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TStikaram
post Today, 12:04 PM, updated 3h ago

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belajar universiti di Malaysia jauh lebih LAMA dari universiti luar negara.
Kalau Malaysia nak dapat ijazah sampai 5-6 tahun, di Singapura, Australia dan UK hanya 3-4 tahun.
Banyak subjek Mandatori yang tak beri impak kepada kerjaya Graduan kita. TITAS, subjek Falsafah, Hubungan Etnik, Etika dan Peradaban.
Jangan tambah beban kepada pelajar kita. Bantu mereka menjadi Graduan yang berkualiti.
WE MUST DO BETTER.


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post Today, 12:08 PM

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ya masuk kerja apa yg dibelajar kat uni almost all tak berguna.

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Titas damn top kek this subject. And the hidden subject biro whatever negara dunoo still got compulsory or not
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Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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They r the same elsewhere right?

He is making a false statement on the years .. but absolutely on point on those useless/meaningless modules

Basically, no matter where we go, we still have to clear a year or two for fundamental via, for example, A-levels before we can enroll for a degree


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There is one subject, made compulsory.
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Pendidikan moral also useless. Still need to take out extra time to attend classes when i was in uni. wtfark
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Those subjects like titas, ethics, if we no study how are we gonna learn cultures or other races and religion which is important to be tolerance and understand one another ?
But nvm la....don't think it matters since Malaysia asyik racing je kan
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Got bola to list those useless subject or not?
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post Today, 12:16 PM

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all the subject useful for me
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post Today, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Gentleman_League @ Oct 8 2021, 12:13 PM)
Pendidikan moral also useless. Still need to take out extra time to attend classes when i was in uni. wtfark
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during college time,
pelajaran malaysia...= learn BM....
i like wtf...compulsory pulak..
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QUOTE(HafeesFadil @ Oct 8 2021, 01:08 PM)
ya masuk kerja apa yg dibelajar kat uni almost all tak berguna.

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TAR I see accounting quite ok

Principles of Accounting
Economics
Quantitative Studies
Principles of Management
IT Fundamentals and Applications
Financial Accounting
Management Accounting
Principles of Finance
Principles of Taxation
Information and IT Security
Decision Management
Financial Accounting Framework
Fundamentals of Auditing
Advanced Financial Accounting
Operations Management
Financial Management
Business & Corporate Law
Taxation
Business Strategy
Performance Management
Advanced Taxation
Auditing
Advanced Accounting Practice
Entrepreneurship
Enterprise Resource Planning
Practical Training
Corporate Reporting & Current Issues
Services Marketing
Integrated Mangement
Integrated Case Study
Public Sector Accounting
Accounting Theory & Practice


But

Compulsory Courses: rclxub.gif

English for Tertiary Studies,
Academic English,
English for Career Preparation,
Tamadun Islam dan Asia,
Critical Thinking,
Hubungan Etnik,
Contemporary Malaysian Issues,
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Those subjects like titas, ethics, if we no study how are we gonna learn cultures or other races and religion which is important to be tolerance and understand one another ?
But nvm la....don't think it matters since Malaysia asyik racing je kan
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the more you force it, more racing you gonna see
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Moral and sivik

End up rempit jugak
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Titas memang pun useless subject
Brainwashing subject

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There is one subject, made compulsory.
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if you fail it, you fail others too....topkek
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Got bola to list those useless subject or not?
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he listed d in tiktok

You dislike tiktok ke?
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post Today, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 8 2021, 12:16 PM)
TAR I see accounting quite ok

Principles of Accounting
Economics
Quantitative Studies
Principles of Management
IT Fundamentals and Applications
Financial Accounting
Management Accounting
Principles of Finance
Principles of Taxation
Information and IT Security
Decision Management
Financial Accounting Framework
Fundamentals of Auditing
Advanced Financial Accounting
Operations Management
Financial Management
Business & Corporate Law
Taxation
Business Strategy
Performance Management
Advanced Taxation
Auditing
Advanced Accounting Practice
Entrepreneurship
Enterprise Resource Planning
Practical Training
Corporate Reporting & Current Issues
Services Marketing
Integrated Mangement
Integrated Case Study
Public Sector Accounting
Accounting Theory & Practice
But

Compulsory Courses: rclxub.gif

English for Tertiary Studies,
Academic English, 
English for Career Preparation,
Tamadun Islam dan Asia,
Critical Thinking,
Hubungan Etnik,
Contemporary Malaysian Issues,
Bahasa Kebangsaan A
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wth u need bahASA kebangsaan A. that means got B version as well?
blanket84
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Universities outside Malaysia also full of "useless" elective subjects. Why do they even need elective subjects in Uni also I can't brain.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 8 2021, 01:16 PM)
during college time,
pelajaran malaysia...= learn BM....
i like wtf...compulsory pulak..
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damn useless right? our minister also not really got moral nia
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post Today, 12:19 PM

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Titas the only subject i took that the group projek got Assignment have to go out jalan2 for shooting video. Damn fun
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English should be emphasized pre-university. What exactly are they reading before they finish their english courses?
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When add the 51% to sllaybus ??
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Dei Saddiq bodo, trade school ada. Industry ready.
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post Today, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Strike Eureka @ Oct 8 2021, 12:14 PM)
Those subjects like titas, ethics, if we no study how are we gonna learn cultures or other races and religion which is important to be tolerance and understand one another ?
But nvm la....don't think it matters since Malaysia asyik racing je kan
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Huh? Need titas and ethics subject only know other's culture? U talk from your ass?

