An Alternative Explanation for Why Women Prefer “Bad Boys”
The viewpoint that “bad boys” are far more attractive to women than “nice guys” has become pervasive enough to be considered almost mainstream. I would even go so far as to say that it is the dominant viewpoint in younger age-groups. As many of you also know, a lot of ink and electrons have been spent on trying to understand why women prefer “bad boys” over “nice guys”. Some have tried to explain this phenomena by invoking deterministic scientific-sounding concepts such as evolutionary psychology and hypergamy. Others see it is a moral failing of secular societies, secondary effects of feminism or lack of long-term planning etc. In my opinion, all such explanations are ex post facto rationalizations rather than objective explanations. Moreover, they almost willingly ignore or gloss over a very important question.
Why should women prefer “good guys” over “bad boys”?
The conventional reasoning for why “good guys” are better than “bad boys” centers around the first group being better providers than the later. Somehow that is supposed to translate into “better reproductive success”. But how does that reasoning play out in the real world- as far as humans are concerned?
Let us, for a moment, hypothesize that humans are semi-mindless and deterministic machines devoted to reproducing themselves- like bacteria, worms or wolves. How would a world where that hypothesis was true look like? Here is a clue.. is there a correlation between the number of children people have versus their ability to have and provide for them. Do you see billionaires having hundreds and thousands of children? If not, why not? What about upper-middle class types? How many have a dozen kids? Why not?
Now some of you might say.. “it is not just about how many kids a couple has, it is also about whether you can provide them a good upbringing and life”. OK, so how much money and resources does it take to raise a child properly? and when do you reach the point where extra money does not improve things any further? Well.. as far as the world we live in today is concerned, there is no real gain from spending more money and resources than those spent on raising an average upper-middle class child. Beyond that point, extra money does not affect survival-linked outcomes. In fact, for most purposes the viability of a child born to working class parents is statistically almost identical to one with billionaire parents.
So why are billionaires not pumping out kids by the dozens? What about upper-middle class professional couples? Why aren’t they having half-dozen kids each?
The answer to this apparent paradox has two major components. Firstly, human beings are not semi-mindless machines devoted to reproducing themselves. Secondly, having kids often diminishes the general quality of life for those who have them and most people are aware of that effect. Furthermore, having kids no longer guarantees social contact, assistance or care in your later years. Consequently, it is no surprise that human beings today are just not into having kids. The “nice guy” strategy of being a ‘better provider’ worked as long as having children was a net positive. Once having children became profitless and optional, women just did not need the stable provider-type.
I can almost hear some of you say “OK, that could explain why women don’t care for “nice guys” anymore, but why do they detest them? What makes “bad boys” attractive?
The conventional answer to that question is that “bad boys” are attractive because they are more popular, dominant, rebellious, mysterious etc. But is that really the case? Is it what they are or what they are not? Confused? OK, let me explain..
The belief that “bad boys” are attractive because they exhibit some or the other characteristic is widespread. It can explain why certain highly visible types (entertainers, sportsmen, musicians) make a lot of panties drop. But how do you explain women lusting after barely known musicians, low-level drug dealers, semi-functional alcoholics and others who are considered as “failures”. What makes women prefer such “failed” men over “conventionally successful” guys?
My answer to this apparent paradox is as tasteless as it is unconventional.
Willing slaves inspire disgust and contempt, not lust and passion.
The vast majority of jobs throughout human history, including our era, have always been based in voluntary slavery. Indeed, there is a direct correlation between the willingness of slaves to humiliate and debase themselves and their compensation in the voluntary slave system. Consider for a moment the idea that the long educational requirements and probationary periods for conventional high-income occupations such as physicians, scientists, lawyers, architects, engineers etc are about selecting especially willing slaves rather than perpetuating meritocracy or ensuring competence.
Now ask yourself- What kind of person would end up in such conventionally well-paid careers? Do you think that a servile mindset would not spill over into their personal lives?
Let me put it another way. What are the chances that a person with any significant degree of self-respect, ability for independent thought or autonomous agency will end up in a well-paid and “socially-acceptable” occupation. What I am trying to say is that “nice guys” both established, and aspiring, have more in common with well-trained dogs than human beings. They can jump through many obstacle courses, learn amazing new tricks and be loyal companions. But at the end of the day they are just that.. dogs who serve others for meager rewards.
In contrast to that, “bad boys” are in it for themselves even if they are not especially successful. They possess autonomous agency, something that “nice guys” lack. While women may not explicitly think in those terms, it is pretty obvious to them that “nice guys” are semi-retarded voluntary slaves. Sure, they can often make decent money and enrich the woman they are with. But is it ever possible for that woman to continuously overlook the fact that she is with an easily manipulated, servile and spineless human being. Can you really get turned on by an anthropomorphic pet dog?
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Reblogged this on Mindweapons in Ragnarok and commented:
What I am trying to say is that “nice guys” both established, and aspiring, have more in common with well-trained dogs than human beings. They can jump through many obstacle courses, learn amazing new tricks and be loyal companions. But at the end of the day they are just that.. dogs who serve others for meager rewards.
In contrast to that, “bad boys” are in it for themselves even if they are not especially successful. They possess autonomous agency, something that “nice guys” lack. While women may not explicitly think in those terms, it is pretty obvious to them that “nice guys” are semi-retarded voluntary slaves. Sure, they can often make decent money and enrich the woman they are with. But is it ever possible for that woman to continuously overlook the fact that she is with an easily manipulated, servile and spineless human being. Can you really get turned on by an anthropomorphic pet dog?
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Brilliant! As one of the “trained dogs” by my own admission, I see what you mean. I do it so that my kid will have a stable upbringing, and I think she is partly grateful for it, but in part also despises me for willing yoking myself to job and family.
Heck, that explains why fathers nowadays get so little respect. The kids look at these dupes and say, unconsciously to themselves, “what a loser! What a slave! The drug dealer on the corner has more autonomy than my father, even if the latter is in and out of prison.”
I think this is a great insight and has changed my way of looking at the world and at myself. I’m still going to be a dutiful husband and father, but at least I know what I am with no illusion.
Ruf ruf!
Many of the concepts in the Manosphere are embarrassing and not based on reality. Often, if you want to understand something, look at the extremes. Women who are attracted to ‘bad boys” – the really bad boys – suffer from a disease known as Hybristophilia. The worst of the “bad boys” are psychopaths (those who think there is anything admirable about a psychopath has zero understanding of them).
The only thing psychopaths are interested in power, domination and control (they are incapable of love). So, then, women are interested in guys who exhibit traits of power and control. The more ignorant think that means the “Dark Triad” (again, those who think the Dark Triad” is admirable have no understanding of it).
This is why so many women despise the “slave mentality.” They think these guys have no control over their lives, without understanding many men go into certain occupations to be free of being under the control of others. Being self-employed, for example, which takes a lot of work and self-control.
As for thinking these Dark Triad/psychopaths will be good providers, based on Evo-Psych, that just shows how embarrassingly inept much of Evo-Psych is.
I like your article and its almost there. The simple truth is bad boys make a girl “feel” in a way nice guys (who play it safe) never will. Sexual tension always overides safe.
who’s more likely to create “sexual tension” through not “playing it safe”?:
GTFO with this nice guy bullshit. Looks.
“Willing slaves inspire disgust and contempt, not lust and passion.”
… and my crusty eyes go open …
It’s not the “bad” that turns her on. It’s the free, the untamed rebel that gets her.
You might be more dangerous to American civilisation that Snowden guy.
Watch your back.
I remember all the teachers and grown ups loved me.
My peers on the other hand…
Is it just the US that idolises the rebel?
Anybody from other western, perhaps European countries, who can attest to the “cult of the cool”?
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It is very true that employers demand different personality characteristics than women do. Get a job OR get laid.
Money is very overrated in terms of attracting women. Being tall is I think the most important thing women look for because it gives them a visceral feeling of protection money can’t provide:
“For example, the study showed a 5-foot-9-inch man needs to make $30,000 more than a 5-foot-10-inch one to be as successful in the dating pool.”
Women go for bad boys. However, I think this is only half the story. The converse is also true: Guys who have lots of options are also way more likely to become bad boys.
Why would a guy who has countless girls throwing themselves at him decide he needs to make lots of money? They wouldn’t because everything he could possibly want in life was handed to him on a silver platter: sex with cute teens, plenty of friends, validation, possibly an athlete. Instead of trying to become successful, he’ll spend his time in a band, playing sports, two-timing his gf, and partying.
Let’s consider the case where a guy is less fortunate and doesn’t have girls throwing themselves at him. Let’s say he’s short, asian or a very pasty white guy, with a skinny fat physique. It doesn’t really matter if said individual has a bad boy attitude(people will probably hate him if he tries to behave “alpha”), he’s an instant beta male. There is zero hope for someone like that to attract cute women in their prime without money or success(conventional or unconventional).
Correct, finally someone discussing physical attractiveness over sophistry and mental masturbation. Behavioral elements are meaningless when it comes to attractiveness, unless you’re in the bottom 0.1% of basic social abilities.
However, for the average dude who isn’t a blue-eyed 6’1″ Nordic with a square jaw, money is literally the only option available to enjoy a decent sex life. As AD mentions, escorts are available. Once you have enough income, you can rent the 8/10 sluts. They would only pretend to be into it, but it’s much better than chasing obese and average fuggos. Majority of average guys lie about their success with women anyway, so ignore their opinion.
The trouble with these high income earners is that most are beta chumps who still have ugly/average gfs after making lots of money. They think money attracts, it does not. Money does buy you good sex with attractive and young women though, but most high income earners are too proud to go that route.
most women aren’t attracted to nordic men.they like black men,light skinned black men,Arabic men,polynesian men etc nordic men have good angular features and tall height but their feminine pigmentation and Beta attitude totally kills it for women.
btw,I have a blog on looks,and I have a few articles on what womena re attracted to and also fake internet profiles proving how easy womena re if youre goodlooking.however women don’t want a badboy per se,but a guy who LOOKS like a badboy,i.e robust skull,decent height and masculine dimorphism ,tatoos help too.
for women they don’t know the difference between substance and appearance.hence they likeguys who ”lok”alpha in their phyisichal features not a guy who actually is alpha per se in demeanor.if a weak,frail looking guy tried to pull that demeanor off it would look ridiculous to women.
http://aestheticguide.blogspot.com
Yes, being good looking (being tall is part of that) is pretty much requirement number one – just like it is for men. Women are no different in that regard. It’s true, “game” and the like does work, and can give you an edge, and as Kissinger said, “power is an aphrodisiac” but good looking women want a good looking man, even unattractive women want a good looking man. Of course.
yes. that whole money and power and bad boy bs is just that, bs.
money is useful for escorts and sugar daddying, but most average/ugly men with money don’t go down those paths.
the ideal path as an average guy is to earn money and fuck escorts and/or sugar daddy.
Ignore what everyone else tells you about dating advice. If you aren’t strikingly good looking (which pretty much has tall and white/half-white as a co-req), you already know in the back of your mind, that you don’t have much of a chance of being a playboy.
Game probably does work, in that it gets you average girls if you’re above average. Game is for beggars though. Much better to keep one’s dignity intact and pay for the prime 8/10s that even an average worker can afford these days.
The reason love bad boys is not because they are rebels alone, but because that rebellion says you are stronger than any other man’s rules.
We knew this stuff back in grade school in the sixties – -The saying on the playground was Treat ‘m mean, keep ‘m keen; treat ‘m nice, turn to ice. But without the theories about hypergamy and evo-psych.
A lot of the guys that had some bad boy aura and succes in highschool were already losers by the time they hit 21 (no job, no education, no money, or a dead-end job being’s somebody else’s boss boy, drugs/drinking on the weekend — bad for the aura). Real alpha’s have more qualities and are more elusive to define — they are often able to retain the attitude and aura despite “compromising” and negotiating their way around society, meeting at least a minimum of the demands “life” makes on you. It has to do with your soul, perceptible but still somewhat intangible.
Just being a deviant mean murdering basterd is not enough if you’re awkward or creepy; a murderous nerd is is simply a sicko. And the types that fawn over serial killers were often themselves not exactly at the top of guys’ short lists.
It’s really quite simple. The good looking, tall, white, handsome, etc. guys are what these women in their prime want. After being given free access to this since birth, these genetically lucky guys just start to view attractive and all women as disposable, which makes them “bad boys who don’t give a f*** “.
Being a bad boy is just the result of being a physically and facially attractive man. Most of these guys are seen as “bad” by other men because of their ability to get women with ease and still treat them like trash. Why would you treat women nicely if they threw themselves at you with 0 effort other than your looks?
All of these bad boys have 0 accolades to speak of beyond having a beautiful face and above 6’+.
If some random average loser tried to be “bad”, he would just be a “douche” and get ignored/blackballed from his social circle. To pull it off, he’d need to improve his attractiveness drastically, which is usually impossible since it’s genetically determined.
Summary: Handsome/attractive men become bad since women want them no matter what, “Bad boy” = a learned behavior of attractive men.
All this BS about bad boy this, alpha that, is all garbage. It’s all looks, and men with looks treat women like the shit that they are since they are too easy for them. Deal with it.
It also speaks a lot when women take abuse “selectively”.
These same women who say “men are all alike” … say “men are all I like” WHEN IT’S THE MAN OTHER WOMEN WANT.
Yup, “selectivity” = differential treatment based on looks/race/height. Women would love to get abused by Chris Brown (and give him free sex). However if some fatass decided to abuse women, he would be getting raped in jail momentarily.
The whole bad boy thing is a myth, it’s all looks. The bad boy is always handsome (or has extreme status like rockstar/band/whatever, and those guys have good looks to begin with anyway).
