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Tusk urges Hungarians to vote out “most pro-Putin government in Europe” at rally in Budapest
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Tusk urges Hungarians to vote out “most pro-Putin government in Europe” at rally in Budapest
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· 1 day ago
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this is the recipe learned from ussr. Hungary, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria are doing it the best.
change the laws, or even make new laws to break old laws (this one is the best!) and make the administrative system colossal and burdened with all the politicians friends and family so you have on the payroll your whole voting base, while the other fuckers working in the private industry could sustain your insane wages and theft.
this is the legacy of the Soviet Union!
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· 1 day ago
Denmark
Yeah, then it is time for a bigger fight. Ukraine has shown the way in Maiden square with Viktor Yanukovych
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I'm Hungarian, this is exactly what happening aside of paid voters and cheating.
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· 1 day ago · edited 1 day ago
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Plus way too many brainwashed ignorant sadly. Many seem to crave for the strong leader figure (Orbán) and Hungary is just slowly becoming a Russia-light nation.
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How do Hungarians look at foreign politicians getting involved or campaigning in local elections? Does this put off people or are they OK with it?
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· 1 day ago
Hungary
I was there at the demonstration, didn't read the agenda before therefore Tusk's participation came as a surprise to me.
It was a cheerful moment, not only because he is a well respected politician, but his presence also symbolized that the Polish-Hungarian friendship can't just be monopolized by a policital party.
These international connecions must be kept alive at any costs, especially in these dificult times. Half of Hungarians need to be reassured that they are not left alone even if the upcoming elections would be lost because of the hijacked state media and gerrymandering.
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I'm hungarian. I don't care whoever the fuck sides with the opposition just take the trash out the government. Many within the young people said that the EU should intervene in the elections because last time Orbán cheated. The older ones are the brain dead ones that will even hit you if you speak against Orbán because he's their god. Got brainwashed from propaganda.
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· 1 day ago · edited 1 day ago
I don't think most people even know who the guy is, other than someone from high up in the EU.
And in that regard, people of the opposition carry a decently strong urge to belong to the west. So having someone from there join the cause is reassuring/inspirational.
At this point, people are desperate. Half the country doesn't care how, they just want Orbán and his cronies gone. It's all very escalated.
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How do Hungarians look at foreign politicians getting involved or campaigning in local elections? Does this put off people or are they OK with it?
Well Orban is involved in running politics in Slovenia, a neighbouring EU country.
Oligarchs close to him bought some of the key infrastructure and now own 40% of the media.
So it’s a fair game.
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The average voter gets their information from the state run, state serving media. No guests, no opinions, other then the ruling party’s are allowed. The average voter’s brain is easily influenced, I don’t think they even can comprehend that a given politician is foreign ‘interference’.
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· 1 day ago
Bavaria
Isnt if normal that other EU politicians are getting involved in the campaigns?
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· 1 day ago
Hungary
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I have no problem with politicians from EU countries campaigning in a country that is not theirs. That freedom is granted because they are an EU citizen.
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· 1 day ago
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
most pro-Putin government in Europe
Serbia says hi
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I was just going to say, I just came from there and their world view was almost shocking..
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· 1 day ago
Vojvodina
What I can't understand is - as someone who has both Hungarian and a Serbian citizenship - basically almost all of Europe is against Orban - for obvious reasons - and helping the hungarian opposition, but in Serbia Vučić is doing exactly the same things - total control of the media, sky-high corruption, cheating, intimidating and blackmailing people on the elections and rising authoritarianism - and yet Europe is very happy to negotiate with him, often praising him, and European leaders often just ignore the Serbian opposition - leaving those people in Serbia who would like the country to turn towards Europe - wondering whether it is really worth fighting for.
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· 1 day ago
Croatia
I always think its really bad in Croatia then i have a look at the neighborhood and its all great now
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· 1 day ago
Opole (Poland)
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· 17 hr. ago
Romania
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I don’t know Hungarian domestic politics enough to know how it is there, but if it’s anything like the UK, this will be massively counterproductive. Obama’s pro EU speech to Britain, to try and help Cameron, gave vote leave a shot of adrenaline and arguably helped flip the fine polling balance.
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I don't think so. Tusk used to be a major ally of Orbán in the EPP before his radical shift. Seeing that even Tusk became an "enemy" now, it should really raise some eyebrows among the supporters of Fidesz atleast. It's also quite telling, that the usual Polish activist groups didn't attend Orbán's rally this time.
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It is time to take the gloves off and stop trying to be the nice guy in international politics.
Orbans support of Russia is unacceptable, it is time for Hungary to decide if it is with the West or against us. There must be severe consequences if they choose to continue this path.