I just make friends with people to know their culture. Not through useless subjects
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Wait, they need to take these subjects in one semester? I thought they can take it concurrently with other subjects?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:19 PM)
Universities outside Malaysia also full of "useless" elective subjects. Why do they even need elective subjects in Uni also I can't brain.
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Compulsory Courses malaysia

English for Tertiary Studies,
Academic English,
English for Career Preparation,
Tamadun Islam dan Asia,
Critical Thinking,
Hubungan Etnik,
Contemporary Malaysian Issues,
Bahasa Kebangsaan A

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I see UK ok




BSc in Accounting and Finance
Page contents > Year 1 options list | Year 2 options list | Year 3 options list | Prerequisite Requirements and Mutually Exclusive Options | Footnotes
Programme Code: UBAF

Department: Accounting



Paper
Course number, title (unit value)
See note

LSE100 The LSE Course

Year 1

Paper 1

AC100 Elements of Accounting and Finance (1.0)

Paper 2

EC1A3 Microeconomics I (0.5) # and EC1B3 Macroeconomics I (0.5) #



OR



EC1A5 Microeconomics I (0.5) and EC1B5 Macroeconomics I (0.5) #

Papers 3 & 4

EITHER



Both of the following plus courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the Year 1 options list:



MA107 Quantitative Methods (Mathematics) (0.5) # and ST107 Quantitative Methods (Statistics) (0.5) #

Year 1 options list



OR

Both of the following:



MA100 Mathematical Methods (1.0) # and ST102 Elementary Statistical Theory (1.0) #

Year 2

Paper 5

AC200 Accounting Theory and Practice (1.0) #

Paper 6

FM212 Principles of Finance (1.0) # or



FM213 Principles of Finance (1.0) # A

Paper 7

EITHER



Courses to the value of 1.0 unit(s) from the following:



EC2A3 Microeconomics II (0.5) # 1 (not available 2021/22)



EC2B3 Macroeconomics II (0.5) # 2 (not available 2021/22)



EC2C3 Econometrics I (0.5) # (not available 2021/22)



OR



Courses to the value of 1.0 unit(s) from the following:



EC2A5 Microeconomics II (0.5) (not available 2021/22)



EC2B5 Macroeconomics II (0.5) (not available 2021/22)



EC2C3 Econometrics I (0.5) # (not available 2021/22)

Paper 8

Courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the following (if not already taken under Paper 7):

Year 2 options list

Year 3

Paper 9

AC331 Contemporary Issues in Financial Accounting (0.5) #



And either:



AC311 Results Accountability and Management Control for Strategy Implementation (0.5) # or



AC341 Corporate Governance, Risk Management and Financial Audit (0.5)

Paper 10

Courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the following (if not already taken under Paper 9):



AC311 Results Accountability and Management Control for Strategy Implementation (0.5) #



AC312 Performance Measurement, Strategy, and Uncertainty (0.5) #



AC332 Financial Statement Analysis and Valuation (0.5) #



AC341 Corporate Governance, Risk Management and Financial Audit (0.5)



AC342 Accounting, Corporate Responsibility and Sustainability (0.5) (not available 2021/22)

Paper 11

FM300 Corporate Finance, Investments and Financial Markets (1.0) #

Paper 12

Courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the following (if not already taken under Paper 9 or Paper 10):

Year 3 options list

Notes

LSE100 is a half unit taken by all students, running across Michaelmas and Lent Terms in the first year. The course provides one of the marks that is eligible to be included in the calculation of the First Year Average for purposes of classification.

Year 1 options list

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 8 2021, 12:21 PM)
Fitnah

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Compulsory Courses malaysia

English for Tertiary Studies,
Academic English,
English for Career Preparation,
Tamadun Islam dan Asia,
Critical Thinking,
Hubungan Etnik,
Contemporary Malaysian Issues,
Bahasa Kebangsaan A

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I see UK ok
BSc in Accounting and Finance
Page contents > Year 1 options list | Year 2 options list | Year 3 options list | Prerequisite Requirements and Mutually Exclusive Options | Footnotes
Programme Code: UBAF

Department: Accounting
Paper
Course number, title (unit value)
See note

LSE100 The LSE Course

Year 1

Paper 1

AC100 Elements of Accounting and Finance (1.0)

Paper 2

EC1A3 Microeconomics I (0.5) # and EC1B3 Macroeconomics I (0.5) #



OR



EC1A5 Microeconomics I (0.5) and EC1B5 Macroeconomics I (0.5) #

Papers 3 & 4

EITHER



Both of the following plus courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the Year 1 options list:



MA107 Quantitative Methods (Mathematics) (0.5) # and ST107 Quantitative Methods (Statistics) (0.5) #

Year 1 options list



OR

Both of the following:



MA100 Mathematical Methods (1.0) # and ST102 Elementary Statistical Theory (1.0) #

Year 2

Paper 5

AC200 Accounting Theory and Practice (1.0) #

Paper 6

FM212 Principles of Finance (1.0) # or



FM213 Principles of Finance (1.0) # A

Paper 7

EITHER



Courses to the value of 1.0 unit(s) from the following:



EC2A3 Microeconomics II (0.5) # 1  (not available 2021/22)



EC2B3 Macroeconomics II (0.5) # 2  (not available 2021/22)



EC2C3 Econometrics I (0.5) #  (not available 2021/22)



OR



Courses to the value of 1.0 unit(s) from the following:



EC2A5 Microeconomics II (0.5)  (not available 2021/22)



EC2B5 Macroeconomics II (0.5)  (not available 2021/22)



EC2C3 Econometrics I (0.5) #  (not available 2021/22)

Paper 8

Courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the following (if not already taken under Paper 7):

Year 2 options list

Year 3

Paper 9

AC331 Contemporary Issues in Financial Accounting (0.5) #



And either:



AC311 Results Accountability and Management Control for Strategy Implementation (0.5) # or



