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Update on ViolentAcrez/Gawker/Adrian Chen/CreepShots

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Update on ViolentAcrez/Gawker/Adrian Chen/CreepShots

I think everyone in here has the story straight, but feel free to quote me in public on these matters:

  1. Chen did not in any way blackmail me into deleting my account. In fact, he specifically said deleting my account would have no effect on his decision to publish.

2) ytknows has been a mod on [1] r/violentacrez for years; when I left, he became top mod, and I assume he added the Archangelles. Frankly, I think it's funny.

3) I have no idea who gave my PI to Chen. What I said to PIMA about the admins was idle speculation, based on Steve and Max' well-known dislike for [2] r/jailbait. I apologize for his release of those PMs.

I think that's all.

The involvement of SRS with r/CreepShots is not clear, but let's be clear about what they may be responsible for. In this case, all we can say about ViolentAcrez is that it was done by Adrian Chen.

Jezebel and SRS are still implicated in the r/CreepShots fiasco who has reportedly left one person seriously assaulted.

We should be clear about who is responsible for what. Obviously a lot of people here hate SRS, but let's hate them for what they are responsible for, not for things they are not.

The best measure of a person, imho, is how they treat their enemies - not how they treat their friends. If we give up our ethical stance when treating our enemies, we weren't very ethical to begin with.

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Well, this definitely helps clear up things a bit. So does this mean that there is no relationship between what happened to ViolentAcrez and the r/CreepShots sub? I am pretty sure that's where I was confused.

In the end, what should we, as a community, be concerned with?

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The link between CreepShots and ViolentAcrez is that they are both part of the same crack down, using essentially the same tactics. It is no secret that there are groups of people organizing to try to take down the seedier side of Reddit.

It still stands that a threat was made against r/MensRights to do the same to us as was done to ViolentAcrez (and CreepShots by insinuation). And it still stands that it was some of the same group who opposed the AgentOrange doxxing that were involved with the CreepShots doxxing (SRS/Jezebel).

As far as I am concerned, it is clear that the feminists will use their PR weight to oppose doxxing of their members and the same PR weight to impose doxxing of their enemies. See the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy to see how this is completely within Feminist ethics - particularity and partiality are favoured over universality and impartiality, responsibilities are favoured over rights.

Feminism is NOT a "rights" movement in any way, shape or form. It simply uses the lingo of traditional ethicists to try to manipulate society to their side.

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That radio silence is deafening. Admins obviously have something to hide.

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Admins only get involved when there is PR attn.

Go get Cooper to do another expose and that'l light a fire under their asses till then they shall be an unmovable boulder.

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Yeah, they just shadowbanned POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS. /u/Dacvak wasn't happy with PIMA's post telling people to hide their personnal information (as seen in this conversation http://i.imgur.com/TUsIF.png)

That is a fucking nice new community manager reddit has, isn't he? ¬_¬ /s

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Yup. I do hope they ban gawker sites from reddit until chen is fired.

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At last, the admins have acted.

I think it may be time to prepare a fallback position for our subreddit.

To think I spent $300 on reddit advertising, and find out I was paying for this.

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Hide what?

Did someone post VA's home address too?

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Post text automatically copied here. (Why?) (Report a problem.)

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Adrian Chen has posted Violentacrez's identity and dox. The story is accessible on Gawker's website.

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I saw.

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so far these are the following subs that i've confirmed have banned gawker

r/wow -http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/11also/rwow_announcement_kotaku_may_no_longer_be/

r/politics -http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/119z4z/an_announcement_about_gawker_links_in_rpolitics/

r/marijuana -http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11a7rk/the_follow_domains_will_no_longer_be_allowed_to/c6kqeef

and of course mensrights

i've spoken to a mod of r/gore and r/morbidreality , he said they may consider it, however nobody has ever posted gawker in either subreddit so it'd be more of a symbolic move

I've also heard that r/keto and r/doctorwho may do it, but I cannot confirm

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Check out r/bangawker. They are keeping track of it.

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r/subredditdrama has blacklisted Gawker, and I'm currently trying to get r/justiceporn on board as well.

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I was just told by demmian that r/feminism is also not allowing Gawker posts in their sub. Her users are gonna be pissed....

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Where is the quote from? Did violentacrez say that - and can it be confirmed that he did, considering he deleted his accounts?

There are a lot of questions remaining unanswered. To me, one of the most urgent ones is the involvement of reddit admins.

Even if they didn't hand over violentacrez' personal information, the fact remains that they have consistently allowed SRS and its members to break reddit rules, attack other reddit users and communities, and defame reddit itself in the mainstream media.

