>>22871 >Putin orders the use of Russia's armed forces to maintain peace in Donetsk and Luhansk Ebin. Would be better though if there wasnt a risk that I will become a state mandatedslave soldier at gunpoint.

Daily reminder that Ukraine is a fake country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plgg9sSLRvQ

>>22871 To armchair geopolitics anons: >How far will Putin actually penetrate into Eastern Europe >What will be his demands for peace >Are there any chances Ukraine, US, NATO or that new anti-Ruskie Eastern European group push back >Will there be internet shutdowns on either sides of the conflict >How long could this last >What are the chances of Sino-Taiwanese war while this is going on >When will prices go down again

>>22875 based

>>22871 >Interfax is reporting on two large military columns with armored vehicles in the DNR. Presumably, these are the first official Russian forces to enter the Donbas. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-0825-59/https://twitter.com:443/RALee85/status/1495892325775650820 >BREAKING: The Biden admin has ordered all remaining State Department personnel out of Ukraine. The embassy had previously relocated from Kyiv to the western city of Lviv. Now they are shifting to Poland. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-0826-07/https://twitter.com:443/JenniferJJacobs/status/1495896613386133512 >Senior Biden aide, on press call, declined to say whether more Russian troops entering eastern Ukraine would constitute an invasion. Because Russia has had forces there since 2014, it “would not itself be a new step." https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-0826-14/https://twitter.com:443/OKnox/status/1495893943896182792 >NEW: In a conference call with reporters on responding to Putin, and what comes next, a senior admin official suggested that Russian troops in Donetsk/Luhansk *alone* may *not* warrant the "swift and severe" sanctions the admin has been previewing. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-0827-08/https://twitter.com:443/AliRogin/status/1495892855705022464 >By moving Russian forces first into the separatist territories, Putin will likely be looking to see whether this results in the entire package of full-fledged sanctions or if it will divide Europeans and Americans about whether this constitutes an invasion. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-0827-25/https://twitter.com:443/PaulSonne/status/1495881291392499712

>>22875 How so? Ukrainian identity and language developed from the 9th C. onward. It's developmentally distinct from Russian, and so are Ukrainians. Don't tell me you buy into that UN created Ukraine spiel.

>>22879 t. borderland hohol

>>22876 >How far will Putin actually penetrate into Eastern Europe Short term? Taking the more Russian side of Ukraine gives him a buffer and an easier time, even if the CIA attempts constant bullshit in the region. Long term? NATO is weak but Putin can't do much until it collapses to move any further West, at least in that direction. At that point just intensify efforts on nearby Non-NATO countries and Africa. >What will be his demands for peace Probably the same as it is now, but also an end to the fighting. The West will not accept any demands and it'll be the formal start of the new Cold War as Russia becomes complete allies with Iran, China, and India for survival. >Are there any chances Ukraine, US, NATO or that new anti-Ruskie Eastern European group push back The USA surely isn't retarded enough to start a nuclear conflict by being directly involved. But Russia also knows the US, as it screams it like a broken feminist, that it will help support guerilla groups in Ukraine. No doubt the other nearby countries will help train and supply weapons as well. But no, they won't necessarily directly push back unless retarded Russian soldiers attempted to pass Ukraine. But no doubt the commanders are being told to avoid this at all costs that they would rather shoot their own men then let the West have an excuse to shoot the Russians. >Will there be internet shutdowns on either sides of the conflict Naturally. Expect RT and other Russian news to be blocked in the West as the propaganda starts pouring in. >How long could this last Putin doesn't want a long war. There'll be guerilla shit for sure, but the actual war itself will be days if not weeks. Any longer and the Russians failed. Sure the Ukrainians have shiny new weapons, but how many know how to use it to the best effect? What percentage of their force are quickly trained militia? >When will prices go down again Never. Too many disasters piling on to supply chain issues. Also groups like OPEC have a monetary incentive to keep prices high, while Russia and China will want to do their best in countering the West's sanctions with damage of their own.

What's the news/pol backup for cafe/k/ in case the site gets kiked?

Hey nothingburger I can't hear you over the sound of Russians invading! >>22876 >How far will Putin actually penetrate into Eastern Europe As far as it takes. I imagine he wants a land bridge to Trans-Dniestra and might annex Moldova peacefully. If you mean further north, I think he'll initially take Kiev, return it as part of negotiations, and then make the river the next geographical boundary between nations. Unless Ukraine does something incredibly stupid that's about as far as Russia can push. If the Ukrainian response is so terrible they can push further west than Kiev, he might just gobble up the whole country and try and pull Hungary in as a "neutral party" to negotiate a peace deal. >What will be his demands for peace Either security guarantees for NATO or control over the entirety of Ukraine's Black Sea region effectively cutting them off from ocean trade. Some US officials believe he will ask Ukraine to confederate so that he can bite off little chunks at a time through the democratic process. >Are there any chances Ukraine, US, NATO or that new anti-Ruskie Eastern European group push back There may be limited responses from Eastern blocs. There will be no response (well, there will be an impotent response) from the US or NATO. China has stated in everything but name that if America joins this war they will invade Taiwan, and a two-front war would shatter American world hegemony leading to civil war in America and Canada. NATO may rally around the UK, Poland, and Romania as a driving force for the war, but America will play a minor role at best in such a situation. >Will there be internet shutdowns on either sides of the conflict If there aren't already. >How long could this last If Europe doesn't collectively respond to Russia? A month or two at best. If Europe decides to start WWIII over this? Potentially a year or two before the drain on finances fucks over Western Europe beyond repair. They won't be able to handle the refugee crisis alone from Ukrainians fleeing, let alone the economic impacts. >What are the chances of Sino-Taiwanese war while this is going on Very likely if America becomes involved. Otherwise China will save their forces for when Russia is weak before taking any daring actions. >When will prices go down again Never ever. Oil might go down in a month if this is the end of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but if things escalate any more or Nordstream 2 is officially sanctioned, we're entering hyperinflation time.

>>22873 I wonder how much backlash a draft would get. Considering how easily people conformed to getting vaccinated most are already succeptable to brainwashing and would have job security from the military. Though i'ld imagine mass civil disobedience for a while would it put the administration under enough pressure to back off knowing that the Russians would exploit it. Or incite it.

>>22879 Ukrainian identity developed separate from the 9th century onward. Ukrainian language might as well be Russian. You can't read Ukrainian knowing Russian and vice versa, but in terms of speaking they're so intertwined that you half-know one just by knowing the other.

>>22882 16chan.

>>22884 A draft would be a pretty terrible idea for America. In Ukraine it would just result in draft dodgers. Russia has no need to do a draft since they already conscript young men in many cases as part of their coming-of-age.

>>22884 Given that Canada declared martial law to deal with a few truckers, I think you're overestimating how easy the less-compliant US would have it.

>>22885 Why do people keep saying Ukraine is made up, when Ukrainians have a longstanding farming culture and identity-they incorporate it into their flag-and those proud oo? They don't want to be harassed by snoots from Russia or Poland, and have done so for centuries. In fact they've killed to retain autonomy against factions that don't appreciate their work ethic, who try to look down on them. >>22886 You're kidding right? 16chan is 8chan mass shooting waiting to happen all over.

>>22889 >and those proud oo that they're proud of*

>>22889 >Why do people keep saying Ukraine is made up Partially Russian propaganda, partially jokes in the same line as "Israel is not a country" and "Poland is not a country" jokes (that is, Ukraine exists because other countries protect their existence) , and partially because Ukraine is more like a giant ball of different ethnicities all packed into one region and agreeing on a national identity because they hate everyone else more than they hate each other; much like the Baltics and Caucuses.

>by occupying Donbass, Russia places Ukraine in a state of border dispute and they're therefore unable to legally join NATO Can anyone confirm if this is true?

>>22893 https://archive.is/Lkami No such requirement exists. In the charter the only real "prevention "is article 11 which is a political decision for NATO members to induct a new member in. If NATO wants to induct a new nation into their ranks they can at any time and would at any time regardless of the country's political situation. It should also be noted that article 5/6 of NATO doesn't require direct military intervention. It only requires military assistance (which can be economic, training, or logistical). Russia is likely interpreting the West's actions as a test about invoking articles 5/6 by using a country that is not officially part of NATO but is being treated as a member of NATO as a staging ground.

