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Average American Voter
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Joe Brandon needs to quit messing around and pull the giant lever that says stop war on it
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· 6 days ago
Janet Yellen
He needs to use the button that says stop inflation, then we’ll be good
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He needs to seize the means of gas production to lower gas price, or else we shall call him a commie.
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Just sign the executive order that says Russia isn't allowed to bully me anymore >:c
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I overheard someone in a store say “as a taxpayer I didn’t consent to this war”
Like oh okay let’s get Pooty Poot on the horn and tell him Donna doesn’t approve
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· 6 days ago
Immanuel Kant
I honestly can't believe how well he handled it. I mean, with his experience in the area, I would have assumed he'd do a decent job, but this is some top tier shit.
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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago
Lord of the Flies
I love trashing Biden but he's done an exemplary job here.
Edit: Adding more detail:
Biden (and by extension the Johnson admin and NATO leadership) have been outstanding. They warned the world (against the FP establishment) of a large invasion, engaged in tons of admirable diplomacy, sold weapons to Ukraine, threatened proportionate sanctions (and got EU to do the same), got Germany to shelve Nord Stream 2, made incredible use of megaphone diplomacy (pre-empting and exposing Kremlin disinformation), got Poland and Romania to take refugees, and offered to help Ukrainian insurgents in the event of an invasion.
They also basically live-fed intelligence and military tactics to the Ukrainian leadership during this invasion, and sanctioned the Russian Central Bank, which blows a hole in Putin's foreign reserve scheme. Most of all they got the EU united, and helped Germany do a full 180 from its appeasement tendencies. This is like A tier foreign policy.
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· 6 days ago
Asexual Pride
It looks good. But, I'ma wait a little bit before I declare success.
I don't know enough in the field of economics or warfare to know if all the celebration is warranted, hopeful posturing or blatant gaslighting.
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· 6 days ago
Friedrich Hayek
Same, normally I love bashing Biden but he has been excellent here
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I think America has gotten to the point where they demand a President that is also entertaining.
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Jesus Christ - I’m totally the opposite. The more boring the better.
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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago
John Keynes
What do you expect from a past administration that was literally a circus in the White House?
We went from Barack Obama deescalating the Crimea crisis with sanctions to a guy who got impeached for blackmailing Zelensky because he wanted to find evidence to slander his opponents son.
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This is honestly why conservatives loved Trump. They don't give two shits about legislation or foreign policy, they just want their president to 'own the libs' or whatever.
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· 6 days ago
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That's why it's such a shame that Arnold Schwarzenegger can't be president.
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Unfortunately they do, or at least they have no sense of tradeoffs. You see the same thing with economic policy- polls will show voters simultaneously favor increased domestic spending, lowering taxes, and balancing the budget.
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· 6 days ago
Abigail Spanberger
Of course. Just look at voter turnout differences between presidential election years and midterm years. The median voter blames the president for everything and doesn't even know who represents them in Congress.
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· 6 days ago
Commonwealth
Well, at this point, most see the president as a king with a term limit.
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The median voter thinks you just asked if he can get his dick up.
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Only when there’s bad news and they voted for the other guy.
That’s not even reductionist, that’s literally how people think. It’s as stupid as it sounds.
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Yes. I personally blame both of the Roosevelts for that nonsense.
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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago
Raghuram Rajan
Americans still think the president of the US can prevent people from declaring war halfway around the world.
Biden's handling is considered bad not because if his response to Putin's aggression, but because of his perceived inability to manage Putin's territorial ambitions and prevent the war from happening in the first place.
As long as Americans continue to overestimate America's power, influence, and reach in the world, they will continuously shit on their leaders for anything that looks like less than perfect outcomes in any part of the world.
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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago
and prevent the war from happening in the first place.
Not saying you're wrong, but this especially pisses me off with how many people were saying Russia wouldn't invade and that it was just the media beating the war drums, despite Biden repeatedly telling us, "Yeah he's gonna invade."
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· 6 days ago
Abraham Lincoln
Yep this isn't new. See people getting mad at Truman for "losing China" to the communists, as if he had the ability to stop them from winning the civil war.
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· 6 days ago
TraNATO
Americans still think the president of the US can prevent people from declaring war halfway around the world.
And then they complain vociferously about 'foreign entanglements' and 'allies that don't appreciate us' when we do exercise the considerable power we as a country have in the geopolitical sphere.