Women WANT to be abused by a handsome “bad boy”, they only cry abuse when the dude is some ugly or average beta provider doing the abusing. Most men wouldn’t mind abuse from a hot woman if they were getting something out of it, women are no different in their way of treating attractive men.
Most attractive men automatically become abusive since they women conduct themselves like they are meat, around them. PUA = a bunch of ugly dudes pretending to be bad, result: sexual harassment charge,
“It’s all looks”
Yes, pretty much.
Hey dissention,
Looks like our old pal Xamuel has gotten married and has a kid.
http://www.xamuel.com/thoughts-on-completing-my-phd/
Oh, and I think his wife is Japanese. Countdown to divorce court ass-raping…………………
yeah, as if he was dating that kind of girls in his prime before having money and status
are you that stupid?
Your argument was “it’s all looks”. Now you’ve admitted it’s some combination (i.e., weighted sum) of looks, money, and status (which is the position that I would defend as well.) But, your response might be, they don’t “truly love” a man for his money, but they do “truly love” him for his looks. But we know that women do not “truly love” men any, that a woman’s love is meaningless, so what are you trying to say?
LOL, that’s your best example?
zyzz = a piece of vomit:
try this:
Zyzz was below average looking before roids.he also ran drug dealer game.most of the women he fucked ,fucked him because he had drugs and also his celebrity status.besides posing with a woman /=/ fucking her.
even goodlooking men dont slay consistentely,they go thru a string of LTRs with hot women.
I’m not very interested in examples and anecdotes, but in research and statistics.
However — Most of these people you showed, both the men and the women, have average faces. In fact, some of the women are a bit dumpy looking (face and body). It’s just that the men are very buff, which any man can achieve after buying a gym membership, and wear “attractive” hairdos, tattoos and clothing, each of which a man can buy. You have not demonstrated that a man having superior congenital attractiveness is the sole or even the main way a man can attract women.
I meant…… attract attractive women.
Unless I’m mistaken, those photos are of only one guy, Zyzz. Some of them may have been before he started abusing roids. Secondly, you are deluded if you think you can achieve a zyzz tier slayer status by going to the gym a few times and getting a new haircut. You need good genetics, good muscle insertions, above average face, 6 2 height, and steroids to have his level of attractiveness. I’m not sure if that qualifies as “congenital attractiveness” or whatever bullshit term you want to come up with.
I clearly said that the only route for people with less fortunate genetics(not tall, can’t gain muscle, below average looks) to become attractive to younger women is to make money or become successful. So it is by no means the main way for someone to attract women. A short asian guy’s only hope is to become a beta provider.
Finally, most of those girls are young, in their teens and early 20s. Kucinich’s wife is 35 years old and less attractive than virtually every girl in those photos.
That’s right. A roided up douchebag can attract far more and far better pussy than one of America’s most prominent politicians.
Thanks for your reply.
Firstly, studies have shown that women judge the optimal amount of muscularity in men to be that which can be achieved without using steroids, i.e., men of moderate muscularity are rated more attractive than super buff men: attractiveness follows an inverted-U graph as a function of muscularity (all else being equal). So, it is withing the reach of most men, unless they have some hormonal disease.
Secondly, studies show height, facial symmetry, and other aspects of attractiveness are highly correlated with income (and IQ). The main reasons are cross-assortative mating, epigenetics and the fact that poor and stupid parents feed their kids nothing but crap like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches instead of food rich in protein and fat-soluble vitamins for muscle and bone growth. One needs to control for these other aspects to be able to say anything meaningful about looks. As an example, a quick Google search confirmed “Zyzz” is also making lots of money.
Thirdly, you are deluding yourself if you think the majority of attractive women would want to date a broke, stupid, shy, talentless loser even if he were handsome douchebag. I.e., for most women looks won’t be the only factor.
Fourthly, most women do not want to date someone with a large age difference. Most men do not acquire a lot of money and/or status until they are in their thirties. Hence it follows that, of the girls in their prime (18-25 years old), the men in their preferred age range will have little income differential, hence looks will (coincidentally) be the deciding factor. However, those girls that don’t care about age, such as plenty of 18-25 year old nines and tens on sugar daddy and escort sites, sell for just 50-80 euro per half hour.
Fifthly, high income, and high IQ (both in men and women) is highly correlated with monogamy, so of course one would not expect Kucinich to have a lot of partners. He doesn’t want it. (As far as I know.)
Sixthly, many of the “hot chicks with douchebags” are douchbags (douchettes) themselves as well, so I would not call them “far better”.
Well, that was longer than I expected.
The Plague Doctor posted the following:
“July 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm
I’m not very interested in examples and anecdotes, but in research and statistics…. It’s just that the men are very buff, which any man can achieve after buying a gym membership”
“July 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Firstly, studies have shown that women judge the optimal amount of muscularity in men to be that which can be achieved WITHOUT USING STEROIDS, i.e., men of moderate muscularity are rated more attractive than super buff men: attractiveness follows an inverted-U graph as a function of muscularity (all else being equal). So, it is withing the reach of most men, unless they have some hormonal disease.”
(THE ABOVE CAPITALIZATION ADDED BY ME FOR EMPHASIS)
A bit of correction and clarification from my experience and observations as a 58-year-old who’s been lifelong bodybuilding for over forty years since age 16.
Agreed, studies show women prefer a level of muscularity with leanness that might be described as “athletic”, reflecting, perhaps, women’s instinctual attraction for optimal genetics. In contrast, schwarzeneggerish and beyond muscle development (although attractive to a tiny minority of women) likely reads as “non-optimal” therefore does not attract women.
Also agreed, the AVERAGE-gened male over about age 17 can develop that women-preferred level of muscle and leanness if he consistently devotes two or three years to proper training and proper eating (meaning, it won’t come easily but he will achieve it if he sticks with the necessary program), WITHOUT USING STEROIDS.
But, DISAGREED that ANY and EVERY guy who trains hard and eats correctly can achieve that women-preferred physique WITHOUT USING STEROIDS.
Again, yes, most guys, born with average genes for muscle potential, can achieve that look without steroids, prohormones, or synthetic growth factors.
But, regrettably, some guys are born with significantly BELOW-average muscle genetics; and even after three or four years of consistent, intelligent, progressive training and eating, those few will still not achieve that women-preferred physique. For THOSE few, steroids will actually take them up to “average”, enabling them to have what most other, average-gened, guys can develop WITHOUT drugs. For those unfortunate genetic-poor few, steroids simply become an “equalizer” that enables them to get to that “athletic”, women-preferred physique.
The “hard/small-gainer” muscle-poor-genetics syndrome is one of those many inequities of life.
By the way, genuine hardgainers are few. Most guys are average and, although they often think they’re hardgainers when progress doesn’t occur as rapidly as they naively expected (read: the physique ain’t gonna happen for anyone except super-gened outliers in less than at least a year), they’re NOT hardgainers so don’t need steroids to achieve that women-preferred physique. Rather, they need patience, perseverance, and properly-informed-consistency under the barbell and in the kitchen.
Finally, steroids don’t even work the same on everyone — genetic variations cause some guys to respond amazingly to steroids, while other guys respond only minimally. There’s a wide mix of variations of genetics — the top, world-class bodybuilders are not only born with super-elite muscle-building genetics that would shine even if they trained hard but never touched a steroid, but ALONG with those genetics are also born with genetics that respond relatively better to steroids and other growth drugs.
Agree with 90% of the article here. Except for looks and racial characteristics. I’m Asian from Singapore and yes, while it is true that a lot of the Asian guys here are very beta males, the ones who learn Game and understand about behaviour have learnt to turn the tables around. 2 case studies. One of my friends is a short Australian Chinese guy with a rather strange laugh and we never thought that he would end up with a super ultra hot Hungarian model girlfriend whom he fucked practically almost every night. Sadly he broke up with her already. But was he filthy rich? Granted that he was a middle class architect by profession but he certainly isn’t a multi-millionaire. The second friend is a childhood friend of mine who is a doctor and while he is doing well, he’s not a multi-millionaire as well. However, I stayed with him for 6 months while we had our own bacherlor pad and in that time, he had a hot girlfriend who was being strangled and simultaneously fucked by him over the bed everynight. I walked into the living room one day and caught her about to give him a blowjob smack in the middle of the room. Does he have looks? Nope. He looks a bit like his siamese cat. But he and the previous friend realised that looks have not much of a factor in it. Behaviour and mindset towards women are the ones that determine whether you can be an alpha or end up being a beta male.
Granted that he was a middle class architect by profession but he certainly isn’t a multi-millionaire.
Would that lady want to spend the rest of her life in competition with other Eastern European hotties, or be the center of a herb-with-money’s universe + the chance to live in Asia’s money-laundering capital? She could also pick up another guy while she was at it.
The “fucking” is all well and good … but who did she pick to be the father of her child?
He looks a bit like his siamese cat. But he and the previous friend realised that looks have not much of a factor in it. Behaviour and mindset towards women are the ones that determine whether you can be an alpha
Pull the other one. His hot girlfriend “couldn’t do better”. If she was local, I’ve seen pictures of Jamie Ang … the average guys of Singapore, like guys in many other parts of the world – are chosen last.
Again, it’s not who a woman “fucks” that determines what she really wants – the genetic reminder of a child, and who that child’s father is … is what she can stand and wants to be reminded of when she wakes up in the morning.
There are also 2 crucial decisions women make:
1. Who to “fuck” first, to lose their virginity to, and
2. Who to be the father of their child.
Anyone in between is just an option that can be discarded.
I’m betting that Hungarian girl is, at the youngest, 25-ish … and the friend of yours having sex with her is, at the youngest, 30-ish.
Let me know when he gets an 18 year old.
Again – it’s not about the guy getting a girl of X occupation … it’s when she has the looks and is at her youngest.
BTW it’s strange how those men who had sex with Steph Thia Hwee Koon(Hui Jun) were AT THE TOP of Singaporean society.
Young poon is where it’s really at.
Elizabeth Hurley vs. Emma Roberts, who’d you pick?
(Not sure if my comment passed the spam filter…)
Hey dissention,
Looks like our old pal Xamuel has gotten married and has a kid.
xamuel dot com/thoughts-on-completing-my-phd/
Oh, and I think his wife is Japanese. Countdown to divorce court ass-raping…………………
Yup, that deluded guy is thinking that the architect was actually in a mutually attracted relationship, he must have been a sugar daddy.
Many of those EE women are poor and want to be golddiggers, what better place to go than a rich country to find men with money (middle class in a rich country > being in a poor EE country, in terms of living standards etc.)
Asian men are at the bottom, not even asian women want them, game is absolutely meaningless. It’s all looks, women are physically drawn to men who are tall and good looking (striking, sharp and symmetrical facial features).
to that asian guy: GTFO with your game bullshit
Yes. And most guys will realize after not being able to build muscle, that they need roids. They will take roids and be bald the next morning. Bald = a sexual death sentence. Game over.
If getting prime pussy was as easy as going to the gym, everyone would be getting it. To plague doctor: use your head.
Success with women is innate. If zyzz was 5’6″ and had a round jaw, he wouldn’t have gotten the level of female attention that he did. Either way, his shit genes rendered him dead at the end, his heart couldn’t take all those roids.
YMMV with roids
This is what “diego” and “looks reality” look like…………..
Ok, so you think we’re stupid because we’re giving a politically incorrect response to why women love bad boys. Guess what: you’re deluded. You don’t realize that attractiveness is mostly the face and almost completely genetically predetermined.
If you aren’t in the top 20% of looks, the only other way to get women is to go the escorts / sugar daddy route. Or be a married beta provider.
Lets see, I bet you’re getting lots of hot women with your confidence and gym membership. You do that bro, you do that.
This is why I have went the escorts route. I have a nice face but I’m short (5’6″) and I’m too lazy to lose the baby fat and get ripped (and with my height, I don’t think being ripped is going to get me lots of pussy). Ronnie from Jersey Shore is about my height so maybe I can pull hot club skanks if I got ripped and muscular like him but I’m still too lazy to be motivated to try. Plus I’m a Sperger so fuck it. Killing yourself in the gym and eating right is hard work. Setting aside 6-10 hours of labour wages to bang an escort, not so hard work (at least at the moment thank God). Plus with escorts, I can just be my beta myself who likes to kiss and cuddle after sex like a bitch (I tend to opt for the girlfriend experience. I know women are bitches deep down. But just give me a blue pill experience for 1 hr and make me forget that women are bitches please). Because after all, if she is a bitch to me, I can give that bitch a bad review on the escort review boards. This one biatch gave me attitude. Gave her a bad review. Fellow johns thanked me for helping them dodge the bullet.
Girls often say that I’m cute but they always interview for me for the boyfriend role (aka “beta provider”). And since I’m a spergy who can’t fake interest in what a neurotypical bitch is saying worth a shit, I don’t audition well for the beta provider role (and since I’ve been giving up on the Disney love conquers all and happily ever after fantasy, it’s absolutely pointless for me to even consider going the beta provider role anyway). I’ve been able to nail a desperate, obese, ugly chick on the first date (she called me like twelve times the day after sex and she had this look of being in nirvana while I was pounding her in bed. She had this delusion that I’d fall in love with her eventually. And then she got all clingy, freaked out and I ended everything. Then she got mega pissed at me and threatened to commit suicide. Story of my life brah).
Instead of dealing with all the bullshit drama with women and having to pretend to be interested in what their inferior little rationalization hamster neurotypical minds have to say, it’s so much easier to just call/text an escort, book, go over to her hotel/apartment and get sucked and fucked. It’s just like they say in that song. Bad girls do it well. I feel like I never had a real blowjob until I saw my first escort. I hate how you can’t bareback fuck an escort the way that you can a girlfriend though. Well you can. It just wouldn’t be very intelligent to bareback a working girl. It amazes me how many regular girls allow guys they hook up with to fuck her raw but that isn’t smart either.
LOL not even close.
