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The Han Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia and Central Asia (including Shiwei who were ancestors of Mongols) centuries before the Mongol empire existed and raped all the Mongol women.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9085500#q9086505

Han Chinese rape of nomads in Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10105977#q10106467

Uyghurs, raped by Mongols and Manchus for 700 years and have Mongol and Manchu rape DNA inside them. Uyghur terrorists kill unarmed elderly Syrian Christian civilians and are BTFO when karma hits them.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9473067
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#q9493164
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#q9477836

Han, no Mongol or Manchu Y DNA like C2a, hated by impotent white trash 4channer neckbeards who can't do shit in real life.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475#q09469707
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475#q9469715

Han genes totally different from Mongol ones, unlike Uyghurs.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475#q9477836

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All your bullshit is debunked at this thread. Han Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia and nomads multiple times.

>>48235048

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048
https://archived.moe/k/thread/48235048

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Han dynasty China and Tang dynasty China conquered and raped the entire steppe from Mongolia to Central Asia.

China routinely destroyed and slaughtered nomadic empires.


China wrecked nomadic empires multiple times from the Xiongnu (Mongolia and Central Asia), Jie, Western Turkic Khaghanate (Central Asia), Eastern Turkic Khaghanate (Mongolia), Xueyantuo and Uyghur Khaghanate (Mongolia). All of them destroyed and massacred by the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty. The Jianzhou Jurchen (Manchus) were under Ming rule and a part of the Ming Weisuo system before rebelling. They were rebels inside the Ming.

Almost all non-Han dynasties were founded by barbarians who were subjugated and conquered by Han before rebelling. The Wu Hu barbarians were slaves of Han Chinese who had been deported into northern China and revolted after a civil war.

Han Chinese dynasties like the Han Dynasty and Tang dynasty defeated, wrecked and destroyed over eight giant steppe nomad empires, the Xiongnu empire in 215 BC and 89 AD, Wuhuan in 207 AD, Jie in 350 AD, the Di in 383 AD, the Eastern Turkic Khaghanate in 630, Western Turkic Khaghanate in 657, Xueyantuo Khaghanate in 646 , Uyghur Khaghanate in 840 and committee genocide in the entire Jie steppe nomad people.

The Qin dynasty defeated the Xiongnu in it's very first battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin's_campaign_against_the_Xiongnu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zhizhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han–Xiongnu_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Heavenly_Horses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_Chao#Control_of_the_Tarim_Basin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jie_people#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate_of_the_Western_Regions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loulan_Kingdom#Early_Han_Dynasty https://arxiv.org/pdf/1210.5702 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kucha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaochang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jushi_Kingdom

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The Chinese conquered Mongolia and Central Asia (including Shiwei who were ancestors of Mongols). China conquered the Gokturks and Gokturk girls became slaves.

The Turkic Orkhon stele say nomad Gokturk girls became slaves to the Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkhon_inscriptions#Relations_with_the_Chinese

>The inscriptions even describe the Turks being enslaved by the Chinese.

> "Because of want of harmony between the begs and the people, and because of the Chinese people's cunning and craft and its intrigues, and because the younger and the elder brothers chose to take counsel against one another and bring discord between begs and people, they brought the old realm of the Turkic people to dissolution, and brought destruction on its lawful kagans. The sons of the nobles became the bondsmen of the Chinese people, their unsullied daughters became its slaves. The Turkic begs gave up their Turkic names, and bearing the Chinese names of Chinese begs they obeyed the Chinese Emperor, and served him during fifty years. For him they waged war in the East towards the sun's rising, as far as Bokli kagan, in the West they made expeditions as far as Taimirkapig; for the Chinese Emperor they conquered kingdoms and power. The whole of the common Turkic people said thus: 'I have been a nation that had its own kingdom; where is now my kingdom? For whom do I win the kingdoms? said they. I have been a people that had its own kagan; where is my kagan? Which kagan is it I serve?'"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/607024

It says it right here.
https://archive.org/details/Ross1930BSOASOrkhon/page/n4

On the next page 865
https://archive.org/details/Ross1930BSOASOrkhon/page/n5

Tang China resettled Sogdian subjects of the Gokturks after defeating and conquering the Gokturks in Mongolia like how Han China raped and conquered the Xiongnu centuries before.
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Tang dynasty China conquered Mongolia in 629 AD and turn it into a military protectorate centuries before the Mongol empire existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_campaign_against_the_Eastern_Turks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anbei_Protectorate

The nomads in Mongolia said China enslaved them. I thought you said they were invincible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkhon_inscriptions#Relations_with_the_Chinese

>The sons of the nobles became the bondsmen of the Chinese people, their unsullied daughters became its slaves.

China conquered Central Asia in 640 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_campaigns_against_the_Western_Turks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong's_campaign_against_the_Western_Regions
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China-Japan relations in the Tang dynasty.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8101383
https://desuarchive.org/hist/hread/8078561#q8118828

Han sex tourism of Yamato women. Chinese men from Nanjing were breeding Japanese women over 200 years before the Nanjing massacre in 1937. There's a huge statistical likelyhood that Japanese soldiers in Nanjing had a Chinese male ancestor in their lineage.
http://www.eastasianhistory.org/39/vos-foibles

>As a matter of fact many Chinese seem to have worried about the education and future of such children. Huang Chê-ch’ing,12 a captain from Nanking, had a liaison with Yakumo,13 a girl from the Iwataya, and fathered a boy Kimpachi,14 his only child. In 1723, when he was 71, he returned to Nagasaki to meet his son. He then brought goods with him sufficient to take care of his son for the rest of his life and asked the Chief Administrator’s Office for a special permit to barter them.[55]

Han Chinese men left massive sperm deposits in Japanese women in Japan since the Middle Ages >>>/his/8301650
>>>/his/8304937. The Japanese government even forced Chinese men to leave sons they fathered with Japanese women in Japan >>>/his/8304946 while they infanticide Japanese boys >>>/his/8305008, expanding Chinese paternal genes among Japanese.

Chinese sex tourists regularly visited Japan since the late middle ages and fathered children in temporary relationships with Japanese women. Japanese designated Japanese girls as karayuki san for sleeping with Chinese men and oranda yuki san for sleeping with Dutch men.