The only thing that may have even potentially stopped this conflict was if we garrisoned troops in Ukraine. This isn't a measure I'm advocating, to be clear, but that's absolutely the only measure the US had to do much of anything. If we had done that the backlash about "forever wars" would have been louder than a freight train derailing in an explosives plant.
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Biden: Putin put those tanks away or I swear to GOD!!! Putin: I don't wanna Biden: one..two..three Putin: fine I'm doing it in doing it
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This is what frustrates me. Was Eisenhower weak because Russia invaded Hungary during the 1956 revolution, and for not intervening because he didn't want nuclear war? Was JFK weak because he didn't stop Russia from deploying missiles in Cuba?
Shit pisses me off. This united response to this kind of scenario is exactly what I envisioned when I voted for Biden in the primaries. He's making it look easy.
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· 6 days ago
Austan Goolsbee
You would essentially need a massive military setback in a conflict that the US cannot retreat from that also temporarily affects the standard of living.
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· 6 days ago
Ben Bernanke
Was browsing arr conservative a couple days ago. They literally believe that Trump projected himself as so unhinged that Putin would be worried that he might hit the nuke button if he invaded Ukraine (no comment as to whether or not they think he's that insane). Or that Trump would have stopped Nordstream 2 (no comment about how Germany immediately turned it off). It's so weird.
E: also "well they didn't invade under Trump" maximum tier cope
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Well and what’s worse, as discussed on todays episode of Pod Save America (don’t crucify me), is that the right wing propaganda apparatus has a vested interest in promoting this bullshit argument.
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As long as Americans continue to overestimate America's power, influence, and reach in the world, they will continuously shit on their leaders for anything that looks like less than perfect outcomes in any part of the world.
This makes its seem like the reason people are critical of Joe is because of a logical response based on an illogical assumption of American exceptionalism - the problem with this conclusion here is that even the greatest power in the universe couldn’t stop a mad man (Putin) from doing something illogical. On top of that, how this is currently playing out makes it look like American power and influence is greater than it has ever been before. Even in the “good ole days” of the past century American power was just one of two great powers. But where things stand right now the US looks to be in complete control and Russia appears incredibly weak - the US is actively choosing not to flex its more powerful military making Putin look far weaker.
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I wish someone would ask these critics what they would have done different?
I honestly dont know anything America could have done to prevent this war.
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· 6 days ago
NAFTA
Americans still think the president of the US can prevent people from declaring war halfway around the world.
Would a tripwire deployment to Ukraine several weeks ago have not done that?
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· 6 days ago
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Yet in a striking sign of how deep partisanship continues to run in the U.S., just 3 percent of 2020 Donald Trump voters are willing to say President Biden is “doing a better job leading his country” than Putin. Nearly half (47 percent) of Trump voters say Putin is doing a better job than Biden, even as Russia’s economy threatens to collapse under the weight of crippling global sanctions.
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Biden just needs to go on TV and Tweet like Trump.
People (Americans and otherwise) aren't going to read the press releases that the WH releases and they don't trust cable news to accurately report things. Just speak to them directly and simply.
"We've implemented very strict sanctions on Russia! Putin is a very weak leader who will regret invading Ukraine!"
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· 6 days ago
NATO
Yeah, he could even just say what he did and it would be entertaining:
"Putin thought if he invaded Ukraine the US and its allies wouldn't agree on strict sanctions. That we're divided. But, I got on the phone with our friends across the EU and told em enough is enough from this punk. We gotta hit him hard in his wallet while the Ukrainians hit him hard with our guns."
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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago
I feel like Dems don't realize that they don't have real media allies and they bank on them to hold the GOP accountable, properly explain Government functions, and carry their messages for them.
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· 6 days ago
Jerome Powell
So rather than going away from trump and any morons of his ilk we wanna go back to it where we clap to the best tweeter? No thx
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Unfortunately, playing to the American audience can interfere with working with leaders and populations in other countries. I'd prefer he stays focused on rebuilding the liberal order.
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It's not really hard to understand...most folks (yet alone voters) neither pay attention nor care about any of this.
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I honestly don't know what the hell the average American wants from Biden at this point. He did everything they said they wanted. He didn't go directly to war with Russia. He supported Ukraine and sanctioned Russia. Yet they also say he didn't do enough. Do they somehow think that all Trump would have had to do to end this war would be to call Putin on the phone and request, in his Sigma male commanding voice, to stop?
I hate American voters.
