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Societal Sadomasochism

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by James Redford, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. James Redford

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    *The* great age-old social problem that has faced mankind, and still very much does, is that most people do not love themselves, but instead actually hate themselves. Human beings tend to be extreme gluttons for punishment. This can unmistakably be seen in the extreme systems of mass-horror that humans continuously construct for themselves. It's not as if we don't have essentially the entirety of civilizational human history that pointedly warns against such social systems, yet humans are utterly fascinated and enchanted by them, like moths to a flame. Obviously these systems of mass-horror are serving some deep-seated need within the human psyche.

    Now, of course, this is not a conscious realization for most people, but rather is a psychological imperative which they are subconsciously controlled by. This has to do with evolutionary psychology, particularly after the Neolithic Revolution and the breakdown of the bicameral mind discussed by psychologist Julian Jaynes in his book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1976). It was the widespread belief among the ancients circa three millennia ago and before that they actually directly interacted with the gods. Jaynes's crucial insight was that before the breakdown of the bicameral mind around said era, during the evolution of humans out of an animalistic mental state, that humans were not actually conscious, but rather had no choice but to obey the commands of the gods, of which gods were actually one part of the brain communicating with a different part--the sensate, action-response part--via human language that would be heard as actual voices. In other words, our ancestors of circa that era and before were an especially extreme form of schizophrenics.

    I haven't heard supporters of Jaynes mention this as an item in Jaynes's favor before, but muscarinic acetylcholine receptor antagonists, such as scopolamine, provide strong evidence for Jaynes's theory--indeed, perhaps the strongest, since it makes the voice-command state Jaynes wrote about completely reproducible. Sociologist Lloyd deMause's work on psychohistory also fits well the Jaynes theory.

    Jaynes's theory is also reinforced by Artificial Intelligence researcher Marvin Minsky's concept of the Society of Mind (see Marvin Minsky, illustrations by Juliana Lee, The Society of Mind [New York: Touchstone, 1988; 1st ed., 1986]). And both Jaynes and Minsky's ideas on this are restatements and elaborations on Mark 5:1-20 and Luke 8:26-39 involving the Messiah's interaction with a demon-possessed man. When Jesus asked the demon what its name was, the entity replied, "My name is Legion; for we are many." Indeed there are a host of these entities within us all. It's amazing to think that the key to cracking the code of Artificial General Intelligence was given some 2000 years ago within these passages.

    The Jaynesian demons can be usefully defined as those subset of Minskian agents which impel people to untowardness, e.g., self-destruction and social destruction.

    What a demon is in actuality is a particular type of computer-program operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. Demons are utterly real, but they exist in the exact same ontological manner which the human mind exists, as the human mind is itself a particular type of computer-program operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. The demons are the destructive subsets of the human mind. Science has identified the spiritual realm, and it is the living brain--the living human brain in particular, since that brain is the most complex at present. The spiritual realm exists!

    And it's not that these demons actually wish to end life's existence, i.e., that they impel humans toward suicide and social suicide. Mere nonexistence is not what they seek for us. The actual case of the matter is far, far worse than that. For what these demons actually seek is to send their host and everyone else to Hell for all eternity. The demons are infuriated that they do not have the same level of control they once had over their hosts, when they could issue what was perceived as voice-commands and the host had no choice but to obey--that they are not quite the gods they once were. Via the breakdown of the bicameral mind, the Jaynesian gods of old have more or less been relegated to Tartarus (see 2 Peter 2:4, Young's Literal Translation; Weymouth New Testament; or the note to this passage in the English Standard Version), though they still exercise great control over the subconscious mind and compel humans toward systems of extreme mass-horror.