-I’m a 20 yo college student
-I’m average looking
-I’m in decent shape
-I can get girls just not hot ones.
And that’s why you’re not satisfied. The goal of every male’s life is to fuck attractive women, even the shortest ugliest beta is endowed with that goal in life. With most women being overweight these days and having extremely high standards, it’s no surprise that only the hot guys can regularly fuck attractive women in their prime without paying thousands/month. Paying 8/10s > getting average fuggos after begging lots of them.
If you look like this, the world is yours:
A handsome, broke, stupid, shy, talentless, loser is in a much better position to attract women than an ugly, average income, intelligent, socially normal, educated guy.
I’ve seen people making dating profiles of individuals in the former case and they’ve all done fairly well. One person fed a girl’s messages into a “chat bot” and sent it back to her. She kept responding for a few days, effectively conversing with a chat bot.
There are hundreds of examples of this kind of trolling all over the internet. Here’s a funny one that I recently found:
-I don’t understand why epigenetics/environment is pertinent to this discussion.
-Zyzz is dead but the reactions in that youtube video speak for themselves. Basically none of the girls in those videos were aware of who he was.
-your next point begs the question why do girls want to date guys inside of their age range? Compatibility issues? LOL.
-They’re far better because they’re more than a decade younger and she has a serious case of man jaw. It looks bizarre.
Freakin hilarious that the girl has on her profile that she wants more than a what’s up from a guy in order to reply to her but then she goes ahead and replies to the hunk who asks her what’s up? LOL. Hot guys get away with a lot of shit in this current dating climate. That’s not to say that game has zero merit. If you are a hot guy with no game, it can hurt you. But if you are not a hot guy, don’t even bother getting into the game because it won’t get you shit except ugly fatties. It’s laughable that Roosh and Roissy from DC want us to believe that their fugly faces are able to get loads of action in DC when they are competing with white adonis douchebags and a sizable African-American population (as I said, being black is a “cool” factor in our society). Roissy is in his 40s ffs. He’s too old for the club scene and would look like a total creeper loser chasing after 20-something tail.
@looks reality
It’s not just Aryan hunks. Ever heard of tall, dark and handsome? Dark haired/dark eyed white hunks get pussy too. And black hunks are swimming in pussy in North America and Europe. Because our culture promotes them as uber-cool and there’s the whole big black dick curiosity thing that white women have. I have spent a lot of time browsing profiles on hookup sites (I fucked a girl on there) and a lot of women, even here in Toronto, specifically want to get fucked by a black guy. Both older and younger white women. Though I think the whole black guy fetish is more popular with older white women who are divorced/separated or want to cuckold their husband (it amazes me how fucking perverted and disloyal women are). This is why white first-world middle-aged women engage in sex tourism with black studs in the Afro-Caribbean and Africa. Latino hunks also get major brownie points in our culture too. Some middle-eastern/arab men are good looking too but most are fugly (Roosh is in the fugly category). South Asian and East Asian men are seen as beta.
yeah yeah yeah you know what I meant
– white hunk with light features
– white hunk with dark features
– masculine black hunk
– latin hunks
everyone else is pretty much dead in the water and they know it, the only option outside of paid sex is ugly/average/fat women, which are worse than porn.
roosh is a sex tourist, which I respect, it’s his lying about game that I don’t respect.
You’re right, if you are above 30 and not an 8/10, you can forget about prime women. They only date hot guys and famous guys, regardless of who they are in fb pics with. I know many hot girls with no bf/gf status on facebook, reality: they are fucking some deadbeat hunk that they don’t want the world to know about.
Amazing how you’re also in Toronto, it really must be the incel capital of N.A. 50%+ is ethnic minorities, so that probably explains quite a bit. Every day here I see white bald losers with decent/average non-white women. Although I occasionally see a non-white/non-black man with a white woman, he’s usually 1-3 pts above her and tall. There’s no point in game as an ethnic minority. You could be tall and good looking, but your race status places you below an average white loser when it comes to cold approaching.
Smart man. It’s only Aryan hunks like this who are actually doing all of that american pie hook up culture nonsense that is non-existent to 95% of men:
Beta provider is a loser’s role. I have also gone the escort route, and will eventually upgrade to being a sugar daddy once I can afford it. Being attached to a woman as an average guy = the stupidest thing you can do.
Actually no! Status comes in physical exaggerations as well. My dad was John Holmes of Georgia (Former USSR) – literally! He had no looks to speak of, and a string bean with a beard to cover up for small chin but boasted a 10inch monster (for real – my mum had to see a doctor a few times for busted cervix! – the reason for the divorce! ) I can tell you that at 45 + he was doing 20 year old Russian model types (8-10) all year round. Women literally threw themselves at him. But here is the kicker – I heard rumors that most of the women were in pain (we did not have the forplay culture of today – I live in Sydney) yet were still after him. Why? The answer is status – Status!!! And I can tell you that many a time I heard from the handsomest men how they would trade their looks for my dad’s tool in a heart beat. Women go for Status – no1! No2 – looks. Status comes in many forms: Money, fame, 8+ inches (only 0.6% of men!!!) Men go for looks and youth.
PS: I inherited my mum’s good looks, grandpa’s 6’1″ muscular physique and Dad’s….genetics (slightly modified – upper 0.6% is enough thank god – although many Asian girls backed out because of it ) I am a professional baccarat player – and I get to pick 20 year olds hotties in high roller suiits every week (I am 42) As Kevin Bacon said, ‘if the guy is short, fat, bold, broke, no game and 5 inch dick, he definately would need a miracle to get laid with anybody above 3!’
You don’t need to pay thousands/month. I can say with honesty that just 1 hour of alpha pussy (HB8+ escorts) with good attitude trumps fucking beta pussy on the regular. Since I started hobbying last year, I had about 1-2 session per month. Except for the nearly 5 month hiatus I took this year. That’s not a lot of actual sex. But I don’t actually care about how often I have sex (maybe that is just a byproduct of my low sex drive). I care more about quality. If I’m horny, I watch gang bang porn and jerk off. It’s not a big deal brah. Quantity is overrated. Physical stimulation from sex is not any better than masturbation (for me anyway).
It’s the visual stimulation of a hot chick and the tactile feel of a woman’s body that turns me on the most (that’s why I love getting titty fucked, sucking on tits, kissing a woman’s butt cheeks and love to eat out a hot HB10’s pussy and asshole.) And after fucking the same bitch for awhile, it’s gotta get boring no? I like variety. Just being in a strip club with hot girls that would allow you to kiss their butt cheeks and suck on their tits (Sigmund Freud would probably say that I have an oral fixation) is more rewarding for me than fucking/getting blown by these fat, ugly beta cows who suck at giving head and have nasty pussies anyway. I would rather jerk off to dudes gang banging a hot chick in a porno than have sex with a fat, ugly beta cow. Plus escorts are more willing to do the stuff that girls do in porn like let you cum in their mouth, cum on their face, swallow your cum, fuck them in the ass, let you lick their asshole (some escorts are willing to lick your asshole too but the one time a ho did it on me, she stopped after a little while. I have a hairy ass so I don’t blame her. lol)
That’s the great part about escorts, you could get one a week even on minimum wage living with parents, However I was referring to being a sugar daddy. On average it costs $4k a month and requires you to have your own place and all of that. It allows you to date broke 8/10 college students who can’t pay their tuition, and women in that “semi-pro” sphere who are hot as fuck.
Escorts are much nicer than regular women, other than one cunt who got fired, all of them were either nice to speak to, and/or really good at sex.
Don’t let anyone tell you that game or any of that is what you lack. In today’s dating environment, most men are losers and just like to pretend to be successful to keep up appearances. Yet another reason I hate people, they want you to play their retarded games, from which you gain nothing.
Yeah if I was wealthy, I would go the sugar daddy route. Though my sugar babies wouldn’t last long. It would be inevitable that I’d get bored of a sugar baby after a month and want to introduce more variety in the mix. Love is basically a chemical reaction in the brain that fades over time and women are all about following their emotions. I like the feeling of being in love. But I know deep down that it’s really just mother’s nature way of encouraging me to stick around for the baby and help rear it. That flood of emotions dies down eventually.
A few hours before I saw my first escort ever, I wrote a very emo email to this girl online who said she loved me and wanted to be with me (long-distance online relationship). We talked to each other every day, cammed, etc but she kept avoiding a meetup and then I eventually found out she had an abusive common law husband (whom she had a kid with) the entire time she was talking to me. He wasn’t exactly alpha (he was chubbier than me and not as facially attractive) but he was 6’2″ and a domineering asshole and she was this 5’1″ borderline personality disorder headcase who alternated between sweeter than sugar and psycho. I knew she had issues but she pushed all of my White Knight Complex buttons. I wanted to be that sweet loving boyfriend that would save her (probably why I am kinda drawn to escorts who are really good at GFE. I almost fell in love with my first escort but then she had to go back to Montreal and I never saw her again because her number wasn’t hers and belonged to her pimp so I dodged that bullet. I’ve googled her number and different escorts pop up now. If she ever toured Toronto again, it would probably be with a different number and maybe a different pimp.)
Ultimately a girl broke my heart and made me realize how fucked up women really were (I have suspected it for years but this was the last straw with all the crap I have seen with women). That’s what ultimately drove me to escorts and the occasional trying to get laid (I’m semi-retired with that). I don’t bother with relationships anymore. I got my hopes up with two other girls since then, thinking they might be girlfriend material, who ended up disappointing me.
As OP said in one of his ‘Why Escorts Are Better Deal Than ‘Real Women’ posts …The old wife, girlfriend paradigm has devolved into a secular religion! Evolution is driven by the number of possibilities rather than by some intrinsic design. But I will go further, a 5’4″ pasty nerd can buy an egg from a surrogate (6ft blonde model) for a nominal fee
(can cost $100k >)and better his gene pool by a factor of 100!!!! In which century would that be possible? There is no precedent! We live in a world of Home delivery food, genetic engineering, virtual reality and sex on tap (escorts) – the only limiting constraint is $$$$. To quote MC Larc’ chorus ‘…welcome to the future…la la la la la….’
Yes, women aren’t there to make you happy, they date men to increase their social status and the thrill of sex with a hot guy. The hot guys don’t realize how cunty women are because they are treated like gods since the start, they assume that every man is treated well by women since women are so nice and understanding.
I feel the sugar daddy path isn’t much better than escorts, but it gives you a bit more exclusivity than fucking an escort, and more of a “relationship” status. You don’t really need to be rich as fuck, but you do need a high income and decent place to live. I’m just going to see an escort a while working towards that. I am in my early 20s so there’s still hope at having a decent paid-sex life.
That’s why you need to go the sugar daddy route to find a clean girl to bareback. I hear it’s much better than wearing a condom. Attractive men aren’t required to wear protection when they fuck because women want their good genes. Condoms are for beta and omega males.
On the hookup site I browse, I have noticed a number of girls looking for a sugar daddy. But you don’t know how many bare dicks have been in their vagina before you. Even regular, girl-next-door girlfriends that you think you can trust harbour STDs they don’t know about from previous relationships. Unless she can provide you with a recent STD test, you don’t know what she’s harboring in her lovely vagina. (and even your standard HIV, chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis STD test doesn’t screen everything. You need separate testing for herpes and HPV, both of which can be transmitted even when you are using condoms. Though condoms obviously decrease risk of transmission. Plus I understand that I’m always taking a risk when I get a bareback blowjob and eat out a girl. Bare oral sex is a lower risk activity than bareback fucking so I’ll take my chances.)
Bareback is not alpha if you knock up a bitch in 2013 with these ridiculous paternity laws (you think a sugar baby would be above lying about being on the pill? If she knows that you are making good coin, she’ll be motivated to have a pregnancy.)
There was a cute, young brunette escort in the GTA that openly advertised bareback fucking in an ad. And I have to admit, I felt tempted. But I know deep down it’s batshit stupid to fuck a working girl bareback. It’s a lot harder for a man to get a STD from a woman than vice versa. The risk is still high enough that you are playing with fire fucking a dirty girl bareback.
wouldn’t go for an escort advertising bareback..
well, yeah, the whole point of being a sugar daddy is that you become the selector. Get her to get an std test as part of the “arrangement”.
also, it goes without saying, vasectomy (read the mgtow boards about it)
vasectomy + std testing + sugar daddy = legit
Absolutely true. But if one has money he can hire international escorts on a weekly basis (I do that) For instance you can hire amazing EE or Asian escorts for fraction of the price you can get here in Sydney (in Australia it’s legal) Last time I hired Hot 20 year old Thai babe for a fortnight for $2500. It was awesome. We both got tested and from day 3 it was bare back bliss. In Sydney they charge $500/hour!!! (Because I always go for hot and no older than 28, never go below hard 7! Normally 8 or 9. Above 9’s are actually rather cold in bed. But there are exceptions)
Well, I come back home on a neutral Tuesday and this post has 53 comments lol.
Yeah, Asian men in the West are too deep shit in the negative to even bother moving a foot to get out of the house. I really think it was a mistake for my parents to immigrate here. Asian males come to the West to die alone. I just need to fill in the time with things I enjoy.
Pessimism for the day.
When your parents immigrated to your new country, they did it with the intention of providing you either with a more materially comfortable standard of living and/or the privilege of living in a RELATIVELY free society (emphasis on relatively. lol) They didn’t give thought about your prospects of getting laid. Not knowing that their Asian daughters would slut it up in their younger years with white and black cock and then go on to marry a white dude in many cases.