It's time for reddit management to come clean. Why are they protecting SRS?

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Yes, VA said it, and it has been confirmed.

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I keep hearing that SRS break Reddit rules, then here others saying SRS are within Reddit rules.

Take this conversation, for example, which is actually with ine of the mods of AntiSRS - yet he is making excuses for them, and claiming SRS don't vote brigade.

It's all very confusing, which I'm sure is exactly what SRS want.

Is anyone compiling a list of actual instances where SRS obviously broke Reddit rules?

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Probably the same reason they protected r/jailbait til it brought bad publicity.

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Apparently even r/feminism is also blocking gawker sites. Good on them.

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I wonder how these people(female, white-knights or trans extremists alike) would really feel if their identity was made public. Either way, it's pretty disgusting how these women work so hard to demonize male sexuality, or the male gaze, and how negatively predisposed they are to male heterosexual interest. The fact that they can consider a man simply looking at women to be this offensive, and threatening, even going as far as associating basic male interest to actual physical assault(apparently, "looking without consent" is a gateway drug to rape) just goes how hateful and contemptuous these misandric bigots actually are. The fact that they can be so extreme in their beliefs(which are, for the most part, protected and perpetuated by feminism and other forms of gynocentric radicalism) as to actually socially or physically assault men is even more disturbing. This just goes to show how harmful, and significant, this feminist ideology of male heterosexual interest being inherently predatory and/or objectifying actually is. It's ironic, really, that these people think that demonizing and publicly shaming men for a basic attraction towards women will "save women from real assault", it's not; if anything, it would actually be far more likely to cause a backlash effect.

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I can't speak for everyone, but here's how I see it:

Public photography is fine. Appreciating someone's appearance is fine.

Fetishizing non-consent is NOT fine. From what I hear, there are a lot of people in r/creepshots who will not "enjoy" a photo (to use a polite term) if the subject of the picture consented to being photographed. That's what's creepy, not necessarily the photos themselves.

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I had a girl assault me viciously once when I was in junior high. Pulling my hair out, scratching me till blood drew, holding her down wasn't enough.

I clocked her one in the face, like I would any man who tried that (except I tried to be patient for much longer) and she stopped. To this day I'm still known as the guy who hit a girl, although my close friends are sympathetic that it was self-defense.

Equal rights is equal rights. Let them think any kind of stupid crazy shit they like, when they begin to act on it then treat them like you would any man or animal who did that to you.

Be careful out there folks, there are some nuts.

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I wonder how these people(female, white-knights or trans extremists alike) would really feel if their identity was made public.

Why do you think all the SRS mods are ridiculous Archangellerandomwordhere? They only use those to post in SRS and hide who they so no one can do it to them.

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jezbel have a record for violence, thats on there own site , but if srs is doing this as well , no matter if i am in agreement with the removal of the pages that are gone or not ( and i disliked them immensely and them being gone is great in my eyes ) but if they are going down the doxxing road, and lets face it david manbooz has a history of this and this group , well they are scum

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SRS is a collection of users, not some entity that has a mind of its own... while I think they generally represent much of what is wrong with this world, and while one or a few of them may have doxxed some people, I'm not sure this was definitely a collaborative effort on the part of all or most of SRS, nor I do I think it is against the law.

It is, however, really fucking scary and is much worse (IMO) than any problem people might have with creepshots. SRS and these users knew what they were doing, they knew (and probably hoped) that someone would get hurt, and much (most?) of SRS egged them on at the very least.

The whole thing reminds me of a video I saw right after 9/11, of Palestinian men, women, and children celebrating in the streets because some Americans had been killed in the World Trade Center. I will never forget the anger I felt when I saw that video, and many others around the country and the world shared that anger. I knew that these Palestinians did not necessarily represent any country or even a widespread belief, but I could not help but be angry. I didn't know who to be angry at, but for a lot of people it was easy to pick a target for their anger. That did nothing good for relations in the middle east or with Muslims, I can tell you, and it didn't hurt Bush's case for invading Iraq either.

I just wanted to rant here because this pisses me off in a similar way. I imagine a bunch of little SRS kids snickering up in their bedrooms, celebrating like those Palestinians by admiring the pins into their cis-gendered voodoo mandolls and feeling like they've won some sort of knightly battle in the name of the 'fairer sex' by having a bunch of people get hurt or put into serious jeopardy... while not really realizing what this all means and that they all indirectly share some accountability in this.