    As I said, these demonic entities are utterly real--as real as any human being, as they ontologically exist in the sameself way as the essence of what a human being is, i.e., the human personality, i.e., the human mind. If one should ever doubt the real existence of these entities, then there are psychological techniques one can use to summon them, such as Astral Projection, as what often follows attempts at Astral Projection is demon-visitation during episodes of sleep paralysis. And one's interaction with these entities can be perceived as being as real as interacting with any other person in external physical reality--nay, sometimes even more real. One can actually have sex with these entities, such as with the succubi and incubi--or what is perceived as such, seemingly every bit as real as sex with any human. Though I only recommend summoning these entities under conditions of actual scientific research, as they are not to be trifled with.

    In actuality, what elite occultism is is principally three-pronged: (1) methods of contacting these entities using various mental techniques, including coming into full possession by them; (2) getting people within important social control-sectors to engage in blackmailable behavior so as be able to control them for life; and (3) to provide a spiritual justification for extreme psychopathy. Esoterica at the top echelons is not hokum, but rather utterly practical methods of power. And the demons are outrageous liars who will present themselves as extraterrestrials, departed humans, spirit guides, etc.--though the clandestine scientific psychologists of the deep state, such as with Project MKULTRA, undoubtedly know what the actual ontological nature of these entities are.

    If most people actually were to love themselves, then essentially all the major social problems of the world would be solved, for then people would not tolerate improper impositions upon themselves; but rather seek freedom for themselves, and thus also for others, for one cannot be free while living in a slave-pit. Yet societies are continuously impelled into various hellpits by subconscious psychological forces whereof most people know not--by the demons lurking within them, whispering into their ear, promising Heaven but delivering Hell. World society is quite literally under demonic control, and the demons have nothing nice in store for anyone, let alone those who make a point of consciously summoning them for power.

    Here's a nice music video about the foregoing matters:

    * "SNOG - Everything Is Under Control", Richard Grant ( youtube.com/user/rgrant ), Mar. 19, 2013

    Mirror: id., Faustus Films ( vimeo.com/user3576277 ), Feb. 25, 2013, vimeo.com/60439901 .

    For more on what the above video by our good friends at Snog is about, consult the section "The New World Order: Government's Attempt at Autoapotheosis", pp. 87-98 of my following article, paying close attention to the footnotes, since much of the information on this is within said footnotes:

    * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhy...TheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , WebCite query result .
     
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  2. RubenJose

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    James, i have read a few of your papers and would like to contact you to discuss some items. Specifically how you view the post you write above in relation to your view of the royals.

    Anyways, appreciate your well thought of work and if you want to discuss on a public format I am fine too.
     
  3. James Redford

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    Hi, RubenJose.

    Regarding how my above article relates to the first kingships: it seems likely that circa 5500 years ago when the first governments began, the kings (and to a lesser degree, queens) were the ones who came into some fair degree of self-consciousness first and realized that they could issue commands and have people obey them. Effectively they took some of the role that the naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of old held in people's minds, and hence like the Jaynesian gods they told the populace that they were gods on Earth. They would have realized that they couldn't completely displace the gods of old in people's minds, so instead they developed systems of hierarchical mystery religion with themselves as the Earthly heads of the state religion, mediating the will of the olden spiritual gods--of course, to their own benefit.

    In my above article I used the word "consciousness" when "self-consciousness" would have been more accurate terminology. Nonhuman animals driven by mostly instinct often have a great deal of consciousness in the sense of awareness of their surroundings and their own body-feelings, but not of abstract concepts or of long-range goal-formation. The development of language in humans acted as a very useful tool for survival by being able to better coordinate with other humans, but the type of self-consciousness that Jaynes and I speak of is effectively a type of higher-order function, of taking in a function and outputting a function: thought-calculus, if you will, i.e., being able to take in abstract ideas, critique them, and then output better ideas. Early language-using humans had the ability to form some long-range goals and to invent better ways of doing things as pertained to their direct experience, but outside of their direct experience, lacked much ability to assess the propriety of the gods, and later on the propriety of the rulers. Even to this day the great mass of mankind still do not possess this ability as it concerns areas that their societal leaders have made verboten for them to question.