@looks reality
Toronto is definitely incel central. A lot of my white peers, let alone non-white friends, have trouble getting laid (I’m a likely Sperge so obviously it’s going to be harder for me. But even for neurotypical white guys, it’s hard). Meanwhile fat, ugly, white bitches have no trouble getting dick and then they bitch and moan about how they get pumped and dumped (boo hoo. At least you’re getting free dick despite looking like Shamoo stuffing your face with Quiznos, poutine and pizza). When you look at Toronto women, it’s no wonder Toronto has such a large gay/bi/transexual community. Roosh has talked about how Toronto is probably the worst metropolitan area for men he has ever seen. And there is the racial minority issue. South and East Asian men’s best chance of getting laid in Toronto is to find a nice girl their own race and get married or see escorts/sugar babies. Brown and Asian girls looking to ride the cock carousel, usually want the white and black alpha cock carousel. However an attractive brown male friend of mine hooked up with a hot, slutty (but insane) brown girl (at least that’s what he’s been telling me! lol). I think she was embarrassed of him and that’s why it ended (if you read AD’s rants about Indian-American women, that’s more or less how it is).
And white pussy is a dream for East and South Asian men unless she’s desperate (fat, ugly bitch and even those can fuck hot white guys) or after his money. My sister is bff with an older white woman who admits that she was never sexually excited by her East Indian husband. But the biological clock was ticking and he was a sweet guy (she probably conveniently left out the part that he’s likely a STEM type that makes good money). I wonder how much alpha white and black cock she had in high school all the way up to the mid-late 30s. Maybe she’s getting it on the side still too.
Yeah, I have no problem admitting that white pussy is my dream. Realistically, it’s either escorts or an above average white girl at best. Then you got the rest of the marriage problem. I really do have resentment for not just my parents but all the Asian immigrants of their generation. It was fine for them to immigrate with their wives; no need to worry about getting laid. Once unleashed, Asian men can’t compete with white men physically. So Asian women flock to white dick and have an easy way out while we jerk off to white women in porn. It’s sad that I’m so nonchalant about this, but right now I’m feeling meh. Again, what a stupid idea. Throwing away your heritage, culture, food, homeland, all for some dumb opportunity to get ahead and make more money. Fucking retarded. Also ironic that I’m typing in English, but whatever. We’re all fucked anyway. No future. Some sick twisted joke this is, watching women of my race in front of me with white men, it’s like a fucked up imprisonment. Then you see how other women don’t see you as a prospective man. You’re just there, evoking no attraction. Glad to know that at least some of us are getting laid and putting money to good use.
money bro, money.
when you have several thousand a month to spend, you can get whatever you want and they will have to be nice.
the only thing a <8/10 man should be doing in his life is earning as much money as possible, investing, and not getting attached
Yes, escorts and sugar daddy are the only paths for a white guy under 8/10. That is the cruel reality of our world. I think Toronto is not worth living in for reasons beyond earning money (if you can get a good job here). A better idea would be to earn money and then sugar daddy and fuck escorts abroad like in Europe somewhere.
Asian men know their place, they rarely even speak up in public let alone approach white women. It’s a pity to be in the beta-by-default races. Best thing to do is earn money and buy white pussy. Chasing after average or fat women isn’t worth it, have some self respect. A man who has self respect doesn’t approach women knowing he will have a high failure rate, that’s what a PUA (read: beggar) does. I refuse to be one.
Toronto is a shithole for single men. At the end of the day though, human beings are shit. And I think that is universal across all cultures (but especially in the anglosphere of USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand) And being a likely Sperger who was treated like shit by kids at an early age, I was vaguely aware of the red pill most of my life. But kept holding on to the blue pill dream. However when I evaluate every single one of my human relationships, I find that I never really gave a shit about anyone in this world. Aspies struggle with two-way conversation but it may also be because I was treated like shit as a kid and realized that human relationships are selfish to the core and no one really gives a shit about you. It’s all about what you can do for them. That’s why we have to pay therapists to listen to us. Just like we pay escorts to fuck and suck us). If there is one person that I can say that I give a shit about, it’s my mother. The only woman on the planet who loves me for me (and she’s dying).
I was also similar, I was advised to do therapy but I know it’s worthless scum. A man who isn’t regularly fucking hot women = depressed, that’s just the way we’re programmed. By that definition, most men should be on antidepressants with therapist visits, such a lie that those professionals can help us.
The red pill is the only way out, realize that life is miserable for the most part and deal with it. At the end, even the handsome guys are going to age/bald/die, cherish the fact that the lucky will eventually be unlucky at some point. Cheers.
You are competing against a cohort of men that are now:
less educated
earn less
of limited mobility
There are then plenty of broken families to scavenge from.
Of course, “regular guys” are pedophile-wannabes,
while “handsome psychopaths” are saving young women.
That kind of crap is precisely why I say,
make every interaction with women a transaction. NOTHING gets done without a fee in cash.
And trust me, when you become a professional with the proper mindset and knowledge, WOMEN will want you to do things for them, FOR FREE.
Just say no, collect your money, and plan on spending it on an FKK, an investment generating returns or better hardware.
If a woman is only as stable as her last emotion,
it makes no sense to see them as partners for life.
In fact a real PUA who is truthful will admit that even the best are only getting 10% success!!!! As a PUA you must have no respect for your male essense!! What’s to admire? It’s pathetic. Getting turned down dozens of times a day? No way!
Yes, I realized that as well. I learned that traditional marriages are also not worth it. My parents had one and even though my mother was loyal, I couldn’t imagine dealing with an aging woman even if she was a 7-8 virgin at marriage.
I am getting extremely fed up with being stuck in Toronto. I’ve never really approached women here, but all the talk about how it’s bad is enough to sway me against it. I couldn’t imagine living here as a single man my entire life. I am going to earn what I can for a few years to build up some capital, and then relocate elsewhere, where the women are less entitled and the lifestyle is much cheaper. Whether that be elsewhere in Canada or Europe, anywhere where I can buy whyte pussy.
The white pussy may be coming to you sooner than you think.
Since teaching is an easy degree, but many teachers in Europe and the West are now lifers because the jobs are simply not there,
recent female graduates are going over to Asia to “teach English”.
Of course, what many of them don’t realise is:
Their “English teaching” counts for jack back in their home country,
and the longer they spend overseas in that no-prospects position (but pays pretty well since the only requirement is “be white”) … around white guys who prefer submissive local girls,
their mind may properly turn to appreciate the guys who aren’t white.
Of course, they may just turn mental and try to hook a guy in their own country. Eh, so what.
P.S. For your info:
http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772
(100 countries and their prostitution policies).
Thanks, I am a non white living in Toronto. Although prostitution is legal and good quality here, I want to eventually move somewhere where it is cheaper. What countries do you suggest in the long term for that purpose? I want to fuck escorts and semi-pros who are poor but attractive. I’m thinking Eastern Europe but they are full of racist white losers who want to be like hitler, so it might not be the safest place for me to be. At least in the “developed” white countries, they are required to put up a facade of being nice to me.
I’d recommend you try Oceania (Australia, NZ).
3 reasons:
1. If you’re not a student, you don’t get that crap-storm like what happened to Sopheng Veng (picked up an STD visiting prostitutes, then was told he was going to be deported as “NZ doesn’t want (international) students with STDs” despite the fact that chlamydia is making a comeback there.
2. There are quite a few young-girl-older-guy pairings there, but since you’re Asian … take bloody good care to record or have decent mitigating evidence if she’s younger (only 1% of the population there have degrees, and they give Asians a hard time (even if they speak English natively), so ONLY go this route if you have an escape route home and a business you can self-run … jobs are hard to come by even for native Asians)
3. Prostitution is legal there.
Extra: Whatever you do, keep safe in the night. Racists have a thing for beating people up when the lights are out – learn to sprint real fast, it worked for me. Expect the cops not to arrest the perps, or even better: LET THEM GO AFTER YOU IDENTIFY THEM (happened to me).
In so saying, I didn’t sample anything (and don’t have a thing for Asian girls anyway), since I was a student, and trusted that “bad things” would happen to me if I had too much fun at university (did a STEM course to completion, under the regular course period of 3 years).
Good luck with your decision, and remember that a lot of morality is people dictating that you should disadvantage yourself for their (unearned) privilege.
Oh ya,
and just for some thinking:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2355000/Yes-teachers-seducing-pupils-vile-But-I-know-scheming-temptresses-girls-1–I-shameless.html
I don’t doubt that New Zealand and Australia have a good prostitution scene (I’ve never been) given the more legalized status there. But the Toronto escort scene ain’t bad. The cops don’t care if you go see a call girl unless she’s underaged or sex-trafficked (and there’s really no way of you knowing so chances are they’ll probably go after the pimp and not the lowly johns). It’s effectively decriminalized here. The Montreal scene I hear is better. And my favourite escort hands down was visiting Toronto from Montreal. Half French-Canadian, half Irish. Yes a lot of the escorts raised in Canada (especially the Greater Toronto Area) have the same bad attitude that western women have in general. But read the reviews. I have seen 7 escorts. All western-raised white women. Only one gave me attitude and I went in there blindly without reading reviews. The ones who have a reputation to uphold are friendly.
I find that escort ads mostly fail to capture my interest though. It’s not enough for a girl to be “hot”. It doesn’t help that most girls don’t show their face in ads. It’s not necessarily because escorts look mostly like painted whores. I like cute, sweet girl-next-door types (I find these hard to find on backpage). The reason why I find the red pill so bitter to swallow is that I actually am a nice guy and I have no interest in being a douchebag. But I want the girlfriend type who fucks and sucks like a pornstar. I’ll be a good boyfriend but I want a good girlfriend and taking care of my sexual needs is part of that. That’s why I love GFE providers. Because they best give me what I need with a lot less attitude. But a sluttier scantily clad painted whore type can get my engine going though. If she’s a sweetheart (you know, the hooker with a heart of gold archetype). The problem is that most of these escorts on backpage are very generic. It’s like generic HB8+ # 40. Who cares. Once I had a taste of a solid GFE with a HB8+, I’ve set the bar high for my expectations.
I want to be able to look at an ad and think “I really want to have sex with this girl”. And after I read her reviews, I want to come away with that feeling as well. I’m more likely to come across women on the street near Yonge/Eglinton and downtown Toronto and also on OkCupid/POF (provided they have bodyshots) that make me go “I would really like to fuck her” (though these civilians are too morally corrupted and stuck-up to be pleasant as girlfriends). My favourite escort didn’t even have a good ad (I only wanted to see her because she had low restrictions). It was when she greeted me at the door that I was sold on her. A bunch of pics (especially if only body shots) doesn’t do a woman justice. In order to get me primed for sex, these girls need to take better pictures and stop coming across as generic painted whores. I need some personality in a woman man.
I am 6’1″ white and I love Thai girls. White women (especially here in Australia) age horribly. They hit the wall at 26!!
Thanks, yeah that’s what morality really is. And no I am not asian. I look middle eastern and have an arab name too. Going to get my name changed eventually. How realistic would it be for me to be a sugar daddy there? I would imagine it to not be any cheaper than in Canada. Also, my main fear is moving somewhere and then it not living up to expectations. However I’m already in the worst possible place (outside the US where prostitution is illegal) in Toronto, an overpriced and feminized city full of ethnic minorities.
And no I am not asian. I look middle eastern and have an arab name too. Going to get my name changed eventually.
You can get that done by deed poll. I don’t know how it works for you if you’re not a citizen though.
Whether you succeed at pulling, depends on what kind of “Arab”-look you have.
I saw guys with beards get no play, but the ones with “five-o-clock” shadow did.
Helps if you have that “lonely, tortured” vibe of “my family is screwed up, I’m screwed up, but any person talks bad about my woman imma get up in that”.
How realistic would it be for me to be a sugar daddy there?
Depends what age range you are shooting for. I’d expect the younger girls have fewer demands, but they might have bitchy friends who break things up for you.
Avoid girls who are athletes, with girlfriends they are tied-at-the-hip with. Damn, that cuts out my interests …
Also, my main fear is moving somewhere and then it not living up to expectations.
Have some money stashed away so you can leave. NZ loses a huge percentage of their young to overseas, as jobs are very difficult to get there unless you “know someone at the firm”.
My name also has muslim affiliation, which I hate because I never followed the religion and my parents barely did. I hate when people ask me if I drink. I have been here since I was about 5 and have nothing in common with any ethnic traditions or people for that matter.
I don’t have curly hair or a long face and I can grow facial hair. I’m more worried about being targeted by white terrorists than I am the girls liking my looks (since I’m paying).
What do you think about Europe? They have the type of women I want, and it’s cheap to live there. Only problem is the racism. I have never faced any racism in Toronto because it’s PC. The rest of the world is not so PC so I’d be in for a surprise. The cost of living seems pretty high in NZ also. I want to find a place that’s poor, where I can be seen as rich.
I want to find a place that’s poor, where I can be seen as rich.
Poland, Romania, probably the former Bosnia-Herzegovina (you’d be like the American-Asian guy to Chinese girls: foreign enough to be interesting, familiar enough to be introduced early to the parents).
If you could speak Arabic it’d probably make being in Bosnia easier.
However for the other 2, since they’re in the EU, I assume they speak _SOME_ English.
How realistic would it be for me to be a sugar daddy there?
Be prepared to be theatrical for the girl, and you’ll do fine.
Again, according to LMS theory if you are decent looking you start off with a “this guy’s interesting” vibe.
I can tell you though that NZ has plenty of whiteknights and female apologists.
However if you are a blokey sort of guy you can get away with some really callous remarks off the “I’m just joking, you pansy” attitude.
Don’t know if this helps, but they really like kebabs, especially in the morning hours after nightclub/disco visits (Thursdays and Saturdays).
You might hear morons talk about how you are a “terrorist from Wogistan” as is typical of morons.
I actually found that they were nothing like western women. I saw about 10 this year and other than one who was fired, they were all very nice and tried to make it fun.