The Chinese men were very emotional with their Japanese hooker lovers and left them sentimental gifts, formed suicide pacts with them and taught them how to make sweets, leaving behind funds for their bastard illegitimate children together.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/35207620_The_karayuki-san_of_Asia_1868-1938_the_role_of_prostitutes_overseas_in_Japanese_economic_and_social_development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karayuki-san

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Mongols are shorter than Han Chinese you dumb ape and those are Kazakhs, not Mongols.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country

Genghis Khan purged tall Mongol men when he was uniting Mongol tribes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_against_the_linchpin

>Genghis Khan used this brutal method against Jamukha's coalition of tribes in 1202. All male captives were forced to walk beside a wagon wheel. If their heads were higher than the linchpin (a pin inserted at the end of the axle) they were immediately executed. The wagon wheel was a large wheel used to transport yurts and other goods. This technique was probably used to preempt against revenge attacks that were common between tribes at this time. If one tribe were to attack another, there was always the possibility that there would be a revenge attack soon after. By eliminating the older males, there was less chance of a counterattack from tribes that were in perpetual conflict due to centuries of distrust and robbery.

This picture of tall nomads are actually Kazakhs, not Mongols. Kazakhs are literally momgrel mutt rapebabies of Mongol men raping Indo-European Caucasian women. Kazakhs have paternal Mongol Y Haplogroup C2 while they have maternal Indo-European Caucasian mtdna haplogroups.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048/#48235184

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Genghis Khan's haplogroup is 0% among Han people.

While Genghis Khan's Y haplogrpup makes up the majority of Kazakhs and Hazaras in Central Asia who have mostly maternal caucasoid mtdna.

Genghis also raped Jurchen Wanyan princess Qiguo but never had a Han wife. In fact Genghis's grandson Kubiak Khan married off one of his own daughters to the Han Chinese Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xiao).

The Ilkhanate ruler Abaqa Khan and Golden Horde Nogai Khan each married a Byzantine princess.
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One DNA test destroys hours of bullshitting. Han Chinese have majority indigenous paternal Y Haplogroup O3a, same as 3,000 years ago, while Kazakhs and Hazaras have paternal Mongol C2 star cluster Y Haplogroup with maternal Caucasian mtdna.
The Mongol empire had Han Chinese nobles like the Kong Confucius family and Song dynasty royal family who married Mongol princesses and Han Chinese soldiers who helped rape Centeal Asia. The Mongols Ilkhans and Golden Horde Khan took Byzantine princesses.

The Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was also never sacked by the Yuan or Mongol empire unlike Thang Long (Hanoi) in Vietnam. The Southern Song Han Chinese emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) submitted at Hangzhou and was then married off to Kublai Khan's daughter in Beijing (Khanbaliq).

Mongols gave women to Han Chinese defectors. Mongol women were married to Han officers and captured Korean women were distributed to Han footsoldiers who defected.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7518011
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7517861
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7452921/#q7460338
Over half the Mongol empire's army against the Jin Han Chinese from the Han Chinese tumen armies of Shi Tianze, Zhang Hongfan, Zhang Rou.

The Mongols only occupied Beijing and other points in the north and demanded Korea pay tribute in Korean women as states in the Korean history book Goryeosa which was never been written or edited in China. Direct quotes from Goryeosa and Robinson's book, neither of them Chinese.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7085984#q7087789
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#q7359369
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#q7359270

The Persian Rashid Al-din also wrote the Song Emperor Gong was son in law to Kublai Khan after marrying the Mongol princes.
The Han tumen General Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman.
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The Xiongnu Qiedihou (Chedihou) Chanyu gave his daughter to the Han Chinese General Li Ling to defect. Chedihou then appointed Li Ling as governor or ruler of Jiankun (Yenisei) were he built a Chinese Han dynasty style palace. Yenisei Kyrgyz (Kirghiz) Khagans (Khaghans) of the Are clan claimed descent from Li Ling.

A Mongol Borjigin princess was married to the Han Chinese Southern Song Emperor Gong (Zhao Xian). Their son was Zhao Wanpu.

Kublai Khan also married off a Mongol Borjigin Princess to the third last Song dyansty Han Chinese child Emperor Gong, named Zhao Xian in exchange for him capitulating and surrendering Hangzhou without a fight. they had one son, Zhao Wanpu.

https://desuarcihve.org/his/thread/7358719#q7359328

Genghis Khan took the Jurchen Wanyan Jin Princess of Qi (or Princess Qiguo) as his concubine. She was the daughter of Jurchen Jin emperor Wanyan Yongji also known as Prince Shao of Wei.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#q7359375

Another Mongol Borjigin Princess A Gai (Agai or Agai Zhu) married King Duan Gong of Dali who was also of Han Chinese descent and they had two children. She was daughter of Basalawarmi, Mongol Yuan Prince of Liang in Yunnan. Dali was a vassal kingdom in Yunnan and the Duan family were paternally Han Chinese who originated from Wuwei in Gansu according to Yuan dynasty records but ruled over a Bai majority population in the kingdom of Dali and intermarried with Bai. After false rumours circulated that Duan Gong plotted to seize power from Basalawarmi as the Yuan dynasty was falling apart and Ming Yuzhen was planning to attack from Sichuan, Basalawarmi asked his daughter to poison him. His daughter refused and warned her husband but he did not believe it. One of Basalawarmi's officers later killed him and she was put on suicide watch by her father. Duan Gong's daughter Duan Sengnu or Qiangna or Qiangnu raised her younger brother Duan Bao to avenge his death. Basalawarmi committed suicide when the Ming dynasty invaded.

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Correction, Qiedihou Chanyu not Chedihou Chanyu.

Genghis Khan took the Jurchen Wanyan Jin Princess of Qi (or Princess Qiguo) as his concubine. She was the daughter of Jurchen Jin emperor Wanyan Yongji also known as Prince Shao of Wei.

None of the Yuan Emperors had Han wives or concubines. They are unique in Chinese history for being the sole dynasty with no Han concubines or wives in the palace. Yuan emperors only married Mongol, Turkic and Korean women.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8078561#q8084675

The Qing and Northern Wei both gave Manchu Aisin Gioro and Xianbei Tuoba princesses to Han Chinese nobles and royal in marriage especially Han Chinese bannermen in the Qing and their emperors married Han. The Yuan dynasty just gave out Mongol Borjigin princesses to Han royals and nobles and none of the Yuan emperors married Han women.

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Rashid al-din confirmed the Southern Song Han Chinese emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) was married to a Mongol princess since he was son-in-law of Kublai Khan.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9469637
>>>/his/9469637
>>>/his/9469475
https://historum.com/threads/song-yuan-dynastic-marriage.180522/

>recently I came across a reference that song emperor gong (zhao xian) married a member of the borjigin clan.
>two questions: what was her name, if known?
>how, specifically was she related to khubilai khan, or any other of his relatives? (ie: her lineage)
>thank-you

>which sources suggest she was khubilai khan's daughter?

>Rashid al-Din writes that Zhao Xian was the Khan's son-in-law (The Successors of Genghis Khan, p.287).

https://archive.org/details/Boyle1971RashidAlDin/page/n291

>As for the sons-in-law of the Qa’an, those whose names are known are as follows. One is the son of the ruler of Solangqa. 192 Another is Manzitai of the Qonqiirat tribe: he is married to a daughter whose name is *Onegejin. 193 Another is the son of the ruler of Manzi, who in former times was their ruler but [who] has now been deposed and resides with the Qa’an in the capacities of son-in-law and emir. 194 And God knows best what is right, and it is to Him that we return.