If the reddit admins really do have some sort of relationship with SRS, I will be extremely disappointed, and if they do not do something to right this problem, I will be shocked.

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by having a bunch of people get hurt or put into serious jeopardy..

Wait, what?

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Less needless drama, more men's rights activism. We already have multiple posts about this issue on the front page, and there was no need for another.

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I will take that under advisement. I thought it was important to try to correct some misinformation that was spreading, in large part due to things that I had said.

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I disagree. This is a direct threat to the existence of r/mensrights, and to the personal safety of its members. We need to take it seriously.

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Ethics - like logic - is a construct of "the patriarchy", so I'm all for dropping ethics when it comes to dealing with SRS. I'm sure they'd appreciate being treated as equals, rather than "special snowflakes", right?

/s

Who was assaulted, and how?

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Not sure of the details. Will update as I find out.

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Who was assaulted, and how?

Presumably? violentacrez.

Remember, assault =/= battery.

Assault = "acting intentionally, that is with either general or specific intent, causing the reasonable apprehension of an immediate harmful or offensive contact"

edit: Never mind, it sounds like battery actually happened.

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Wasn't the whole thing started with a screenshot of the blackmail? I honestly would not be surprised if the supposed blackmailers also demanded that VA deny the blackmail or they'd release his info.

That's one of the many problems with complying with blackmail, it never ends.

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The blackmail wasn't against VA, it was against a different user.

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Guys, it's important to remember that the violentacrez and creepshots doxxings are two (as far as we can tell) separate instances, and while the VA drama is legitimately worrying, the stuff about creepshots is highly suspicious in that all of the information involved-every single update- has been provided by /u/POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS without once providing some sort of verification. Obviously, if a doxxed redditor was actually beaten up for posting on creepshots that would be a huge injustice but until we see proof that this did indeed happen we should be careful to take PIMA's statements with a grain of salt. I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one-someone being physically assaulted would a serious miscarriage of justice if true, and we should make absolutely sure it's legitimate before we get up in arms about it.

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Let's see...

A Tumblr blog posts personal information about people on r/CreepShots.

Jezebel reposted that same information. Jezebel is also a Gawker owned site.

That is the legitimate knowledge we have of CreepShots, independent of Potato_in_my_anus.

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can someone give me a TL;DR about all of this. I have seen this mentioned around reddit, but I have never heard of those subs before or what is going on...

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R/creepshots: the name pretty much says it all. A sub for non-consensual pictures of women in public.

R/shitredditsays: a.k.a. The Fempire. They have dozens of sub-subreddits. The original, SRS, is devoted to calling out the "shitlords" of reddit. They basically just look at racist/sexist/"ableist"/etc comments that were made and upvoted by redditors and bitch about everything. They hate r/mensrights with a firey passion.

U/violentacrez: Apparently, he was not totally blackmailed. He was the mod (I believe) of several controversial subs, including (I believe) r/creepshots and r/jailbait. He has deleted his account.

The victim of assault: is not r/violentacrez. The man who was attacked was exposed on a tumblr page called predditors or something. There were about twenty other men whose personal information and pictures were leaked on this page. It has been deleted since then.

This is all I can tell you, and some of it may be wrong.

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The tumblr account is back. Jezebel published an update, via betabeat.com.

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It's too bad that Gawker chose to attack ViolentAcrez.

He is one of the best things about Reddit. His troublemaking keeps this place from collapsing into a total hivemind.

I consider him a vital part of Reddit.

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He was one of the best things about Reddit. He's gone.

The future is up to us.

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It's possible that I am saying this in ignorance but could somebody explain why it is worse to 'dox' someone than it is to post nsfw pictures of someone else online without them knowing?

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It's possible that I am saying this in ignorance but could somebody explain why it is worse to 'dox' someone than it is to post nsfw pictures of someone else online without them knowing?

Now you are making something up. No one posted NSFW pictures of people online without them knowing.

By the way - ever heard of the paparazzi? Or photo journalists? They often take pictures of people without them knowing and post them online.

The fact of the matter is that our society has deemed such actions as legal. A group of people have deemed the same actions immoral and are using their ability to sway public opinion to enforce their morals on the rest of society.

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Coincidence should never be assumed until proven.

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So I guess all the comments in the SRS post about this matter, in which everyone has a good ol time laughing over it and freely admitting that they were involved... that just doesn't count, ignatiusloyola?

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PM me a link?

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like Benny Hinn and John Hagee, the brutsch character is just another parasite from Dallas who eventually fell on his own sword.

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People focus far too much on what Brutsch did as a way to divert from discussing what was done to him.