Just use real agencies from TERB bro. Have you ever tried semi-pros? I can’t wait for the point where I have the money to just go around asking poor women for paid sex.
speaking of roissy, the images in one of his recent posts were actually frauded.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/confident-a-hole-game/
The original ones are found here:
http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=72229
http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=36298&page=2
That’s exactly right. Speaking or Roissy, one of his recent blog posts contained frauded online dating conversations which he claimed was proof of a-hole game. The original images told a completely different story and the guy was in actuality a famous male model.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/confident-a-hole-game/
the original ones from a year ago:
yes exactly. By the way did you read one of Roissy’s recent posts called “confident a hole game”
I wasn’t able to link the actual post but it’s easy to find by appending “/2013/05/15/confident-a-hole-game/” to the heartiste website url. here are the images in question:
These images are frauded.
http://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/5jjqklm.jpg?w=845&h=957
The guy in the real images is an actual male model. This has nothing to do with “game” but it has everything to do with “looks”, “height”, and “build”. Puas all about trying to convince people that the average male needs to only change a few personality traits before enjoying much more success. The truth is If the profile was of a 5 9 or shorter guy with the above guy’s looks, those conversations had no chance of taking place. This is what the real conversations look like:
Wow that ConfidenceMatters guy was being a total creep/douche and he still got her number just because he is hot (and likely tall I believe). Unbelievable. Those girls are total bimbos though. A woman of greater substance would stop talking to a guy like that no matter how hot he is. The bottom line though is that if you are not hot and tall, you are fucked regardless though. If you are hot, you can fuck up with bad game. But good game will not elevate you if you are not hot. I tend to occupy that middling niche where I’m facially attractive but women don’t take me seriously as a man because i’m 5’6″. I can name two girls off the top of my head who were flirty with me online and everything because they thought I was cute until they asked me my height and I mentioned I was 5’6″ (this was outside a dating site so they couldn’t just check my profile).
If I hit the gym, built some muscle, toned up a lot, brought myself down to single-digit body fat, I probably will get some more pussy. But my Asperger’s Syndrome would prevent me from ever being on say Ronnie from Jersey Shore’s level (he is my height too but very muscular and ripped. I would be surprised if he didn’t use roids to get that body.) People have no idea how much having Asperger’s Syndrome dramatically changes things. Neurotypicals actually enjoy having two-way conversations with people (or at least they know how to fake it a lot better). I do not and it is obvious to other people. That’s why people think Aspies are assholes. We are assholes. We have a heightened awareness of just how dull, stupid, unimaginative and conventional most people are. So as long as I am unwilling to play the game and pretend to be interested in what these bitches are saying (and even if I wanted to, Aspies don’t have the social intelligence to fake it like neurotypicals), things ain’t gonna change. Thank God for masturbation, porn and prostitutes.
Well I did find a similar conversation log posted by the guy who made the “ConfidenceMatters” profile using the same photos. The girl in this one is allegedly a Yale graduate:
This is what he had to say about it:
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“I was using Ctrl + v to spam a bunch of girls but missed the key for this, so my opening ended up being just “v.” She’s likely getting close to 100 thoughtful messages a day, yet she throws herself at a guy who opened with “v” and only wants sex. I’d say that’s pretty significant. She could easily get wined and dined by lawyers, doctors, and businessmen every day of the week. Yet she throws herself at a good looking guy who says “v” and “I’m looking for a fwb. Interested?”
I only made this account a few hours ago, so I can’t see hot girls yet. I’ll be able to get them just as easily.”
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You can consider purchasing a pair of lifts, not being rude. 2 more inches can put you into the normal range of height for someone living in the US. This might be enough to luck out occasionally with average-ish girls. Always lie about your height.
Looking at his photos, I would say Ronnie has a lot more than single digit body fat. It’s more important to be low bf% than to be muscular.
As for the aspergers, I have no idea. I probably have some aspie tendencies.
Does it occur to you that other people just put the label “Asperger” on, so that it justifies their jackassery towards you?
Bimbos don’t get called “dunces”, and are given the red-carpet treatment.
It’s another one of those “abuse men, elevate women to get pussy” attitudes.
I save the entire interaction of confidence matters and the other “just be good looking” openers (e.g. give me your number or else I’ll rape you).
It’s entertaining reading, to be sure.
yes those images are fake.in the real dialogiue the model used was Brian Shimansky,who does look alot like superman.
The main reason why I like seeing escorts as opposed to dating is because I feel like I can be myself (including embracing my softer side and not having to be an alpha caricature) and do things on my terms when I’m with an escort. I don’t have to sacrifice time investment into my hobbies. I can eat how I want (I don’t want to get fat but I don’t have to kill myself with a shitty diet and strenuous exercise to get a six-pack to impress girls who wouldn’t wanna fuck me anyway). I can dress how I want (I actually enjoy shopping for spiffy clothes and looking good but if I don’t have to impress a girl, then I can solely focus on treating myself to nice clothes rather than stress out over what I need to buy to impress chicks.)
If I want to kiss a hot escort’s butt cheeks, I can go right ahead. She won’t judge. If I want to eat a hot girl’s pussy and asshole, I don’t have to worry about coming off as beta if it’s an escort. The escort is there to please me. If I want to hungrily suck on a hot girl’s tits, she won’t think of you as a horny teenager. She’ll be glad to let you. And even if an escort isn’t cool with deepthroating, swallowing your cum, anal, hair pulling, etc. the good escorts don’t give you attitude if you request these things. But regular girls will often judge you for being into this shit and think you are a misogynist. If you want to deep french-kiss with an escort and cuddle, she won’t think you are a clingy beta. If she is a GFE provider, she will oblige.
Basically the bottom line is that I can be a lot closer to the man I want to be with escorts than with your typical North American cunt. Yes it’s expensive. But quality and convenience > quantity. If an escort can get me off with a bareback blowjob, it’s not essential that I fuck a girl bareback (as much as I would love to cum in a girl’s pussy, that’s not something you can ever do with a girl who takes a lot of bare cocks in her pussy. Surprisingly, that describes A LOT of civilian girls. So it has to be with a girlfriend or a sugar baby who will submit to STD tests. And I’m not wealthy enough to be a sugar daddy.) I think it’s rich how North Americunts often say that I’m a misogynist when I express my beliefs. But what kind of woman hater loves to kiss, kiss a woman’s butt cheeks, worship her breasts, eat pussy, eat her asshole, compliment and cuddle with women? When women are nice to me, I can be very generous. I started off as a genuine nice guy but North Americunts have hardened me. No woman would ever love me for me (even when my ex and that fattie I hooked up with opened up their legs for me, those girls never really saw all of me.) At the end of the day, no one aside from maybe your birth mother loves you for you. They love what you can do for them and how you make them feel. So I just choose to pay for it.
Yes, that is another huge edge with paid sex. You are the selector, not the cunts. I wouldn’t worry too much about those online dating snippets. It’s a bunch of average chicks with makeup, who would be sluts for male models, is that really a big shock that they are like that?
To stay mentally sane, your best bet is to improve your looks to get better service from escorts, and stick to paid interactions. When you pay, the likelihood of being treated like garbage is very low. I prefer porn or nothing instead of being treated like garbage in the slightest. Do not let women who haven’t sucked or fucked you, have the opportunity to put you down. If they won’t fuck you, don’t acknowledge their existence. Just worry about your money and buying sex.
There are 2 main ways to get laid, being good looking or paying. In either case, the woman is choosing the man for something superficial. In the case of looks, it feels more “real”, but in reality the woman is just doing it for herself. Paid sex with money is no different fundamentally from unpaid sex. If you can’t pay with looks dollars, you have to pay with $. Either way, it’s an equal exchange.
I always found it amusing how people tend to think a woman is shallow for liking a guy for his money. How is liking a guy because of his looks or because he has a big dick any less shallow and superficial? At the end of the day people use you. They don’t really care about you. If people cared about each other, why do people have to pay a therapist to listen to them? Why do people keep secrets from each other and tell “white lies”? I would never be caught dead telling a girl (unless she friend zoned me) that I’ve seen escorts (they think it’s dirty no matter what. If you tell them that you use condoms, their rationalization hamster has already made up it’s mind that you are having sex bareback with diseased skanks. Deep down they think you are a loser so if they don’t want to outright call you one, they’ll use their rationalization hamster to come up with an excuse to downgrade your value) or that I own a Fleshlight (it’s sitting there collecting dust in my closet because masturbation by hand is way more convenient and low maintenance. But almost all women would feel horrified if they found it in my closet even though they have one or more vibrators at home).
As for focusing on improving my looks to get better service from escorts, as a facially attractive guy, I already do get better service from some of them. The ones who don’t give me better service are probably more attracted to height and masculine features. I have a babyface (I have facial hair but my face looks young for my age) and I’m 5’6″. A lot of girls (unpaid and paid) think I’m cute. And if I lost some baby fat on my face and on my abs, gained more muscle and toned, I would be in an even better position. But my height and social awkwardness kills off any sort of attraction they may have towards me. A number of girls on dating sites have agreed to meet with me so yes being short is not a dealbreaker with every girl. A girl who was taller than me went on two dates with me even. The social awkwardness is not a case of mere shyness. Asperger’s Syndrome is a permanent aspect of your personality. You can only manage it by faking social interactions and learning how to socialize more. There are things I can improve on socially. But the common theme I notice in my interactions is that if the other person isn’t talking about things I care about, I lose interest. And because I can potentially ruffle feathers when I share my opinions (especially in the early stages of dating), I tend to keep them to myself.
Yes, being able to be yourself is a great reason to pay for sex.
For future reference, would you like me to not post links to these kinds of images?
keep posting them, let the dumb ***s out there get a bit of a reality check, so many commenters on this blog talk about game, keep posting this just to get a kick out of their defensive responses backed up by game.
It’s simple, do what you have/want to do, and don’t tell anyone in real life about it. They will make fun of you, but won’t be of any benefit had you fit their standards of a “winner” in the first place. Dealing with others outside of business purposes or women with a high % of success, is almost always a losing game.
Your height is a serious issue, I am 5’10” and I feel short since every woman wears heels. Even with 2″ lifts I still feel short. I still have 40 lbs to lose, so I should get maybe +0.5 points out of that. Have you considered leg lengthening surgery or moving to asia?
I’ve set up a fake male profile with muscles and six-pack shot on a dating site and I’m playing “alpha douche” game big time. I made it in no uncertain terms on my profile that my male model is DTF and hung. I made him a black guy (because lots of white girls go crazy for big black dick). And in the first message I basically ask them if they like black guys/been with black guys/whatever. I just cut straight to the chase. One smoking hot Serbian girl living in Serbia approached him to trade nudes (only my ex-girlfriend and a fugly sent me nudes before). Another older married white woman seems keen on hooking up but she needs to follow through more to see if she’s serious about it.
I’m going to be honest though. If I was an Adonis, I would rather be like Drake rather than a gangsta thug. Being a romantic i part of my personality. But it’s fun to fuck with western and westernized eastern euro whores pretending to be an alpha douche to prove a point.
That’s why the only legit path is money. Roids will kill you, and looks can’t be changed to the significant level required.
I spoke too soon. That experiment I had with the alpha male on dating sites didn’t work out after sending about 100 messages. Chatted up with a few girls. Got a couple digits (there were girls that seemed interested but then flaked when I asked for their digits). Tons of rejection. Girls on online dating sites want a LTR. Plain and simple. They don’t want an alpha douche who will pump and dump them. One girl told my alpha straight up that she had her fun in her younger years and isn’t interested in hooking up. She wants to settle down. And she was only like 28. Women seem to think that if they don’t have a man and a baby by 30, they are failures or something. Meanwhile I’m going to be 28 soon and I have no interest in settling down just yet. I haven’t had enough fun yet. I was a late bloomer. Had sex with only 2 civilians before I discovered escorts just 14 1/2 months ago. And the escorts is where I’ve had all the fun. Compared to the vanilla civilian sex I was getting before. And having to deal with their attitude.
My mom passed away recently. She is like the one woman in this world who loves me for me. After her death, I feel like a relationship with a woman is pointless because no woman will ever love me like that ever. If I’m just in it for sex, I can see escorts and not put up with the bullshit. Women love what you can do for them and how you make them feel. They don’t love you. The only exception to that rule is your mother if you have a good mom.
That’s because sex with attractive women >>> an average or ugly couple. With attractive escorts, there’s only 1 person pretending to enjoy it, with an average couple, there’s 2 people pretending to enjoy it (you included).
Meanwhile I’m going to be 28 soon and I have no interest in settling down just yet.
Settle down with a 16 year old.
That’s what your gripe is, right?
That the only women who want to “settle down” are those who have had more pricks than a cactus farmer.
There have been 5 weddings in my cohort of the women at university (that I know personally).
All of these 5 women were sluts.
All of them wore white to the wedding.
All were over 20.
Every girl above 14 is having sex these days, maybe 15-16 the latest. This is probably going to be common in the more conservative countries soon enough.
I’m reliably told China is the anal/oral capital of the world,
as the girls there reserve their vagina for special boyfriends.
Always remember that the plain girls will put out more BECAUSE they can’t attract guys unless they do.
The whole idea of ugly girls are frigid is bloody laughable, a fat whale at university was going around offering it to guys for free
(Zyzz cartoon 3/10 would not bang) …
she is now a married teacher leading children 7 to 12 years old about Christianity.
Yes, and the majority of men by college graduation would be lucky to have had a decent looking GF. That’s the world we live in.
The other thing about those 5 women that got married:
Every single man they married (and this was in NZ):
had their own house.
You are very wrong and have a weak mindset.
The only reason whites and caucasoids are at the top right now is because of better expression of genetics aka epigenetics from 500 years of superior nutrition.
How did this happen?
They used smallpox and their diseases to wipe out Native Americans and take over North, Central, and South America.
They used to be as short, as deformed, and as ugly as a huge percentage of poorer Asian/East Asian guys.