AC341 Corporate Governance, Risk Management and Financial Audit (0.5)

Paper 10

Courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the following (if not already taken under Paper 9):



AC311 Results Accountability and Management Control for Strategy Implementation (0.5) #



AC312 Performance Measurement, Strategy, and Uncertainty (0.5) #



AC332 Financial Statement Analysis and Valuation (0.5) #



AC341 Corporate Governance, Risk Management and Financial Audit (0.5)



AC342 Accounting, Corporate Responsibility and Sustainability (0.5)  (not available 2021/22)

Paper 11

FM300 Corporate Finance, Investments and Financial Markets (1.0) #

Paper 12

Courses to the value of 1.0 unit from the following (if not already taken under Paper 9 or Paper 10):

Year 3 options list

Notes

LSE100 is a half unit taken by all students, running across Michaelmas and Lent Terms in the first year. The course provides one of the marks that is eligible to be included in the calculation of the First Year Average for purposes of classification.

Year 1 options list
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I already show you local university vs overseas uk Compulsory cource


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malaysia education system has been shit since 1980s

our parents time were the best

their english is top notch, and if one can pass form 6 = best of the best

at that time, if you can get any As in SPM = really good students

now you get 10 or more As also no meaning d

our education is so shit now
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 8 2021, 12:26 PM)
I already show you local university vs overseas uk Compulsory cource
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Enroll into the university first, then you know laugh.gif

Website don't list all the useless elective courses.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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.......pendidkan moral ada, tapi kes tipu, songlap, buang baby, curi makan, etc semakin manyak.


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QUOTE(HafeesFadil @ Oct 8 2021, 12:08 PM)
ya masuk kerja apa yg dibelajar kat uni almost all tak berguna.

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this wor. serious shit. we got problem
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If no subjek yang tak berguna how to have jobs for "lecturers" yang tak berguna. Unemployment rate of useless bums will rise in Malaysia. BN/PN will lose votes if orang yang tak berguna are not fed buta.

So sorry la dik Syed, our pockets more important. You should have a good idea on how much we plunder the nation from the Pandora Papers. We need useless bums' votes for the plundering ya dik Syed, thank you for the suggestion, but no.

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QUOTE(HafeesFadil @ Oct 8 2021, 12:08 PM)
ya masuk kerja apa yg dibelajar kat uni almost all tak berguna.

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Blame yourself and your school la, sampah uni sampah course must be
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 12:28 PM)
Enroll into the university first, then you know laugh.gif

Website don't list all the useless elective courses.
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Elective is fine, u can pick and choose

But malaysia made useless subjects compulsory.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
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Who said? Its important for certain group here ok
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QUOTE(Strike Eureka @ Oct 8 2021, 12:14 PM)
Those subjects like titas, ethics, if we no study how are we gonna learn cultures or other races and religion which is important to be tolerance and understand one another ?
But nvm la....don't think it matters since Malaysia asyik racing je kan
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this is one issue but he was right about those subject like titas being useless in job

another thing is currently those subject being mandatory still ppl racing everyday, obviously the problem is not solely in education... dun forget among those racers are "highly educated" politicians, eg Umno PuAS
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QUOTE(hirano @ Oct 8 2021, 12:35 PM)
Elective is fine, u can pick and choose

But malaysia made useless subjects compulsory.
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Oh. I didn't know all those subject are compulsory.

If compulsory, then it is stupider then useless elective subjects.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Oct 8 2021, 12:21 PM)
Huh? Need titas and ethics subject only know other's culture? U talk from your ass?

I just make friends with people to know their culture. Not through useless subjects
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What about the people that never mix with other culture? How are we going to educate them?

See k for example, whenever we say Bumi they only think its about the Malay. They dont understand that Bumi refers to Sabahan/Sarawakian/Orang Asli.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 8 2021, 12:37 PM)
That's exactly what I'm planning to send my son to. Our education sucks balls
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QUOTE(HafeesFadil @ Oct 8 2021, 12:08 PM)
ya masuk kerja apa yg dibelajar kat uni almost all tak berguna.

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Hubungan Etnik, Etika dan Peradaban useless. Politicians also never follow even graduated locally. Those overseas cannot blame laugh.gif
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QUOTE(FLYING PANTIES @ Oct 8 2021, 12:44 PM)
What about the people that never mix with other culture? How are we going to educate them?

See k for example, whenever we say Bumi they only think its about the Malay. They dont understand that Bumi refers to Sabahan/Sarawakian/Orang Asli.
Good for you.
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Huh? U think those who never bother to mingle will care about anything? Subjects is just for passing grade, after study will forget one.

I know more stuff on chinese culture than I ever learn in any uni subjects.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:28 PM)
Enroll into the university first, then you know laugh.gif

Website don't list all the useless elective courses.
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We talk about "Compulsory courcse", syed saddiq talk about compulsory why you talk about elective ?

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QUOTE(hirano @ Oct 8 2021, 12:48 PM)
Huh? U think those who never bother to mingle will care about anything? Subjects is just for passing grade, after study will forget one.

I know more stuff on chinese culture than I ever learn in any uni subjects.
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Never bother to mix with other culture doesn't mean its impossible to educate them. There is no harm in trying. One subject only, it won't kill you to take those subjects.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 12:19 PM)
Universities outside Malaysia also full of "useless" elective subjects. Why do they even need elective subjects in Uni also I can't brain.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 8 2021, 12:51 PM)
We talk about "Compulsory courcse", syed saddiq talk about compulsory  why you talk about elective ?

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We are talking about useless subjects and I was talking about useless elective subjects since the first post.

