Morbius

  • Al Madrigal as FBI Agent Alberto "Al" Rodriguez

  • Tyrese Gibson as FBI Agent Simon Stroud

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I just wanna know what this shitty post-credits scene is. I don't even care about spoilers, Michael Keaton is in the trailer. It's referenced even on the Wikipedia page.

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Here [spoilers] ofc so watch at your own discretion

https://streamable.com/azqfex

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Post-credit scene 1 :

The purple rift from the end of NWH shows up indicating that the multiversal villains are being sent back to their respective universes, this somehow leads to Toomes being sent from his MCU prison cell to a prison cell in the Morbius universe. Toomes is later freed from prison because they can't incarcerate him since there are no records of him doing any crimes in this universe.


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Michael Morbius is driving a car heading to a desert, he hears a noise that makes him get out of his car to investigate and he notices something far away approaching him. It's revealed to be the Vulture (in the MCU suit somehow). Vulture then talks to Morbius and tells him he wants to get revenge on Spider-Man, asking him if he would want to join him in this endeavor. Morbius accepts.

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Wow, these reviews are brutal! It was a huge red flag when the review embargo wasn't lifted until 8 PM ET before the release date.

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Pretty sure the very first trailer was the red flag.

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It was a huge red flag when they cast their lead actor

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It was a huge red flag when they pitched a movie about a D-level Spider-Man adversary.

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What's a review embargo

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Johnny Oleksinski New York Post :

"The cacophonous ending sets up a sequel, but I hope it never sees the light of day. Actually, considering it’s about vampires, maybe I do! "

lmao

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A new marvel legend has arrived…

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Finally, the film based on Spider-Man’s legendary 22nd most popular adversary has arrived.

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I love those instagram ads where Jared Leto is begging you to understand that Morbius is technically a Spider-Man character

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Is Morbius the worst Marvel movie ever made? In an alternate universe without The New Mutants, the answer would likely be yes.

It's going to start strong, get worse by Saturday, then crash and burn as Sony tries to call it a success.

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"Guys! It's the MCU! Believe us! It's true this time!"

-Sony

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I mean at this point Disney needs to sue for defamation of character lmao. Fuckin hell. And why the fuck do people keep giving Jared Leto roles, doesn't he have like 3-4 different sexual assault accusations and sliding in the DMs of minors and very young models.

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Monthbius killing it baby!!!!!

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Bring on the Draculas

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Grab that gem(bius).

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It’s the month of Yearbius!

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I'd love to know the number of people who listen to this podcast because I'm surprised how often I see references to it out in the wild

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NO, MASON!

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Another weekly-wackadoo

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Not going to be as good as snake eyes, I’ve deffo seen like like everyday since it’s release date

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The positive reviews on RT are almost more insulting than the negative reviews

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$75 million budget / $40 million opening - Morbius cinematic universe confirmed?

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· 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

It's actually in the Venom cinematic universe lol.

Might as well throw I, Frankenstein in there too. Why not right?

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r/boxoffice tells me that any movie needs 2.5x budget to break even. So it needs about 190 million plus before it makes a profit.

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“So who should write this?”

“There’s a couple of guys who wrote Dracula Untold, which was a vampire flick.”

“Perfect. They’re hired”

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Seriously, how do they have jobs? They have written nothing good.

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Endgame and Avatar better watch the fuck out.

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Morbius Mania is taking over cinema

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You know it's bad when your lead actor has to wear giant ugly sunglasses in interviews because watching the premier blinded him and sucked his soul away. I can't imagine being one of the worst parts of 2 failed comic movies from different comic studios.

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Great week for Jared Leto

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What else happened to him

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Nothing makes me happier than bad things happening to that creep.

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One of the movies of the year

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I’d go further and say this is one of the movies of all time.

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It's definitely one of the movies.

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Well, from what i read at least Matt Smith had some fun with his role.

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Man, I really really hope House of Dragons is finally his big break into the more mainstream consciousness. He's my favorite Doctor and the sheer amount of bad projects he keeps ending up in is kind of heartbreaking. He's a good actor, just keeps betting on the wrong horses.

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at least Matt Smith had some fun with his role

That is such a shitty silver lining lol

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I guess once you've lived through Terminator Genysis, this can't seem so bad.

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Congratulations to Leto for having 2 comic book characters that are just awful awful adaptions with shit reviews

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All he’s gotta do now is a bad Spawn movie as the Violator or something and he’ll have the hat trick.