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· 1 day ago
Hungary
I doubt that. Most Hungarians - including a great bunch of Fidesz supporters - are clearly pro-EU. Please note the distinction in Orbán's vocabulary: when he says shit about the EU, he never has the courage to call it by its name, instead it's always worded 'Brussels' or 'Brussels' bureaucracy'.
NATO is currently showing its huge power of deterrence. Orbán is in fact harmful but not yet blind to see that simple fact. Even his supporters are reminded literally every day that NATO membership in this location is a privilege for which complete nations would risk themselves.
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· 1 day ago
Hungary
Lol, why the fuck would be do that? That just means less money to steal and most likely an instant switch in power.
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To be honest, i wouldn't even be suprusied if he started to lay the groundworkd for removing Hungary from NATO and EU.
That was my first thought too, when I read about his speech. Made me quite worried.
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· 1 day ago
Not Slovenia
Belgium looooved to be neutral before WW2. Guess what happened then?
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Also, yesterday Trump praised Orban and put his “complete and total” support by him, and called for him to be reelected.
That says basically everything you need to know about Orban.
I do hope that my fellow Hungarians can oust that piece of shit autocrat this time around.
Hungary can’t afford to be on the wrong side of history yet again, due to its shitty leaders.
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· 2 days ago
Europe
I remember when Tusk wasn't regarded as a great politician but he sounds pretty sensible now
I wonder if he would make a good president
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· 1 day ago
Europe
I remember when Tusk wasn't regarded as a great politician
I wonder what your definition of "great" is because Tusk was always at least OK since he started his political career in 1989 (and even before because he was involved in the anticommunist opposition).
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· 1 day ago
Europe
When that was? In 90ties? I barely remember him then he was in KLD later in UW.
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I wouldn't like him as a president. He would be great improvement over what we have right now, but let's remember he is still a conservative catholic neoliberal. Poland sure needs someone more progressive.
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Tusk has been my favorite top EU level politician. He understands both the west and east and is not naive. Sadly most German, France and Benelux leaders have been noncharismatic soft - good time leaders if You will. Now we are back to harsh times and soft sleepy Borells just do not cut it.As for Orban´´ s case - he is pro Putin and nepotism, as I understand he has put a lot of family members and relatives in public positions and use it for financial gain, many times through EU funded projects so Hungary has dropped the ball here.As an Estonian the same time I understand why this happened, we also have a risen far right party and it was also in power(goverment) for 2 years - 5 or 6 minister changes through public scandals, lovely times (1 minister managed to stay in office until the goverment broke and new had to be chosen). Ironically many populists rose to power through the Syrian refugee crisis and now we have the biggest one ever through our local dictator Putin who Orban loves.
Please do not vote for populists, they are hollow assholes who bait you into some kind of bullshit dreams, just vote for the boring non corrupt decent politicans and You will be ok, maybe once in a while a Tusk will come along but You will notice him anyway, sheldom there are many. In Estonia we had one Lennart Meri (first president for reindepence) and we quote him since.
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🇭🇺🇺🇸 in 🇨🇦
It's quite probable, but it's still worth the time to vote against him. At least his majority should be reduced, for whatever that's worth.
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For how stupid he sometimes seems, Orban absolutely masterfully used the refugee crisis to rally support for him and his party.
And he was also clever at taking over Fidesz and becoming its single leader. I know a co-founder of the party when it was politically quite different to today
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· 1 day ago
Bulgaria
Tusk can go f himself, in Bulgaria he supported the government of one of the most pro Putin politicians in Europe, who made multiple decisions against the interest of Bulgaria and EU, and for Russian interest. Tusk didn't say anything about that, he is a filthy hypocrite.
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Viktor Orbán's campaign speech on Hungary's national day had several troubling aspects.
He essentially declared Hungarian neutrality, talked about Russia and Ukraine as if they were both responsible for the war, and then this: evoking well-known tropes about the "you know who".
PM Orban of Hungary:
In NATO but not taking sides
Good people on both sides.
Jews are war profiteers
Nice.
https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1504072188693000197
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· 21 hr. ago
HungaREEEE
Orbán's media quite literally victim-blames Ukraine and doesn't care about the war or the fact that it's purely Putin's aggression.
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We are going to try, but I am sure they are fully prepared to cheat their way through the elections :( This government is the deepest shame for so many Hungarians, believe me.
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· 1 day ago
Reorganizing...
Not Hungary, per se, rather Orbán, and his supporters.
Orbán has an "Openness to the East" campaign, where he is looking for allies in the east. Kazakhstan, Russia, Turkey, China, etc.
Russia and China especially. Don't mind the fact that he considers himself "anti communist" and back when he was in opposition really hated when then-PM met with representatives of either of those countries.
In the case of Russia, he wants "gas deals" where he can claim he gets it cheaper for the hungarian people, in exchange for small favours of course, especially vetoing on anything in the EP that would harm Putin.