Why did you quote me at first place? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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ayam fren all hafal like cb

ayam dont gip fark

just merepek and say what i wont be doing je

same grade with them also

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Dumb-down education. Due to the fact that is lack of specialty jobs. All gov wants is dumb workers for the country so to continue the agenda to milk ppl dry.
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Sed sedig dgn populis berpisah tiada
he think in obersi dun hav diz sozial scieces, philosophy subjec etc.
instead of you remove, why don uni revises the course's subject. compare lah apa industri guna dgn subjek yg hang suruh student belajar

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:56 PM)
We are talking about useless subjects and I was talking about useless elective subjects since the first post.

Why did you quote me at first place? rclxub.gif
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Early post I check Tar University accounting elective not useless. Only compulsory is useless. I cakap you fitnah saying elective useless.



TAR U elective
Principles of Accounting
Economics
Quantitative Studies
Principles of Management
IT Fundamentals and Applications
Financial Accounting
Management Accounting
Principles of Finance
Principles of Taxation
Information and IT Security
Decision Management
Financial Accounting Framework
Fundamentals of Auditing
Advanced Financial Accounting
Operations Management
Financial Management
Business & Corporate Law
Taxation
Business Strategy
Performance Management
Advanced Taxation
Auditing
Advanced Accounting Practice
Entrepreneurship
Enterprise Resource Planning
Practical Training
Corporate Reporting & Current Issues
Services Marketing
Integrated Mangement
Integrated Case Study
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QUOTE(seventwo @ Oct 8 2021, 01:59 PM)
Sed sedig dgn populis berpisah tiada
he think in obersi dun hav diz sozial scieces, philosophy subjec etc.
instead of you remove, why don uni revises the course's subject. compare lah apa industri guna dgn subjek yg hang suruh student belajar

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Facts:

i. All degrees need at least 120 credits.
ii. Most degrees run 120 credits but spread through 4 years to not burden students too much, and leave the 3rd sem (short sem) free for break.
iii. If you take out 20 credits of MPWU, then the degree will be short by 20 credits.
iv. When this happens, the programme will fill up the gap with whatever electives they want.

Syed Saddiq is trying to champion the youngsters by making the degree shorter. Taking out the MPWU does not shorten the programme in any way, just merely giving the programmes more flexibility at teaching things that are more relevant.

As a lecturer of 20 years, there are some merit to the MPWU, such as English and stuffs. It's easier to let students learn this rather than wasting our expertise to teach them as part of the program. But I do believe that the schools should determine what's suitable or not suitable in their programmes, not the MOHE or MQA.


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Bullshit this syed..
I did alot as UPM alumni

Review courses syllabus..
Enhance new module education related to industry..
As FYP pannelist to make sure the research tally Industry requirement

Can see UPM ranking much better now..

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 8 2021, 01:02 PM)
Facts:

i. All degrees need at least 120 credits.
ii. Most degrees run 120 credits but spread through 4 years to not burden students too much, and leave the 3rd sem (short sem) free for break.
iii. If you take out 20 credits of MPWU, then the degree will be short by 20 credits.
iv. When this happens, the programme will fill up the gap with whatever electives they want.

Syed Saddiq is trying to champion the youngsters by making the degree shorter. Taking out the MPWU does not shorten the programme in any way, just merely giving the programmes more flexibility at teaching things that are more relevant.

As a lecturer of 20 years, there are some merit to the MPWU, such as English and stuffs. It's easier to let students learn this rather than wasting our expertise to teach them as part of the program. But I do believe that the schools should determine what's suitable or not suitable in their programmes, not the MOHE or MQA.
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Huh? Need titas and ethics subject only know other's culture? U talk from your ass?

I just make friends with people to know their culture. Not through useless subjects
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Oct 8 2021, 02:05 PM)
Bullshit this syed..
I did alot as UPM alumni

Review courses syllabus..
Enhance new module education related to industry..
As FYP pannelist to make sure the research tally Industry requirement

Can see UPM ranking much better now..
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you retard no do good job make student belajar useless compulsory cources wasting time

Ayam UPM graduate and all my courcse make pun complaint useless suject
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 12:28 PM)
Enroll into the university first, then you know laugh.gif

Website don't list all the useless elective courses.
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really dun have

since when overseas undergraduate programme have all those nonsense subjects? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 8 2021, 01:02 PM)
Facts:

i. All degrees need at least 120 credits.
ii. Most degrees run 120 credits but spread through 4 years to not burden students too much, and leave the 3rd sem (short sem) free for break.
iii. If you take out 20 credits of MPWU, then the degree will be short by 20 credits.
iv. When this happens, the programme will fill up the gap with whatever electives they want.

Syed Saddiq is trying to champion the youngsters by making the degree shorter. Taking out the MPWU does not shorten the programme in any way, just merely giving the programmes more flexibility at teaching things that are more relevant.

As a lecturer of 20 years, there are some merit to the MPWU, such as English and stuffs. It's easier to let students learn this rather than wasting our expertise to teach them as part of the program. But I do believe that the schools should determine what's suitable or not suitable in their programmes, not the MOHE or MQA.
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Why not just all agree to reduce the credits for a degree and abolish useless subjects at the same time? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Oct 8 2021, 01:08 PM)
really dun have

since when overseas undergraduate programme have all those nonsense subjects?  hmm.gif
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I'm too lazy to take out my cert, but definitely there are few useless subjects in it just to make up the credits.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:11 PM)
I'm too lazy to take out my cert, but definitely there are few useless subjects in it just to make up the credits.
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i dont know what programme did u take but in business programmes, there is no such thing as UK studies la, Ethnic Studies la, etc.

If u study accounting, u will learn everything about accounting.

if u study logistics, u will learn everything about logistics.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Oct 8 2021, 01:12 PM)
i dont know what programme did u take but in business programmes, there is no such thing as UK studies la, Ethnic Studies la, etc.