Ignoring the answer of "pure hypocrisy", what is NATO's theoretical justification for saying that what Russia's doing on paper is illegal? Is the argument that the republics' claims of independence are invalid, and therefore it is illegal to recognize them? Is the argument that it is legal for them to claim independence, but it's illegal for external powers to recognize it until they and the parent country reach some sort of resolution presumably in the form of a bar that is vague and impossible to ever actually reach unless they want it to be reached? Or is the argument that recognition is legal but the "peacekeeping" is illegitimate? If a reporter in a press conference with Biden asked "what's the legal difference between this and the Kosovo intervention?" then other than dementia-induced ramblings, what would the official answer be?

>>22895 >what would the official answer be? Kosovo was brown.

>>22895 They were working off the Minsk agreement which the UN has since torn down from their website. Here is an imperfect English. translation. Russia's claim is that Ukraine violated most of the sections of the Minsk agreements and therefore they are allowed to go in under international law to protect minorities. The UN is going to claim that Russia violated Article 2 subsection 4 of the UN charter. >4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations Of course, since Russia is on the Security Council and the Security Council must vote to expel UN members for violation of the charter, their hands are kind of tied. You're going to see everyone abandoning their charters and treaties over the next year until the conflicts are over followed by attempts to blame the other groups for violating international law. As it stands the Russians are probably going to win this one unless China stabs them in the back.

>>22895 >what would the official answer be? >'MERICA! >Muh exceptional nation! >Muh Putin is an ebil strongman that hates gays! Something along those lines.

Point being, NATO is going to hide behind the UN to get a resolution and when that doesn't work, they'll put troops right on the border of Belarus, Moldova, and Russia hoping to threaten them. It will be interesting if the Poles and Belarussians get uppity and pick a fight since that would give NATO casus belli to intervene in Ukraine.

>>22894 Apparently it exists as a custom and not as a requirement: >Key to selling NATO members on the proposal will be dispelling the myth that Georgia cannot join the Alliance until the issue of its disputed territory is peaceably resolved. This is a common misconception that has its roots in the 1995 Study on NATO Enlargement carried out by the Alliance. A closer reading of this document shows that a territorial dispute does not necessarily prevent a country from joining the Alliance. Here is what the study says on the matter:  >“States which have ethnic disputes or external territorial disputes, including irredentist claims, or internal jurisdictional disputes must settle those disputes by peaceful means in accordance with OSCE principles. Resolution of such disputes would be a factor in determining whether to invite a state to join the Alliance.”12 >While it is in NATO’s best interest that any outstanding border disputes be resolved before members join the Alliance, the last sentence of the aforementioned paragraph clearly states that the resolution of such disputes would be “a factor,” and not the factor, in determining whether to invite a country to join NATO.  https://web.archive.org/web/20210722132212/https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/nato20-2020/end-the-russian-veto-on-georgian-accession/ Of course acceding Ukraine would probably trigger WW3.

>>22897 >Of course, since Russia is on the Security Council and the Security Council must vote to expel UN members for violation of the charter, their hands are kind of tied. Russia is a permanent member of the UN anyway so it can't be expelled. >You're going to see everyone abandoning their charters and treaties over the next year until the conflicts are over I expect that too? >>22900 >Of course acceding Ukraine would probably trigger WW3. What's the chance of a conventional WW3 or a conventional + battlefield nukes vs a stategic nuclear WW3? I'm really curious. One of the big selling points of MAD has always been that it makes the world more peaceful since no one will commit to a full world war again as long as at least two opposing forces both have atomics.

>>22884 The only effective way to start a draft in America is to have an attack against America. Which is either goaded into like Pearl Harbor, or fabricated like Gulf of Tonkin/The Maine. >>22901 Direct war between nuclear powers is too theoretical that we will truly find out when its too late. But the obvious problem with a conventional WW3 is unless there is a stagnant front like WW1, how does the war not end in nuclear hellfire? Would it even take particularly long? You have Israel/Iran, India/China/Pakistan, Russa/Europe, North Korea/South Korea. All powder kegs that may just launch nukes as the first strike or if invaded. Then the question is, do the other nations stop when that happens or partake in it as well? Certainly a popular idea is that everyone starts using their own arsenal before the chance of being targeted and eliminated comes to reality.

>EU SANCTIONS PACKAGE ON RUSSIA INCLUDES NORD STREAM 2, AUSTRIA SAYS -RTRS https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-1456-13/https://twitter.com:443/Fxhedgers/status/1495999576138186754 There it is.

>>22900 >Of course acceding Ukraine would probably trigger WW3. It won't. Russia already did that in 2014. Nobody cares about Ukraine. Nothing will happen. As always.

>>22905 >says shit that makes no fucking sense so he can avoid the bad thoughts

>>22905 >Nothing will happen EU plans to pass Nordstream 2 Sanctions. At bare minimum that means Germany better hope it's a warm winter and officially the only reason Russia was holding back was because it didn't want Nordstream 2 sanctions. The oligarchs are going to want results from Putin now that they just lost millions in investments and soft power.

>>22903 Well better hope that you all have enough cigerettes, booze and 40mm filters to go spelunking during the nuclear winter. Maybe if we're lucky it will be a quick decisive exchange leaving one power standing and the other a wasteland to be explored.

https://archive.is/ZlC4y >Europe gets nearly 40 percent of its natural gas and 25 percent of its oil from Russia, and is likely to be walloped with spikes in heating and gas bills, which are already soaring. Natural gas reserves are at less than a third of capacity, with weeks of cold weather ahead >And then there are food prices, which have climbed to their highest level in more than a decade largely because of the pandemic’s supply chain mess, according to a recent United Nations report. Russia is the world’s largest supplier of wheat, and with Ukraine, accounts for nearly a quarter of total global exports. For some countries, the dependence is much greater. That flow of grain makes up more than 70 percent of Egypt and Turkey’s total wheat imports. >This will put further strain on Turkey, which is already in the middle of an economic crisis and struggling with inflation that is running close to 50 percent, with skyrocketing food, fuel and electricity prices. >Ukraine, long known as the “breadbasket of Europe,” actually sends more than 40 percent of its wheat and corn exports to the Middle East or Africa, where there are worries that further food shortages and price increases could stoke social unrest. >Lebanon, for example, which is experiencing one of the most devastating economic crises in more than a century, gets more than half of its wheat from Ukraine, which is also the world’s largest exporter of seed oils like sunflower and rapeseed. >Also fueling inflation fears are possible shortages of essential metals like palladium, aluminum and nickel, creating another disruption to global supply chains already suffering from the pandemic, trucker blockades in Canada and shortages of semiconductors. >The price of palladium, for example, used in automotive exhaust systems, mobile phones and even dental fillings, has soared in recent weeks because of fears that Russia, the world’s largest exporter of the metal, could be cut off from global markets. The price of nickel, used to make steel and electric car batteries, has also been jumping.

>>22903 >how does the war not end in nuclear hellfire By not pressing the war straight into the enemy capital and giving them a conditional surrender rather than forcing unconditional surrender just for humiliation purposes and cultural infiltration. Like most European wars pre-WW1 ended. Basically, let them honorably bow out with only minor loss of land. As much as I'd like see Russia pushed beyond the Urals and without nukes, it's just not realistic that we'll rid Europe of them this time round. >>22904 >Russian economy gets fucked >German urb*nites become popsicles, removing leftists from power Couldn't turn out better.

>Hit of #Ukrainian army truck by the #DNR troops with #ATGM The Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that they lost 2 soldiers https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-1629-35/https://twitter.com:443/islamicworldupd/status/1496006442909945859

>>22901 Nuclear war is a meme and MAD is just an excuse for those in power to not let the little guys realize they can build and defend themselves with tactical nukes. Russia and NATO want a good clean conventional war to test out their weaponry. I don't think nukes are on the table unless NATO manages to both justify entering the war and blitzkrieging their way to Moscow.

>>22913 This is the dumbest post I've seen on /k/ in a while.

>>22913 >Nuclear war is a meme and MAD is just a Stopped reading there

>>22884 Considering that I am pole and there are now 10 million upaininans here yeah, I am fucked and will be made a slave at gunpoint most likely, all to defend these nigger monkeys that try to replace me. I will fucking shoot to my own the state has been proven to be the biggest threat to me and my nation.

