Found the internet!France ready to discuss 'autonomy' for Corsica, minister says
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Hah. I saw a poll once where there was majority for Corsican independence everywhere in France except for on Corsica.
Autonomy and independence are very different things though. I've read the brief and France is only willing to give some degree of regional autonomy but it would stay a subject of France. Defense, law enforcement, justice and foreign policy would stay in the hands of Paris
Amazing. So many upvotes for something that is plain wrong. Only a third of french people favorable to independence of Corsica according to those polls: https://www.ipsos.com/fr-fr/un-tiers-des-francais-favorables-lindependance-de-la-corse (1999) https://www.ifop.com/publication/les-francais-et-la-situation-en-corse-apres-lagression-dyvan-colonna/ (2022)
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Congratulations on your choice of username. You sure you are Piemonte and not from Veneto?
To clarify even further, Corsica already enjoys acertain level of autonomy.
What they want is probably just more money.
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Corsica gets +25% local autonomy until 16th of March 2032.
He can always twist laws and use them 'creatively' to stop it. Spain did it against the Catalan independence movement and nobody really cared...
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To clarify independence is probably not on the table.
Autonomy in the case of French institutions generally means that the region in question is given a specific status allowing them to have more decision power on their day to day organization while still being a part of France.
We will probably know more in the weeks to come unless it’s just an empty promise made by this garbage human being.
Autonomy in the case of French institutions generally means that the region in question is given a specific status allowing them to have more decision power on their day to day organization while still being a part of France.
Which is already the case for Corsica.
I don't think it would be really fair to blame everything on Darmanain. The Corsican leaders are also garbage.
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Possibly the same strategy than the one who was used in Guadeloupe some months ago: drowning the demands by pushing forward a radical narrative.
Just to be clear, the corsican that wants independence, hate this kind of comment
We shou8ldf sell it off, it is a bad asset.
I'll settle for a lifetime supply of piedmont roasted hazelnuts, 20 bottles of top Sangiovese wines per year in perpetuity and a fully paid holiday per year in tuscany during the autumn mushroom season.
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Home of the most famous Frenchman!
Edit: Just want to say that I didn't attempt to tap into the theme of these posts, but I'm glad I did. :)
Thing is that Corsica is already a region of France and whilst not an overseas region, the overseas regions have exactly the same status as the regions of metropolitan France. It would kind of mean a new status for Corsica or perhaps New Caledonia is comparable which is a sui generis collectivity.
I’m betting nothing will happen and it’s all empty bullshit before the elections.
Disclaimer: I’ve been wrong many times before.
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Remember that elections are near. I don't see a scenario where they really do it.
I agree. Those politicians before an election are just hilarious. It's when they promise things that they are the best.
If you want to look at autonomous/regionalist movement in France, Burgundy and Normandy are not in it. If you remove the proto-movement with less than a few people in there. You have :
Corsican
Breton
French Basque
French Catalan
Savoy (very small)
Nearly all of the French overseas region have autonomous/regionalist political movements.
The mainland regions have a lot less autonomy than their equivalents in Spain or Germany, so decentralisation would be no bad thing in itself.
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how convenient: 7 years with independentists leading Corsica's institutions, discussing with Paris, and no result.
The assassin of a prefet gets assaulted in a jail in Arles = days of violence in Corsica = oh hello autonomy.
Remind me when the presidential election is?
other specific things that cannot be solved region-wise.
I started to suddenly see Home-Owner-Associations (stories of you read in Reddit and just laugh), but regionally. The shivers...
Definitely. And I advocate for autonomy (including fiscal autonomy) in every region of Europe, trying to mimic what Switzerland is. That would provide much more responsibility, efficiency and accountability to the local governments and more manageability to reach a confederation in Europe, which we really really need if we want to persue a true defensive alliance in EU.