When the US was torturing war criminals (and likely still are), people stood up for how these war criminals were being treated. Even though the war criminals had done despicable acts, it was clearly understood that they deserved fair treatment.

The same concepts apply here.

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I'm not sure I agree utterly. The treatment of enemies tests the depth of merits, but is that our best measure? That all should be treated uniformly regardless of how we are treated?

By doing that, how do we show judgement? It is a blind reaction to the world.

I'd say a better way to go about it, is judge us how we treat the uninvolved. The impartial. The strangers. Reasonably, most people protect their allies, so there's no especial good deed in that. Most people also hate and battle their enemies, and there is no lack of ethics there, it's good self-preservation, if construction and not overly distracting.

What we see here is that Adrian Chen picked a fight with ViolentAcrez, someone who had not done him any harm. He decided him a villain simply for circulating pictures others had taken and speaking his mind about them, and chose to paint a bullseye on the man's life.

As far as I'm concerned, there would be no lack of ethics in that being done in term. As a public media figure, many reporters often do this to some degree. They give out their names (sometimes real and not pen) and their faces (sometimes not overly made up).

They do this because they paint themselves as gods to be worshipped and think that they won't make any huge enemies. At least, the ones who do gossip columns and stuff generally do.

I have a deep respect for the anonymity of reporters who go undercover, try to out crime rings, do war reporting, look into cults, etc. People like Chen appear to be targetting people's lives, wanting to terrorize them. Who is saved by it? Who is served?

Pure malicious pandering.

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This subreddit is a fucking joke and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Men's rights? What a load of bollocks. It's amazing how swiftly ignorance breeds on a hateful, trolling site like this--and what's more, it's incredible that you are all so clearly unaware of Western history that it is ASTOUNDING.

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Men's rights? What a load of bollocks.

So you don't think men have rights? Or you don't think that their rights are ever infringed on?

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what is creepshots? If it's really bad I don't want to click on the link.

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Mostly girls in yoga pants, tight jeans, white shorts you can see their panties through. As of the last week the content posted there was pretty damn mild (I think) to create all this out-rage.

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It seems its banned now but from what I'm told people would take pictures of unsuspecting women in public and post them.

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It's not that bad, just...well sort of creepy. Just a bunch of pics of random women at gas stations and malls and shit like that.

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apparently he was his own worse enemy...

from [deleted] via r/LegalTeens/ sent 1 year ago Do you think they don't know who I am and how I act? I am the motherfucking Pimp Daddy of Reddit (check my trophy case). Besides, no one can remove the top mod in a reddit.

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There are plenty of sites that you have to be yourself (Facebook), Reddit is a forum for anonymous discourse. Anonymity allows people to say and display things that they usually would not say or do. I see the invasion of privacy that "r/creepshots" embodies but directly attacking one person is unacceptable. I am in to the idea of having some sort of internet accountability but I don't imagine that Adrian Chen would like his browser history released to the world. When Mr. Chen faked having cancer to attempt proving that reddit was sexist he obviously left his objectivity at the login. Remember that Reddit has raised money for cancer, brought dying children's dreams come true, offered people who were at their end support, and yes allowed people to take pics of people who were in public and post them but you don't see Mr. Chen defending obese, wheelchair bound, cheese eating, Rednecks.

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Thank you for your courage and leadership. Many people find r/MensRights very useful, and would miss it if it were gone.

I had not realized until recently that the leaders could be subject to personal attacks and blackmailing, in an effort to silence the whole movement.

If it comes down to that, I know that you will have the integrity to pass off leadership to another trusted mod, rather than hand it over to the jackals of SRS and other MRA enemies.

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If you want to read some crazy shit, check out r/SRSMeta/

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i'd get on board with my own subreddits if i could figure out how the spam filter works. i guess if anyone posts a link to any of those sites i'll just ban them manually.

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When you see something, click the "Spam" link. It will say "Are you sure?" and you click "yes". The Spam filter will take into account all of the things that you have "spammed", and eventually learn what common traits there are and automatically "spam" them in the future.

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Can I just say, I know who violentacrez is, and what r/creepshots is, but I have no idea what you are talking about beyond that. Could anybody enlighten me? I don't really want to have to read r/creepshots or /u/violentacrez to find out.

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can someone explain what is happening here?

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I'm sorry but what is this "r/creepshots scandal?" I must have missed it because I don't know what's happening.

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Why do we treat our enemies,like they are,our equals? They our are enemy, a man does not hug them to get backstabbed.

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Interesting.

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