>>22884 You just know BLM would throw a hissy fit if they were asked to give up their own people to the slaughter machine of war Ironically, I think the american left wants the draft just so they can throw the more patriotic parts of the right away from the country while they enforce their social programs, like they did during the world wars or 'nam. >>22895 >Is the argument that the republics' claims of independence are invalid, and therefore it is illegal to recognize them? Every single independence referendum in Europe is treated as illegal or rigged no matter what, look at the hissy fit Spain threw at Catalonia despite the majority of the Catalan people wanting to leave (justified paranoia as they could gobble up parts of France too). European nations are so desperate in keeping the status quo that they became non competitive with the rest of the world. >>22903 >>22901 I think Nuclear warfare is a complete impossibility for two reasons. Any country that shoots the first nuke will immediately be declared war upon by every single other nuclear power, including their allies, for jeopardizing the fate of the world (AKA the geopolitical status quo), though I don't think they would get nuked back unless they shot a second volley. Secondly, the moment the threat of nukes come into the picture, that is, when the territorial integrity of a nuclear power is at stake, both parties will much rather white peace and get some concessions back for all their troubles than risk non-existence. I can only see nuclear warfare happening for real if a nuclear power is basically about to collapse AND gets invaded at the same time (think an American civil war while Russia / China / Mexico move troops on their border as well). But even this is something most countries probably already took into account and the only people crazy enough to do something like this are the Chinese Communists.

>>22916 I cannot speak for the rest of the world but European states are the biggest threat to Europeans than any other foreign country to be honest >>22911 There is also the angle about how everyone is already calling a win for the Russians but we still don't know how a modern conventional war in Europe may play out. For all we know, the Ukrainians could very likely just make it impossible for ground troops to move further inwards by sheer determination and sabotage alone.

>>22875 Putin is so based and trad the Russian population is getting replaced by Caucasus immigrants.

>>22896 Is it really? they're muslims, but european muslims no?

>>22919 In your coping imagination? You have any stats to back that up or are you gonna just lie?

>>22921 >but...but people on /pol/ told me so, r-russians aren't white, my grandfather who fought in luftwehrmachaffe told me so

>>22911 >it's just not realistic that we'll rid Europe of them this time round. Frankly, I'd be much happier 'rid'ing Yurope of the kike usurpers and the mudshits of peace. That would be a significant improvement to the quality of life for everyone else involved. That outcome would be a much more effective example of >'Couldn't turn out better.'

>>22914 Ok, boomer. Go read the thread since you're clearly an outsider: >>13445 >>22915 The radiation stops being air-toxic after three days, stops being deadly toxic on the ground after two weeks, and nuclear winter is heavily overstated; see volcanic eruptions. Life already returned to Chernobyl. Nuclear is a meme. It causes mass destruction which triggers politicians, but the actual long-term harm of nukes is extremely low.

Since it's now a well established fact that NATO vs [country] is entirely for the benefit of jewish pockets, can someone explain to me how the kikes grow richer from this war?

>>22918 It's possible but not likely. Ukraine's air support is extremely lacking and their troops have very little combat experience whereas Russia's "core military" (the volunteers not the conscripts) consists of some 97% having seen combat and 70% having seen two or more battles. Yes, those are official numbers. Ukraine can probably hold the line at the river, but they will probably lose southern Ukraine which is poorly defended due to protecting Kiev which is already doomed if Russia goes balls-deep.

>>22924 Either you underestimate the economic destruction, or overestimate the ability of people to feed themselves if you drop them in a world without worldwide mass transport and petrochemicals. If you blow up the world's couple largest cities, far from going full-out, you end the modern world economy. No modern economy, no tractors, no chemical fertilizer, no GMO seeds, barely any modern seeds (there's four large companies that produce most of the seed worldwide, and it's not a stable strains, so you can't harvest seed from it and expect the same traits), little to no electricity, little to no running water, little to no water filtration, etc. Just because it's not radiation killing 90% of humanity doesn't mean it won't kill people.

It's now confirmed that Nord Stream 2 will not be certified. RIP Yuropoors. Also MLRS systems being deployed in Eastern Ukraine.

>>22917 >Catalans wanting to leave. Nah, spaniard here, after the 9 seconds republic now they just want gibs, a special economic status like the basques and let them LARPing. That´s why they are in coalition with the current government in exchange of things like Pozzflix in their meme language. The most near Donestk-esque thing they have ever do is burning more trashcans in protest for some rapper "expresing himself" while advocating for laws against hate speech. Autonomy system was a mistake, we should either centralized or federalized 100%, not this nonsense that doesn´t satisfy anyone.

>>22927 >If you blow up the world's couple largest cities, far from going full-out, you end the modern world economy. No retard, you simply end a bunch of retarded urbanites. The world economy doesn't rely on muh big cities.

>>22927 Actually, I'd say just Jew York city would do the trick, actually. Just a big cargo container nuke at the dock near Manhattan would be more than enough to do the trick, it wouldn't need to be an expensive-ass ICBM clearly traceable back to it's source. This is basically why the Islamists have been attacking it repeatedly, they know it's the key to the globalist kike hegemony around the world.

>>22927 >Either you underestimate the economic destruction No I work in a field that will be around regardless of nuclear war. >or overestimate the ability of people to feed themselves No, but far lesser disasters and cases of human intervention have the same results. I don't care about cityfags. >If you blow up the world's couple largest cities, far from going full-out, you end the modern world economy Yes, let something organic emerge. The world economy is already fucked. Why do you think Canada and China are pushing for a great reset? It's not because of Jews. Well, it's Jews trying to secure their property but the reasons have nothing to do with Jews.

>>22931 Jew York is dead. Their new shithead mayor is begging people to return to office work because Corona killed their property tax revenue from everyone doing remote work. New York is the least relevant they have been since the stock market collapse.

At a security council, the obvious is leaked. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0222-2358-31/https://ukraina.ru:443/news/20220221/1033331917.html >“I support the proposal that the DPR and LPR will become part of Russia,” Naryshkin said. >After a clarifying question from Russian President Vladimir Putin, Naryshkin said that he supported the recognition of the independence of the republics.

>>22929 >Autonomy system was a mistake, we should either centralized or federalized 100%, not this nonsense that doesn´t satisfy anyone. This, this so much. It makes no sense to force the majority to follow a rule and allow for gibs or autonomy for a violent/vocal minority. Either every man is an island or no man is an island.

>>22933 Yet they are still the primary world center of financials and other industries. Weird, huh, Anon?

>>22936 >The world center for- That would be Brussels, Singapore, and formerly Hong Kong. New York has been irrelevant since the 2008 crash. Or perhaps rather they have been a beast cannibalizing their own and everybody else jumped ship already. Why do you think the federal reserve is so unwilling to allow the housing market (which investment firms moved in on to replace the stock exchange) to collapse? That statement is about as retarded as thinking Seattle is an industrialbase because of one airplane factory or Silicon Valley is somehow remaining in power when many are fleeing to Kansas City or Denver and just keeping legacy staff on the dime there.

>>22930 >what is fertilizer >what are pesticides

>>22937 >yurop >relevant I suppose time will tell which of us is correct huh? It's likely to happen IMO.

>>22938 In case you haven't thought this through, industrial mega farming isn't needed without super-populated cities consuming vast quantities of without producing any of their own.

>>22940 Since you're willing to pontificate about the harmlessness of nuclear war with specific examples which anyone can tell are bullshit, I'm not going to take you at your word when you pretend to understand macroeconomics.

>>22941 I'm not the guy you were arguing with, I just agree with him. You should take a look at population maps sometime though. I have a feeling you don't understand macro-economics half as well as you think you do since you completely ignored the demand side of the equation.

>>22940 >nuclear war will make us revert to subsistence agriculture, but won't that won't harm the global economy

>>22943 >things that no one said

>>22940 I'm not talking about what's needed, I'm talking about what people are capable of doing. A modern farmer that's used to drive a tractor around, sow genetically modified seed, and spray pesticides/fungicides to stop pests and disease ruining his crop isn't just magically capable of driving an ox-plow, adjust his field's nutrients without chemical tests or fertilizer (those fields start drained before the chemical fertilizer gets added, and you can't just teleport tons upon tons of compost to them), or know what to crop with what to deter pests and disease. All of which would be academic to begin with because farms rely on supply lines to get seed. They don't bunker it. So how do you grow your fewer crops if you don't have seed?