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Anti-Chinese here also don't hate actual rapebabies whose genetic tests, histories and physical features say that they are mutts while they hate Han

Uyghurs are physically a hybrid between Mongoloid and caucasian, their autosomal DNA is 60% caucasian and 40% Mongoloid, their paternal genetics are an el goblino mixture of different Caucasoid and Mongoloid Y haplogroups like R1a, J2, C2 star cluster (from Mongol rape) O. The history of Xinjiang is also Tocharians getting conquered and raped by Xiongnu, Han dynasty China, Gokturk Turkic Khaganate, Tang dynasty China, Tibetan empire and finally by Turkic Uyghurs resulting in modern Uyghur people

Kazakhs are like 80% Mongoloid, 20% Caucasoid and the plurality of them carry paternal rape genes of Genghis Khan himself, star cluster subclade of y haplogroup C2 but their matenal ancestry is majority non-Mongol, it's West Eurasian caucasoid mtdna. Kazakh culture is hybried between Mongol and Turkic since they are literally the result of Mongols raping Kipchak Turks

Uzbeks are mix of Sogdians getting raped by Xiongnu getting raped by Gokturks with Arab rape and god knows what else added and they show the same hybrid el goblino mixes physically, autosomally and paternally as Uyghurs

So when anti-China spammers praise Kazakhs (literal rapebabies of Mongols as paternal genetic evidence proves) Uyghurs and other half breeds whose whole history is getting conquered and calls them alpha warriors while attacking Han Chinese, we know your agenda isn't truth but only hating China for personal reasons

There's a picture of 6 foot Kazakhs going around and people posting it talking about Mongol or "nomad bulls" to attack China. Yet Kazakhs fit the definition of Mongol rapebaby, they carry Mongol Genghis Khan's paternal C2 while Han Chinese men don't but Kazakh maternal mtdna is not Mongol. The entire Kazakh ruling class, the Tore claimed Mongol Genghis paternal ancestry as a point of pride (but not maternal Mongol ancestry)

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https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#q9473067

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9473075

So being a Mongol rapebaby is a point of pride for anti-Chinese people since they praise Kazakhs, Uyghurs and other actual rapebabies.

Han Chinese aren't the ones with 60% or 50% J2 or R1a. Uyghurs, Uzbeks and Kazakhs are. Han Chinese aren't autosomally 50% caucasian and 50% Mongoloid in genetics. Uyghurs and Uzbeks are. Han Chinese don't look physically mixed between different races like Mongoloid and Caucasoid. Uzbeis and Uyghurs do. Some Uyghurs have Mongoloid skulls but blonde hair or blue eyes, other Uyghurs look like Mongols, other Uyghurs look like brown skinned South Asians. Han Chinese are fully one race, don't look like racial hybrids and don't have 50% Genghis C2.

Mongol ethnicity also runs on paternal lines, if your father is Mongol you are Mongol, because most of them are also rapebabies. Genghis Khan created the Mongol ethnicity in the late 12th century by conquering different Turkic and Mongolic speaking tribes around modern Mongolia and absorbing them into one Mongol ethnicity. Most Mongols are mongrels themselves and show they only acquired their uniform C2 star cluster around Genghis's time (Genghis and his sons raped their female ancestors while killing off male enemy nomads). There's no such thing as pure or unmixed steppe nomads or Mongols.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#q9493164

Uyghurs are very mixed. They are not a pure race like many of them lie.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/uyghurs-are-hybrids

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/yes-uyghurs-are-a-new-hybrid-population

Anti-China incel who normally tried to lie and claimed Han were mixed with steppe nomads (without providing genetic evidence) suddenly changed his tune when someone said Uyghurs had Han blood and went into damage control pulling up genetic tests showing Han DNA is different from Turkic, Mongolic steppe nomad and Tibetic.

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An anti-China incel inadvertently admitted Han Chinese are genetically far different from steppe nomads, Mongolics, Turkics and Tibetics when trying to say Uyghurs don't have Han blood. He provided the genetic tests.

In other tweets he would try to claim Han got genetically changed by Mongolics (without providing genetic tests or any proof) but then gets humiliated and angered like this when he had to reveal the truth with the DNA samples.

http://web.archive.org/web/20190727054522/https://twitter.com/Pozzid0nius/status/1102311812274507781

Whats your source for this? The Chinese gov't???

nMonte G25:

a) Uyghur E Asian ancestry models gr8 using ancients + modern Yi
b) Swapping modern Mongol for G. Horde/Xiongnu:
c-d) Han target NOT preferred over Mongolic/Tibetics
e) Han in lieu of nomads=GROSSLY INFERIOR FIT

http://web.archive.org/web/20190727054522/https://twitter.com/Pozzid0nius/status/1102317489537642496

Here is how the Saka Tian Shan nomads themselves model out
Sintashta = proto-Indo-Iranian, Shamanka = proto-Mongolic (Baikal hunters-gatherers), Shar I Sokhta = BMAC-Indus Valley Culture intermediate, Afanasiveo = Tocharian

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http://web.archive.org/web/20190727054522/https://twitter.com/Pozzid0nius/status/1102317489537642496

Here is how the Saka Tian Shan nomads themselves model out
Sintashta = proto-Indo-Iranian
Shamanka = proto-Mongolic (Baikal hunters-gatherers)
Shar I Sokhta = BMAC-Indus Valley Culture intermediate
Afanasiveo = Tocharian

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https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9469715

Y chromosome confirms it's the same as the original Han 3,000 years ago.

Han Chinese have the same paternal Y chromosome haplogroups as 3,000 years ago and even further back since the Neolithic. Unless barbarian women came and mass raped Han men and added maternal admixture, Han are the same as ancient China.

Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathers

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105691

Ancient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Ago

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0125676 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235620438_Ancient_DNA_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao's_granduncle_matches_those_of_his_present_descendants_a_commentary_on_present_Y_chromosomes_reveal_the_ancestry_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao_of_1800_years_ago

The Manchu-Jurchen paternal C2 subclade haplogroup is competely absent from Han Chinese men. It's only found in Manchus, Mongols and other non-Han ethnic minorities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418768/ https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chuan-Chao_Wang/publication/269876995_Y_Chromosome_of_Aisin_Gioro_the_Imperial_House_of_Qing_Dynasty/links/551cf6240cf2909047bcb445/Y-Chromosome-of-Aisin-Gioro-the-Imperial-House-of-Qing-Dynasty.pdf

>We reasoned that the events leading to the spread of this lineage might have been recorded in the historical record, as well as in the genetic record. The spread must have occurred after the cluster’s TMRCA (∼500 years ago, corresponding to about a.d. 1500) and, most likely, before the Xibe migration in 1764. Notable features are the occurrence of the lineage in seven different populations but its apparent absence from the most populous Chinese ethnic group, the Han.