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· 6 days ago
Adam Smith
Democracy truly is the worst form of government (apart from all the others we've tried).
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· 6 days ago
Paul Krugman
Biden may have failed to unite America but he united the entire West in turn including Switzerland. Read that again. Switzerland !!!!
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Whoa hold up, neutral money laundering safe haven had an opinion on geopolitics for once?
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· 6 days ago
Bisexual Pride
Inside the mind of the average American voter:
"Ugh, the media is still talking about Ukraine? Why hasn't Biden made that go away yet? And now I can't afford to refill my Ford F-350 Super Compensator. Let's go Brandon!"
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· 6 days ago
Finds Peter Griffin funny
Besides “but her emails” the other right wing fallback is “but the gas prices!” 🦈
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One of my coworkers said the invasion is proof that Biden is weak on foreign policy. I really wish they could explain what he should be doing differently or how someone else would be handling it. Most people just insist on some variation of "better". Though one was actually said that Trump would have pledged not to allow Ukraine into NATO and would have pulled US troops out of the region to ease hostilities. I'm not sure they are wrong, he probably would have done that, just not with the outcome they are expecting.
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Op · 6 days ago
Jerome Powell
Per the article above:
Yet in spite of this consensus, just a third of Americans (34 percent) say they approve of how Biden is handling “the situation with Russia and Ukraine.” Nearly half (48 percent) disapprove, and 17 percent are not sure.
I exaggerated a bit with the percentage in the meme. But still wild that Americans agree on essentially every actual policy decision that was made… but are still double digits net negative on Biden’s handling
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· 6 days ago
Frederick Douglass
Kind of. There are two polls, one collecting data before the war even started and the other collecting while opinions on Biden were low even in this sub. Biden has only started getting credit these past couple days in this sub and the news in major ways and obviously polls covering that won’t be out for about a week.
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This is entirely based on vibes and not data but I think 50 percent of Americans just will say Biden bad regardless of what he does. The other 20 percent either want troops in Ukraine (pretty stupid), or are just misinformed on conflict and aren’t really following it.
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Biden should just have been stronger. If he were stronger, then the invasion wouldn’t have happened.
What do I mean “should have been stronger”? Well, he should have just shown strength.
/s
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· 6 days ago
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Unironically he should have just tweeted a bunch of mean comments about Putin.
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· 6 days ago
YIMBY
Poll: how do you think Biden is handling this?
Americans: TERRIBLE!
Poll: what do you think Biden should have done differently?
Americans: [uncomfortable silence]
The same can be applied to just about any political issue. This is such a frustrating trend in general in American politics — everybody's got LOUD and PASSIONATE opinions about politicians and their associated parties, but when you remove the tribal "team sports" aspect and just boil it down to policies and decisions, most voters have no idea what to think.
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Poll: what do you think Biden should have done differently?
Leftist Americans: Cancel student loans!
FTFY
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· 6 days ago
NATO
it's only been a few days since Biden's strategy actually started paying off, why the shit are you guys acting like a poll coming out now is gonna reflect any of that consistently
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We're not mad at what he's doing, we just wish he would do it with a little more zing. Get the guy a cowboy hat and some cocaine ffs.
/s
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· 6 days ago
NATO
Not even the /s that’s about the only thing he could do. If I was a politician announcing this stuff I’d be wearing a team USA hockey jersey from when they beat the Russians in 1980, with an Uncle Sam hat on and a Harley.
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So many want to not like Biden and disapprove of him but if you start questioning them on any concrete, specific examples they almost never have anything specific. Most people just say very high level, generic claims that are hard to measure or they make claims that aren't actually Biden's fault, would be the same issue if Trump were president/did it, or just unrealistic.
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That should be a wake up call that the reported Biden approval ratings are total bullshit. The last one I saw said that 86% of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Biden’s handling of the crisis. Yeah, no kidding. So Biden has a 14% approval rating amongst Republicans.
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· 6 days ago
Asexual Pride
Bullshit or not, approval polls are more or less the way we pick our leaders.
The midterms are going to be rough.
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It appears to be a fairly consistent trend for Americans to not support boots on the ground until they are actually on the ground.
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The man has literally crippled Russia - even if they take Ukraine, they can't afford to hold it at this point. All without firing a bullet. Russia has already lost.
People were giving Biden tons of shit that sanctions don't work. He stuck to his guns on this - he knows Russia and he knows foreign policy. He's been tactical about what levers to pull and it shows. And what did it cost us? A couple cents more at the gas pump? Versus billions of dollars in military costs? I'll take that in a heart beat.