Repostin with fixed links: >>22871 >BREAKING: The White House is now calling Russian moves on Ukraine an invasion — AP https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0135-25/https://twitter.com:443/ragipsoylu/status/1496133070084362243 >BREAKING-(Reuters) - Russia's upper house of parliament told lawmakers to reconvene at 1500 GMT on Tuesday, an unusual move after they voted to approve friendship treaties with two breakaway regions of Ukraine. It was not clear what they planned to discuss. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0135-37/https://twitter.com:443/phildstewart/status/1496138800266985483 >This is highly unusual - deputies of Russia's Federation Council recalled after the end of their usual working day for a 6 pm closed-door session (so, happening now) https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0135-51/https://twitter.com:443/markmackinnon/status/1496139568592076806 RUSSIA'S UPPER HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT VOTES IN FAVOUR OF GIVING PUTIN FORMAL AUTHORITY TO DEPLOY RUSSIA'S ARMED FORCES ABROAD https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0136-02/https://twitter.com:443/FirstSquawk/status/1496154488692158464 >BREAKING: the Duma approves the use of Russian military forces outside the territory of the Russia https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0136-13/https://twitter.com:443/AmichaiStein1/status/1496154864698728453 >Official resolution of the Russian Federation council for the approval of deploying troops aboard: https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0136-29/https://twitter.com:443/IntelCrab/status/1496157854918709248 >Putin has been given a blank check in regards to military deployment. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0137-22/https://twitter.com:443/OAlexanderDK/status/1496152847729283082 >RUSSIAN SENIOR LAWMAKER KLISHAS TELLS UPPER HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT PUTIN WILL DECIDE ON NUMBER OF TROOPS, TIMING, THEIR TASKS IF THE REQUEST IS APPROVED https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0137-51/https://twitter.com:443/FirstSquawk/status/1496151187938476032 >SENIOR RUSSIAN LAWMAKER KOSACHYOV SAYS PROPOSED DEPLOYMENT OF RUSSIAN FORCES TO DONBASS IS DESIGNED SOLELY TO AVOID A BIG WAR OF THE KIND THAT THE U.S. AND UKRAINE APPEAR TO WANT https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0138-02/https://twitter.com:443/DeItaone/status/1496152416533819405 >UKRAINE FOREIGN MINISTER SAYS DE FACTO, RUSSIA WITHDREW FROM THE MINSK AGREEMENTS https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0138-10/https://twitter.com:443/FirstSquawk/status/1496142692602249216 >PUTIN: MINSK AGREEMENTS WERE DEAD LONG BEFORE DONBAS RECOGNIZED https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1496159816481480708 >PUTIN SAYS MINSK PEACE DEAL NO LONGER EXISTS, THERE'S NOTHING TO FULFIL https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0139-04/https://twitter.com:443/DeItaone/status/1496160017023705090

>>22944 That is exactly what he said. He's saying that dramatically reduced farm yields that can't support a population of non-farmers would be fine, because the non-farmers are getting killed off.

>>22948 Yeah to be honest I kind of misread the conversation because I was distracted. I do think nuke war is overblown as a threat though.

>>22938 >What is fertilizer Something that can be produced anywhere. Chemical fertilizer is not some magical substance that has to be produced in cities. >What are pesticides See above.

>>22885 >Ukraine may as not be real because they have a similar language and culture >you need to have a distinct ethnic group and language to justify your autonomy Czechs and Slovaks are even closer than the constituents of the Kievan Rus and they decided to break up from each other. Tired of seeing history, culture, and language being viewed through the lens of modern nationalism when peoples didn't really fucking care and language wasn't even a barrier to culture like just as how many Poles and Ukrainians saw each other as two fellow tribes (while many didn't of course) where Sicilians and Venetians hate(d) being unified with Italy, don't consider themselves Italian, and at least the latter trying to break apart for years through violence and diplomacy. Uprooting, snuffing, suppressing, etc. out minorities like the Occitanians or Sorbs for example, who'd been living on the lands that fall within your border, you find to be pimples to your checklist of national woes is effectively just as bad when the Soviet Union (far more effectively and brutally) wiped out the Old Believers, cut up Turkestan, and forced nomads who minded their own business in the far east to abandon their "oppressive" culture and join the great revolution. So yes Ukraine deserves exist even though I don't side with them geopolitically especially since they hosted what were the last free Aryan men on horseback who refused any law imposed on them and carried weapons freely and whose descendants still lived on until the jews and Stalin starved out all of them to replace them with peasant retards from Russia. Why does Russia even need more fucking land anyway, they've owned Siberia for centuries and didn't even bother modernizing always focusing on conquering the west just like the Achaemenid Empire.

>>22946 Chemical tests are cheap and easy to do. Equipment just makes the process easier. We not only produce enough for America but overproduce to supply a significant portion of global produce. If global markets collapse all that will happen is food will be worth its real-world value instead of subsidized value and global trade will collapse. Oh no, mo cheap Chink plastic and no 10/$1 corn deals~ I'm American. Sorry to say but I care about my own country, not yours overseas. You are fucked. I am not.

>>22947 >Crucial moment as Putin says Russia recognizes its client states' territorial claims in Donetsk and Luhansk. That includes claims on cities like Mariupol. But expects that direct negotiations, which have never taken place, will solve the problem. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0211-16/https://twitter.com:443/Andrew__Roth/status/1496164276150718478 >DPR/LPR channels claiming escalating aggressions from Ukraine in both Donetsk and Luhansk. With Putin's position and authorization now clear, this is becoming critical. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0212-24/https://twitter.com:443/OAlexanderDK/status/1496167659934830594

>>22883 >Russians invading Is not invasion if they declare that land independent and then send peacekeeping friends.

>>22950 >what is an industrial base

>>22951 That's not what I said. I was pointing out that they are less dissimilar than Ukrainian propaganda would lead you to believe. I don't deny that regions have a right to self-autonomy. Ukraine refused to allow that (understandably because it was their industrial heartland), bombed infrastructure as payback when those autonomous regions weren't willing to have a boot on their neck, and then finally decided that Russian influence was better than Western influence, all of this taking place between 2014-2016. Ukraine were the ones who created this mess, Ukraine (as a proxy for America) are the ones destabilizing all of Europe and the Middle East, and Ukraine (as a country) are the ones who will pay the price. I can't apply a western lens to Eastern Europe. I don't think the Russians are in any way "right" or "based" in their invasion, but they are the only shot at peace (or at least the collapse of Authoritarian Western global hegemony creating wars around the world for the Jews and for cheap plastic/profits) that we have right now if they manage to pull this shit off. Global stability and an end to authoritarian imperialistic regimes will always be higher on my priority list even if I would rather support autonomy on the smallest scale, since autonomy on the smallest scale is to ensure that global stability and lack of authoritarian regimes, or at least the ability to easily flee them. Do you unuronically think I like the Russians or something?

>>22955 Something that got shipped to China 20 years ago with only strategic factories for national defense remaining domestically.

>>22949 But yeah this conversation is off-topic and pointless since I don't even disagree with anon that cities are overrated and that nuclear war isn't fundamentally in a different category of destruction distinct from conventional, it's just that the payloads are bigger, with exceptions like dirty bombs.

>>22956 >bombed infrastructure as payback when those autonomous regions weren't willing to have a boot on their neck Historically and culturally Donetsk and Luhansk are another Russian-dominant region of Ukraine and nothing special, one that probably came from the replacement population of the famine. Why does Russia need these two little oblasts when they have the ability to make another industrial heartland west of the Urals on their own territory. It's hard to believe they care about independence from the two and are nothing but satellite states or future oblasts for Russia. Russia and China will just replace America's (then China replacing Russia) short-sighted drive for profit with conquest being taken to its proper form again. It'll never end until all three of these cancerous states are nuked. >Do you unironically think I like the Russians or something? I did.

>EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computers https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0300-09/https://twitter.com:443/phildstewart/status/1496170434290724878 >Very unlikely Ukraine will agree to Putin's demands. One is that Kyiv recognize Moscow's annexation of Crimea, a total non-starter. Hard to see Ukraine negotiate with the DNR/LNR to give up its own territory: Kyiv refuses to speak to them on the grounds they are Russian proxies. >Meanwhile, Putin is drinking champagne with the president of Azerbaijan 10 feet apart, with a massive rug between them https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0303-38/https://twitter.com:443/maxseddon/status/1496170685038739457 >So things are already worse than I wrote earlier today. Russia recognizes much of Ukraine-controlled east of Ukraine as DPR and LPR. So either Ukrainian army leaves voluntarily or Russia will use force. https://megalodon.jp/2022-0223-0301-32/https://twitter.com:443/ABarbashin/status/1496166511077212163

>>22879 Ukrainian and Russian identities are not inherently separate things, they exist on a spectrum. Even the language spoken has different proportions of Russian and Malorussian words depending on location. All three Rus nations are one people.

>>22959 >Why does Russia need these two little oblasts I've laid out what each party has to gain or lose in this post last thread: >>22653 It's not about those two oblasts. It's about NATO being in arm's reach of the Caspian sea.

>kraut state television running non-stop Putin=Hitler propaganda Frag mich wer hier wohl zuerst zurückschießt. >>22931 >big cargo container nuke at the dock near Manhattan >nuke Regular fertilizer would work just as well.

