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Got this message earlier, I am absolutely beyond pissed off about this. Hope Carrot can fill the void. |
That's a bummer for API and Andorid users. |
DarkSky is great except the heat map for precipitation sucks. It doesn't convey the data clearly. |
Fuck. That's what my favorite weather app pulls when you're out of the United States. I hope there's a good replacement for it. |
Oddly, I go on the App Store, and there's no search result for Dark Sky. Is this a US-only thing? |
MightyPez wrote: That's a bummer for API and Andorid users. With that said, I far prefer it to the native weather app in iOS so I'm hoping it starts getting integrated as a default The native one is basic to a fault. It doesn't provide much weather data beyond the very bare minimum. And the fact that Siri only uses it to provide weather feedback is yet another handicap to their virtual assistant. |
Damn. I just moved to Dark Sky after Wunderground reorganized their UI, which I cannot stand. |
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Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” Wow. That's some very cynical dishonesty from Apple to say that and then kill the Android app. |
I don't begrudge the founders of Dark Sky for taking what I am sure is a very nice check. |
Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” By eliminating somewhere between 75% to 85% of worldwide smartphone users?! |
adespoton wrote: Oddly, I go on the App Store, and there's no search result for Dark Sky. Is this a US-only thing? Their maps cover the whole globe, so there's no reason it should be: https://maps.darksky.net/ |
jbmadscience wrote: Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” Wow. That's some very cynical dishonesty from Apple to say that and then kill the Android app. Is it really dishonest though? When Apple eventually uses Dark Sky’s data in the default weather app it will surely reach more people than the handful of Android/iOS users that happened to install the app. |
adespoton wrote: Oddly, I go on the App Store, and there's no search result for Dark Sky. Is this a US-only thing? I personally use their web site forecast.io (with a link saved to my home screen) since the app was never available in the Canadian app store unfortunately. |
SectorScott wrote: I don't begrudge the founders of Dark Sky for taking what I am sure is a very nice check. I am very tired of Apple (and the rest who continually engage in behavior like this) taking a fully functional app used on a competing ecosystem and locking us out of it. Get back to me when Nest devices support HomeKit. |
Is there a case for an antitrust violation here? |
This has been my go-to weather app for I don't even know how long. Apple removing it from the Android ecosystem is a totally dick move. What's a good replacement? |
Seriously? I moved to Dark Sky because they don't track users like Weatherbug and other weather apps. Bad move Apple. |
sneezeparty wrote: This has been my go-to weather app for I don't even know how long. Apple removing it from the Android ecosystem is a totally dick move. What's a good replacement? Gonna second this and cancel my subscription after posting this; can't say I'm keen on funding Apple's dickhole behavior. |
sneezeparty wrote: This has been my go-to weather app for I don't even know how long. Apple removing it from the Android ecosystem is a totally dick move. What's a good replacement? I'm going to Carrot, they pull data from a few weather services. |
jbmadscience wrote: Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” Wow. That's some very cynical dishonesty from Apple to say that and then kill the Android app. Not really. If the move means that Dark Sky is essentially installed on every iPhone, that would be a much larger install base than people buying the app for themselves on iOS and Android. |
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Jarron wrote: Damn. I just moved to Dark Sky after Wunderground reorganized their UI, which I cannot stand. Same here, I'm disappointed and really annoyed they decided to give the middle finger to all android users. I just signed up for their subscription service as well, it was only $3/yr but still really irritates me. I hope the devs enjoy their money... |
Funny. I use to use Dark Sky exclusively and had moved away from it. Mostly because I'm trying to avoid giving any apps location data. |
Isn't the European Model of weather forecast more popular? That's still free. |
kaibelf wrote: SectorScott wrote: I don't begrudge the founders of Dark Sky for taking what I am sure is a very nice check. I am very tired of Apple (and the rest who continually engage in behavior like this) taking a fully functional app used on a competing ecosystem and locking us out of it. Get back to me when Nest devices support HomeKit. Right now if Nest would work consistently with Google Hub/mini without being down every other day, I would take that... Also google removed/modified the command "Hey google, turn all thermostats off" to "Hey google, set thermostat to mode off" You can also no longer say "hey google, show me upstairs/downstairs thermostat" You have to be really incompetent to break basic functionality Edit: I was on the phone with Google support and they said it made it easier to add the word "mode" to every command. I offered to write them a syntax/sentiment parser for free to deal with this idiocy Now, all its doing is making my wife mad, because you cant issue an on/off command without using the word "mode" at specific parts in the sentence.... geez.... this is progress ? |