It was because they stole and imperialized and stole all those resources and lands and then went on to steal all those resources from Africa and all those resources from East Asia, pushing and using Opium to destroy East Asian society.
America especially has not had war or bombs ravage their lands for 150 years.
You think that TWO ATOMIC BOMBS in EAST ASIA has not had a negative impact on gene expression within East Asians?
You think the political and social destruction caused by Western Imperialism for the last 300 years in East Asia did not affect epigenetics in East Asians?
Without all those resources and especially lands of North and South America, whites would still be stuck in their shitholes in Europe, killing each other with swords and catapults, and dying of bubonic plague just like pre 1500.
Whites would never have invented shit without killing half the world and committing GENOCIDE on entire race -> Native Americans, and stealing all those lands and resources to build more stable societies.
What is considered attractive is also determined by media.
Hollywood and western media controlled by Ashkenazi jews and whites have been brainwashing the world for the last 50 to 60 years.
So of course white guys will be viewed as most desirable.
And I take it you are an East Asian male like myself.
What can we do about these genetic consequences due to long-term uneven distribution of resources, nuking of our homelands, and pollution of our homelands and oppression of our homelands by dishonorable, thieving, cheating, raping, pillaging whites and Ashkenazis?
Are you going to just fucking “die alone” and accept your “place.”
No, hell no.
Look at Asia right now. The men are already becoming much taller and expressing our genetics properly.
Now that resources are evening out, we can fight back with not only media, but fullscale war against the West.
China has nukes now and so does North Korea.
All that needs to be done is to liberate Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan from the grips of the white-supremacist western imperialist Americans, unite East Asia, and take back the USA from the whites and give them to East Asians (we are the Blood Brothers of the extinct Native Americans),
give the lands also to the blacks who suffered under slavery by the whites, and also to the hispanic-browns who are the last descendents of the Native Americans.
With the west becoming weaker and weaker, and Muslim and Black and Indians taking over much of Europe as well as the US financial crisis, a full scale race war in which all Peoples of Color unite to destroy and take out the whites and destroy their system of white privilege and wipe out Ashkenazi jews along with them, would mean we would no longer have to deal with this bullshit.
And this is completely possible.
Korea only needs a little education/re-education on the truth of western imperialism in East Asia to be convinced to unify with North Korea and then join the East Asian Union.
With the East Asian Union, you would be combining and increasingly modern and sophisticated Chinese military with superior drone and electronics warfare + superior ground-level combat strategy from thousands of years of learning with Japanese robotics and other technologies far superior to America and combined with Korea’s superior communications technologies and ultra-vicious ultra-tough shock troops.
As a combined Union, East Asians would wipe the floor with whites and ensure that future generations of East Asians get the best nutrition, best everything while also avenging all the wrongs whites have committed on the rest of the world and Peoples of Color.
32-40 million extra East Asian (specifically Chinese) men also factor into the equation. The gender imbalance means many many East Asian men who were born for this task of taking back the world from white supremacist arrogance, dishonor, and thievery. And I am of course one of those East Asian men who would be completely wiling to give my life to take down this piece of shit white supremacist system built on genocide, thievery, dishonor, and “rich getting richer by stealing and imperializing more and enslaving and nuking”
Numbers matter when both sides have nukes.
Because that means you either use conventional warfare,
or everyone dies from MAD from nuclear, chemical, and biological Armageddon because both sides launch everything.
Even then, we East Asians would win, because we take out the whites along with us when we launch all the nukes. Nobody lives. And I would not care if it ended up that way, because we still avenge our ancestors and avenge the genocides of the Native Americans and Australian Aborigines and the oppression of East Asians.
Also, tall whites are dead fucking meat in war. So are big/extremely muscular whites (bodybuilding is a peacetime pursuit that can only be done with excess resources as well as steroids which damage the heart).
In war, especially modern projectile warfare, the bigger and taller you are, the faster you die. You are nothing more than a meatshield. Bigger and taller individuals also must utilize more food to sustain themselves and need more food to expend the same amount of energy.
Most whites and Americans are fat fucks and cannot even run 1 mile or lift fucking 70 lbs (babyweights) without crying and dying.
Whereas most East Asian guys I know are not only fast, but extremely strong lb for lb. I am an example of that.
I do not even need that much food to naturally pack on muscle while also being fast and having decent endurance.
And please, you think white “looks” will save them?
You think white American “technological superiority” (most of it stolen anyways) will mean shit when Muslims are righteously pissed at them and can also mobilize millions and most African Americans and Africans I know are itching for a race war to exterminate whites especially after Trayvon Martin?
Most Browns and African Americans in the military would split from whites the moment a race war happens.
Luckily a race war looks more and more likely.
And East Asian men have even more of a stake with all these traitor East Asian women being brainwashed by Hollywood.
Whites have so many crimes they still need to answer for.
And this unfair shit you see here about attractiveness and epigenetics because of uneven distribution of resources (because whites stole all of it) and the fact that most of their lands have not faced nuclear bombings or mass firebombings or rapings or pillagings for centuries…….. is all just more firewood for the bonfire.
Lastly, American means that when shit hits the fan, the American military may not even be able to mobilize due to high cost of oil or rest of the world embargoing them, especialy if Muslims/Browns, and Brown-Hispanic-Latinos, Blacks.Africans, and all of East + Central Asia + INdia unite to take down this white supremacist system.
They stand absolutely no fucking chance.
Now all we have to do is re-distribute and awaken people to the wise words of Sun Yat Sen aka Sun Zhong San and other great men like Malcolm X.
I would rather die with sword in hand than give up and live the life of a coward who “knows his place.”
I know my place is NOT BENEATH WHITES.
And a fellow East Asian male such as yourself better fucking drill that into your head, lift heavy, take a multi, and train yourself to shoot and be ready for when shit hits the fan.
love it, I dream of this every day, only hope it happens in my lifetime (I am 22) so I can fuck their women.
Cool. I am the same age.
I browsed some of your posts and while insulting about East Asians, you have some very correct observations about how many East Asians are nerdy, unwanted and losers and weak physically.
I dislike these guys who only focus solely on intellect.
Then again that may be the reason we win because East Asia will develop superior drone technology.
But this isn’t their/our fault for the most part. Most of it is due to the uneven distribution of resources as well as massive scale wars fought in East Asia until only 40 or so years ago, and the Atomic Bombs definitely did tons of epigenetic damage along with western industries and companies that polluted/pollute the environment and the sellout traitor Chinese who help these white corporations set up because they are greedy honorless coward traitors.
The larger physicality of whites doesn’t really give them an advantage in real warfare, especially modern warfare.
This is where they are deluded.
And many of them must rely on steroids, which not everyone can take.
I am guessing you are also a miscer and lift heavy take a multi judging from your knowledge of zyzz.
But I hate the misc because most of them are white supremacist douchebag piece of shit lowlife white phaggots that I would probably gut in real life because most of them are such phaggot douches.
Nah, I was never really a miscer, just a lost young person who became obsessed with race and looks over the internet. Zyzz on the whole, was a failure. He was basically an incel nerd who drowned himself in steroids and died, nothing too great about that.
I don’t hate East Asians, but it is fair to say that they have a very bad reputation. And although I think most immigrants to the west are able to improve their lives, I just don’t see the point for Asians to come here. So many of them are already wealthy, and come here to produce virgin sons and girls who only fuck white guys, just to feel like they are part of the western world. Asians are very arrogant and feel like they are superior, when the reality is that they are the laughingstock of western society among the immigrant groups.
Yes, misc and stormfront contain mostly one type of person, the majority can be profiled as: white, 18-30 years old, low education, broke, average looks or worse.
For the most part, racial preferences in dating are more a result of social conditioning than whites being the most attractive. Most white women with blonde hair, you can see the dark roots underneath. They want everyone to aspire to the same looks that a few northern europeans inherited through one guy who developed the blue eye mutation. What they have done is created an entire arena where only white men are seen as attractive. Dating just isn’t worth it if you aren’t a white male.
That’s the thing.
They created an entire society/world that is brainwashed to pretty much only like white guys because Hollywood has been doing the brainwashing for 60 years.
I know I am pretty good looking and have had girls hit on me. And I even fit somewhat into the “westernized” standards of good-looks because I have an aquiline/pointy and thin nose/nostrils are not wide, as well as an oval/thin and more chiseled face than the vast majority of “Mongoloid” East Asians. I look like a combo of 30% Jang Hyuk, 20% Wallace Huo (especially eyes), 40% Will Yun Lee, and 10% Daniel Henney
But a disproportionate number of those girls who hit on me were fat,
and the few decent looking ones who initiated/hit on me were as follows:
1 scandinavian babe who was made fun of for liking Asian guys but very attractive and I regret cutting all ties with her, but she seemed to not really be interested in me, and was obsessed with Japanese culture/guys (and I am part Hokkaido Ainu Japanese, she specifically wanted to get with a guy living in Japan).
and 2 Asian girls, one being mixed with some kind of latin/hispanic or possibly filipina while the other was vietnamese.
My point is that East Asian guys especially in the USA, even the good looking AND tall ones don’t have many options.
I am unfortunately only good looking and muscular and not tall.
But girls being obsessed with height are deluded.
Height does not make you a superior fighter/protector, especially when weapons like PROJECTILE WEAPONS are involved.
Height is a disadvantage in modern projectile warfare where the biggest and tallest get their heads blown off first by 50 cal sniper rifles, and being big and tall means more resources required to sustain, and in war, most people will be getting nowhere near the nutrition it takes for tall guys to be muscular/buff, especially if supply lines are cut.
Height even in bare hand bare knuckle full contact no protective gear martial arts is not always an advantage. And if you allow any and all types of striking/grappling, a short, fast and buff guy can easily destroy a taller, even muscular-tall guy by taking out his legs or smashing his knee in or kicking the knee so hard from the sides that the tendons tear and the big guy comes crashing down.
Height is an advantage only for intimidation factor, but even that is obsolete because of human inventions such as projectile weapons and martial arts where a strong, smaller guy still has a good chance against a strong big guy.
You look at UFC and many of those with weight classes, but that is because many techniques are limited.
But take a look at Kyokushin Karate, my style of Karate.
Kenji Midori 5’5″ (about my height though I am slightly taller), and about 175 to 180 lbs, easily took down guys 6’5″ or taller.
And Kyokushin Karate is striking bare knuckle, full contact, no protective gear. As close to real brawling as you can get.
And he was multiple times world champion in tournaments with NO WEIGHT CLASSES and where you may fight SEVERAL TIMES A DAY and face tens/more than 100 competitors over the course of a few days.
Of course, he is an exception, but it shows that even when it comes to bare hand fighting, tall/big does not always win, ESPECIALLY in street fights where there are no rules and the smaller guy targeting limbs and joints and tendons makes it completely possible to kill a bigger, bulkier, taller, slower guy.
Not all big and tall people are slow, but they generally rely on brute force, so they do not take the time to develop technique or work as hard as smaller “disadvantaged” guys.
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I am not sure where you get the idea that East Asians are arrogant. Are you sure you are not misreading their face? Because many East Asians have the Asian poker face. People have said I look arrogant, even though my face is blank.
Most East Asians (guys) in fact suffer from inferiority complex because of the anti-East Asian male brainwashing and media.
Whereas East Asian girls in fact are arrogant and think they are the shit. Even the fugly ass ones.
I think you mean East Asian girls are arrogant.
They know full well that they are viewed as sluts and easy yellow cabs. But the thing is that most of these East Asian girls, ESPECIALLY the UGLY ONES which make up at least 70% of them, want to perpetuate this stereotype as it is advantageous to them, because they are actually ugly, but with these stereotypes, they might land a decent looking white guy.
We East Asian guys are well aware that the West hates us and wants to kill all of us.
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Also, you said you are Middle Eastern.
Most Middle Easterners look Caucasoid enough that you should have no problem in dating.
But I agree, if you are not the typical American/western white guy with certain looks, you don’t have many options, especially if your own women are disloyal (like for us East Asian guys).
But at the very least you Middle Easterners keep your women in line and they are almost always loyal to you.
Middle Eastern girls also have natural makeup and are more pretty than white bitches in my opinion.
So are many latinas.
So I don’t understand why you are angry/feel like you can’t get women when your Middle Eastern women are so loyal to you.
Almost all the Armenian, Arabian, and Iranian girls I have seen are hot as hell. Even the ones that Middle Easterners call “average” are hot.
What you’ve said looks a lot like: basically, girls are looking for the signs that a man …
can afford to live a wasteful lifestyle.
Because she’s planning on taking on some of that excess.
Of course, what these girls fail to understand,
is that a man with such options – has no need to be loyal to them.
I think most girls, past their first relationships, have instinctively absorbed how to view their bodies as bargaining chips.
This can be observed through the divorce statistics, meaning:
1. Women when young screw around with the hottest guys they can attract
2. Women when old demand the guys not the hottest, pay compensation for her past mistakes of (1), claiming “abuse by t3h patriarchy”.
3. Divorce – cash and prizes for the women.
Another reason why a woman your age, who has probably had more pricks than a cactus farmer, should be treated as just a fling and nothing more:
If she has no respect for you, by playing the slut previously and now demanding compensation for you …
You have no obligation to be her john for the good times when she was younger, that you never got a chance to be a part of.
P.S. If you “suddenly” find many women attracted to you,
check their:
1. Financial history
2. Whether they have kids out of wedlock
3. Bad boyfriend selection process
4. Mental problems
5. STDs
6. Biological clock expiry
7. Parents come from culture where women unmarried past a certain age is seen as shameful
8. She’s trying to do better in her NGO career, and can only do so with a “beard”
9. Desire for kids without a father
10. Wants a wedding because she wasn’t previously the centre of attention
(Notice in all those situations … you are merely “playing a role” and she doesn’t give a crap about your personality, only that you are a dick and balls that meets her standards … that she has no intention of being loyal, supportive or attractive to)
Ive had quite a few hot white girls hit on me (hot thin young etc)… but drawing the ire of the entire population of males wasn’t something I could do. To get with a woman, and have to isolate myself with her because the outright majority of people dont like the idea of a short asian guy with a taller white woman…
And, I dont think its media brainwashing at all… white women, generally, are the most attractive in the world. The media is just icing on the cake.