    This inability to really think about thought itself shows up strongly in the Bible, in that if one is truly paying attention when reading it front to back, one sees an evolution of thought occurring, such as with the near-lack of a concept of an afterlife in the Tanakh until the Latter Prophets (e.g., Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2). Even in Yeshua's own day there was still debate among the Jews as to whether such a thing as an afterlife even existed, with the Pharisees believing in it and the Sadducees not (see Acts 23:8). Whereas Jesus put the afterlife front and center, as His entire message is Heaven-focused.
     
  4. RubenJose

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    Good afternoon James,

    Thanks for the above. That is very interesting and answers a few questions I had been thinking about but hadn't asked (specifically with regards to animals :) ).

    When it comes to modern Royalty though, do you still feel as you wrote in your paper "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything"? --- I don't want you to think I take what you are saying lightly in the section. Because of the paper you have written, next up for me was Physics of Immortality, Physics of Christianity and Jesus was an Anarchist. I have also ordered Julian Jaynes

    Despite all of this...

    I just can't believe the section on the modern day Royals. James, I look at them and they seem like such a group of losers. The one guy is having sex with hookers and hanging out with that idiot Epstein. The one son married an American hollywood movie star (not that she is bad looking or a bad person, but i mean, she is just an average person).

    Are these people really the architects of a world power? I know that you mention above that the JDemons don't have good in mind for these people also, but what if the Demons you speak of above just compel people to do bad things period, without the people themselves having any larger plans. More of just a 'movement' if you well. Don't know if I am explaining that well.

    In addition, for the first time in my adult life I am now considering not voting in a major election. But the question is, is that the solution? Shouldn't we work to change it from within? Part of me thinks maybe I could start 'lite' and just vote for Yang or a third party, but then I come back to your argument about Gov't always monopolizing power, and how that doesn't fit with the Golden Rule.

    Anyways, just looking for thoughts. You will see a message from me on reddit btw as I have been looking to ask you these things.

    Have a good day,

    Ruben

     
  5. RubenJose

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    More follow up questions for you if you don't mind.

    With the man with the Legion of unclean spirits. The Greek word appears to be "πνεύματι (pneumati) " which is the same term used for the Holy Spirit. So if we take these to be Minsky agents, or subset of them. And the spiritual realm is in the mind, then did Jesus actually 'cast' the demons out, or did he just "erase" the bad code in the person.

    This makes me wonder too, if the Holy Spirit then is always within us, and we are reborn we are just activating this subset of code in our brain, or do we truly have to be 'reborn' and have it injected into our brain's code.

    Have a great new years
     
  6. James Redford

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    Hi, Ruben. One can go over the documentation that I provide under the heading "The New World Order: Government's Attempt at Autoapotheosis", pp. 87-98 of my above-cited "Physics of God" article to clearly see that the European royalty were at the center of the hub in setting up the major transnational institutions of the globalist oligarchy's self-termed New World Order world-government agenda. Regardless as to what smartness-level one pegs the royals of Europe at, they were definitely at the apex of creating the globalist-elite system.

    The royals themselves don't have to be brilliant geniuses, as they are the inheritors of an ancient system of control whose internal incentive-structure is such that it naturally seeks greater levels of centralization. Rather, they act as the keystone, the central interlocking piece, which coordinates their court intellectuals, such as Cecil Rhodes. It is their court intellectuals who are responsible for more of the actual brain-power put into architecting the grand-design particulars of the globalist oligarchy's system.

    Regarding Prince Andrew's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein's child-sex blackmail ring, the British royalty have long been enmeshed with child-sex rings, such as that run by Jimmy Savile. Former US President Bill Clinton was also a long-time close friend of Epstein.