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· 6 days ago
NATO
He’s handling it well but the way he is doing it is to woke for me. No thanks. /s
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The problem is that the average American needs to be told over and over and over what Biden is doing or they're just going to think he's not doing anything.
I really believe they feel that if he's not on TV talking about it daily, he's not doing anything about it. All those meetings he's having, conversations with Ukraine's president? Aren't happening.
In some ways, I think Trump got that. He got that you can own the narrative if you got out in front of the camera every day and monopolize the discussion. The problem is that Trump was just really horrible at it. He'd go out and make things way worse (see his COVID press conferences).
But I think Biden does generally well in these moments and I'd say to his press team, get him out giving daily briefings and answering questions.
But that doesn't seem to be his style. So, 60% of the country who are only passively following this think he's not doing enough.
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I think Biden’s bad polling on Ukraine is the fruit of the Afghanistan debacle. People don’t follow foreign policy closely when it doesn’t directly involve Americans so the stink of incompetence from Kabul is sticking to him despite him handling the Ukraine situation (imo) as well as could be reasonably expected of any president.
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Yeah, people looked at Afghanistan and were like "man this guy doesn't know what he's doing" and they looked at Putin invading and thought "yep he still doesn't know what he's doing." They support what he's doing now, but to them it doesn't make up for the fact that Putin invaded in the first place.
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I was absolutely furious about how badly Biden botched Afghanistan while petulantly disclaiming any responsibility whatsoever in the bloody aftermath.
I also think he's done decently well for the Ukrainian situation other than the awful foot in mouth moment on "minor incursion" at the beginning of the crisis. I further believe that Putin wouldn't have rolled the dice if not for Biden's shameful post-war communications that amounted to a victory lap over the bodies of abandoned American allies.
I guess it's nice that his administration learned from its shambolic, appalling failures the first time around, but this shouldn't have happened.
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Given how well most Americans understand basic geography they're bound to have some pretty bad opinions on foreign policy in general.
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I refuse to believe Americans are this ignorant
70+ million voted for Trump
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I wouldn't be surprised if a huge percentage of Americans could even point out where Ukraine is on the map. American citizens just don't care about other countries unless if directly effects them.
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I refuse to believe Americans are this ignorant.
How does finding Biden’s presidency thus far to be subpar make people ignorant? What happened to free market of ideas, commerce and tacos?
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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago
I’ve been watching the media coverage of the Ukraine situation on various outlets and they seem to focus mostly on the suffering of the Ukrainians (understandably) but hardly mention the sanctions/NATO coming together and Biden’s role in it. I imagine that contributes to people feeling like he’s not doing enough? A lot of it is behind-the-scenes stuff that isn’t exactly flashy on TV. Meanwhile all people are seeing is Ukraine getting bombed.
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· 6 days ago
Mary Wollstonecraft
They love everything Biden’s done, but he doesn’t play a populist cartoon for them on TV, and that’s unforgivable.
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· 6 days ago
Milton Friedman
Jesus. This is really worrying, voters might give the Presidency over to Trump again '24 because Biden couldn't imperius Putin to stop him and becauase gas prices are high and clearly that's Biden's fault.
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Not my top pick but I 100% stand by Biden and his actions concerning Russia.
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"Biden is doing everything I want him to do and it's not stopping Putin so that must be Bidens fault, not because Putin is an irrational dictator"
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The average voter is, as they always have been, dumber than a box of hammers.
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I never understand the disconnect and dissonance between people that support 90% of what is going on but still disapprove of Biden’s performance.
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Can we stop over analyzing every poll that shows up in the media nowadays? I know that data is important and all but I'm really having a hard time seeing the point.
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· 6 days ago
European Union
Not American so maybe it's got to do with how the situation is being reported?
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As if most voters know anything about the conflict at all, tbh, besides what they saw on Instagram.
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· 6 days ago
NATO
I support sanctions and don't want Americans troops on the ground. I still disapprove of Biden's handling because I want sanctions to be harsher.
I know it would hurt average Russians the most and I don't care. The sanctions should cause local unrest to the point where Putin has to choose between a war with Ukraine or avoiding a civil war at home.
Of course, if a pollster asks me if I approve of Biden, I'm going to say yes because I gotta back my boy Joe.
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· 6 days ago
Austan Goolsbee
But what if it increases gas prices and you can’t drive your truck as far without losing your money for beer/chicken wings?