>>22963 Did the German media do a 180 since Scholz seemed to be taking a moderate stance in the lead up to avoid freezing to death, or were they always fags?

>>22951 This nations are just a bunch of bureaucrats and elites imposing their own version of history/culture/language/laws onto people who might as well all live independently from one another. Remember, Nationalism was really effective against oppressive gigantic empires who trampled on the rights of minorities and private industry, until the nations themselves became oppressive constructs of their own. >>22956 >and then finally decided that Russian influence was better than Western influence It's sad to see that a free people has to exchange one boot for another. Crimeans are fucking miserable right now because the Ukraine would rather deny them water than let them be their own thing, and the Russians botched up every single economic development in the region. >>22963 How do people make these, there's some gold in these memes

>>22964 They were always anti-Putin fags, but even as of yesterday they would rarely go so far as to openly demonize him, usually they'd complain about muh democracy and muh oppressed opposition journalists/LGBTQIASDFBRAAP with Hitler accusations being thrown at someone else like Lukashenko the last ebul dictator in Europ. Now they're showing old footage from 2007 were Putin was dissin' da world orda by bringing his anti-semitic dog to a meeting with Mutti.

Weather report for Kyiv.

>>22967 Isn't that incredibly balmy for February in Kiev?

>>22938 Is time to farm better. https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=uUmIdq0D6-A

>>22930 drastically lowering pop density is not necessarily desirable, you fucking maoist >The Up to the Mountains and Down to the Countryside Movement, often known simply as the Down to the Countryside Movement, was a policy instituted in the People's Republic of China in the late 1960s and early 1970s. As a result of what he perceived to be pro-bourgeois thinking prevalent during the Cultural Revolution, Chairman Mao Zedong declared certain privileged urban youth would be sent to mountainous areas or farming villages to learn from the workers and farmers there. In total, approximately 17 million youth were sent to rural areas as a result of the movement.

>>22971 There's a difference between draining a population of working-class people and draining a swamp full of metrosexual cosmopolitan freaks who use more benefits than they pay into the system.

>>22954 >Is not invasion if they declare that land independent and then send peacekeeping friends. Isn't that what the US does a lot of times?

>>22963 >Putin=Hitler If only. >>22965 >How do people make these I think they use that face AI thingy that imitates face movement.

>>22976 Remember, our guys are freedom fighters, theirs are terrorists.

Zelensky has called up the reserves.

>>22979 The Ukrainian reserve forces number 250,000. The Russian Army has an estimated 200,000 deployed on the border.

>>22912 heh

>>22982 That post has big meme potential if the ball keeps rolling

>>22981 https://archive.is/lKL55 Hungary also moved troops to their border with the Ukraine in case the happening spills over.

>>22919 Caucasus people are based.

>02/22/22 on a TUEsday IF 2 RUSSIA INVADES!

>>22987 >if 22988 Russia invades

>>22942 How convenient. I explained why I ignored the retarded speculation, and I never claimed to understand macroeconomics, since I'm not the guy you thought YOU were arguing with.

Germany Responds to Russia, Halting Nord Stream 2 Pipeline! It's happpening! https://archive.is/4egtE After Russia ordered its military into Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz suspended a natural gas pipeline connecting Germany to Russia.

>>22988 Nice Hitler dubs.

>>22990 https://nitter.net/MedvedevRussia/status/1496107792331157508 >Канцлер ФРГ Олаф Шольц поручил остановить сертификацию газопровода «Северный поток – 2». Ну что ж. Добро пожаловать в новый мир, в котором уже скоро европейцы будут платить 2000 евро за тысячу кубов газа! >Welcome to the new world in which Europeans will soon pay 2,000 euro per 1,000 cubic meters of gas!

>>22992 Does this sudden escalation of the Ukraine crisis have anything to do with the large Lithium reservoir discovered beneath the upper Rhine valley last year? Are (((they))) trying to speedrun carbon nutrality or do they want to force the g*rms to burn the lithium as soon as it's extracted to generate heat?

>>22995 Don't know. I've been thinking about that as well.

>>22995 From the anti-Russia camp I've heard that Russia itself has about a few years' worth of young people until it completely crashes into itself and that if roubles outside of Russia are frozen, that's half of the Russian economy gone. Essentially it's a preemptive strike by both NATO (trying to sneakily grab and/or arm Ukraine) and Russia to survive the coming decade.

>>22921 >>22922

>>22999 >fucking tundras and taigas are decreasing in pop >major Russian cities are green >mudshits doing mudshit stuff Now do the same for your country

>>23000 I dunno man, all I see is Russian core regions that have big fertility problems.

>>23001 Demographics are a self correcting problem if you not a retarded politician who panics and imports half of Africa because muh fiat debt ponzi scheme.

>>23000 Still a problem. The only reason they've held Siberia so long is that nobody could oppose them. >mudshits Some of the whitest people I've seen from the Russian Federation come from the North Caucasus believe it or not.

>>23001 Anon, I got bad news for you regarding white birthrates

>>23002 Not when they're in freefall. Otherwise I agree.

>>23003 Chechnya is one hell of a drug.

>>22992 >Welcome to the new world in which Europeans will soon pay 2,000 euro per 1,000 cubic meters of gas! Can you convert those units into American?

>>23008 About 1400 chicken wings per 1130000 large soda cups of gas.

>>23011 my god

>>22992 >Welcome to the new world in which Europeans will soon pay 2,000 euro per 1,000 cubic meters of gas! How many rapefugees are going to die?

>>23008 About double the current price. Gasoline in Germany is about $7.50/gallon in American units right now.

>>23014 Isn't Lavrov talking about natural gas for heating, not gasoline/petrol/benzine (in Euro speak)? Nord Stream 2 is a natural gas pipeline.

>>23015 Yes, but he seems to be right that it's about double the current price. It's hard to find €/m³ numbers, since almost everywhere seems to give it as €/kWh instead, but I did see an article from November saying the price was a bit over €1000/m³.

>>22875 Die screaming vatnigger.

>>22967 The weather in Donetsk doesn't seem as agreeable though, unless they're dead set on keeping their timetables

Reminder that vatniks even fail at their own gayopping propaganda. Also, note that Russia has a military history of being deceptive. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHFyg_qTwhM

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Never underestimate the levels of Ruskie retardation. They think you're just as retarded as them.

Lastly, History repeats itself'a'plenty. Russia often pretends as if a much smaller nation is threatening it (Finland in 1939) and dimwits and midwits alike eat it up. Also brought to you by the people who found "the totally authentic stinger" back in 2014, which was intended to prove that the USA was covertly supplying the Ukrainian government with weapons. Problem was they copied their stinger mockup from Battlefield 3, spelling mistakes and everything. Just a reminder when the JewSSR invaded Finland in 1939. They did so because according to their propaganda, the Finns shelled a Soviet village with artillery when it was actually done by Soviet artillery, obviously, This should show that ruskies were completely fine with bombing their own people and other falseflag attacks to get a pretext for war. Familiar to the current situation, innit?

>>23015 Yes, but generally you send either low-sulphur or high-sulphur crude oil to the country who buys it, and then they process it into whatever you want in the country of question. I use gasoline as an example because it's all the same crude oil being processed in Germany so while gasoline isn't the focus, the same applies to gasoline as applies to kerosene, jet fuel, tar, etc.

>>23021 Cool story, bro.

>>23027 >immediate deflection Ask me how I know you didn't even bother watching the two videos.

>>23025 Natural gas is not refined from crude oil and Nordstream 2 was not going to carry crude oil. It was a natural gas pipeline. Natural gas is just methane, and it's separated from oil at the drill, not when the oil is refined.

>>23029 If you want me to watch your videos don't sound like an astroturfing nigger.

>>23030 It all comes from the same hole in the ground.

So, is it confirmed? Is the habbening finally here?

>>23032 Okay, but what's your point? It's still a natural gas pipeline rather than a crude oil one, so it's still not about "all the same crude oil being processed in Germany".

>>23031 >i don't know what astroturfing is: the post. >his retort is literally childish levels of "la la you can't make me" Even the metadata on the video confirms its a lie, quadranigger. Jesus Christ, you fucking suck at this.

>>23034 My point is that it's a close enough visualization for anons who don't know anything about the oil and natural gas industry to understand what 2,000 euros per 1000 cubic meters really means.

>>23035 All I know if you're not from here and you should take it easy, friend.