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Japan whored its women to Han Chinese for centuries.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389#q9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9190120#q9197266


https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/34035201/#q34043055

https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/34035288/#q34037608

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Thread on this with pictures.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10237836/#10239034

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This is what Japan thinks. /pol/ endorsed Japanese man Haku Zynkyoku san (Haku Jinkyoku) 伯壬旭, Kojima Rokan 小島露観. insulted white Europeans claiming that Ancient Greeks and Romans no longer exist. He's saying modern Greeks and Italians aren't the same as the ancient ones because of rape by foreign invaders.

https://archive.org/details/JapaneseSamuraiTeachesHumanityAboutTheOriginsOfTheJewishRace

https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/k/image/1566/27/1566272205468.png

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48382373/#48391631

https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/k/image/1613/81/1613813032563.jpg

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Ralph Townsend's lies were Debunked here for any third party.

>>>/his/6454117
>>>/his/7365806
>>>/his/6454003
>>>/his/7105500

The entire pasta was debunked.
Townsend's entire book is full of lies on history.
>>>/his/7365769
>>>/his/7368422

It's very simple, Townsend provided no sources, primary or secondary for any of the history he made up, kek. Townsend wasn't a historian and he didn't cite a single primary or secondary source for any of his claims. That's all that is needed to debunk it.
Townsend also contradicts himself claiming Chinese assimilated the Mongols then later mentions the Mongols still exist in his same book.
The Chinese violently slaughtered Mongols just a few years before Townsend was born and he claimed Chines never used violence when taking over Mongols.
>>>/his/7625025
>>>/his/7625100
>>>/his/7625154
>>>/his/9599349

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Townsend's claims were ripped to shreds in the links here >>49387161,21

He made up fictional events like Malay pirates causing Chinese to flee the coast, and gave no citations for it. He couldn't even speak Chinese.

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Townsend lies about several historical events- the sea ban and claiming that Chinese never violently fought Mongols.

>>>/his/5612440
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5611675/#q5612440

Townsend admitted in his own book he could not speak Chinese and lied about Chinese history. He lied on the following points.
Townsend claims in his book the Chinese ordered a total evacuation of the coast because they were too cowardly to fight a few Malay pirates raiding it.
The sea evacuation and coast ban was not done by Han Chinese in response to Malay pirates which Townsend claims but instead ordered by the Qing dynasty Manchu Kangxi Emperor to deprive Han Chinese Ming loyalist Koxinga of coastal trade and infiltration. Koxinga and his armies were Han Chinese, not Malays and they were raiding the Qing from islands off the coast.
There was an earlier maritime prohibition against trade by the Ming dynasty but not a coastal evacuation. The Ming Emperor destroyed merchant ships but never forced people to move away from the coast to avoid pirates. Ming generals like Qi Jiguang fought the Japanese pirates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haijin#Qing

China only had one raid by Visayan and not Malay pirates.
Han Chinese violently fought against the Mongols in the Jindandao rebellion and killed Mongols in battle which was within living memory of Townsend while he claims Chinese never fought Mongols openly due to cowardice but only took over by sneaky financial means and never by fighting. He wanted to imply cowardice again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindandao_incident

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Anyone who wishes to read the book- read it- don't just take my word for it

After reading Townsend's book, look at the part where he talks about Malay pirates raiding Chine causing Chinese cowards to flee the entire coast.

Then go to any history book, primary source and secondary source, written by westerners or Chinese.

Do CTRL+F "Malay pirates" and "Chinese evacuating Malay pirate raids".

I guaranted the results will not please the /pol/tard.

Where's Townsend's sources and citations for the historical events he didn't witness? He doesn't have any because he lied.

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Anyone who wishes to read the book- read it- don't just take my word for it

After reading Townsend's book, look at the part where he talks about Malay pirates raiding Chine causing Chinese cowards to flee the entire coast.

Then go to any history book, primary source and secondary source, written by westerners or Chinese.

Do CTRL+F "Malay pirates" and "Chinese evacuating Malay pirate raids".

I guarantee the results will not please the /pol/tard.

Where's Townsend's sources and citations for the historical events he didn't witness? He doesn't have any because he lied.

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https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9587031/#q9599318
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9587031/#q9599281

Townsend didn't only lie about history, he lied about contemporary religion claiming that religion didn't exist in China and Daoism only survived is a philosophy, that Buddhism and Islam exost in name only. Anyone who knows Chinese religion knows that these are blatant lies trying to push an agenda to a religious audience (1930s America). Daoist exists in China as the exact opposite of what he claimed it only survives as religion with supernatual beliefs, gods and rituals and has been dead as a philosophy for thousands of years. Buddhism and Islam are very much practiced.

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Townsend's fabrication of historical events, lying about religion and comparison to Anglo white supremacists like Lothrop Stoddard show he was a shill for Japan when the other white supremacists of his time in the early 20th century who hated China also hated Japan and claimed the were a threat to whites. Lothrop Stoddard never stooped to Townsend's lever and tried to invente his own fantasy history.

Townsend said the US should bow down to Japan's interests and accept Japan in Manchukuo shutting the US out of the market there nstead of the US following it's in monetary and business interests in China (like someone who wasn't a paid shill would do).

Late 19th century and early 20th century white racists like Kaiser Wilhelm II and Lotharp Stoddard hated both Japanese and Chinese and warned that if Japan took over China that Japanese officers would lead Chinese armies to attack all of Europe and exterminate the white man. That's why Kaiser Wilhelm II tried to destroy Japan's power, take away their colonies and encourage white countries to attack them.

Western racists like Lotharp Stoddard and Kaiser Wilhelm II claimed that Japanese officers would lead masses of puppet Chinese soldiers to attack and conquer white western countries. They were terrified if the idea of Japan controlling China and Wilhelm II told the Japanese in their face he would never allow them to take over China because they were not white so he would force Japan to surrender Port Arthur to the Europeans. They hated all Asians and viewed Japan as a threat to Australia, America and Europe.

Kaiser Wilhelm II encouraged Russia to destroy Japan in the Russo-Japanese war and Russian explorers in the east spread Yellow Peril fears against the Japanese.

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Its bullshit in your dumb attempt to defend him because the wokou NEVER triggered the coastal evacuation. The Ming response to the Wokou raids was to repeatedly threaten Japan with invasion until the Ashikaga shogunate handed over Japanese pirates to Ming authorities to be boiled to death in cauldrons. The Ming also fought later against the Wokou in repeated battles under Qi Jiguang and never evacuated the coast. The Ming just implemented trade bans and restricted commerce to ports.