If u study accounting, u will learn everything about accounting.

if u study logistics, u will learn everything about logistics.
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I took mechanical engineering, and there were few elective subjects that is totally unrelated to mechanical engineering.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 8 2021, 01:34 PM)
belajar universiti di Malaysia jauh lebih LAMA dari universiti luar negara.
Kalau Malaysia nak dapat ijazah sampai 5-6 tahun, di Singapura, Australia dan UK hanya 3-4 tahun.
Banyak subjek Mandatori yang tak beri impak kepada kerjaya Graduan kita. TITAS, subjek Falsafah, Hubungan Etnik, Etika dan Peradaban.
Jangan tambah beban kepada pelajar kita. Bantu mereka menjadi Graduan yang berkualiti.
WE MUST DO BETTER.


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Yes. Agreed. Malaysia Local Private University also have to imposed stupid studies like, Malaysia Studies = a junk when you already a local breed student.

What not, Reducing these subjects can help to make the student more competitive instead dwelling on unnecessary subjects that doesnt help local culture.


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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Oct 8 2021, 02:05 PM)
Bullshit this syed..
I did alot as UPM alumni

Review courses syllabus..
Enhance new module education related to industry..
As FYP pannelist to make sure the research tally Industry requirement

Can see UPM ranking much better now..
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um so many useless compulsory

you tidur makan gaji ke?

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why nobody tell sedik:




there is no sampah course, only sampah people
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:14 PM)
I took mechanical engineering, and there were few elective subjects that is totally unrelated to mechanical engineering.
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what are those elective subjects?

is it like UK Studies, Ethnic Studies, and other nonsense like what we have here? hmm.gif
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why nobody tell sedik:
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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I agree. Same as …..

These can go study in Sunday school
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why nobody tell sedik:
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Oct 8 2021, 01:16 PM)
come from Sampah lecturer. Period.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Oct 8 2021, 01:16 PM)
what are those elective subjects?

is it like UK Studies, Ethnic Studies, and other nonsense like what we have here?  hmm.gif
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Yes. Something similar. Too useless I can't even recall the subject name sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 8 2021, 02:47 PM)
kecian you went to sampah uni met sampah lecturer now got ptsd
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:17 PM)
Yes. Something similar. Too useless I can't even recall the subject name  sweat.gif
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where did u study? United States?

all i know in UK for business programmes, there is no such thing. Even if there is elective, the subjects are still at least related to organisational purpose.

Not some ethnic studies, philosophy studies, etc.
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QUOTE(malz89 @ Oct 8 2021, 12:10 PM)
They r the same elsewhere right?

He is making a false statement on the years .. but absolutely on point on those useless/meaningless modules

Basically, no matter where we go, we still have to clear a year or two for fundamental via, for example, A-levels before we can enroll for a degree
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U must be local grad katak bawah tempurung.

Overseas is 1Y A Level and 3 Y degree. Local is 2Y STPM and 4Y degree.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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It is a subject used to screw a select group of people.
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Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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eh i got A- in moral
that why i so guai..no do bad bad want.. brows.gif

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Oct 8 2021, 01:21 PM)
where did u study? United States?

all i know in UK for business programmes, there is no such thing. Even if there is elective, the subjects are still at least related to organisational purpose.

Not some ethnic studies, philosophy studies, etc.
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real UK programmes very minimal subjects but very deep

US punya undergrad is a joke. can take engineering degree but about half are soft courses
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Malaysia education in dire need of full reform.

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QUOTE(vassilius @ Oct 8 2021, 12:35 PM)
Who said? Its important for certain group here ok
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QUOTE(Gentleman_League @ Oct 8 2021, 12:13 PM)
Pendidikan moral also useless. Still need to take out extra time to attend classes when i was in uni. wtfark
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I remember the Moral during Uni time. Thinking what we learnt in Secondary school can be applied. NOPE, DEAD WRONG. It's like you learning a new foreign language on theory of the universe.
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 8 2021, 01:26 PM)
real UK programmes very minimal subjects but very deep

US punya undergrad is a joke. can take engineering degree but about half are soft courses
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Yup, UK programmes contain few subjects only but for one subject, the syllabus can be quite extensive and deep.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Oct 8 2021, 01:21 PM)
where did u study? United States?

all i know in UK for business programmes, there is no such thing. Even if there is elective, the subjects are still at least related to organisational purpose.

Not some ethnic studies, philosophy studies, etc.
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UK uni also. Of course there are options that are related to your studies, but at the same time you have the choice to choose all sorts of unrelated subject such as foreign language, culture subjects, philosophical subject & a lot more.

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QUOTE(DValentine @ Oct 8 2021, 12:57 PM)
ayam fren all hafal like cb

ayam dont gip fark

just merepek and say what i wont be doing je

same grade with them also

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During my time, Moral got 36 main categories. In SPM or school test time, must pick the correct category and then say why.

Wrong category? No Marks.

Cannot explain reason? No Marks despite correct category.

It was so terrible and nauseating, almost every one in my class barely passed the damn thing. And the best thing of all, we didnt even "implement" it after this.....
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TITAS sampah. Majority content happen in somewhere else.
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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Oct 8 2021, 01:39 PM)
During my time, Moral got 36 main categories. In SPM or school test time, must pick the correct category and then say why.

Wrong category? No Marks.

Cannot explain reason? No Marks despite correct category.

It was so terrible and nauseating, almost every one in my class barely passed the damn thing. And the best thing of all, we didnt even "implement" it after this.....
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u take peekture of posing sapu lantai sapu tingkap etc

1 min take pic oledi settle
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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After belajar masih ramai tiada moral

Useless x2
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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QUOTE(Ayambetul @ Oct 8 2021, 01:45 PM)
After belajar masih ramai tiada moral

Useless x2
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subjek yang diajar sampah

tapi subjek yang tak diajar pandai pulak

example: tuai

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How everybody pass TITAS, ethics, race relations?