The thing is that the people in local politics usually do not have the skill and knowledge someone in national politics has, which usually ends up with them making more populistic choices but not necessarily better ones. Another thing is that smaller regions do not end up having enough money even if the national government supports the region. Which either ends up in the region merging with a larger region to make it more feasible to sustain and losing the closeness to the people or regions will grow apart in wealth and policies which will cause inequality to grow. Lastly, people in lower governments are also more prone to corruption due to their position being less exclusive, lower wages and their earlier mentioned qualification. On the other hand, I do support autonomy in some way too. But I think there are a lot of things (physical/mental health, social welfare, public transport etc.) that we are better off leaving nationalised as in local politics there just isn't the money, knowledge and resources to manage such things.
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I mean, the Corsican one is very very distinctive. One black dude head over white background; easily one of the easiest I know. They never make it into independence, but if that happened it would be one of the most easily recognisable flags
Autonomy? They do whatever they want over there already, just leave them alone /s
Being from southern France I know a lot of Corses:They are full of hot air and nothing will happen. We should just tell them to fuck off as usual
That's a mindset similar to what the French had with Algerians.
Is he trying to win votes in Corsica? But how many will he lose inside France? Would it heal europe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe
catalonie , Basques, Cosica, Nothern Ireland, Kosovo, Transitrie, and many more
Reading through the UK entries was certainly wild. Expected the obvious big ones, knew of fringe Northern English/ Cornish indie movements and thought I knew everything but no, we wont be happy until we’re balkanized 5 times over apparently.
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Fingers crossed this is not just words. France is ridiculously centralized and I’d love for Brittany to jump on the autonomy wagon, economically and more importantly culturally (linguistic policies for Breton, etc.). It would be a dream to be like Wales.
Based, maybe it would also push the public opinion in Italy to finally federalise, which should have been done after WWII.
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TLDR : Elections are in 1 month, Macron is trying to make gifts randomly to get a bit more votes
Why not ? Let s give a territory which cost us money and problem, to a EU country where we can continue to go in vacations freely if we want to. As a french person I am for the Corsica independance but not for the same reasons than Corsican
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So conquering thing = colonization now ? Alright boys, let’s give independence to literally everything in the world
Crypto advertisement account for a year and then suddenly starts making stupid and uneducated comments about Colonialism in r/Europe, hmm I smell a sold account being used to stir up trouble
Not France the government. That will very likely not happen because of a small thing called Constitution and it's has been said they fucked up letting an islamist prisoner kill an independentist detainee .
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Let’s just give then independence from France. De facto out of the EU, Schengen and eurozone. Then let’s see how they cope all alone.
Why do they want more autonomy or independence? Are they treated that badly? Independence is completely ridiculous tbh. I don’t know how their economy works but I think that tourism is #1. If another pandemic hits… well Corsica would be destroyed.
Technically, we are talking about being open to discuss about the possible change of the corsican status that can be inspired by the French Polynesian one where you still are a part of french territory, with French Police and Army (Corsica is housing a French Foreign Legion base and an force one).
The difference is that they can chose their fiscal laws but have to deal with social and health expenses.
Anyway, it will be a loooooong negociation and an even longer process (we can imagine 3 successive referendums spaced by 2 years in 10 years) with other local election will happen where the "Independantist" party may be rejected by the population (they can say what they want, corsican are as french as they are corsican).
Thus, it is a larger move from the central french gov to discuss with local population in overseas territory about what they really want for their future : it's up to them.
They don't want independence. They want mainland money and spend it as they wish.
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Corsicans are some of the rudest cunts I’ve ever met. I’ve been going to france every year often twice or three times and those pricks are fucking idiots.
Autonomy, not independence.
Weird. Without Polish separatists you'd be living in either Greater Germany or the Russian Empire.
A good number of Corsicans want more autonomy, a much smaller group wants independence, but something sure is that almost no one there wants to be part of Italy.
Bro even the separatists don’t want unification with Italy
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No because it will still be a part of France, but autonomous.
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