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He’s just so fucking awful. He takes a role and asks “how can I break emersion by drawing attention to my performance—more specifically—so the viewer knows it’s me playing this character and no one else?” And by god if he’s good at anything it’s finding that method with each role.

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I'm just glad nobody considered him for The Sandman series.

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Can’t wait to turn on my TV a year from now, see this movie is playing on FX with commercial interruptions, and then promptly decide not to watch it.

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I know it's a whoosh, but they always seem to wait 2 years before putting them on FX. So we'll have to wait until 2024 before we can see this piece of shit the way it's meant to be seen.

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With FX playing it at like x1.3 speed and cutting out some parts to fill in more commercials. They won't mind because it's a shitty movie anyway.

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This movie sucking so hard amuses me. I can’t STAND Leto, and I have gotten this goddamn trailer in front of every goddamn movie since I saw Dune in OCTOBER. I just already feel a certain way about it.

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Can't believe he's still getting these roles. Not only is he a terrible actor but he's also extremely unlikable as a person. At least his younger self was hot

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I feel the same way. So do we hate seeing the same trailer over and over again or do we hate it because Leto is in it? I’m not sure if it’s too heavily advertised or if I’m biased because I don’t like Leto. Like maybe it’s a typical ad campaign but that fucker just triggers me. Or maybe there’s not many movies coming out cuz covid and there just aren’t many trailers to go around? I’d like to think I’d give every movie a chance. But maybe I’m wrong about myself.

Lastly, I’m drunk.

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If this is true, Jared Leto will be the first actor to take an L in both the DCEU and the MCU

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I'm sure there are some Dark Horse and Image characters he can do an awful job with.

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Good. Fuck Jared Leto and his fucking creepy cult.

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Ryan Reynolds had Green Lantern and the Wolverine Origins Deadpool

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Doesn’t really count as MCU, but Ben Affleck hold that title for BVS and Daredevil.

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Absolutely not MCU and not sure why you would think that.

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Sony universe not MCU we don't want him in our club

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So it's EXACTLY what we all thought it was?

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Masterpiece incoming…

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Aw, damn. I was really hoping that it was going to be completely terrible. That would at least have been a fun visit to the theatre.

Aggressively mediocre is much harder to justify the trip.

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“Aggressively mediocre” is almost the worst sin a piece of media can commit.

If it’s truly laughably terrible, then it’ll be remembered forever. See: The Room.

Being mediocre? Then it’s just forgotten. There’ll be no reason to even talk about it in a month, and it’ll just disappear.

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Of all the Spider-Man villains I would want for the Sinister Six, Morbius isn't on the list.

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I mean, there's many that wouldn't make a list of only 6, right. But yeah, Morbius is one of the least popular for sure.

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1 TRILLION TICKETS BABY LET'S GOOOOOOO

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The next cultural reset

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OSCARS CHEER MOMENT + FAN FAVORITE 2023 LETS GO!

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I can’t believe it. I had so much confidence in this film, especially coming from the visionary writers of the critical darling ‘Gods of Egypt’. Who could have seen this coming?

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Jeez, I hadn't made that connection.

Gods of Egypt is honestly one of the most confusingly bad movies I've ever seen. I watched it at a friend's house, and asked him twice if he'd pirated some sort of rough-cut or re-edited version of it, because I was having a hard time accepting that it was professionally made. If Morbius is ANYTHING like that, yeesh.

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I know right. Who knew the screenwriters of Gods of Egypt and the Last Witch Hunter would end up putting out such a stinker.

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Gods of Egypt is at least fun trash.

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Fantastic Four hit 9% hoping Morbius can set a new bar

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Ehhh, saw both in cinemas f4t4s4i4c is still the worse movie of the two

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Incoming Oscars cheer moment winner

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Morbius enters the bat force

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You better watch out, Suicide Squad (2016)

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Considering how they memed up this last one, I definitely won't be surprised

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· 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

Heh, looks like the critics don't get it. Certified arthouse kino confirmed.

Morbius Chads, we win. 5 billion box office incoming.

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#ReleaseTheEspinosaCut

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101% On Rotten Tomatoes!!!

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All this time and the so-called "critics" aren't taking the DORITOS FACTORTM into account.

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They're just Morbiased.

