"Sweden never aimed at herd immunity", a thread (1/n)
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Herd immunity in April/no, in May/no, in June/no, when the last light of Durin's Day will shine upon the Lonely Mountain (2/n)
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"Herd immunity can be more effective than a vaccine" (3/n)
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Strategy (4/n)
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(a personal fav of mine) "goal = herd immunity" literally in the middle of a slide (5/n)
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First effects of herd immunity in April, according to Tegnell (6/n)
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Very promising (7/n)
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Ok, maybe a bit later on (8/n)
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Ok, maybe a bit later on (9/n)
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Ok, maybe a bit later on (10/n)
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"the people who are frail and old will die first. And when that group of people is sort of thinned out, you will get less deaths as well" (Johan Giesecke, min 10:02) youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JW (11/n)
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Why lockdowns are the wrong policy - Swedish expert Prof. Johan...
That was one of the more extraordinary interviews we have done here at UnHerd.Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advis...
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"I think the virus will sweep like a storm over Sweden and infect basically everyone in one or two months (..) It will end when enough people get infected and then immune, so that the virus has nowhere to go (the so called 'herd immunity')" (Johan Giesecke, March 13th) (12/n)
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"Almost all Norrbotten residents will be affected by the coronavirus in some form before flock immunity arises", according to infection control doctor Anders Nystedt. svt.se/nyheter/lokalt (13/n)
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"The Swedish slogan should be 'Get infected at the right pace' " (March 27th) (14/n)
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(Swedish ambassador to the US, min. 3:20) "right now we know that Stockholm has about 25% of herd immunity" (whatever that's supposed to mean) video.foxnews.com/v/615483218100 (15/n)
Swedish ambassador to the US on her country's path to 'herd immunity'...
Amb. Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter joins Tucker Carlson on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight.'
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"Herd immunity is how you control the pandemic" (prof. Matti Sällberg in March) (16/n)
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"And that's when we approach flock immunity" (Tom Britton, April 20th) (17/n)
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"One point in favor of keeping schools open is that we would reach herd immunity faster" (Anders Tegnell, March 14th) (thanks to & for the contribution)
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"I think all countries, all epidemiologists you talk to will agree that herd immunity is the one thing that will eventually slow down the spread of this virus, nothing else will slow it down in the long term" (min 1:06) youtu.be/0wpkFZUougc?t= (19/n)
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"This is how we succeed with herd immunity", Jan Albert, April 24th (20/n)
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"It is not possible to stop an airborne infection. It will only end once we have achieved herd immunity"
J. Giesecke, April 19th
4 months later the official FHM guidelines still claim that "the most common way of spreading infection is through our hands"
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Option 1: 4 weeks lockdown
Option 2: track, trace, quarantine
Option 3: let the virus spread to achieve an hypothetical herd immunity
"We evaluated all options and ultimately chose option n.3"
(Anders Tegnell, March 15th 2020)
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"Today on DN (Swedish daily) they apparently deny that herd immunity exists. The whole world went crazy"
Anders Tegnell, March 19th 2020
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“We also need to understand that this complete lockdown has had a big effect, it actually stopped the epidemic in many countries..."
Anders Tegnell, May 8th 2020
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jorgenponder — om coronavirusepidemin
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Anders Tegnell, Sweden's State Epidemiologist May 8 2020:
Lockdowns can stop the spread
Countries that do so have lots of people uninfected
For Tegnell both are bad. He never bothered taking in data on deaths, on ICU load. With him, Sweden still fights reality & reality wins
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"...Austria, Finland among them, they are now having maybe 1% of the population who had the disease, which means that 99% of the population is susceptible to the disease”
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"The disadvantage of a complete lockdown is that there is not much spread of infection..."
Anders Wallensten, Sweden's deputy state epidemiologist, April 23rd 2020
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”Nackdelen med en lockdown helt är att det inte blir så mycket smittspridning...” - Anders Wallensten på @Folkhalsomynd pressträff 23 april #fhmgate
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"We sat in meetings with the Prime Minister and heads of responsible authorities who discussed the benefits of a greater spread of infection, saying that we would achieve immunity faster than other countries"
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Thank you for this thread. Journalists should have done this critical analysis a long time ago.