>All I know if you're not from here Nigger fuck off I've been here since jewlay, the first BO, and him getting replaced with the glownigger, and the site nearly getting fucked because of that faggot. If you want to play semantics, I've been on 8/k/ for a decently long time aswell, long enough to remember krautist's retardation too. Since its pretty obvious you can't come up with an actual counterpoint, I'll leave it as is.

>>23038 If you say so.

>>23038 Some of us just want to see Rus steamroll the borderlands and don't care about retarded shit like moral justification of intervention.

>>23018 DELETE THIS!

>>22999 >>23000 That's from 2010. Even though it looks similar to the ones of other modern countries, there's a clear imbalance with lower numbers of men than women. >>23013 Merkel is no longer in power, if the EU takes a bit hit economically expect all parties that are against rapefugees to come into power following the mass of Ukrainian fugees >>23023 I don't think people expect Russia to do well by sheer size alone, anon, it's just that they were the first to mobilize and have been doing that for a while while NATO is faffing around. It's no different to how Germany's success during the world wars came due to how they managed to organize an army and a strategy much quicker than their opponents.

>>22929 Spain is a not a real country, leonese bastard

>>23008 >>23011 POTD

>>22963 >Regular fertilizer would work just as well. Friendly reminder the dock was a jew bombing because it happened twice too the next days and shortly before, also the christian party leader died in that one for some reason.

>>22921 Proofs?

>>23038 > I remember his Google translated German clearly as if it was yesterday, PGTSD.

>>23017 >since almost everywhere seems to give it as €/kWh instead, but I did see an article from November saying the price was a bit over €1000/m³. It's in cost/energy b/c gas can be in all 3 different phases of matter. For instance, €1000/m³ for a cubic meter of uncompressed, sea-level pressure natural gas would indeed be an exorbitant price.

>>23021 lol. this entire post glows like a thousand suns. why do you niggers even gaf what we think here? we're basically a eastern yurope basket-weaving forum.

>>23052 still not half as bad as anime avatard

>>22875 >Supporting Putin. Russian Govt=Unworthy of trust Burger Govt=Unworthy of trust Chink Govt=Unworthy of trust The Bureaucrats of all EU Countries=Unworthy of trust That goes for every leader or member in any of those organizations, as well as any main stream media organization that exists within their borders. Not even non-main stream media organizations are worthy of trust as they seemingly come only in "controlled opposition" or "retarded fucknut" forms.

>>23033 In about a week or so, but with Nordstream 2 sanctioned there is no turning back.

>>23054 Yes but there's a difference between a physical threat based on mafia mentality and an existential threat based off collectively wanting you and your kin dead/genocided.

If the violence escalates is there a chance for Rumania, Hungary and Poland trying to reclaim some of their rightful clay from a collapsing Hoholistan and getting away with it?

>>23057 Russia wants to take Trans-dniestra if they get the opportunity so they could potentially freak out and go for land grabs as well. I think they will stay in place out of fear of NATO losing its collective shit.

>The age of owning land is over >Everything is through IP now Where do these people come from? Do they not understand how food gets to the table and think they can just solve all of theor problems with money? I keep seeing various pundits making this talking point.

>>23059 City slickers lost conception of "getting things to the table" so it's no surprise they forgot things and people live in land. But implicitly they might have a point about using your land better, which isn't that much of a case on a country where most of its land is frozen tundra or unarable mongol hell plains.

>>23057 Hungary is more upset of losing transylvania than anything, if they are trying to reclaim some of their rightful clay, I bet Hungarian governmemnt/miltary would at least shitpost about erdélyi/transylvania

>>23058 >>23061 >Ukraine and Russia go to serious conventional war >it goes about as well as expected for Hohols >Ukrainian government disintegrates Afghanistan style >Poland, Hungary, Romania send troops on a humanitarian mission to Ukrainian border territory they once owned in the past to better manage the huge wave of Ukrainian refugees fleeing towards central and western Europe while providing a strong deterrent against further Russian military aggression against starving Ukrainian civilians or something >NATO loses any international standing and authority it didn't even know it still had from lack of gas, hyperinflation, refugee crisis, chinked supply chains, honking, being a military embarrassment etc. >Poland, Hungary, Romania extend the length of their humanitarian mission indefinitely Could something like that happen?

>>22916 >my own the state has been proven to be the biggest threat to me and my nation. never a truer word spoken brother t. Bong

>>23063 >>22916 Bin that life

>>23057 Inb4 Polan asks Western Ukraine to become vassal because it's economically unsustainable on its own to attempt to form Intermarium

>>23045 I´m not leonese, but believe me. If any of those cucks get out it will become even more degenerate for us and we would still share the same peninsula, so better make sure your government don´t go even more full retard

So how is Germany going to keep the Ukrainian refugees warm when they have no gas? Also in America the Blacks and Natives (and to a lesser extent Hispanics) fight over who is the bigger welfare queen by committing atrocities against one another. Do you think we'll see Afghan Vs. Ukrainian gang wars in Germany? Like we see here in America between our minorities? >>23062 I don't know anything about that region, but from what I know of how governments work that seems accurate enough for what could happen.

>>23067 >Afghan Vs. Ukrainian gang wars I'd welcome Hoholfugees if they decide to form their own anti-niggermudslime vigilante force provided they keep their hands off of german kids.

>>23068 I don´t know, their brothers doesn´t seem so welcoming last time.

>went to buy some toast >toast costs 2 Eurodollars >when 3 months ago it cost 1,49 Europeso >when a year ago it cost 0,99 Euroshekels >when 20 months ago it cost 0,89 Euromibi >when 5 years ago it cost 0,59 Euromarks NATO will win

>>23069 That reminds me, how the fuck are Scholz and all the other dumb western European talking heads going to justify a large-scale military intervention in the Ukraine to the average citizen when state propaganda isn't running any hitpieces against domestic Russian minorities/immigrants? NATO can't afford yet another military PR disaster after the Afghanistan shitshow yet I don't see them having the willingness to defeat Russia in the field.

>>22889 >You're kidding right? 16chan is 8chan mass shooting waiting to happen all over. You are actually so stupid to belief that story?

>>22929 >>22935 >>23045 >>23066

Ukraine has declared a state of emergency for the next 30 days.

>>22981 250k reserves vs 200k veteran military. I wonder if Russia will call in the conscripts or keep this a voluntary war?

I don't care what happens exactly so long as the US and the west in general gets taken down several pegs.

>>23076 I am too, but only because I think the West needs a system shock to stop embracing authoritarian regimes domestically.

What do you lads think is more likely: world war 3, or cold war 2?

>>23067 Rural Germans all have a backup wood-fired oven in at least one room. They'll be fine. Urbanites though... >>23078 Cold War 2, obviously. Nobody is gonna risk WW3 to save Ukraine, and Putin isn't retarded enough to continue pushing into EU countries and actually risk NATO intervention beyond thoughts and prayers.

>>23079 >Cold War 2. That sounds exciting, despite the problems that will naturally arise from it. It'll be a good shock to the status quo I hope.

>>23078 Cold War 2 (technically Cold War 3). It lets NATO countries enact authoritarian doctrines against their citizenry to form an aristocracy among the political/business/military elite. They will only start a third (technically 4th or 5th depending on definition) World War if they are convinced that they are losing power and need to enact draconian policies back home while sending their ideological opponents off to die in war. It's about 4-8 years too early for them to start doing that. That being said there will likely be several hot war regional conflicts in the next decade. You've got Russia/Ukraine, China/Taiwan, China/Russia, Korea, Armenia/Azerbaijan, Venezuela/Brazil, India/China, India/Pakistan, and Pakistan/Afghanistan to look forward to even without a world war.

>>23079 >They'll be fine >Inb4 they confiscate the stoves or make chopping wood illegal

>>23078 >more likely: WW3 Putin - WEF trained Boris - WEF trained WEF - planned for depopulation Putin defends Eastern regions with military. Ukraine puppet government gets NATO/UN peacekeepers 'protection'. Situation escalates. Nukes used.

>>23082 If a lot of people start chopping and burning they'll probably do it because muh environment.

>>23082 >confiscate the stoves or make chopping wood illegal Didn't Leafland already do this in some fashion a while back?

What did they mean by this?

Ukies made it legal to own and bear arms for every citizen. And remember, some people live in the Zone.

>>23087 >the hueg battle at the end of Clear Sky will become reality best timeline

Why the fuck are so many retards shitting up the thread and why's it moving so fast? Did one of you faggots advertise k on 4pol or something?