The coastal evacuation was done by the Qing against Han Chinese Ming loyalists in Taiwan to destroy their entire economic base.

Townsend explcitly tries to lies and claim coastal evacuation is Chinese cowardice against foreign pirates. He tries to fabricate history to support his claims.

Dutch captain Hans Putman explicitly said at the battle of Liaoluo bay that he was astonished that the Chinese charging his ships did not fear death or musket send cannon fire as they gutted the Dutch fleet and the Dutch fled. Chinese soldier halbediers also didn't flinch when they massacred Dutch Captain Thomas Pedel's musketeers in hand to hand combat while the Dutch dropped their guns and ran.

Townsend basically lies about every historical event he never witnessed, he claims Beijing's walls were built by conquerors when the Ming dynasty built Beijing's walls. He lied about Daoism and religion, Islam, Buddhism in China being philosophies when its the opposite. Any neutral observer would note that Chinese practitioners are not philosophers but religious fanatics with sincere belief in the divine like white lotus and other sects.

If Townsend was alive today in this atheistic western secular environment he would claim the exact opposite bullshit to make Chinese look bad by claiming they are religious.

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>Anyone who knows Chinese religion knows that these are blatant lies trying to push an agenda to a religious audience (1930s America).

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Coastal evacuation was Qing forcing the entire population of the coast to destroy their houses and move inland. The Ming dynasty never did that. No dynasty did that in response to foreign pirates. If the Ming had done that there would be no wokou raids.

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The Ming government never issued orders to evacuate the coast. The Ming fought against the wokou raiders and deployed military units from all over the inland to the coast to fight.

The Qing ordered the entire coast cleared by force by the army and dragged people inland to cut off the entire economic base for Ming loyalists under Koxinga's family.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Clearance

The Ming Haijin was banning trade, unlike the Qing great clearance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haijin

France,Spain, Portugal,, England, Iceland, Italians and Irish never evacuated their coasts when Barbary pirates raided them. They fought them. The Barbary pirates were raiding European coastal areas to kidnap women.

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The fact that he also lied about everything history related and things he never witnessed also compromises what he claimed to witness personally.

If he had been smart enough to shut about history and only write about events he claimed to observe himself on 1930s China he could have retained credibility since no one could definitely call him a liar. But he didn't and ventured far out of his field and reach in his hit job.

His employer, Japan at the time suffered from tons of negative societal ills. Japan had mentally ill incels going on yobai night rapes and shooting sprees like Mutsuo Toi in the Tsuyama massage. Yobai night rape was an accepted courting ritual in Japan between Japaneseen and women. Japan mass exported Japanese prostitutes called karayuki-san to China and other foreign countries to send their remittances back hometown run Japan's economy. The Japanese prostitutes especially solicited Chinese men as clients.

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The southern Han Chinese Eastern Jin dynasty army in southern China killed almost one million barbarian Former Qin dynasty Di, Qiang, Xiongnu, and Xianbei invaders at the Battle of Fei river in 383 when the Former Qin barbarians tried to conquer southern China from their base in northern China. The former Qin barbarian Di Emperor Fu Jian screamed that heaven abandoned him as his army was slaughtered by southern Han Chinese. 80,000 southern Han Chinese of the Eastern Jin dynasty killed over 700,000 Northern Barbarian Di, Qiang, Xiongnu, and Xianbei soldiers of the Former Qin dynasty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fei_River

Southern Han Chinese commander Liu Yu destroyed the entire northern barbarian Xianbei state Southern Yan and northern barbarian Di state Later Qin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Wu_of_Liu_Song#Campaigns_against_Southern_Yan_and_Lu_Xun

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Bullshit. Han Chinese men returning back north married Xianbei and other barbarians after the Xianbei called on Han exiles in southern China to return.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8078561#p8084685
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Over 50% of Xianbei Tuoba princesses were married to Han Chinese men.
The Xianbei Tuoba married their own princesses to Han Chinese royals and nobles during the Northern Wei princess in northern China.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/33493331/TANG-DISSERTATION-2016.pdf?sequence=4
>Of the defectors and those who surrendered, the noblemen were often given princesses as wives. 322 According to the biographies in the Wei shu and the Bei shi and the excavated funeral inscriptions, more than half of the Northern Wei princesses married Han Chinese men. Among the Han Chinese men, half of them were members of prominent clans in the south or royal members of southern courts who defected to the north, as well as their descendants in the north. 323 Among these men, the prominent ones are as follows: Eastern Jin royal clansman Sima Chuzhi ǁǎ͛e (390 - 464) and his son Sima Yue and his grandson Sima Fei , both of whom were born in the north; 324 Liu - Song prince Liu Chang and his sons Liu Chengxu and Liu Hui, both of whom were born in the north; 325 Southern Qi official Wang Su and his nephew Wang Song (482 - 528) from the illustrious L angya Wang clan; 326 Southern Qi prince Xiao Baoyin (485 - 530), his son Xiao Lie and his nephew Xiao Zan ӗר (502 - 531). 327 Sima Chuzhi, Liu Chang, Wang Su, Xiao Baoyin and Xiao Zan had all been married in the south and were married again to Northern Wei pr incesses. 328 At some point in their lives, most of them experienced a liangdi dilemma.

the three Xianbei tribes in the three dukedoms were vassals and allies of the Han Chinese Western/Eastern Jin forces. They received their duke titles from Western/Eastern Jin, received Han Chinese military officers and soldiers and refugee farmers who moved NORTH towards Liaodong, Liaoxi and Dai to join the Xianbei, and received orders from the Eastern Jin in Nanjing to strike the Xiongnu, Jie, Di and Qiang in northern China.
After the Western Jin and Xianbei smashed the four barbarians (The jie suffered total genocide at the hands of Han Chinese, the Di-Qiang-Xiongnu were crushed at the Battle of Fei river by the Eastern Jin) and then they were all moped up, Eastern Jin re seized the two capitals in the north at Luoyang and Xian and retook Shandong province.
Then the Xianbei finally shook off their vassalage to the Jin and declared themselves independent as emperors instead of dukes and princes subordinated to Jin, reuniting northern China while Jin controlled the south.

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The Xianbei Tuoba emperors announced that the chaos of the other four barbarians was over, that they stabilized northern China and invited southern Han Chinese and royalty to return north. The Xianbei married off their own Tuoba Xianbei princesses to Han Chinese royal princes from southern China like Princess Lanling to Han Chinese Liu Hui. Over 50% of Xianbei princesses were married to Han Chinese royals and nobles from the south. They also gave Xiongnu princesses to them as well.
The Xianbei also set up an entire "Wu quarter" in Luoyang to invite southern Han Chinese descended from northern refugees to return north now that they stabilized it from the others.