The state of country shows otherwise.
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QUOTE(Ayambetul @ Oct 8 2021, 01:45 PM)
After belajar masih ramai tiada moral

Useless x2
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All type of pipul ada.
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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Oct 8 2021, 01:21 PM)
U must be local grad katak bawah tempurung.

Overseas is 1Y A Level and 3 Y degree. Local is 2Y STPM and 4Y degree.
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Perhaps .. if you want fast track .. go asasi and 3 years also can ..

It's more on the quality rather than the time frame ..

Even in Sg .. the fastest would be 2 years of A levels and 3 years of degree ..

Unfortunately, you're wrong .. I am a 4 year graduate from a lousy University .. I went for fast track .. and I'm a trash ..

Because I am a trash .. I can feel that fast track is pointless .. after being exposed outside Malaysia for my postgraduate
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Just like what has been practiced by Japan all along.

Budak dah besar susah nak ajar dah....
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QUOTE(PowerOfZero @ Oct 8 2021, 12:08 PM)
Titas damn top kek this subject. And the hidden subject biro whatever negara dunoo still got compulsory or not
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QUOTE(Gentleman_League @ Oct 8 2021, 12:13 PM)
Pendidikan moral also useless. Still need to take out extra time to attend classes when i was in uni. wtfark
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Same. SPM level, wanna answer have to hafal exactly as what they want. Apa bodo ni?
If that time they offer C programming, I'll take without even thinking.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 8 2021, 12:04 PM)
belajar universiti di Malaysia jauh lebih LAMA dari universiti luar negara.
Kalau Malaysia nak dapat ijazah sampai 5-6 tahun, di Singapura, Australia dan UK hanya 3-4 tahun.
Banyak subjek Mandatori yang tak beri impak kepada kerjaya Graduan kita. TITAS, subjek Falsafah, Hubungan Etnik, Etika dan Peradaban.
Jangan tambah beban kepada pelajar kita. Bantu mereka menjadi Graduan yang berkualiti.
WE MUST DO BETTER.


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Don't think what he say is right.. local U now all 3-4 years u can graduate already depend on what courses u taken.
did he attended our local u or..

2nd point, it is not about years or the subject, it is more important if u hv quality faculty, professor, 1st class lecturer, then u won't mind taking extra years..
so whether more year or less year, it is irrelevant.

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Unless somebody fail their main subjects and have to resit the lecture
Its the difference of syllabus structure between universities. What's more concerning are not those 'useless' subjects but those useless main courses.
Some graduates cannot find jobs and nobody hiring
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 8 2021, 01:02 PM)
Facts:

i. All degrees need at least 120 credits.
ii. Most degrees run 120 credits but spread through 4 years to not burden students too much, and leave the 3rd sem (short sem) free for break.
iii. If you take out 20 credits of MPWU, then the degree will be short by 20 credits.
iv. When this happens, the programme will fill up the gap with whatever electives they want.

Syed Saddiq is trying to champion the youngsters by making the degree shorter. Taking out the MPWU does not shorten the programme in any way, just merely giving the programmes more flexibility at teaching things that are more relevant.

As a lecturer of 20 years, there are some merit to the MPWU, such as English and stuffs. It's easier to let students learn this rather than wasting our expertise to teach them as part of the program. But I do believe that the schools should determine what's suitable or not suitable in their programmes, not the MOHE or MQA.
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120 credit minimum is true.

But some uni may introduce those elective subjects with 0.5 credit or 1 credit, in what I feel like an attempt to game the system.

IIUM gives 0.5 credit for Arabic language, level 1 to 3, each with a contact hour or 8. Level 4-6 each still have 0.5 credit, but deduct contact hour to 4, i think. (disclaimer: not all students have to take all 6 levels, depending on their specialization, but the contact hour to credit hour ratio is ridiculous enough)

And if I remember correctly, 1 credit for Malay language (2 levels iirc) for contact hour of 3.

The mandatory co-curricular activities also have a credit of 0.5 per semester, for 3 contact hours, therefore requiring involvement for at least 6 semester.

Not sure about other uni of course.
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QUOTE(sameday @ Oct 8 2021, 02:06 PM)
Don't think what he say is right.. local U now all 3-4 years u can graduate already depend on what courses u taken.
did he attended our local u or..

2nd point, it is not about years or the subject, it is more important if u hv quality faculty, professor, 1st class lecturer, then u won't mind taking extra years..
so whether more year or less year, it is irrelevant.
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True like hosp admin course
1 year in Philippines and 2 years in Australia
Ofcoz people choose Philippines shorter and cheaper
Nobody going to ask which better as long as you graduate
But somebody may prefer the longer more relaxed course
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we lack of practical class

pendidikan islam and pendidikan moral should be abolish

deprioritize sejarah
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Oct 8 2021, 02:21 PM)
So bodoh

A university education is not meant to find you a job, so trying to say things like like philosophy is useless to a career is 50% true, but also missing the much bigger picture.
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Agree with the statement on education is not meant for job.
But philosophical subjects should be reserved for those who are interested and not forced upon those with no interests at all.

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QUOTE(Revoz @ Oct 8 2021, 02:25 PM)
School drop out also many has become millionaire tokey.
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School drop-outs know they don't want to study sampah subjects.
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internet get cheaper, i very likey
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:50 PM)
Malaysia nak dapat ijazah sampai 5-6 tahun
biar betul ?
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USA = after high school, take SAT age 17, Uni 4 years graduate age 21.

Msia = high school SPM 17, pre-U 1-2 years age 19, Uni 3-4 years 21-24.