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CRITICS PUT OUT THE HIT, BUT AUDIENCES LOVED GOTTI

YOU DON'T WANT TO SIDE WITH THE DUMB KEYBOARD WARRIORS WHO DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE THE TEASER FOR MORBIUS VS. GOTTI DO YOU? A FILM EXPERIENCE SO BOMBASTIC AND MOVING THAT YOUR ASS WILL MERGE WITH YOUR SEAT

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There's no way this isn't making Gone with the wind numbers

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The critics put the hit out.

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First movie to ever sell one trillion tickets

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Diamond hands

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The previews looked awful. I am not surprised with the critics on this one lol

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There was just nothing compelling in the trailer. It felt like fictional movie that kids in a cartoon would be hyped about.

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Guys remember, The Godfather Part II initially got bad reviews when it first came out too

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Morbius will definitely be remembered as one of the greatest movies of all time.

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Exactly. We all panned Elektra when it came out. Well who's laughing now...

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Did it really? I’m half surprised. I know Scarface initially got some bad reviews.

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relic from the 70s

Well, the critics are 100% right about that.

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Release date April 1st? What a joke.

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I mean how??? From the writers of Gods of Egypt and The last witch hunter, how can this be bad? It had to be the next dark knight! Its not like sony has ever made a mediocre comic book film right????!

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· 2 days ago · edited 22 hr. ago
't Filmhuis Podcast

Dear James Willems,

Mount up 4 Morbius is finally over after a few long, long years.

You can rest now.

Edit: for context: https://youtu.be/-0sgBZNofzc starting at the 1 hour mark.

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He must be so psyched to finally watch this masterpiece of kino.

Wonder which POS he will ironically hype up next lol

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Thankfully Sony still has PlayStation. Christ lol

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I'm honestly kind of surprised they haven't tried selling their film division to Netflix or someone, where is their film revenue coming from at this point?

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Sony sells life insurance. They're on another level from a mere media company

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We now live in a post-Morbius world.

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I for one am shocked that the movie that looked bad in the trailers turned out to be bad. They should have just released this in January like they were planning to. They could have maybe rode the Spider-Man hype wave and made some money. I mean this movie will probably bomb at the box office, but it could have made something coming off of Spider-Man mania.

You knew it was going to be bad when they have to promote by saying "from the studio that brought you", as if that means fucking anything for 99 percent of studios.

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I cant fucking stand jared leto

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Man how does Leto keep getting these heading roles

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gives good head

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Not all productions can afford Jake Gyllenhaal so they go with his shitty knockoff.

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· 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

Because he’s a talented Oscar winning actor with a popular rock band, and the GA does not know/care about any of his allegations or dumb on set behavior.

Also this is only Leto’s 2nd leading role since 2009. He’s not nearly as prevalent an actor as this sub makes him out to be.

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Apparently some of the scenes from the trailer don't appear in the movie

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That sounds like a good thing

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I don’t like being that guy, but part of me does want the Sony Spidey universe to fail. I love Venom, but these characters are much better serviced in the established MCU.

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I want Sony to fail so that they can actually establish that they have a problem. The biggest problem with Sony movies is that they just coast. Like on of the reviews said, there's no big swings or major risks. They just make lukewarm movies and keep serving them because no one complains enough and they bring in some money.

They need to totally bomb so that they can either pick themselves back up and go in a new direction, with risks and style, or they can sell to Disney and we can get a fresh take.

As it stands now, Sony's never gonna stop because they just aren't doing badly enough.

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I’ll gladly be that guy. Fuck Sony’s Spider-Man cinematic universe, I hope it fails again. Aside from Into The Spider-Verse they haven’t made a good Spider-Man (or Spidey related) film in nearly two decades.

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I’m more than happy to be that guy. Fuck Sony, just lease the characters back to Marvel and quit ruining good characters for antihero schlock.

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“I wish the Sony Spiderverse would fail,” you say, as another finger on the monkey’s paw curls. The next day, Amy Pascal announces a total reboot.

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I doubt they let them go tho, even if they tank

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The critics put out the hit 😤😤😤😤

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"New Yawk. Da greatest city in da world."

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Can we stop casting Jared letto as a comic character now for the love of God. Cast him as a drug abuser as the universe intended

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This is actually spot on, he's pretty great in the WeWork TV show playing a coked-up maniac who thinks he's a god.

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*Drug abuser/Diddler

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Requiem for a Dream 2 incoming.

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The movie was released yesterday in my country but I decided to watch "The Bad Guys" instead, I did that because the embargo just lifted today, which is not a good sign.

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How was the bad guys? Looks like it might be a surprise hit

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What country are you living in?! The Bad Guys doesn't drop until April 22nd!