Bullshit. China was never conquered by foreigners, all the non-Han barbarian dynasties were founded by barbarians who were conquered BY Han Chinese, turned into slaves & subjects of China but later revolted against their Han Chinese masters. They were subjects & rebels, not foreign conquerors or invaders. China maintained it's political continuity through these dynastic successions
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9085500/#q9086505.
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Xianbei are closer to Evenki, Oroqen, Daur and Mongol in both autosomal and Y haplogroup chromosome DNA than they are to northern Han and southern Han Chinese. Northern Han and southern Han Chinese are more similar to each other than they are to Xianbei and northern ethnic minorities like Mongols and Tungusic Evenkis.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17070809/
Sixteen sequences of the hypervariable segment I (HVS-I, 16039-16398) in mtDNA control region from ancient Tuoba Xianbei remains excavated from Qilang Mountain Cemetery were analyzed. In which, 13 haplotypes were found by 25 polymorphic sites. The haplotype diversity and nucleotide diversity were 0.98 and 0.0189, respectively, and the mean of nucleotide number differences was 6.25. Haplogroup analysis indicates these remains mainly belong to haplogroup C (31.25%) and D (43.75%). According to the published data were considered, we can suggest that the Tuoba Xianbei presented a close genetic affinity to Oroqen, Outer Mongolian and Ewenki populations, especially Oroqen.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263726400_Genetic_Analyses_of_Xianbei_Populations_about_1500-1800_Years_Old1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S1022795414030119
To understand the profile of genetic structure of Xianbei and trace its impacts on the formation and development of the minorities from northern China, we analyzed the sequences of the hypervariable segment I (HVS-I, 16.035–16.398) in mtDNA control region of 17 Tuoba Xianbei remains from Shangdu Dongdajing cemetery (Inner Mongolia). Its haplotype diversity and nucleotide diversity were 0.971 ± 0.032 and 0.0184 ± 0.010, respectively, and the haplogroup status presented 29.5% C, 23.5% D4, 17.6% D5, 17.6%A, 5.9% B and 5.9% G. When the data from Qilang Mountain Tuoba remains and other relevant populations were considered, we found that Dongdajing Tuoba Xianbei presented the closest genetic affinity to Qilang Mountain Tuoba Xianbei. Tuoba Xianbei and Murong Xianbei showed a significant differentiation in the maternal lineages. Tuoba Xianbei may contribute to the gene pool of some northern minorities, and it may mix with Xiongnu in northern China.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014579306012403 https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0014579306012403-gr2.jpg https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0014579306012403-gr3.jpg
>3.3. Haplogroup analysis
>According to Wallace et al. [26], in Asia, the haplogroups include A, B, C, D, E, F and G, etc. Haplogroups A and B lack both the site DdeI 10394 and AluI 10397, whereas C and D contain these sites. Comparing haplogroup G and D, D lack AluI 5176 site, and G has it. For haplogroup A, its characteristic mutation sites are at positions 16362 (T to C), 16319 (G to A), 16290 (C to T) and 16223 (C to T), for B, at 16217 (T to C) and 16189 (T to C), for C, at 16327 (C to T), 16298 (T to C) and 16223 (C to T), and for D, at 16362 (T to C) and 16223 (C to T). Together with Kivisild et al. [27], Kong et al. [17] and Yao et al. [22], we can conclude that the samples ZQ02, 05, 09, 10, 15, 16 and 17 belong to D, ZQ03, 04, 08, 11 and 12 belong to C, ZQ13 and 14 belong to B, and ZQ06 belong to A, but the ZQ18 was not determined (Table 1). The haplogroup frequencies of the Tuoba Xianbei were 43.75% D, 31.25% C, 12.5% B, 6.25% A and 6.25% other. By comparing with the relevant populations, we found that the Tuoba Xianbei ethnic group presented a closer similarity to the Oroqen population (Table 2).

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https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/elliott/files/critical_han_studies_ch8_elliott.pdf
A key element of this universalizing program was to find a proper place for the Särbi in a Chinese world. Beginning with Emperor Xiaowen, Northern Wei rulers employed the terms Hu and Hua carefully, aiming to stress the pre-Han significations of each term. With respect to Hua, the idea seems to have been to shift its meaning away from the narrower, quasi-ethnic sense it had acquired since the Han back to a more general meaning that included all who lived in the Central Plains and the lands surrounding them. As for Hu, this was a term that the Northern Wei scrupulously avoided using to describe itself;33 from the Särbi point of view, Hu were other Others, less civilized and deserving of a lower place in the hierarchy. Their establishment of a “Barbarians’ Hostel” (siyiguan) in Luoyang was one sign of this attitude: an acknowledgment of the existence of a difference between Hua and Yi, and an assertion that they, the Northern Wei, belonged to the world of Hua, even if they had not been part of the original Han order.
The fact was that the conquest and permanent occupation of the Central Lands by Northerners in the medieval period greatly complicated any project of imperial restoration, since any such reunification could not be accomplished on the pretext of a restoration of the Han. That world lay in the past: the last attempt, in the early 400s, quickly failed.34 Instead, the reimagination of a Greater Chinese world required a reconceptualization of empire and political legitimacy in the old Han geographic heartland that was not predicated on the old Han order—an epoch-making moment that, distant in the past though it is, may still be recognized as “a vital prelude to the formation of the modern Chinese nation-state.”35 The inspiration for this reconceptualization lay in the pre-Qin corpus of historical commentaries, in which Hua remained a culturally defined category. This had obvious appeal to the Tabgach, who “had begun to form a consciousness of Zhonghua that was distinct from a worldview that had Han at its center.”36 The success of this enlarged vision of empire required not only resolving the lingering tension between Hu and Hua but also dissolving the identification between the terms Hua (which was meant to apply to all civilized men and women) and Zhongguo ren (which applied only to those who originally hailed from the Central Plains and their descendants). Since Särbi, like Zhongguo ren, also wanted to make a claim to belong to the civilized world of the Hua, a different word was needed to describe that latter group, the Chinese living under Northern rule: one that differentiated the two, not according to region and not according to their place as either “barbarian” or “civilized” people but according to original descent (real or putative), language, dress, and custom. That word was Han.