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538 podcast talked about this and basically they agreed with this comic with one caveat, which is that it's too soon for polls to accurately reflect how most Americans feel about Biden's specific handling of the situation since Russia actually invaded. A lot of Americans don't give 2 shits about foreign policy 99% of the time first off. Secondly, the last time Americans could find a shit to give about foreign policy, it was Afghanistan, which they roundly disapproved of. Put that together and it's likely that a ton of Americans don't actually have a strong opinion on how well Biden is handling this situation as of the time they talked to a pollster, and just defaulted to how they felt about his foreign policy last time around, which was shitty. Basically they said give it a week or so, the polls could easily change if the general media and social media zeitgeist is that Biden is doing a good job here and it's a big enough story in America for people to actually pay enough attention to change their view on Biden's foreign policy chops in general or at least give him some credit for this situation in particular.
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· 6 days ago
Immanuel Kant
I don’t think it is yet time for applause. Though I agree that things are going well so far.
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I know this sounds like a cop-out but this is honestly the Republicans’ fault and they’re doing it on purpose. Historically you got the “rally around the flag” effect in these situations because the opposing party would temporarily lay off the criticism and work with the President to resolve the situation, and so the country would feel united around the president. But of course the Republicans have decided not to do that this time, instead to keep criticizing him because they don’t benefit from a “rally around the flag”, and hence Biden gets no boost in popularity.
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Here is the question I have that never gets answered.
If you are pro American intervention are you willing to send your kids first?
Make no mistake. The same people we as a society say cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol because their brains are not evolved enough. Are the same people that we as society will give a rifle to and send to die.
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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago
It’s almost like some people dislike Biden for one reason and other people dislike Biden for a completely different reason 🤔
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· 6 days ago
NATO
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· 6 days ago
Daron Acemoglu
And it wouldn't have happened, if it wasn't for those peaky foreigners and their own agency...
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It should have never happened in the first place.
Explain how it could've been stopped without full scale war
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United Nations
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· 6 days ago
NATO
No no, war good if GOP war bad if other, Biden bad means Biden bad even if policy good because Biden bad
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· 6 days ago
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Yeah keep blaming the voters. It's going to work as well this year as it did in 2016
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It might be carryover from people’s feelings about how he’s basically backed out of a lot of his campaign promises. Just sayin
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The problem is Biden is unable to captivate with his oratory skills. It sucks that charisma is a part of the job description but it's also the truth of the way things work.
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Pretty sure its 70% disapprove of his job as president overall. It doesnt help that its so blatantly obvious that hes literally walking towards the grave every time he comes out to speak.
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· 6 days ago
Pansocial ordoliberal numbers guy
They don't want things to be good, they want things to be normal.
This ain't normal.
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Sanctions should be renamed "Canceled countries" and then they'd get it. ;P
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Just gather 2000 rednecks who hate Russians, and just air drop them and their Ford trucks to Ukraine and let them run wild. They'd be back playing banjos with victory in 2 weeks
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There is a multinational unit leaving to ukraine soon actually and is being adopted by the ukraine military. This similarly happened during the Spanish civil war when both Germany and Italy backed the dictator at the time and other nations backed the one that was “good” (this is the extent of my knowledge on this
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2Today while astral projecting I summoned Putin to try and weaken him so our hexing spells would work better.
He is so fucking weak. I was right at a power level to do this alone. He barely escaped with his life and is now spiritually injured to a great amount, though I think he'll make it.
I can't imagine what an old, experienced witch would do to him. He's scared that he will have to face me again soon if I ever want to continue astral projecting. He's currently burning national currency and drawing spiritual energy from bombing civilian infrastructure to try and heal as quickly as possible.
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Unceremoniously dumping this thought here since r/showerthoughts is explicitly apolitical.
It's a silver lining for anyone that despises these types as much as I do.
I genuinely feel for ordinary Russians who are going to bear the brunt of this. Still, the thought of Putin's paid shills and liars standing anxiously in line at an ATM brings a smile to my face.
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33I live in Russia, and I served in Russian Army (752 Guard Motorized Infantry Regiment, which btw is now actively fighting in Ukraine), as part of mandatory military service, for 6 months before being decomissioned due to bad health. Ask me anything about the state of things in my military base (spoiler: it was not very good).
Edit: This exploded unexpectedly. Going to sleep now, I will answer all remaining questions tomorrow, unless I'm fucking arrested.
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