Pre 2020, I was an idealist who truly wanted to help Ukraine become a strong democracy. I spent a lot of time in Ukraine, still have friends there I worry about now. But the sad fact is the USA is in no position to “promote democracy” abroad while our own country is falling apart
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I’ve met a lot of great people on here who used to be Democrats until the elite Covidian takeover of their party pushed them away. Well I used to be a lot less political than I am now, and if anything, more of a neocon. Now I can never trust the federal government in any way.
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What genuine national interest do we have in defending Ukraine's borders, vs. what Russia (seemingly reasonably) terms its "privileged sphere of interests"? Promoting political and economic reform in Ukraine sounds good, but risking U.S. lives would be deranged.
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I think it’s important to note that Ukraine’s government has not even asked us to send US troops there — they are willing to fight for their own country, and I agree, we should not put Americans’ lives on the line.
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How fitting the party that has objectively done more to diminish democracy in America as well as enable autocracy now wants to bail on supporting a strategically important democracy abroad and let it fall to an autocratic tyrant.
Today's GOP and Putin have too much in common.
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Ah finally Christina says something I disagree with. It’s all right she’s still cool in my book
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I sympathize. I actually have a 'Tak, Yuschenko!' orange revolution scarf. It didn't lead to the kind of institutionalized norms a country needs to sustain a truly representative government. Corruption is very difficult to root out there. Plus, Russia is a master saboteur.
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You don’t think very much do you
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Same here. We can't let wishful thinking and lobbyists drive national security policy.
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So thinking Russia shouldn’t just take over their neighboring nations by force makes one an “idealist”
I wonder how the wealthy Cuban elites in Miami will feel about this…
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Falling apart? Have you looked at your 401k? At unemployment numbers? At the Dow? We have a growing economy and record unemployment in the middle of a once in a hundred years pandemic. This country is incredible. You should be more proud and less worried.
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You're not really a good friend, are you. Either in the micro, interpersonal sense, OR the macro, geopolitical diplomatic sense.
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Our democracy is falling apart thanks to Trump and your party. About time you noticed.
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Falling apart = someone has as me to cooperate with public health measures amidst a deadly pandemic.
The media could not be played.
Reload
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How about we just oppose an authoritarian regime from invading a country we said we'd protect?
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What would a hypothetical President DeSantis be doing in this situation? What happens if he is elected in 2024, then China starts invading Taiwan? Would he be willing to commit American troops to fight what would become a far bloodier, costlier battle that may involve attacks /1
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on the American homefront? Would he abandon East Asia to Chinese hegemony, as you seem to be willing to do for Eastern Europe?
Do you see America as a guarantor of democratic values in the world, or should we once more withdraw as we did in the 19th & early 20th Centuries?
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