Since the Ukraine war started he tries to sit on both horses with one ass, acting as an ally of the west, but trying to end the war at all means necessary, and not participating in the war (blocking arms transfer for Ukraine, despite being NATO ally not sending troops, no matter what, etc. - he's trying to be neutral) - not because of the ukranians, but to please Putin. One example is his voice on "these sanctions don't work, it just makes gas prices go higher, don't let Brussels have the hungarian people to pay the price".
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In all the ways Orban is acting like changing laws and constitution so he can gain more power (and stay in power longer); control over the media; manipulating the judiciary system; etc. All examples of interfering with democracy and core values of EU.
You might ignore all these and continue to believe Orban propaganda but the reality will hit you - it already is. Hungary forint suffers the most pronounced depreciation among central and eastern European countries - even bigger than Ukraine.
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· 1 day ago
The Netherlands
Why are people downvoting this? It seems just like a genuine question.
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I fail to see how Hungary had the most pro-Putin government in Europe compared to France or Germany, against which Tusk wouldn't dare to even squeak. Especially if viewed in 8 year timeframe since 2014 war in Donbass and Crimea.
Tusk is running his own election campaign already.
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· 1 day ago
Hungary
Hungary is nothing compared to Germany or France, whatever they do has a thousandfold more influence in Europe. However that doesn't mean any of them would be more pro-Putin, Orbán is literally the guy who says one thing to the EU reporters and the opposite to the Hungarian ones.
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· 1 day ago
Poland
France & Germany are not pro-Putin. They just do whatever is in the interest of their countries. People need to understand that. They wanted cheap natural resources for their massive economies. They wanted to exploit Russia not to support Putin.
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· 21 hr. ago
Lower Saxony (Germany)
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· 1 day ago · edited 1 day ago
The fucking optics of that.
Tusk spent 5 years as president of the EU council and he's presided epp since. So he's a top eu politician. Now the EU has a serious democratic legitimacy problem with "you can have elections, as long as you vote the right way". See constitutional treaty elections, Brexit, Orbàn, etc. No one sees a problem with playing into this narrative by having one of the three most recognisable "EU policician" faces go to a rally on a national election and tell people how to vote?
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bratanki is paid by Soros
FTFY.
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You seem to be on track for getting enraged, so that'd probably be a more natural development for you.
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· 1 day ago
Europe
In Hungary the concept may have become suspect, but Tusk is exercising freedom of speech here.
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>>Tusk urges Hungarians to vote out “most pro-Putin government in Europe”<<
How can Hungarians vote out the German governement? Because that's the German governement, not a Hunagrian one, which has been responsible not only for NS2, but also for shielding the most important Russian banks from being cut from SWIFT.
German voters can possible do it, but not Hunagrians.
But I didn't expect anything less from this clown.
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· 22 hr. ago · edited 22 hr. ago
but also for shielding the most important Russian banks from being cut from SWIFT.
So was Hungary along with Germany, Austria and Italy. Hungary only switched sides after meeting with the Polish president the Saturday after the war.
At the moment I'm pretty sure it's the same four countries blocking any gas import bans for the EU and as far as I can tell Italy is the only trying to get gas from other sources.
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Orban isnt pro-Putin government at all
Yeah, thats why he is praising Putin every single time he can, and pushes Russian propaganda on every state owned media outlet.
Could anyone tell the reason why is Orban Pro-Putin? What he should do?
Leave.
He has been licking Russian ass for more than a decade. He had twelve years to distance Hungary from Russia, but all he did was steal EU money and become the most pathetic lapdog of Putin. There's nothing that he can do now, because he's been a corrupted two faced shitsmear his entire life. The only thing he can do is to gtfo and leave the fucked over country to people who may be able to salvage it.
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· 1 day ago
Bucharest
as he voted all the sanctions against Russia.
I don't think Hungary would have fared very well in the EU or in NATO had they refused the sanctions. Even your best friends the Polish people would probably hold resentment. He didn't have a choice regardless.
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Hungary
Opposition numbers are falling ever since they started communicating about the war. They really have no idea what their idea is about this issue. Government on the other hand is concentrating on that we have to stay out from the war, keep it safe from the economy's side and we need to support the refugees coming through the border.
It is always strange to watch reddit when it is about Hungary, it is like looking at an alternate reality.
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What are the chances of Orban getting take out to the trash by voters? How is his support? If he gets voted out, it would send a very strong message to both other nations with far-right populist, and a message to Putin as well.
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· 1 day ago
Hungary
I think you were watching Orban’s speech. Opposition voters are pro-Ukraine.
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He's the leader of the biggest opposition party in Poland. If they win the next election (unlikely), he'll propably become a prime minister.
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