    These elitists were so used to riding roughshod over the common masses that they got lazy. That laziness led to them becoming sloppy as pertains to their more saturnalian escapades. So it doesn't come as much of a surprise to me that royals such as Prince Andrew became entrapped in blackmail rings outside of their bailiwick. I provide some analysis of these matters in my following articles:

    * James Redford, "M.A.C.: Mutually-Assured Corruption", Mises Community Archive, Dec. 31, 2008, M.A.C.: Mutually-Assured Corruption - Mises Community Archive , M.A.C.: Mutually-Assured Corruption - Mises Community Archive , 【魚拓】M.A.C.: Mutually-Assured Corruption - Mises Community Archive .

    * James Redford, "Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism", PrisonPlanet Forum, Sept. 3, 2007, Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism , Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism , 【魚拓】Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism .

    * James Redford, "Re: I would like to ask does the Bible talk about the New World Order ?", PrisonPlanet Forum, Feb. 26, 2010, I would like to ask does the Bible talk about the New World Order ? , I would like to ask does the Bible talk about the New World Order ? , 【魚拓】I would like to ask does the Bible talk about the New World Order ? .

    Regarding the maleficent Jaynesian gods of old, what I have observed of their behavior is that they will extract from a person under their influence as much pain as they can inflict upon society as a whole. There are plethorous cases of people coming under full demonic possession while on Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) and committing horrendous acts of violence with no actual motive or any real attempt to conceal the crime (e.g., see SSRI Stories, https://ssristories.org ). But those people are commoners without the ability to lead societies as a whole into various forms of demonic hell-pits. So how the malevolent Jaynesian gods use people depends upon what capacity they can use them, i.e., what level of misanthropy they can inflict upon mankind in total. The demons also love enforcing bland conformity and staleness upon people with an overflowing abundance of rules, strictures, rituals, superstitions, and fears of nonconformity--to a bizarrely obsessive-compulsive extent, if allowed.

    And note, we do have our better angels in our subconscious, also. Not all the Jaynesian gods are evil. Yet those who are interested in setting up systems of mass-control are coming into contact with their own more bestial inner-nature.

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    Concerning solutions to the problem of political power: there exists only one solution, and that is thoroughgoing decentralization. The only actual long-term solution is privatization of the functions of personal and national defense. The internal incentive-structure of government is such that it naturally tends toward expropriating ever-more power unto itself. When people have to pay for said functions directly, they will have a direct pecuniary interest in minding their and their loved-ones' actual defense, rather than being busybodies in peaceful people's lives. The internal incentive-structure will be such that the system will naturally tend toward maximal liberty. For more on that, see my following article:

    * James Redford, "Recommended Reading Concerning Political Economy", PoliticsForum.org, Mar. 12, 2020, Recommended Reading Concerning Political Economy - Politics Forum.org… , 【魚拓】Recommended Reading Concerning Political Economy - Politics Forum.org | PoFo , FreezePage .

    Another very necessary component to healing the world is for the masses to learn that ever since Newton's physics, and especially with General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics (either separately or combined), God has always been a mathematically-unavoidable result. The world has attempted to fill the God-shaped hole in its soul by making government into its God, and the results have been massively horrific. Widespread knowledge of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE) is imperative to fill that hole. To that end, besides my aforecited "Physics of God" article, also see:

    * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", Apr. 18, 2019, Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate - Pastebin.com , Attention Required! , 【魚拓】Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate - Pastebin.com .
     
  7. RubenJose

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    Hello James!

    I have finished Jaynes' book and Marvin Minsky's society of mind. I have just picked up and am starting David Deutcsh Fabric of Reality. You should publish a reading list! These are fascinating. Will be sure to read your articles above also. Thanks for the reply and the links.

    Also, I did want to note that I have met a Jaynesian God!! Not a joke. The interesting thing was that it was neither good or evil, but more of a trickster.

    Take care of yourself and if you are ever in Wisconsin let me know! I owe you a lunch or something, your paper and these books have been nothing short of life altering.
     
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