The Problem with PUA Advice: 6
A recent post at Roissy, illustrates one problem with ‘game’ in an obvious manner. I should mention that many of the posts which brought him notoriety had a similar theme.
The theme is- You have to play mind games to keep fucking them.
While I have doubt about the efficacy of such advice, it brings up an interesting and rarely discussed question.
What is the whole point of spending 23 hours dodging shit and playing mind games with women to get 1 hour of pussy?
Of course, white fatalistic men will drag our various reasons- from evo-pysch to the ‘life is unfair’ crap. But really.. why on earth should you have to put all that effort to get ‘unpaid pussy’?
It is just pussy! Only in the modern west, and some east-asian countries, is pussy a valuable commodity. In every other country decent looking pussy is inexpensive and easily accessible. The reasons behind the attitude of women in the west, and now east-asian, countries is linked to something that most of you do not want to comprehend.
You are stupid enough to protect women without any quid pro quo.
In most other countries, ONLY attached women are protected. Unattached women are largely on their own, even if they have a job.Almost nobody is going to help ‘damsels in distress’ unless there is a reasonable chance of obtaining something in return. In the west, men are stupid enough to help women even if there is no realistic chance of any reciprocation.
In most other countries, being physical and overt when you flirt or have sex with a woman is NORMAL. Only in the west is such behavior seen as criminal- if the woman chooses so chooses. I am not suggesting that stalking a woman in any culture is seen as acceptable, but fairly aggressive flirting is acceptable in most cultures- even fairly conservative ones.
If you raise the price and value of pussy through artificial means, don’t complain when those who have it will use that to manipulate you.
Game, as you know it, exists because men like you help prop up the price of pussy. Stop supporting the rigged market of ‘unpaid’ pussy.
Note that I did not say- don’t have sex. On the contrary- you should be able to buy, or get, as much sex as you desire.
But that will never happen as long as getting ‘unpaid’ sex gives you a false sense of achievement.
What you really want is sex with an attractive, enthusiastic and reasonably safe woman- ON YOUR TERMS. But it is you who believe that sex is a gift few men deserve. Keep shooting yourself in your dick.. it is quite entertaining to watch so-called ‘intelligent’ men fuck themselves so badly.
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Agreed woman are upping the price past the point of return.
But yea that is why if you learn to fuck well you convert the paid pussy to unpaid and chill.
Have you converted any of the woman you pay for?
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Yes, quite a few- though I try to keep paying them at some level. The totally free stuff comes with too much shit.
Oh and right now I am working on getting a chick with some pretty nice monetary assetts to maybe be part of my family so yea game can work to.
So yea guys just have to up what they expect from woman fuck what woman expect from men.
Basically it is for a man once you get past a certain experience in fucking you can pretty much own woman because that is what woman want out of life in the basest form.
But just paying for pussy kind of sucks. I don’t have to do anything I don’t want to do. My house is clean my clothes are washed and all the mundane shit of life my wife happily does as long as I fuck her and provide some starter loot.
Not a bad deal.
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Don’t kid yourself, married women own their husband’s ass- courtesy the legal system.
I want to create an empire though so this is kind of the way I have to go about it.
If I want mass kids I got to break down some bullshit sometimes.
What is your take do you think the converted chicks really fall in love since they know how much the pussy is worth and willing to give it to you for almost free?
Well of course I moved out of that system.
But also noone can own you if your noble no matter what rules are in place.
First wife didn’t own me in us.
basically you keep a bitch from owning you by never lieing.
So you tell them what your pefect idea of a relationship is and then expect them to keep that. You actually come up with a list of shit she is responsible for.
When you speak of “most other countries”, it sounds like you are referring mainly to Latin America and Eastern Europe/Russia. Perhaps they don’t white knight in Muslim countries, but is physical flirtation really considered acceptable there? Is prostitution?
Even in Russia and Ukraine, prostitution is illegal, although I’m sure it’s an available service despite that.
What, then, would be your stance on using Game for an unpaid pump & dump?
A recurring theme in your posts is “on my own terms”
What do you mean by this? What is so important? Please explain.