>>23090 My guess is a combination of boards checking out the Ukraine conflict, and the fact that anon.cafe's /k/ is the closest thing to a news/happening board on the webring because the webring hates news/happening boards. If there is nowhere to discuss this war on their home board, and there appears to be at least a few anons who know what they are talking about, then people will flock to the board during a happening that is talking about that happening. See Canadian Trucker Protest news all coalescing on /animu/'s meta thread. Same shit used to happen to /liberty/ all the time back on 8chan.

>>23091 I like my shithole miserable but well informed and tidy. tvch.moe's /dup/ is the webring's pol and should be the retard magnet.

>>23092 >>23091 >>23090 >we're never gonna get the same combination of quality and quantity of old 8/k/

>>23090 > Did one of you faggots advertise k on 4pol or something? Almost certainly. >>22822 was made exactly as the same post got B&D'd from Smug for politics, and right after that was when the really blatant 4um posting in these threads started. It's entirely possible that one of the shitposters who usually targets Smug decided to go after /k/ for a change.

>>23093 It had already gone to shit after "permaban everyone I don't like" Greeceball was made a mod. You are feeling nostalgia for shit.

>>23094 Or anons are just having fun and you're jumping at shadows.

>>23095 I mean first and second exodus era

>>23096 Shitting up a thread with "cope seethe dilate" like happened at that time is not just "anons having fun".

>>23098 And you are the only one equating the rest of the conversations happening with two anons who kept taking each other's bait instead of ignoring one another. Cafe/k/ is very much Ancapistan. There are rules but you have to be really trying to get banned.

Russian sources are claiming the fighting has kicked off with the Ukrainian Army.

>>23091 >My guess is a combination of boards checking out the Ukraine conflict /monster/ reporting in.

>>23081 >Cold War 2 (technically Cold War 3) Wait what was technically Cold War 2 then?

>>23103 >i showed you my reserves answer me

>>23081 >Cold War 2 (technically Cold War 3). What was the real Cold War 2? >a third (technically 4th or 5th depending on definition) World War What were the other World Wars?

New rumor: Russian action will begin at 4:00 AM Ukrainian time, or in two and a half hours.

>>23105 also >captcha b0ba93

Western search engines are now providing English news articles when you type Russian characters into the search engine from a Finnish IP address. Ukrainian intelligence: Russia may carry out chemical attack in Crimea https://archive.is/Dvf6c >The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry reports that the Russian side may carry out a false flag in Crimea in order to blame Kiev >"According to our intelligence, probable provocations are planned at the Titan plant in Armyansk, Perekop Isthmus and in Crimea as a whole, and a terrorist attack or sabotage with chemicals is not excluded in order to accuse the Ukrainian side," the report specifies. Ukraine only letting people with Russia passports into Crimea Archive banned my IP for requesting this one: https://archive.is/FqkQR Kiev said that Russia closed the checkpoint in Crimea for Ukrainians >KIEV, 24 Feb - RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Lyudmyla Denysova said that the authorities in Crimea have stopped allowing people to pass from the peninsula to Ukraine and back, while, according to her, the Russian side explains this by the fact that the checkpoints were unilaterally stopped by the Ukrainian authorities. >"Only residents of the peninsula with Russian passports can get home unhindered. Exit from the peninsula is blocked. The Russian security forces explain this by the fact that allegedly the Ukrainian authorities have unilaterally stopped the operation of the checkpoint," Denisova wrote in her Telegram channel. >According to her, Ukrainian border guards and entry-exit checkpoints on the Ukrainian mainland work normally.

>>23104 Cold War 1. Cold War 0 was the Opium Wars, Manchuria, and 55 Days at Peking.

>>23106 >What were the other World Wars? Genghis Khan and arguably Napoleon.

>>23106 >What was the real Cold War 2? Perhaps anon is talking about either the years immediately after WWI (when the entirety of the West was fighting against communist uprisings) or even the Victorian era with Britain and France splitting the world in two spheres of influence.

US Secretary of State Blinken expects invasion tonight. Airports in Ukraine closed, runways blocked with tractors to deter possible landings. Meatball is getting spicy, nothingburger may have meat soon.

>>23114 >Meatball is getting spicy, nothingburger may have meat soon. My buns are ready.

>>23021 >>23051 >this entire post glows like a thousand suns Something more about its third image bothered me, and I just remembered what it was. Remember the Pentagon's embarrassing attempt at a meme? This is a bit more refined, blends in a little better, but it has the same bland stink to it.

Do you think we'll see T14s?

>>23118 Looks like they've started bombarding. Local cameras have gone offline.

Serious question /k/, if an actual war does pop off, will the western countries who stand against Russia institute a draft? If so, would you dodge the draft or would you consider joining your country's military at that point?

EXPLOSIONS ON STREAM https://youtu.be/H7ZbVufqW3s

>It wasn't a nothingburger It's time SHOW ME YOUR WARFACE

Legitimately surprised it is actually happening, it really feels like Russia has more to lose even if they win, but i must be missing something.

>>23125 Damn, that's a substantial cloud.

Alright fuckers, place your bets on how long will ukraine last. My bet is two weeks tops I'm just glad something is changing in the world

Fuckin' finally. Beem waitin' 8 fookin' years for this shit.

Also I wanna see some air-to-air action.

>>23130 A week in traditional army and months in terrorist/guerilla fighting

>>23118 HAMBURGER CONFIRMED

>>23124 There is no way that US will institute a draft. It's political suicide, especially for Democrats. >>23123 >THE USA HAS AN EMPIRE OF LIES OH SHIT! He going all in. Does he know something that we don't to make him act this strongly?

>>23133 That would be nice. I also want to see if either side uses drones to the same effect Azerbaijan did to win. I am sure there will be a lot of testing of weapons similar to the Spanish Civil War.

>>23135 No ham until tomorrow! Odds are the will be making speeches about muh democracy while the russians do peacekeeping.

>>23125 LOL

>>23139 NUKES WHEN?

>>23141 Less than two weeks

>>23141 *OUR FUTURE NEVER LOOKED SO BRIGHT*

What is going through his head right now?

>>23146 >>23140 Give them some slack, 8 years of skirmishes plus the Armenian nothingburger would do that to a person.

>>23146 save these posts

>>23124 I'm a conscientious objector to war and a recorded pacifist, so they would have a hard time drafting me. Even if they did I would shoot myself in the foot before I'd go to war with Russia.

>>23127 They did before Germany stopped Nordstream 2 flow. As soon as Germans stopped allowing natural gas to flow from Russia to Europe, Russia had nothing left holding them back since everything else is minor.

>>23136 Finland told him they were thinking of joining NATO so Putin lost his shit. He also called out George Soros in his speech, even though Soros usually pats Putin's head.

>>23124 only if i had a legitimate chance at pushing to moscow and blowing up the kremlin. would feel good to do something that the french and germans failed at. i don't particularly care for defending ukraine but russia/putin needs a kick in the dick to remind them that they should stay irrelevant

>>23154 Hohols seething. America’s time is over. NATO is toothless. Based Putin is the leader of a superpower

Will China take Taiwan? I only see it happening if US gets involved with Russia.

>>23141 Never ever unless it's tactical nukes.

>>23158 Only if America gets involved, yeah.

Where are you all getting info, if anywhere? I dared venture to 4cuck for the first time in who knows how many years, but i didn't see any humans posting there, and nothing useful.

>>23161 I read the news with a filter for most recent and last 24 hours. Combined with checking livestreams, using the Russian language to look up news, and there's that other anon who's browsing twatter for information too. Tim Pool is about a day late but a good commentary.

>>23161 https://nitter.net/OSINT_Ukraine https://nitter.net/IntelCrab https://youtu.be/ncfpk4OFkXE https://youtu.be/H7ZbVufqW3s

Looks like Flight Radar has removed all Ukrainian plane information. https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/iev

Kek, Ukraine will fall faster than Afghanistan did to goatherds

>>23165 And soon Russia will remove all Ukrainian planes.

Japanese reporters on the scene - don't even have their press credentials on. Any Russian greenmen anons are free to open fire on these combatants. Best.

I am both excited and scared. Right now, probably more scared than anything. This is the first time in my life where it feels like the future really has been uncertain, lads.

>>23170 >This is the first time in my life where it feels like the future really has been uncertain, lads. <Covid <Tech control <2007 Financial Crisis and the Recession <9/11 <Afghanistan War <Iraq War Were you born yesterday? I've seen my freedom being taken away every step of the way and I was already born in a pretty sterilized society filled with retarded norms. Soon enough I won't be able to smoke on my front porch because some cocksucker thinks it's harming the environment.

>>23170 Don't be scared, be happy Strelok! With how the world is in it's current state, this is surely to be the biggest happening for years to come.