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It is apparent here that Han’er, “man of Han,” means inhabitants of the Central Plains, that is, Chinese. Hanren also shows up in a discussion of Buddhism in the Weishu:
From now on, if anyone dares to serve the Hu gods by making statues of clay and bronze, they will be executed along with their entire family. Although they are said to be Hu gods, when you ask Hu people today, they say they have no such gods. This [the spread of Buddhism] all owes to those Han scoundrels of former times, Liu Yuanzhen and Lü Boqiang and their followers, who invoked the absurd sayings of those Hu beggars [i.e., Buddhists], embellished by the falsehoods of Laozi and Zhuangzi. None of it is true.40
In his study of the emergence of the ethnonym Han, Shaoyun Yang has found other evidence to suggest that Northern Wei literati were aware of this meaning of Han and that they used it in speaking about their language, that is, as Hanyu.41 Certainly this was the impression held by scholars during the Song dynasty. In Zizhi tongjian, Sima Guang refers to the wish of the Northern Wei ruler to remove the crown prince because “he is no longer like us and has taken on the qualities of the Han.” In his commentary, Hu Sanxing (1230–1302) explained to the reader, “The Xianbei called the people of the Central Country ‘Han.’”42
So it seems that the adoption of Han as a term for “the Chinese” was indeed well under way by the mid-sixth century. By virtue of these semantic shifts, Hua could also not conveniently be used by northerners to talk about Chinese in the south, so a new word, Nanren (Southerner), was introduced around this same time as a means of speaking about them.43 Southerners, on the other hand, continued to refer to themselves freely as Hua and to nomads (former nomads, really), as Yi; the term Beiren (Northerner) also emerged, but as a purely regional referent, applicable to anyone, Chinese or Särbi.44 The long life enjoyed by all these words which remained part of the Chinese political vocabulary for centuries, is testament to the fundamental divide between north and south, a divide eventually papered over by Han.

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The quotation from the Weishu cited above, in particular the phrase qianshi Han ren, offers a clue as to the transformation of the term Han. One possible understanding of this phrase is that it means “a Han person of a former age,” that is, a former Han subject. However, since the figure of Liu Zhenyuan mentioned in the passage is identifiable as a Buddhist monk of the late fourth century, he was clearly not alive during the Han and therefore not a former Han subject. One is therefore led to conclude that Hanren here is an ethnic, not a political, label, an attempt by the author to draw attention to the fact that while Buddhism was originally a teaching of the Hu it was propagated by non-Hu followers such as Liu, who were manifestly Hanren, that is, Chinese. One imagines that the habit of referring to the Chinese as Hanren, “people of the Han,” remained in use in at least some circles and led to the kind of shorthand we see here, where it came to refer to latter-day descendants of former Han subjects who obviously no longer owed any political allegiance to the Han but were connected in other ways (descent, language, residence, custom) with people who had lived under the Han.

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As we have few attestations of Hanren being used in this way before this time, it is difficult to know among which circles this habit may have been sustained. At a minimum, however, these citations make clear that distinguishing between Hu and Hua—or, from the point of view of the Northern Wei, distinguishing between Särbi and Han within the Hua ecumene—was everyday practice. It may have been the continuation of old practice: Just as Rum and Frank continued to be widely used in the Arab world to refer to regimes of Asia Minor and Europe, respectively, long after the demise of the Roman and Frankish empires, so Särbi people simply carried over the custom of referring to Central States people as Han.45 They did add a disrespectful twist, it seems, since the term Han’er is generally regarded as having carried pejorative connotations.46 And after all, ethnic groups often name each other in not very complimentary ways. The terminological evolution we observe in the north in the fifth and sixth centuries is, by this logic, a “natural” outcome of the intensified interaction between peoples who, on both sides, saw themselves as quite different from each other and were poised in distinctly unequal relationships. We can think of Hu (or the much more offensive Lu or Yi) as Chinese names for the Northern Other, while Han (or the less complimentary Han’er) was the Särbi name for the local Other in the Central Lands. We should also expect that the Särbi had another name, in the Särbi language, for the Chinese, which name corresponded to Han.47 Indeed, early on the need to communicate in the Chinese language may well have suggested the need to find a suitable corresponding term, with Han emerging as the most obvious choice.

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Northern dominance over the centuries, and the switch by elites to exclusive use of the Chinese language, assured the rise of the ethnonym Han. But the Northern Wei attempt to reframe the discourse of “civilization” was only partially successful, and they certainly never managed to reunify the world, a task that fell to the Sui and the Tang—not coincidentally, both states that, like the Northern Wei, had strong connections to the world beyond tianxia, that is, to the northern steppe. If one can make a judgment on the basis of the use of terms in the dynastic histories, it seems that Hanren was not very widely used in the Sui. There are only three occurrences of the word in the Suishu, all clearly associated with stories from the Han period; when the meaning was “Chinese,” it seems, Hua remained the word of choice.48 Hua continued in use in the Tang and the Five Dynasties period, but Hanren in the meaning of Chinese came to be used with increasing frequency, usually in a pairing with Fan.49 This same use continued under the Song, when Ma Yongqing, writing in the early twelfth century, could simply remark, “the Yi and Di today call the Chinese ‘Han.’” 50 Yet the situation was not so simple, and Han did not stabilize nearly so quickly. Nor was it universally applied. As in earlier periods, it was at least as common to refer to people as Tangren (men of the Tang) or Songren (men of the Song) as it was to refer to them as Hanren; but when Hanren was used, it did not mean “men of the Han.” It meant “Chinese.” The tendency seems to have been to turn to this word when the subject at hand required drawing attention to ethnic or “national” distinctions that otherwise remained unsaid, whether because they were unimportant or because they were obvious.51 But beginning in the tenth century, Han took on new meanings that considerably exceeded those it had acquired up to that time. To some degree, one can characterize this as the unfolding of a bifurcated discourse, whereby on the one hand administrative exigencies prompted the assignation of the label upon new groups, usually politically defined, while on the other hand the memory of the earlier meaning of Han for “the Chinese” persisted, especially in popular usage.

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Han Chinese genetics threads and Xianbei, Manchu and Mongol genetics.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9507399_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pei_Xingjian
Pei Xingjian (Chinese: 裴行儉), courtesy name Shouyue (Chinese: 守約) was a Han Chinese Tang dynasty general and politician. He was best known for his victory over the Khan of Western Turkic Khaganate Ashina Duzhi. He was also responsible for escorting the Sasanian Persian king-in-exile Narsieh to Persia which was occupied by Arab conquerors. He dedicated most of his life to dealing with Turkic tribes in the Anxi Protectorate.[1][2]

According to his epitaph written by Zhang Yue, Pei had 2 spouses. His first wife was a Xianbei noble from Luoyang. He married his second wife after the first died. His second wife was of Turkic ethnicity.[5] This marital status of Pei made all his children only half Chinese.