He doesn’t want to learn openers, routines, negs, push pull, phone/texting technique, target isolation, kino and any other game related song and dance to get an hour of sex. Most guys who aren’t super goodlooking or “cool” like a musician for instance, have to do these things if they want to get laid on a consistent basis. Gaming can be very involved and tedious. Look at Roissy’s archives for examples. Some of these scenarios are beyond ridiculous. All this to have sex with a woman who won’t do it unless you turn off all the lights. Jesus.
Why bother with any of this when you can book an 8 as easy as ordering a pizza? It’s the simplest route from point A to point B.
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Bingo!
A good story that illustrates this:
There once was a monk who meditated by the riverfront everyday for twenty years. One day a local saw him and asked why he was smiling to himself. The monk answered “After so many years concentrating and learning how to make myself as light as a feather, I can now walk across this river like it was solid ground.” The local laughed and said, “You’ve wasted half your life. I can pay $5 and take the ferry.”
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The monk was buddha, and ferry ride cost 5? pieces of copper.
Also, success in PUA relies upon being verbally clever, and being able to improvise rapid-fire witty comebacks on queue that don’t sound rehearsed. I’ve never been clever in that regard, and I’m not convinced that one can train themselves to be, and I haven’t seen this particular issue addressed.
Regardless, the investment is too high for me. I want to go to work, participate in my two athletic hobbies, bike home, and sit in front of the computer until I want to go to sleep. I like being antisocial. Not everybody wants to spend their time in the manner recommended by PUAs.
I totally second what Chris said. The reward and payout is so uncertain.
Absolutely, chris. I believe that some guys are at a disadvantage because of that verbal angle.
The kind of woman that demands you to be rapid-fire witty and engaging,
would drop her pants for a guy who raped children as long as he was handsome.
Women demand compensation from guys they are not attracted to.
The guy they are attracted to could be a murderer and/or a pedophile and that doesn’t count since he’s cute.
Proof: Atomic BlackPill:
lol @ jOE
Have you seen this blog?
http://tomenunite.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-experience-with-ontario-women.html
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It is true. The problem is seen in all western and west-inspired cultures.
Thanks for the excellent link. Seems like the PUA backlash is taking off.
VERY good link!
Expounds greatly on what I tried to point out in that reader mailbag discussion on roissy.
Naturally nobody listened.
PUAs are indeed perverting the good thing about “game”, namely freeing manginas from their feminist blinders and pedestal worshiping of feministas.
They take this great realization/tool and fuck it all up by becoming just the same whores they game. Turning into nothing more than feminist pleasing live dildos and manipulative drama source devices.
dudes are part and parcel to blame. how many fucking jerkoffs are out buying chicks shit, taking them to dinner for not so much as a handjob…..sat next to this chick on a date last night when i was playing trivia, homegirl ordered mad shit off the menu, her body language was fucking more into me than the dude who was picking up the check.
it was awful. and that dude is part of the problem. his terrible fucking game is making part of the maelstrom of shit tests the rest of us endure b/c girls have to be extra careful to screen out the fuckin’ losers.
Game is a game. Dungeons and Dragons is an absolute waste of time and resources and yet people play it and have fun. (On the flip side, though, you shouldn’t have to spend years playing D&D to be able to enjoy a fantasy novel; and guys shouldn’t have to spend years playing Game to be able to enjoy a nice girl)
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That is the whole point.. why are you not worthy of having good sex with a hottie of your choice.
Keep rationalizing, sucker.
I think it’s still valuable to learn Game because of it’s efficacy in undoing female pedestalizing beliefs in the average man’s head.
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Agree!
I knew there was something rotten in women since I was a teenager but I didn’t put my finger on it until I started learning about Game.
But, agree Game/PUA in many ways takes women off of one pedestal and puts them on another one.
In one of Mystery’s books he talks about how once you internalize a certain set of behaviors you don’t really need Game/PUA. Unsurprisingly, many of those behaviors have a strong hint of indifference towards women. Speaking personally, once you develop that indifference there’s just no reason to bark like a PUA-trained seal for women anymore…
I agree with this. I am trying to learn how to internalize the behavior and attitudes. This should also have the benefit of improving my abilities in both business and social interactions.