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Kids getting back to schools next week, 2 weeks for the first wave to develop, 2 more weeks till 2nd... Prediction (and I hope I'm wrong this time): new deaths spike by September 14th so reported about 23rd.
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Keep an eye on the timeline in The Netherlands too. The strategy seems to be very similar.
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En massa artiklar där olika människor säger olika saker. Men ändå saknas en kommentar från GD Johan Carlson eller Tegnell där de säger att detta strategin som man arbetar efter?
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Saknar fortfarande journalister som frågar om verkliga exempel på att man någonstans någon gång har uppnått flockimmunitet utan tillgång till vaccin.
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Thank for this thread! I don’t remember how many times I’ve seen Swedes saying « I’m so tired of hearing that the strategy is to reach herd immunity. Tegnell never said that! » 
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scandinavian numbers:
Sweden (popul.: 10 mil.): 83k cases / 5770 deaths;
Norway (5 mil.): 9k / 256;
Finland (5,5 mil.): 7k / 333.
“herd immunity” policy multiplied deaths (rate by population 11 times higher than in the neighboring states)!
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bäst i världen, bäst i världen, bäst i världen... uhm, slumpen.
så otur.
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Yo can now include his email: "One point in favor of keeping schools open is that we would reach herd immunity faster"
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Try replacing “herd immunity” for “byproduct of our strategy”: byproduct of our strategy - where we need to go; Stockholm can reach byproduct of our strategy in May; goal = byproduct of our strategy; begin to see the effects of the byproduct of our strategy; etc.
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I've read it out loud and accidentally summoned Karin Tegmark Wisell
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Stockholm has herd immunity so it is possible. Only 8 in intensive care today (used to be hundreds in april). No covid19 deaths in a fortnight (used to be 50 a day in april). Safest place to visit or to be visited from.
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Skåne has 4 today and has had as Low as 1 in ICU. And we are no where near heard immunity... how do you explain that? Schools closed for 2,5 months maybe?
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Salam, here is your unroll: : "Sweden never aimed at herd immunity", a thread (1/n) Herd immunity in April/no, in May/no, in June/no… threadreaderapp.com/thread/1293527 Have a good day. 
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The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
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Nevermind herd immunity in Sweden. Denmark has currently got the risk of becoming Europe’s Wuhan due to infected 3 million mink in fur farms. COVID-19is showing mutation, farmer-mink-farmer, possibly making vaccine redundant or ineffective new info finds.
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No matter how dumb a government has been, and how poorly they have dealt with Covid-19, they can always point to Sweden as an example where their government has been far worse.
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Just back from Sweden. Close to 'old normal' there, except for arts and sports (events only <50 people). Extra recommendations for some regions to be extra safe. Overwhelming majority of scientists/public are behind this. FHM currently enjoys its highest support rating.
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You might need to return to Sweden and update your findings.
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Bonjour, you can read it here: : "Sweden never aimed at herd immunity", a thread (1/n) Herd immunity in April/no, in May/no, in June/no… threadreaderapp.com/thread/1293527 Enjoy :)
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Halo! the unroll you asked for: "Sweden never aimed at herd immunity", a thread (1/n) Herd immunity in April/no, in May/no, in June/no, when the last… threadreaderapp.com/thread/1293527 Enjoy :)
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Ander Tegnell confirms that Sweden is tracking well towards herd immunity, 08:10
"For how long we have immunity we don't know. By we really count at least long enough to achieve HERD IMMUNITY."
Anders Tegnell confirms that Sweden is tracking well towards herd...
In this highly truncated extract from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo10IIMHYXk dated 16 April 2020) Anders Tegnell clarifies that deaths have ...
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Hallo, the unroll you asked for: "Sweden never aimed at herd immunity", a thread (1/n) Herd immunity in April/no, in May/no, in June/no, when the last… threadreaderapp.com/thread/1293527 Have a good day.
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