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This is my favorite weather app and I happily ponied up for the subscription. The precipitation alerts felt like Back to the Future Part II. Now I'll have to try and find something else that isn't a bloated mess like AccuWeather and The Weather Channel. I don't know why Apple couldn't just leave this as a cross-platform app instead of pissing off all of its Android users. |
This is what happens when the company get too big like Google, Apple, Facebook, etc ... they buy out all the cool startup ideas and destroy all competitions. |
GOD DAMMIT! |
Dakel wrote: Got this message earlier, I am absolutely beyond pissed off about this. Hope Carrot can fill the void. As I understand (and as repeated by Gruber), Carrot uses the Dark Sky API behind the scenes. |
jbmadscience wrote: Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” Wow. That's some very cynical dishonesty from Apple to say that and then kill the Android app. Egaeus wrote: Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” By eliminating somewhere between 75% to 85% of worldwide smartphone users?! To take the question straight without any judgement on whether the tradeoff is worth it, the relevant question wouldn't be how many users exist for Android as a whole, but what percentage of them use Dark Sky. Because if Apple makes Dark Sky (perhaps renamed/spiritual successor) the default for weather in a future iOS, than the comparison is near-100% of iOS users. Given the power of defaults, it's extremely conceivable that would be a bigger number. Marketshare is only relevant for developers to the extent it translates into actual installed base, and sometimes that will happen at different percentages for different platforms even naturally. That's why way back when the Mac was able to have a fairly solid software scene in many areas even when Apple was in a far weaker position, and why iOS can have much higher revenue numbers for paid apps than Android. Worldwide Android marketshare is higher, but that doesn't necessarily translate into higher numbers of users who will actually buy your thing. Only Dark Sky (and now Apple) would know exactly what their user counts were like, but it wouldn't be surprising if only a single digit percentage of users on either platform used it (though more might have seen it in the form of other apps which utilized the API, like Carrot IIRC). If so going to default on iOS could make that a true statement, though you'd be reasonable to raise questions like the uneven global impact. |
vdiv wrote: Is there a case for an antitrust violation here? Unfortunately not, unless Apple is a monopolist, which it is not. Still sucks. Exclusivity in general sucks--it's somewhat understandable when there's a technical reason for it (app depends on APIs available only on one platform, or user base is too small to make the porting effort worth it)--but it REALLY sucks when it's imposed so heavily-handed like this. This is just Apple being a dick. |
jbmadscience wrote: Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” Wow. That's some very cynical dishonesty from Apple to say that and then kill the Android app. Apple aren't the ones saying that: ... a blog post from the Dark Sky team announced. The post claims that Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” |
Jarron wrote: Damn. I just moved to Dark Sky after Wunderground reorganized their UI, which I cannot stand. I, too, disliked the updated Wunderground app, but you can revert to the old layout by grabbing the APK directly off the web and disabling auto-update in Google Play. The new layout is version 6.x, the old one is version 5.x. For now it's still updating regularly and works fine. Waaaay back in the day Wunderground redid their web interface and left the old one up as "classic" for like five years, so I'm hoping the old version will continue to work for quite a while. |
Dakel wrote: sneezeparty wrote: This has been my go-to weather app for I don't even know how long. Apple removing it from the Android ecosystem is a totally dick move. What's a good replacement? I'm going to Carrot, they pull data from a few weather services. Unfortunately their main source is Dark Sky. |
JKT wrote: jbmadscience wrote: Quote: Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” Wow. That's some very cynical dishonesty from Apple to say that and then kill the Android app. Apple aren't the ones saying that: ... a blog post from the Dark Sky team announced. The post claims that Dark Sky will now “reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.” I sense Dark Energy at work here Edit: Yes, it sucks when Apple does that. Tim is turning into the Mitch McConnell of Apps |
Some of the reaction seems premature. Might want to wait until they make an announcement about the API. |
Hinton wrote: Isn't the European Model of weather forecast more popular? That's still free. I am assuming you are referring to the ECMWF which is not a forecast but a model (which IIRC Dark Sky uses as one of it's input models). The ECMWF is very good, but on its own is not a forecast and is certainly not an app. It is also far from free. |
kaibelf wrote: SectorScott wrote: I don't begrudge the founders of Dark Sky for taking what I am sure is a very nice check. I am very tired of Apple (and the rest who continually engage in behavior like this) taking a fully functional app used on a competing ecosystem and locking us out of it. Get back to me when Nest devices support HomeKit. While I can understand the sentiment, Apple users aren't locked out from controlling nest thermostats. Add this to the list of apps apple bought and killed on competing platforms. Sucks but that's life. |
I'm more upset about the API than the android app. |