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QUOTE(teikboon @ Oct 8 2021, 12:15 PM)
if his side can win GE
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Give him 20 years bah
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Give him 20 years bah
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 8 2021, 02:34 PM)
USA = after high school, take SAT age 17, Uni 4 years graduate age 21.

Msia = high school SPM 17, pre-U 1-2 years age 19, Uni 3-4 years 21-24.
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not much different

if we both start from high school....
their SAT 1 year??

our pre U like u said 1-2 years...

uni they also 4..also also 3-4


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QUOTE(Strike Eureka @ Oct 8 2021, 12:14 PM)
Those subjects like titas, ethics, if we no study how are we gonna learn cultures or other races and religion which is important to be tolerance and understand one another ?
But nvm la....don't think it matters since Malaysia asyik racing je kan
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Oct 8 2021, 02:54 PM)
not much different

if we both start from high school....
their SAT 1 year??

our pre U like u said 1-2 years...

uni they also 4..also also 3-4
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As far as I know, if we enroll in American degree program in private colleges after SPM, 1 to 2 years local and the rest onsite straight away degree.
No need pre-U becos pre-U is Year 1 freshman year. So 17 yo+4 years = 21 yo.

https://university.taylors.edu.my/en/study/...ml#requirements

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titas very important
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titas is useless, that's true

it is also true that it is the easiest course to score an A.

so yeah, interpret that how you will.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Oct 8 2021, 12:19 PM)
Titas the only subject i took that the group projek got Assignment have to go out jalan2 for shooting video. Damn fun
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mine was a real drag
3 credit hours, sitting in the lecture hall half asleep listening to powerpoint lecture.

and iphones wasn't even invented back then.
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School also got lots of useless shit

Pendidikan moral
Sivik

Better replace with pendidikan kewangan asas or something similar.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 8 2021, 02:27 PM)
Agree with the statement on education is not meant for job.
But philosophical subjects should be reserved for those who are interested and not forced upon those with no interests at all.
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this one actually I quite strongly disagree. In my opinion philosophy needs to be a compulsory subject. It teaches how to question and think about issues. One of the biggest problem in society, especially in a democracy is that most people don't know philosophy, so they don't know how to question policies, rules or values. If you don't understand the implication of accepting certain propositions, you will be tricked and manipulated at worst, and at best make big errors with the best of intentions.
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QUOTE(Strike Eureka @ Oct 8 2021, 12:14 PM)
Those subjects like titas, ethics, if we no study how are we gonna learn cultures or other races and religion which is important to be tolerance and understand one another ?
But nvm la....don't think it matters since Malaysia asyik racing je kan
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jangan provok provok ni ...
semua orang tak suka
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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Need to tongkat some lecturers to teach these subjects. else where they got job?
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My fav history subject was Sejarah Kerajaan Islam. topkek bodo.
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yeah and create more immoral people that hold positions in the banks and medical
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if subject is useless, why study it?
need to be spoon fed learning?
go do diy.
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syed Sadiq graduated from iium and still doing part time lecturing for co-curricular course which he mention as useless and needed to be dropped from the syllabus. How hypocrite can this politician be?

well what you learnt is something that you need to apply, if you learn pendidikan moral which teach what is correct and what is wrong (according to society norm) but you still be an asshole like many politicians here.

do you still blame the lecturer? or look in the mirror?
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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I don't feel those subjects useless
The problems are the syllabus and how lecturers taught it.

Because alot of ppl really no ethics and kurang ajar one.
A lot also lack general knowledge and common sense.
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Pendidikan moral, which idiot thought that's a good idea.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
Pendidikan Moral is the most useless subject
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I want to say other subject but lattew kene ban
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QUOTE(zetshield21 @ Oct 8 2021, 06:11 PM)
I want to say other subject but lattew kene ban
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i read your mind

better dont say it. we all know
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I think the quality of alumni is more important than the duration of study here
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QUOTE(zetshield21 @ Oct 8 2021, 05:11 PM)
I want to say other subject but lattew kene ban
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PUAS AKAN MARAH KO JANGAN

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I think the quality of alumni is more important than the duration of study here
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make contact, connection = money, power.
just ask that new board of director.
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QUOTE(Strike Eureka @ Oct 8 2021, 12:14 PM)
Those subjects like titas, ethics, if we no study how are we gonna learn cultures or other races and religion which is important to be tolerance and understand one another ?
But nvm la....don't think it matters since Malaysia asyik racing je kan
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got travel channel, can travel around, to learn truly about culture.

read something over to pass exam, we never learn the culture well.


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QUOTE(Ayambetul @ Oct 8 2021, 05:25 PM)
PUAS AKAN MARAH KO JANGAN

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QUOTE(malz89 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:54 PM)
Perhaps .. if you want fast track .. go asasi and 3 years also can ..

It's more on the quality rather than the time frame ..

Even in Sg .. the fastest would be 2 years of A levels and 3 years of degree ..

Unfortunately, you're wrong .. I am a 4 year graduate from a lousy University .. I went for fast track .. and I'm a trash ..

Because I am a trash .. I can feel that fast track is pointless .. after being exposed outside Malaysia for my postgraduate
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That's it, it is not about the years, it is about quality. Removing useless subjects will improve the quality of the degree, in addition to make it shorter.