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· 2 days ago · edited 2 days ago

smh (shake my head) my head cancel culture at it again. HollyWOKE are putting down this movie for daring to be both mediocre and boring

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Je suis the new marvel legend

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Had me in the first half

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I’ve long been of the opinion that an opportunity was missed by not having Michael Morbius as a major character somewhere in Wesley Snipes’ Blade franchise.

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· 2 days ago
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It's impressive how bad Sony is at making these movies.

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I'm only sorry for Jared Harris, he's a great actor.

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I’m legit shocked at how many professional critics like Richard Roeper think this is a Marvel Studios production. Like do these people just have 0 idea about the industry?

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That's sony's plan. Confuse the general audience into thinking this is in the MCU. The official poster has a giant red "A" on it with a tagline " A new marvel legend arrives"

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Sony's entire marketing strategy has been to convince people their Spider-Man spinoffs are made by Marvel. I'm absolutely one of those lunatics who thinks you could have an interconnected series of high quality movies based exclusively on Spider-Man characters, but there's no chance I'm ever going to pretend they've been doing anything close to a good job. If they had been, they'd be pushing the branding as it being a part of their Spider-Man continuity, not as "It may or may not be an MCU movie, come watch and find out."

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What do you expect when Sony is the weird friend you met at the bar and got you a shot that keeps showing up at your family reunions claiming he's your uncle?

I mean with the post credit scene... and NWH post credit scene... don't you see how people can be confused? We got Venom's seed (ew) in MCU now and now we got this new shit that you can look up, in the Sony verse

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At first I thought you were being ridiculous and misinterpreting him saying that it's a Marvel Studios movie because he mentions that it is a Marvel movie. Then I went into the review to start reading and yeah, he flat-out calls it an MCU movie.

You weren't kidding. You'd think they'd be aware of the difference as someone whose job it is to review movies, even if the MCU and action movies aren't personally your bread and butter. That's ridiculous.

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Don't let the reviews fool you, this might win best makeup at the Oscars!

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They should've included that in the marketing.

"From the Academy-award winning film Suicide Squad, comes Academy-award winning Jared Leto as the NEXT Marvel Legend!"

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I'd love to see Will Smith cast as The Scorpion and in the trailer he says "So thas it? We some kinda...Sinister Six?"

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I mean, even all the ads and trailers I saw.. and the fact it had Jared Leto, should have given us all a hint how bad it would have been. Also they kept trying to play it off as a Marvel movie when it's not a Marvel movie?

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The only effective bloodsucking Jared Leto does is the money he drained from this (and Suicide Squad's) budget.

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As soon as I see Jared Leto, I'm out.

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Clearly this is the best thing Sony/Marvel has ever done

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How is Jared Leto even getting roles at this point? Everything he does seems to be trash.

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He's supposedly a trash human being so it's fitting

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We all knew it was going to be bad. But man...

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Googled the writers and instantly found out why the movie is shit.

Seriously, it's a good idea to search the writer and director these days. If it's some person with a shit film history/ it's their first mega budget thing, then don't watch it. All the bad blockbusters follow the same formula of having an intern for a director and a writers room full of cheap interns, it's weird.

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Why does Hollywood keep putting Jared Leto in things? He's not a box office draw by any stretch of the imagination. He's got an overall pretty shitty track record with only a few okay things sprinkled in here and there. I don't get it.

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This movie manages to do two things: ruin Vulture's character arc and shit on Doctor Strange's spell-casting that transfers Vulture to another universe.

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A surprise to no one. Sony's track record with comic book movies has been shaky if you put it lightly (aside from Spiderverse of course) and this looked to fit their standard. I know Venom is liked by people but let's be honest, that was far from a great movie and it was lucky to be that profitable. Morbius didn't have the brand recognition and likeable main star to fool people into thinking the movie was good unlike Venom.

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Morpheus Orpheus drinkin a 40 in the death basket

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At this point, Sony should just stop making Marvel movies. You’re not Marvel Studios

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From seeing these reviews, I don't think I want to waste my money and see it in theatres. With that being said, I'm curious about which Spider-Man is in the Morbius universe. Is it Andrew Garfield like everyone has been suspecting?

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Don't do that to poor Andrew. It only leads to a future scene of him lamenting that the villains he fights are still lame.

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which Spider-Man is in the Morbius universe

Pretty sure the Sony Venom-verse doesn't have a Spider Man. News of superheroes seemed foreign to Eddie in the No Way Home post credit.

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