It’s funny how white women claim coloured women are oppressed …
but then themselves are oppressed by racist thinking and sometimes herp-derp relatives.
In the end, whether a woman finds you attractive, is not under your control.
As RooshV has said, love is merely:
1. mutual attraction
2. lack of other equally attractive options.
In this age where almost every average man is going to get married to a slut his own age,
it makes no sense to see a “normal”(same-age) relationship as anything other than a transaction. Get the best value for money … and remember that your girl, will tell you what is advantageous to HER.
As RooshV has said, love is merely:
1. mutual attraction
2. lack of other equally attractive options.
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Yes, I can see this.
Ah well… I dont have to figure it all out… just gonna go see a hooker if I have to for now.
This is why I have zero sympathy for women.
They deserve all the suffering they get under the “patriarchy” which actually only exists for/ist perpetrated by white males now, because most other ethnicities must “kowtow” to the white douchebag- “man”
As bitchy, conniving, and lying/cheating/stealing a majority of white guys are (with only a minority of decent white guys), girls in general are of course far worse and far more racist, precisely because they have no concept of loyalty and are essentially all sluts/gold diggers.
Which is why girls do what the media tells them to do and lust after the men promoted as “the best” in media-> WESTERN, HOLLYWOOD, WHITE SUPREMACIST MEDIA.
These bitches want to be able to fuck around with the most ‘genetically blessed men’ in their 20s, which basically means sleeping with the rich who have been getting richer by stealing, lying, cheating, and oppressing (95% of white guys and their imperialist ancestors accumulating wealth through theft, lying, murder, etc.)
and then these bitches think that after they have fucked around until 30-35+ years old that they can get a “beta male provider”.
Even though men who do not fit the anglo-caucasian mold are often actually alpha
and we are called “beta” because that is simply what girls and society calls those who do not fit into the stereotypically “attractive” white-male-tall category (or black-male-tall). But most women no matter what ethnicity aren’t took keen on marrying or even sleeping with a black dude, but of course this has changed because of MEDIA.
Lol, I enjoy telling old hag fucking 35+ year old bitches to get lost and stop eye-fucking me in the gym. I tell them that their fucking shelf-life is long past and I am going to make good money but not be some beta-provider for some sagging-tit, sagging-ass, fugly bitches.
No, hell no. I will be making money so I can fuck the youngest and prettiest girls because those girls need money. Like this blog suggested about sugar-daddying.
Since I am a good looking East Asian guy and will retain my looks and youth into my 40s and perhaps even 50s, I will have no problem getting with younger girls.
So, white guys can suck on that like the bitches they are.
East Asian men are like elves. We mature more slowly (like I only started growing a full beard/goatee just last year at age 21), and we age more slowly, and we rarely lose our hair.
Whites simply mature much more quickly and age like utter shit.
Blacks also age very well and in fact I think Blacks to a certain extent sometimes age better than East Asians.
And we East Asian men can still pack on muscle/have great endurance without abusing steroids like most white guys do, can be very very talented athletically and as fighters if/when we focus our minds on the task rather than being bookworm shu- dai- zhi* s
In a sugardaddy relationship I mentioned above, I would hold all power as well as all power to cut all ties at a moments notice.
Basically women want to have the cake and eat it as well. And the sad thing is that many sad, lonely fucks, often times loser white guys or super-beta East Asian or Indian guys fall for these bitches’ tricks and actually are stupid enough to marry them in their 30s.
Lol fuck that shit.
THE ONLY WOMEN MEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MARRY ARE VIRGINS
AND SLUTS SHOULD BE FORCED INTO PROSTITUTION..
And I would say men must ALSO stay virgins until marriage, but I have an extreme view, because to me, men fucking around also dirties the pool of women and fucks with the fabric of society.
In this life I have already given up on marriage because I know that 99% of women are fucking slutwhores. Even the ugly ones.
And while I am a very loyal person and would be very loyal to the girl I love, these bitches have shown their true nature. So I refuse to be a beta male provider for these bitches.
And I am not beta anyways. I am not afraid to fight/be up in the face of the “alpha” and I hate pack mentality anyways. Loner hardcore right here and misanthropist.
It’s not misanthropy … if you’re dealing with people who see you as subhuman.
Reminds me of what “Gregory Onions” said:
Females have no reason to date scrawny short guys when there are handsome tall masculine hunks around who have a massive social group. The real issue comes from the fact the short guy can not up his height, neither can he get a large build for certain reasons (narrow shoulder bones, small joints etc). Because of his looks most women think he has bad genes (which he does) and will not mate with him/sex. Many guys look at him like he’s fresh meat to beat the shit out of if he doesn’t submit to their dominance. Already this alone killed his social circle forcing him to be a loner. He tries to dress better, speak better, works out, may even be a martial artist, but it’s no good in the end. Society he realized just won’t accept his existence as an authoritative Alpha male/natural leader.
Women start to become devil whores in his eyes, creatures who lust after tall masculine alphas caring not for anything else. Other men in his eyes are mere tools being used by society and women. Those tools of men keep him down, he knows that men and women are his enemy now.
Devil whores and masculine Tools run our society. Guys who don’t rank up can’t always up their game as they wish. So those men see the cold sad truth of our society. It’s that everybody is the enemy. In the end everybody wants to hurt you, change you, force their beliefs on you and crush you for being physically different and not the masculine ideal; tall, hunky and DOM featured.
Women, those devil whores, look at low ranked men as if they are maggots. Damned devil whores care NOT for your existence nor you suffering. No, women are hypergamous creatures meant to torture those males who can’t keep up to standards of male beauty and masculinity. But it’s ok, society forgot you. That short, skinny nobody of a male no longer has to protect women from abuse or rape. He no longer has to care for their existence on earth. He should give up trying to fit in, get on welfare and enjoy hobbies and hookers. There is joy to be had in women’s suffering…
Also have a look at this: http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/is-marcos-evil-for-conning-women-looking-to-trade-sex-for-financial-security/
Seems perfectly reasonable to cheat a conwoman.
Problem is whats in between the shades of grey. Im a short asian guy whos had interest from good looking high tier women as Ive said. But men still treat me like shit. Sure I can hate women as a group, but what of high-tier women who chased me? Who actually chose me over a tall DOM guy. But she has easy access to groups which would like that I dont exist. How am I to forgive and try to fit into such groups? Plus the added stress of some male from such groups trying to humiliate me because Im dating “out of my league”. Also the stares and looks from random people who dont like the idea of a short asian guy with a good looking white girl. Its actually very complicated.
Until women can get it into their head that a partner is worth fighting for, they deserve pump and dump along with MGTOW.
I’ve always found it weird that only the guy is required to stick up when a girl get harassed, it strikes me as a much more entertaining night if the woman can think strategically and coordinate with the guy to make the encounter go smoothly.
Except I have mesomorph bodybuilder build and the build is good for martial arts and wrestling.
I have very very wide shoulders and large chest and a general v shape, and i lift the same weights as 6’+ 200 lb guys.
I actually get respect or at the very least they do not disrespect me outright, from most guys despite short height at 5’6″ because I am confident and don’t take shit from people.
A lot of people say I seem a bit arrogant and intimidating, even though I don’t think I am intimidating. It may be asian poker face.
If I were born 100+ years ago I would do very well in the shinsengumi.
My only issue is that I am not tall enough.
But still, women are whores.
Actually I noticed that it is generally the mature guys or the skinny to mildly athletic guys who respect me.
Skinhead types or college frat types of course disrespect E Asian guys no matter what.
That is until I look at them with the death eye and they all stop grinning stupidly and look scared.
Guys who can out-lift me don’t treat me like shit, but it is more like mutual apathy.
I am pretty jacked, so that may be the intimidation factor and luckily I can put on muscle fairly easily and have the v-shaped, wide shoulder build.
But of course to most girls, I am unattractive.
Only to fatties or 30+ year olds and certain mentally fucked girls.
I am pretty sure that it is a combo of media brainwashing and the social stigma against dating East Asian guys.
It doesn’t help that I resemble Will Yun Lee and also resemble him in facial expressions/manners, who always plays/is pigeonholed into playing the bad guy.
BTW have you guys been hit on disproportionately by black girls when you were on the East Coast if you have ever been?
Damn they seemed obsessed with me.
One latina/black girl
and a few African American
and one straight from Africa.
But I am too brainwashed by both white and Asian beauty standards to really find them attractive.
I also want to revenge fuck white girls to give white guys the middle finger.
Problem is most decent girls always seem to have boyfriends already, like they will mention their boyfriend when in random conversations in a group setting.
Or maybe they are faking it?
Women mentioning “I have a boyfriend”?
See this clip. Funneh.
Will Yun Lee and also resemble him in facial expressions/manners, who always plays/is pigeonholed into playing the bad guy.
He was pretty cool in the Bionic Woman series!
The problem is right now in the Asian guy getting ahead stakes, for the most widely recognised you only have Glenn Rhee on “The Walking Dead”.
Until the 19th century, there was a strong correlation between social status and number of children raised to adulthood.
Top Comment:
THOSE ASIANS ARE ANGRY AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM
NIGGERS ARE FUCKING ALL THE WHITE GIRLS
WHITE DUDES ARE FUCKING FUCKING ALL THE ASIAN GIRLS
AND THE ASIAN DUDES ARE MASTURBATING
I WOULD BE PISSED OFF TO IF I WAS AN ASIAN WITH A SMALL COCK THAT GETS NO PUSSY
SOLUTION: ASIANS GUYS SHOULD FUCK THE BLACK GIRLS!
SOLUTION: ASIANS GUYS SHOULD FUCK THE BLACK GIRLS!
Do most of them look like either:
Alicia Tease
or
Gabourey Sidibe?
There’s your answer.
Before the “FUCK”-ing can begin, the Boner Test must be passed.
Except we don’t have small dicks. You sound like a white phaggot with a limp dick. U mad that whites need viagra the most and the government subsidizes viagra for whites? And yes,. many whites below the age of 30 need it due to erectile dysfunction.
Fact is that the small Asian dick myth and Hollywood perpetuating negative portrayals of East Asian men was done on purpose because whites got their asses handed to them in Vietnam and Korea when fighting Asian men with inferior technology. Whites still got their asses kicked. WHites know that with equal technology and a unified East Asia, they would be fucked to Pluto and back. This is why whites must rely on media warfare to try to destroy the reputation of Asian men and this is also why whites must rely on chemical/biological/nuclear/environmental warfare against East Asia such as the Tsunami bomb or pushing cigarettes (the same way whites pushed Opium into East Asia) or setting up their companies that disregard environmental regulations by bribing desperate/traitor Chinese or East Asian middle men.
That’s why they get the Asian women to rag on Asian men.
Coincidentally, Asian women are the demographic with the highest rates of mental illness and STDs (everywhere).
Oops, I guess living a schizophrenic life and playing “me love you long time” …
has its costs.
This is fucking spot-on.
Normal women don’t want to date “bad boys”. They don’t want to be raped, dominated, or humiliated, as much as the feminist-haters and misogynists might claim otherwise. Normal women also don’t want to date beta bitches who work 70-hour weeks for The Man and then complain about women not liking “nice guys”.
Frat boys are unattractive and obnoxious, criminals appeal only to the broken women, and smooth-talking prettyboys don’t even look like men. So their sexual appeal is low, despite this claim by “incels” that they’re taking “all” the women. But the appeal of the people-pleasing self-enslaving proto-corporate male is a flat-out zero.
The problem, in our society, is that we’ve conflated being decent (which men should) and respecting others’ rights (ditto) with *not* transgressing. The “nice guys” aren’t getting passed over in favor of “alpha jerks” because women want to date jerks, but because they’ve let society turn them servile. Good looks and money don’t wash away the loser stink of that.
Normal women don’t want to date “bad boys”. They don’t want to be raped, dominated, or humiliated, as much as the feminist-haters and misogynists might claim otherwise.
Challenge accepted!
What women mean when they are campaigning against rape:
(thanks to redpillcomics.blogspot.com)
Also:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19085605
This study evaluated the rape fantasies of female undergraduates (N = 355) using a fantasy checklist that reflected the legal definition of rape and a sexual fantasy log that included systematic prompts and self-ratings.
Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy, which is somewhat higher than previous estimates
and
05-02-2014, 11:43 AM
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If u have not yet realised women are extremely primitive, there is no hope for you.
How about this one, eh?
Over 90% of female rape victims experience orgasm during the attack
Quote:
BOSTON – A new study to be published in next month’s Journal of Clinical Psychiatry is causing controversy in the psychiatric community for some of its unexpected findings. The study, titled “Shame and Guilt in the Aftermath of Sexual Attack”, verifies much of what we know about the mental health of rape victims. However, one observation in particular is raising eyebrows. After analyzing the anonymous transcripts of over 5,000 post-rape counseling sessions, the authors point out that almost all female rape victims experience orgasm during the attack.
Asked for comment, Dr. Herschel Liebowitz, one of the authors of the study, said, “Millions of years of evolution has hard-wired women to be attracted to strong, dominant, and aggressive men. Unfortunately, rapists exhibit an extreme form of these characteristics, even if only temporarily, and this causes an unexpected and involuntary physiological response in the victim.”