LSE, Oxford, Cambridge degrees are only 3 years. Does it mean that longer or shorter is better? No, it's ultimately the quality that matters.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Oct 8 2021, 12:09 PM)
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Oct 8 2021, 04:44 PM)
this one actually I quite strongly disagree. In my opinion philosophy needs to be a compulsory subject. It teaches how to question and think about issues. One of the biggest problem in society, especially in a democracy is that most people don't know philosophy, so they don't know how to question policies, rules or values. If you don't understand the implication of accepting certain propositions, you will be tricked and manipulated at worst, and at best make big errors with the best of intentions.
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While i don't disagree with your latter statements on the reasons on why philosophy is a sound subject, to make it an examinable subject is absolutely ridiculous. Are we supposed to score distinctions based on what the lecturer dictates?
E.g. not covering aurat is bad. Listening to elders is good. Non-believers should be punished and will go to hell or anything else with that kind of BS?

Instead of philosophy, CRITICAL THINKING is the skill we should impart in every student since young. Why this and not that? Why DAP is bad and UMNO is good or otherwise? Why UMNO goons suck our coffers dry and NFA by courts etc...
So far, i can only see blind followers with a mind that is easily corruptible by *ahem*

You know how shitty and biased it can be, especially with the kind of bigotry we have in our country right?





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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 8 2021, 12:04 PM)
belajar universiti di Malaysia jauh lebih LAMA dari universiti luar negara.
Kalau Malaysia nak dapat ijazah sampai 5-6 tahun, di Singapura, Australia dan UK hanya 3-4 tahun.
Banyak subjek Mandatori yang tak beri impak kepada kerjaya Graduan kita. TITAS, subjek Falsafah, Hubungan Etnik, Etika dan Peradaban.
Jangan tambah beban kepada pelajar kita. Bantu mereka menjadi Graduan yang berkualiti.
WE MUST DO BETTER.


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I agreed to this. Spend many years to get degree in msia. Then work with cheap salary.. . while friends with same years of study overseas comeback with master degree and work higher salary.
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QUOTE(FLYING PANTIES @ Oct 8 2021, 01:08 PM)
Engineering syllabus under BEM/IEM? No?
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No. Professional bodies do not have their own syllabus or curriculum. These are left to the schools. Professional bodies only outline the outcomes that they want from a graduate holding a particular degree (for example a Civil Eng. degree). Then it's up to the school to meet these outcomes however they see fit. The process of certifying and recognising that a school's programme is fitting to a professional body's requirements is called accreditation.

QUOTE(blanket84 @ Oct 8 2021, 01:09 PM)
Why not just all agree to reduce the credits for a degree and abolish useless subjects at the same time? hmm.gif
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Can. We call it a DIPLOMA.
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Useless subjects, yes.

But....excluding A-level/foundation/STPM/matriculation, which degree course needs minimum 5 years to complete apart from medicine and maybe architecture. I think most IT and business courses are 3 years, engineering mostly 4 years.
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QUOTE(thales.of.miletus @ Oct 8 2021, 02:15 PM)
120 credit minimum is true.

But some uni may introduce those elective subjects with 0.5 credit or 1 credit, in what I feel like an attempt to game the system.

IIUM gives 0.5 credit for Arabic language, level 1 to 3, each with a contact hour or 8. Level 4-6 each still have 0.5 credit, but deduct contact hour to 4, i think. (disclaimer: not all students have to take all 6 levels, depending on their specialization, but the contact hour to credit hour ratio is ridiculous enough)

And if I remember correctly, 1 credit for Malay language (2 levels iirc) for contact hour of 3.

The mandatory co-curricular activities also have a credit of 0.5 per semester, for 3 contact hours, therefore requiring involvement for at least 6 semester.

Not sure about other uni of course.
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When you say contact hour, do you mean the duration you spend in class?

There's a specific method on calculating contact hours based on credit value, and it's called Student Learning Time (SLT).

To put it simply, a higher credit value does not mean longer duration in class. In the 90s, it is always assumed that 1 credit hour means you spend 1 hour in class each week. So 3 credit subject means you'd spend 3 hour class instead. This is a simplified calculation, and has been replaced by the SLT.

SLT means the duration you are expected to spend learning for this subject, taking account various methods, such as face-to-face classes, workshops, tutorials or labworks, plus non face-to-face sessions like self-studying at the library, doing homework, assignments, projects and so on.

So let's say for a 1 credit Malay language class, you can spend 2 hours in lecture + 1 hour of group work + 1 hour of self-study a week. While for a Computer class with the same credit value, you'd spend 3 hours of labworks + 1 hour of tutorial (with zero lecture requirement). But if you notice, both subjects have 4 hours of learning time per week in total. That's an example of how SLT is distributed amongst the learning tasks.

I can explain in detail, should you require it.
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ni malaysia la... don't let those who studied at um, usm, ukm, utm, upm feel sad...

ahem... well sad truth. lol uni tak akan maju
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 8 2021, 08:12 PM)
When you say contact hour, do you mean the duration you spend in class?

There's a specific method on calculating contact hours based on credit value, and it's called Student Learning Time (SLT).

To put it simply, a higher credit value does not mean longer duration in class. In the 90s, it is always assumed that 1 credit hour means you spend 1 hour in class each week. So 3 credit subject means you'd spend 3 hour class instead. This is a simplified calculation, and has been replaced by the SLT.

SLT means the duration you are expected to spend learning for this subject, taking account various methods, such as face-to-face classes, workshops, tutorials or labworks, plus non face-to-face sessions like self-studying at the library, doing homework, assignments, projects and so on.

So let's say for a 1 credit Malay language class, you can spend 2 hours in lecture + 1 hour of group work + 1 hour of self-study a week. While for a Computer class with the same credit value, you'd spend 3 hours of labworks + 1 hour of tutorial (with zero lecture requirement). But if you notice, both subjects have 4 hours of learning time per week in total. That's an example of how SLT is distributed amongst the learning tasks.

I can explain in detail, should you require it.
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Oh yes. In your parlance it's SLT.

0.5 credit for 16 SLT is just ridiculous.

But that's water under the bridge now anyway.

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