As far as the money, learning Game looks to be a better deal than spending $10K/year on working girls, particularly in the US where I have found the quality of paid sex to be abysmal.
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Ever wonder why?
To put it in simpler terms, I think that learning Game is a better investment than spending $10K.
I think it’s still valuable to learn Game because of it’s efficacy in undoing female pedestalizing beliefs in the average man’s head.
Yes, that’s the good thing about Game. However, I didn’t need game for me to undo that overvaluing shit. All it took for me was experience, balls and having attractive women (escorts, Plain Janes and strippers) on rotation who reciprocated. In short, all it took was experimenting with multiple women. Then you realize there is no soul mate, they are not special and therefore, you don’t have to waste your time and money and take her shit. I didn’t need to read a book of Game or read RooshV, Tariq Nasheed or CH to figure that out.
Whiteknighting for women is stupid, unless you are getting your bit on the side
(Thanks, LeeByungHun)
Women overlook offensive guys if they’re good looking.
“Women want their men to be of good character”
Which is the bullshit statement? Image follows…
Hi guys! First off I like to thank the author of this blog for providing these excellent posts.
I myself have very similar point of views regarding the topic of women/escorts with a few exceptions.
I would like to learn more about what you call “game” to improve my relationship with women, to understand them better. I have very little experience and I would like to have a LTR, at least give it a try. I know some friends who have actually very long lasting relationships and some have married. Of course they had their ups and downs. BTW I come from eastern Europe, the girls are not so open minded about sex here as in the western countries.
Can you suggest me some material since there are so many PUA, hopefully not very long that I can actually practice in real life? I am pretty shy and I don’t have good social skills but I want to improve. Something that helped you when you started dating.
I could afford to pay escorts since I have a decent salary but I don’t want to go on that route just yet. Also I don’t think seeing an escort would help me much with plain girls (feel free to contradict me if I’m wrong)
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Ok so this guy sais a man should never approach. What if I get no IOI from women what so ever, or the women that could be interested might not show it. What then? Stay lonely for the rest of the life?
@anarchist18: No, build wealth and then buy love.
Women only “love” a man when they know he can easily replace her with someone else.
Or they need his earning ability.
Remember (this is related):
Guys, you need to understand something. It’s very simple.
Women only love you to the extent that they need you. Once they don’t need you any more, you
are history.
So when I married, I used a very simple strategy: I married a very nice woman who I knew for
a fact could never build her own career. She wasn’t quite a “smart” as I wanted, but she was
sweet and a great artist. 10 years later, she depends on me, I’m the sole breadwinner. She
raises the kids. Very old-fashioned. Is is still difficult to be married? Hell yes. But she’s
not divorcing me any time soon, and when I stand my ground in a fight, she listens. Because,
frankly, she needs my earning ability.
That is the secret of a successful marriage. And that is why, over the centuries, societies
have discouraged women from having careers. Because women who are financially independent
turn into total fucking jerks who fuck over not only men, but everybody in their way. Women
are, by genetic design, totally and completely incapable of being trusted with independent
power. They are selfish to the core, designed that way my Mother nature to help them cope
with the stress of the insanely difficult job of raising children. Under certain conditions,
that selfishness works fine for everybody…for example, when they are dependant on a man for
breadwinning.
Power corrupts, and in this is no different for women than for anybody else. Everybody needs
something to keep them in line. Everybody, without some controls on them, turns into a jerk.
So in our modern society, women have been relieved of essentially ALL social control. They
can do any fucking thing they want to the men in their lives, with no consequences. They can
even gun them down, claim it was self-protection, and get away free.
It’s no surprise then that women are such heartless, horrible swinish louts in today’s
society. They are allowed to let their selfishness, petulance, sexual power, and
self-absorption run WILD and you bet, this turns them into awful human beings.
So again, Men, what can you do? Whatever you do, avoid a woman who is “perfect”. Who makes a
lot of money. Who is extremely beautiful. Who is a fuck machine. All of those things will
make her seem desirable to you, but strangely, those are exactly the things that will make
her a lousy wife.
You aren’t marrying a woman because she is the BEST. You are marrying her because she will be
a good wife…to YOU. Think about that.