Pei had 5 sons:

Pei Zhenyin, half Xianbei and the eldest son, died before his father leaving a son, Pei Canyuan.
Pei Chixuan, one of his younger sons. Had a son named Pei Guangdi.
Pei Yanxiu, one of his younger sons.
Pei Qingyuan, one of his younger sons.
Pei Guangting, half Turk. Xingjian's youngest son. Later became Chancellor of Tang.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8078561/#q8118980_13
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8119566/#q8128869_13
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8101383/#8113948
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#9508255
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10237836/#10240593 Japan whored its women to Han Chinese for centuries. https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389#p9508255 https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9190120#p9197266 https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/34035201/#q34043055 https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/34035288/#q34037608

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Chinese victories against Portuguese, Dutch, French, Cossacks from Russia and Japanese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tunmen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shancaowan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Dutch_conflicts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liaoluo_Bay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Zeelandia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Russian_border_conflicts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taku_Forts_(1859)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tamsui
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keelung_Campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Phu_Lam_Tao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cầu_Giấy_(Paper_Bridge)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bang_Bo_(Zhennan_Pass)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonkin_Affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_(1592%E2%80%9398)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Noryang

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bắc_Lệ_ambush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bắc_Lệ_ambush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baekgang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#China_intervenes_(October–December_1950)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_from_Lạng_Sơn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Tonkin#Character_of_the_Tonkin_insurgency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Expedition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wawon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ch'ongch'on_River
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Unsan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Onjong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taierzhuang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actions_in_Inner_Mongolia_(1933–36) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suiyuan_Campaign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_West_Suiyuan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wuyuan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Changsha_(1939) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Changsha_(1941) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Changsha_(1942) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Changde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Regiments_Offensive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Northern_Burma_and_Western_Yunnan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Guangxi_Campaign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pingxingguan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suixian–Zaoyang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_South_Henan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hubei_Operation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shanggao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Japanese_invasion_of_Sichuan

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Barbarian nomad WOMEN kidnapped Han Chinese boys and brought them to Mongolia for use as eunuch sex boy toys. George Stent said barbarian women used Han boys as sex toys. Not barbarian men doing it, women.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7598270/

https://archived.moe/his/thread/7598270/

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The Khitan empress dowager kidnapped Han Chinese boys for her and other Khitan empresses, princesses and concubines to use as boy slaves.

https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/33815472/#33822381

https://archived.moe/trash/thread/33815472/#33822381

>>>/trash/33822381

The Khitan ruled Mongolia but never ruled China. The only part of China under Liao dynasty Khitan rule was a small strip of land on the border, the sixteen prefectures (16 prefectures) and the Khitan and Han populations were segregated with the Khitan staying in Mongolia and Han staying in the sixteen prefectures. Ethnicity was traced through the father and Khitan men never married Han women in the sixteen prefectures. If they had non-Khitan wives, they brought their wives back to Mongolia and raised them in the Khitan population. Khitan blood never entered the Han Chinese population.

The only exception was when Khitan men raped Jurchen (Manchu) women in Manchuria as part of right of first night but didn't do it to Han women. The Khitan men didn't married the Jurchen women they raped so Khitan rapebabies entered the Jurchens (Manshus) population.
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You'll be crying tears of blood.

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https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/47087764/#47093690 >>47093680 >>47093675
How was Vietnam under Japanese occupation?
Vietnam's capital Hanoi was sacked and raped by 3,000 Mongol and 10,000 Yi soldiers in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam.
The Mongols knew how to counter war elephants in jungles. Mongol horse archers fired arrows at the feed of Vietnamese war elephants at the battle of No Nguyen in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam in 1258. The war elephants stampeded and retreated, trampling the entire Vietnamese army to death and the Mongols won the battle. The Mongols then captured and sacked the Vietnamese capital at Hanoi and burned it, occupying the city and raping Vietnamese women.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9372361/#q9379526 >>>/his/9379526
Vietnamese Wikipedia victory in the Mongol invasions. The actual source says the Đại Việt army was slaughtered and Vietnam's capital Thăng Long, now Hanoi (Hà Nội) was sacked by an outnumbered Mongol and Yi force which withdrew due to malaria and after the emperor of Đại Việt submitted but a Vietnamese Wikipedia editor change the numbers to make Đại Việt seem outnumbered.
https://s1.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1590/01/1590010757514.jpg https://archive.is/BqnPa https://archive.is/Gct0E https://is2.4chan.org/his/1598464281001.jpg https://archive.is/uqtOF
Wikipedia article authored by gooks
>[gook source]
>30,000 soldiers
>of which at least 2,000 were Yi troops
>Western sources estimate
>100,000 Mongols
>10,000 Yi soldiers
What the Western source cited only as "Atwood, C" without title or link actually says
>3,000 Mongols
>10,000 Yunnanese Yi tribesmen
The gooks didnt just add 97,000-27.000 invented Mongol soldiers to the actual 3,000 to cope with their defeat. They where so butthurt that Yi troops raped them (ethnic minority from the forested mountains of China's Yunnan province) so they switch the weight massively towards the "superior" Mongol invaders.
Thats just the first paragraph of the 1st defeat they call a victory.
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What is the history of foreign nomads invading Korea and enslaving Korean people? How many Koreans were enslaved?
Korean women and girls were given to the Mongols as tribute when Korea was the Goryeo (Gaoli, Koryŏ) kingdom and paying tribute to the Yuan dynasty. Mongol men took Korean females as concubines and distributed Korean virgin female slaves and wives to Central Asian Muslims, Arab Muslims and Han Chinese soldiers defecting from the southern Song dynasty. Korean boys were castrated and worked as eunuchs in the Yuan dynasty and Ming dynasty palaces while Korean women were concubines to Mongols, Central Asian Muslims and Han Chinese men.
Almost the entire Hui ethnicity is descended from Central Asian and Arab Muslim men fucking Korean girls and also families in Korea like Jang are descended from Central Asian Muslim men fucking Korean women.
Part 1 https://archive.is/r3DBZ http://web.archive.org/web/20210429213931/https://justpaste.it/4ats9
Part 2 https://archive.is/zmgGQ http://web.archive.org/web/20210429214050/https://justpaste.it/1wr8o
Korean women are also world renown for mass prostitution from the Arab Persian Gulf states to Australia, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Japan and America. The K-pop industry prostitutes Korean women to foreign men.
Even further updated info dump of Korean women international expeditionary prostitution.
Part 3 https://archive.is/imXro http://web.archive.org/web/20210429214005/https://justpaste.it/9ocat
Part 4 https://archive.is/0Mb3e http://web.archive.org/web/20210429214201/https://justpaste.it/6vewk
Part 5 https://archive.is/tQey1 http://web.archive.org/web/20210429214111/https://justpaste.it/9peuc
Part 6 https://archive.is/WBx0s http://web.archive.org/web/20210429214157/https://justpaste.it/7ykeh
Part 7 https://archive.is/EgQFX http://web.archive.org/web/20210429214219/https://justpaste.it/2yccg
Part 8 https://archive.is/HoPH2 http://web.archive.org/web/20210429214237/https://justpaste.it/8ppgs