>>23171 Is that explosion IN Kiev or is it taking place away from Kiev and you can just see it action from there?

>>23170 Funny, this is the most alive I've felt in years watching the collapse of Western hegemony in realtime.

>thoughts and prayers America is a joke

Christ is with you my Russian brothers. I'm listening to Americans cry and seethe, and I'm enjoying every second of it. God speed brothers

>>23177 They'll wait til all the Burgers are awake and announce the full suite of sanctions. It'll just further justify a complete invasion as Russia would have nothing to lose finishing what it started.

>>23175 Likely away from Kiev, but Kiev may get bombed very soon. At least the outskirts.

>>23175 No idea. I'm just grabbing these off Twatter. I've already seen a few spreading that I know are not real (that 2015 Tianjin explosion is making the rounds, for instance).

I just got a call from my dad. It seems the Democrats are pushing the draft right now.

This is the first time I've ever watched a war start in real time. And talked about it with imageboard users. This is fun.

>>23181 Encode your shit better.

>>23178 Silly anon, don't you know thoughts and prayers stop tactical ballistic missiles? >Deki is still alive and well What a chad

>>23182 >It seems the Democrats are pushing the draft right now. God they're dumb.

>>23124 only if i had a legitimate chance at pushing to DC and blowing up the white house. would feel good to do something that the japanese and germans failed at. i don't particularly care for defending rusia but usa/biden needs a kick in the dick to remind them that they should stay irrelevant

>>23185 >>23177 Fuck,meant first paragraph for this anon

>>23184 I'm just feeding twitter links into yt-dlp, not bothering to re-encode. What would you prefer?

>>23189 Something that doesn't call the mp4 an invalid webm when I'm trying to share it on other imageboards please. HEV 264 is good

>>23125 >>23124 IT FUCKING BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I'm living in a non-stated place in South America where you can actually own some firearms, should I be worried as to the outcome of the first real European war in 30-ish years, and the first war involving major powers in Europe in, like, Lord knows how fucking long? Think the primary thing I should pay attention to is how NATO reacts to this and, well, if Putin calling their bluff proves to be correct. Because if so, that opens up a lot of fucking room. And whether things turn atomic, that too.

>>23173 >Soon enough I won't be able to smoke on my front porch because some cocksucker thinks it's harming the environment. I wasn't able for some months because my front porch was in front of a clinical center and i almost went to hands with an old foreigner, but nowadays it seems not many care anymore. Don't smoke anymore either, tobacco has gone down the shitter in terms of quality and all the cool informal tobacco fields have switched to growing weed for cartels.

>>23195 >If I'm living in a non-stated place in South America Hitler? Is that you?

>>23195 Food and gas will probably get more expensive unless sanctions on Venezuela get lifted. Otherwise there's probably nothing to worry about in South America. Also be ready for the microchip shortage to get much, much worse since Russia supplies about half of the world supply of Palladium for microchips.

>>23195 Yeah maybe you should. Tensions are going to skyrocket as the US attempts to shut down the Russian economy. Then you have the wild card China that has to walk a fine line between supporting Russia and keeping afloat with trade with the US. Shit would really hit the fan if even China was willing to weather economic sanctions.

>>23124 I seriously doubt they'd call upon /us/ to help unless things REALLY got out of hand, but even in that case, I would probably give them the finger, grab my bag and go join some Russian-aligned volunteer force instead. The regime occupying the District of Columbia needs to be kicked in the nads, pushed to the ground, and then beaten to half-death before being brainwashed into something that will actually help their citizenry. Even if it means hundreds of thousands (including possibly myself!) die in a war I have little to no personal care for. >>23197 No comment.

>>23195 >should I be worried as to the outcome Shit is already expensive for good products, olive oil rocketed at thrice the price and if you wanted strawberries then good luck, maybe Colombia has a market there but all them fruits from eastern europe and pasta from Italy is gone now. Argentina makes some decent pasta but Brazil's versions suck major ass, they get this granular and pasty taste unlike the firm and refined italian quality. Other than that i don't think much will come into play in Latin America, in theory local market should go up a bit but due to globohomo it might be otherwise. Always buy local unless quality is leagues superior in the foreign product.

It looks like Trudeau is eager to stick his dick in Ukraine. He just ended the emergency measures. https://rumble.com/vvog7p-trudeau-announces-end-of-emergencies-act.html

Think they have the balls to actually do something?

>>23204 ALLAHU SNACKBAR!

>>23190 I have uploaded mp4 in all the imageboards that I post, what the hell are you talking about?

>>23208 Your mp4s wouldn't upload to /kohi/ so I had to re-embed them.

>>23210 Re-encode*

>>23199 In your opinion, who do you think china will support? Do you think they see Russia or America as a bigger threat? >>23202 On the topic of the leafs, what about the trucker chimp out? Do you think it will be more successful now that the military with either fighting a battle in Ukraine or being used to put down the trucker uprising?

Well, I'm going to sleep. Will wake up probably in 6 or 7 hours from now. The world better be on fire by then

Reposting for the newfags.

>>23213 China will support Russia hands-down, but not until America gets involved. They will go to war with Russia in the next 30 years but America is the more immediate threat due to their alliances with Japan, the Philippines, Australia, and South Korea.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8XcUdy2KTtU Thread theme.

>>23213 As per the trucker freedom convoy, it has expanded to all of Canada outside of losing Ottawa. The military could be sent in to quell them in preparation for a war with Russia, but I don't know. They will definitely be stretched thin but it's already speculated (with evidence) that Trudeau brought in UN peacekeeping forces to act as riot police.

>>23193 Strelok is a Strelok no matter which end of the rifle he is behind. May our brothers in the big and little Rus' survive the blowout.

Reports of explosions in Kyiv, Odessa, Mariupol, Kharkhiv, and along the Dnieper. Claims of troops on the ground in Odessa and making rapid gains. Some reports of explosions near Transnistria too. Twitter has stopped being useful now. At this point it's all the same clips getting reposted, MSM clips displacing on-the-ground footage, and the Tianjin misinfo is spreading like wildfire.

>>23213 >In your opinion, who do you think china will support? I am sure if they could, they would be doing their own thing and have nothing but servant states on their side. They might not get a choice with America pushing them closer to Russia. Though being currently allied with Russia means they can focus on India and their ocean borders rather then being completely encircled. I think they'll try to stay in the "middle", where they support Russia while getting to steal as much from America as they can.

>>23210 Oh, I guess you could use shotcut and re-code it into a webm.

>>23217 Excellent taste

>>23220 >Twitter has stopped being useful There's a joke in that somewhere.

Do you gentlemen see any parallels?

>>23220 I suppose we'll have to wait to find out the full truth. Don't let them cover it up.

I'll just post what I find

>>23221 >Though being currently allied with Russia means they can focus on India and their ocean borders rather then being completely encircled Isn't India allied with Russia?

>>23226 Broken clocks.

>>23217 I am partial to this. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dKdqr6WXCK0

attn all streloks: as board posting goes up please read "administrative statement" janny whine stop reporting posts because you don't like the content >>23225 i have no official stance on what is propaganda and what is real on account of being completely ignorant to the situation beyond hoping we can still import perst-4s

>>23233 I've been telling these fags that this place is AnCapistan but they won't listen.

>>23230 India is allied with everyone.

Any idea what the first video is?

>>23230 Russia has a friendly relationship, but China doesn't. It gets complicated because it wouldn't make sense for Russia to fight India, but China's relationship with Pakistan exists solely to attack India from two directions.

>>23233 I bet all the reports were on the anti USA posts

>>23237 Supposedly paratroopers dropping in on Kharkiv, but I'm not completely sure.

>>23240 Right, that's what the tweet I got it from claimed, but I wasn't convinced.

>>23232 Too epic for the mood and scenario at hand.

>>23237 >>23240 Don't think they are paratroops, parachute jump takes place at relatively low altitude, unless you're doing HALO or for some reason decide to give your enemy plenty of warning and jump in broad daylight at high altitude. My guess, flares. Besides, two dozen paratroopers are nowhere near enough to storm a city.

>>23233 What the hell is there to report? This has all been pretty mild imageboard banter from what I've seen.

️RUSSIAN PARATROOPERS TROOPS LANDING IN KHARKIV https://nitter.net/OSINT_Ukraine/status/1496714151699402752#m

>>23244 Outsiders think that they can get things they don't like removed by reporting it enough.

Supposedly, wreckage of a missile in Kiev. Looks like a KH-31? >>23243 Yeah, that's pretty much the reason I didn't believe the tweet.

>>23247 Pls, no bully!