Researchers focused on the psychiatric impact of this involuntary response. “Rape victims in general tend to experience an overwhelming sense of shame and guilt”, noted Dr. Liebowitz. “This study finds that the guilt is not a result of the attack necessarily, but rather her own response to the attack. Intellectually, she is disgusted at being violated by an anonymous attacker. But physically, her body seems to have welcomed the attack in the form of sexual climax or orgasm. We believe this contradiction in feelings is the primary source of their shame and guilt.”
So here you have thousands of “sexual experts” who try to help women in couples achieve orgasm with their beta husband, years after years with different tricks and techniques without suceeding.
.. Then when bitches gets raped, 90% (!!!!!!!) gets an orgasm?!
LOL @ WOMEN,
LOL @ THIS FUCKING SOCIETY,
EVERYTHING IS A FUCKING SCAM LOL
Remember, Chad Thundercock does nothing wrong!
Women seem to agree too!
You misunderstand the complexity of these results and their meaning. It’s like saying that an addiction to drugs and eliciting a high that is obviously destroying the host is healthy or wanted. It’s just an indication of mindless regressive instincts from back in the day. The disgust and repulsion is not just from the lack of consent but a recognition of degenerate genes that they do not want to pass on. Rapists are never good gene material as it’s a manifestation of undeveloped reptilian characteristics. My stepfather was a pedophile who was also a southern baptist minister. He was a con-artist, stupid, poor impulse control, both parasitic/predatorial and overall a knuckle-dragger. He made up for this in deception/deceit, overt aggression, and hypocrisy. Essentially, either due to laziness/sloth and lack of developed real skills which take genuine effort, he lived by lies, low-brow behavior behind closed doors and smoke and
mirrors in public. These types of people do not add anything of value to society but pull it down. They are malignant.
Your words don’t have any weight unless in real life you choose to reward a good man, and not associate with, fantasise about or have sex with the bad.
My stepfather was a pedophile who was also a southern baptist minister. He was a con-artist, stupid, poor impulse control, both parasitic/predatorial and overall a knuckle-dragger. He made up for this in deception/deceit, overt aggression, and hypocrisy. Essentially, either due to laziness/sloth and lack of developed real skills which take genuine effort, he lived by lies, low-brow behavior behind closed doors and smoke and
mirrors in public. These types of people do not add anything of value to society but pull it down. They are malignant.
And yet your mother saw value in him. Other women breed with those types of men.
If you dare to tell other men about “be a good man”, be sure to reward them. Or get ready to attend their funeral because they were killed at the hands of children from the union of a (criminal or criminally-minded) woman and man.
P.S. Looking for the guy at the finish line just so you have the legal right to get half if the relationship fails … is the very definition of robbery, which is a crime
It takes a university to prove what men know with their brain and 2 eyes:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3557688/Women-really-love-bad-boys-Females-likely-lust-people-criminal-records-males-study-finds.html
Women really do love bad boys: Females are more likely to lust after people with criminal records than males, study finds
Research from the University of Montreal on prison workers falling for inmates found it affects more female staff than male, and rarely has a happy ending (stock image).
Sometimes people are delude themselves, like you, for instance. how you assume you are one of the ‘good’men. when from your replies, i doubt that. just because someone is less attractive, doesn’t give them real license to assume more attractive people are somehow less in character because it simply is not true.
the fact of the matter is that the majority of the population are barely a step-up from a chimp. the average iq is actually pretty damn stupid so if you are worried about the pool of women who are the type who would fall for inmates or any loser that beats his chest, then that says more about you and your standards and tastes.
i don’t reward bad men and that’s a loaded and general typecast anyways. i don’t find inmates, criminals, drug dealers etc attractive so don’t lump everyone into the same category.
What women mean when they are campaigning against rape:
(thanks to redpillcomics.blogspot.com)
(It’s a good thing I actually keep an archive of these images, they are useful to point out how women actually make their relationship choices)
If women were such good judges of character, we wouldn’t need so many domestic violence shelters, they could just use their intuition.
And if women choose men on their personality, there would be a 50-50 split between men having sex and men not having sex. It’s actually top 10% men vs. 90% ignored or settled for.
Many women are liars, but especially when it comes to men asking them to their face about how they choose their relationships.
Watch what women do, not what they say.
Another alternative example about why women prefer bad boys is so that they can have a Halloween makeover from Chad Thundercock in a trice, and for FREE.
Like this lady here:
Article:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801675/Leeds-mother-beaten-death-Wayne-Hoban.html
“Shocking images show mother’s bloodied face after she was ‘almost beaten to death’ by her ‘monster’ ex-partner when she refused to have sex”
Heh heh, now I understand why Chads rarely complain about getting blue balls
this is a prime example. i don’t consider either one of them attractive but they obviously were to each-other. everyone’s tastes, ideals, and values differ. i also see there are plenty of different types of people that exist in all ranges of attractiveness and there is no majority of just ‘attractive’ (subjective) people who have relationships or offspring. total bullshit fallacy and quite the contrary. most long-term relationships are past the point of the initial infatuation stage. it may not last but many couples only last because they force the situation because of children, money, convenience or get comfortable. people make different types of compromises based upon their values and what they want as well as what they are willing to live with as well as put up with. some people are just co-dependent when it’s better to be single. but these are all individual choices. again, that differs depending on the individual. even the people you find unattractive exists people that will find them attractive. the proof is in the fact i see couples all the time and their offspring and most of them are not attractive. uh, it’s always been that way. if you are having a hard time is because one must be misreading people and barking up the wrong tree.
for instance, i never strike out because i ‘read’ people for cues/signs of compatibility. that is what many do not do and just objectify people based on superficial or objective criteria without considering who they really are and how they may or may not be compatible with you. it’s not as simple as ‘oh, that person is hot to me’. of course you will most likely strike out.
honestly, men make this mistake much more often due to a tendency to view women as objects and have a sense of blind entitlement from a patriarchal lineage. many don’t even consider their level of attractiveness or ‘type’ in comparison to their target, which is also
really stupid. i have witnessed men who are way less attractive hit on those who are not only way more attractive but also with quite a significant age difference, just because of their ego. it’s rather perverted and disgusting. people give signs and cues if you read them just by virtue of who they are.
if girl is covered in tattoos and wearing a cap backwards, do you think a preppy dude will be her type? most likely not. some men are dumb enough to overlook these signs and just focus strictly on the physical: hot or not.
if a guy is a redneck and into country music, do you think a girl who is into r&b, hip-hop and rap is going to be into him?
well, this is the stupid moronic shit i have witnessed that men absolutely lie and delude themselves that they can overlook and trample over compatibility just because they want someone who is young or looks attractive.
these are more obvious examples but the point is they deserve the rejection they get.
what i mean by objective criteria is as simple as ‘me man, you woman’ caveman style. literally, there are many lesser men who have absolutely no brains, sense, or understanding and will hit on anyone just based on the fact the target is single and female. only the most dumb would get with such males and guess what? there are women who are just like them. so there is no excuse you can’t find someone. the most depraved, ugly, dumb as rocks can find people who are into them, then so can anyone else if they learn what is appropriate for you. otherwise, you can just do hookups (sex sites) or hookers.
Women only consider the top 20% of men hot, and are only with the other 80% as “economically motivated relationships”.
You’re probably looking for a long term relationship, but can’t get a guy interested in you (without shedding your princess complex), so you complain that men need to step up.
What happened to women being equal to men? Ask a guy out, unless you intend to repeat your non-success.
i think there is some aspects that are not considered here. First, there are different types and even gradients of women within the same category. Some women are attracted to the lowest scum possible because they are similar and I have witnessed many examples of such (peas in a pod, birds of a feather flock together etc). But, just as well, women can feel disgust and contempt for rebellious/bad boy types if they are ugly, stupid, unethical/scum etc.
Heh, I mean there are plenty of homeless men who are rebels but most women aren’t attracted to them, no matter how brash or ‘beat the chest’ ape-like they may be. Women that are more intelligent do not desire an alpha male with absolutely no sense of sophistication of discernment. That’s another thing, women who desire a alpha male in the primitive sense as one attribute as in assertiveness, strength, integrity etc does not mean that they may view overt or inappropriate aggression/rudeness, or lack of integrity as attractive.
I mean rapists and pedophiles take what they want but most women do not find them attractive but repulsive? why? because underneath that extreme ‘force’ is indicative of real cowardice, desperation, and lack of skill/game, thus resorting to the lowest form of action. only the scummy or dumb women can’t discern that or attracted to such males so they breed a mixture of primordial as well as dumb males which are a worse option than a nerd with better character. See? This will all vary on a sliding scale dependent on the individual character of the woman/female in question.
So it is not just about one aspect that is the sole criteria of attraction, even alpha male or bad boy inclinations or nature. Women tend to not feel attracted (totally generalizing here) to males they could feel is their brother or too passive but they also will not be attracted to someone who is obviously an idiot if their rebellious nature is dysfunctional or makes them a loser. That is why a woman who is of worth herself will prefer a decent, educated and ethical man over a scum who is even more weak by being controlled by base urges/instinct or nature, rather than their mind.
What you are really illustrating is the polarity of extreme passivity vs extreme aggression and i think they have more in common than meets the eye as they are both indications of internal weakness, just outwardly manifested differently. Neither a sycophant or a bully is attractive. Again, except to those that are like-wise.
Women want a ‘successful’ bad boy not any loser who prides themselves on being a rebel because he is too stupid to do anything else. there are plenty of bad boy types who are blue collar idiots and they attract similar blue collar type women who are idiots where their conversations reflect such. What the hell is attractive about that? nothing.
Women want a ‘successful’ bad boy not any loser who prides themselves on being a rebel because he is too stupid to do anything else. there are plenty of bad boy types who are blue collar idiots and they attract similar blue collar type women who are idiots where their conversations reflect such. What the hell is attractive about that? nothing.
Well, the problem is those idiots are reproducing and people of integrity are not,
probably because those women got themselves an “economically motivated relationship”.
Women have a long checklist for a guy, when he “is the guy they can GET, but are NOT attracted to”.
Because, she wants compensation for being with “the guy they can GET, but are NOT attracted to”.
Of course, women will deny this all day long, but look at the percentage of marriages that end up in divorce, with women initiating 70% of them. That means, they’re either too stupid to pick the right guy, or are lying when they say they are attracted to men of good character.
So, which is it? Stupid or liar?
what i think is you don’t consider the individual. i don’t see the stereotypes you assume except among the below-average to average tier (even include college graduates in low-level majors) because they are generally just more animalistic or primitive and people like that generally are not as good providers as those who are more intelliten. if that is what you want to focus on, then that is the bed you choose to make as well. what this means is are just as motivated by base urges and that is why you focus on wanting attention from such women you criticize as wanting ‘bad’ men. instead, could be focused on the good women YOU may be ignoring, so it’s a two way street.
bottomline and the real truth is, compatiblity is rare no matter what. i think you are rather unrealistic and assume some type of entitlement to a romantic relationship. even extremely attractive people sometimes eschew relationships because they do not want the hassle of dealing with another person. be careful what you wish for because you may get the person you think you want and find out relationships are difficult, the person is not what you really appropriate, incompatible or worthwhile anyways.
what this means is are just as motivated by base urges and that is why you focus on wanting attention from such women you criticize as wanting ‘bad’ men. instead, could be focused on the good women YOU may be ignoring, so it’s a two way street.
Your sad but entirely predictable (and adds no value to the conversation) statement that “you must be ignoring the not-hot girls” … is stupid because it’s quite empirical that at the start, all women prefer Chad Thundercock AND will rebuke or not reciprocate the attentions of the normal guy, until she meets with the circumstances of financial ruin, STDs, addiction, violence or pregnancy.
I’ll leave you with what someone else says:
AlekNovy posted this response:
Let me answer the “guys only chase hot babes, and ignore the average/uggo women” point you brought up…
You are correct that many of the bitter men around the net are average guys who went around only hitting on the hottest women, ignored the average ones, and then went to complain no women like them.
It is true that when a guy complains that no women like him, it’s because he has experienced tons of rejections. However, the main reason he’s bitter is because NO WOMEN HAVE EVER SHOWN HIM INTEREST. That’s the point. EVER, in his entire life!
Your point that there’s a ton of average women who WOULD be interested if he asked them out, is irrelevant, because these lazy women are PROACTIVELY HIDING their interest. I don’t count subtle signals as hair flicks, accidental bumps and subtle hinting as “clamoring for his attention”, because that shit is only visible to women. On the actual surface-level, obvious communication level, these womeen PROACTIVELY DO HIDE their interest and act cool, uninterested and indifferent.
THEIR THEORETICAL INTEREST is IRRELEVANT when they don’t show it in CLEAR UNAMBIGIOUS ways, and when they proactively hide interest and play games. Women FORCE this SADISTIC ritual onto men where the man is forced to gather massive amounts of rejection before he gets a woman who finally admits interest back.
All of this could end TOMMOROW if women stopped playing the plausible deniability, interest-hiding game.
Basically, there is a MASSIVE thing you’re not seeing here…
You say the average guys were not hitting on the average women… BUT WHAT YOU ARE MISSING IS THAT… Those average women were ALSO not hitting on those average guys either! In other words, those average women were sitting around with an ENTITLED attitude of FEMALE PRIVILEGE, sitting around going “Guys need to approach me, kiss me first, ask me out first etc, show first clear sign of interest etc”.
See, the thing is. Being male is this massive pool of doing all the work, taking tons of rejections and seeing little gratitude for it. That changes little depending on whom you are pursuing.
– If an average guy goes out and hits on a 100 hotties, 97 will reject him.
– If an average guy goes out and hits on a 100 average women, 94 will reject him.
DO YOU SEE? While it is true that He’d have DOUBLE the success if he went for average women (3 women vs 6 women), the big picture is both involve tons of pain, tons of unreciprocicated effort etc (97 rejections vs 94 rejections).
The main issue is women’s laziness and passivity and plausible deniability. Those 6 average women will not hit on him, ask him out, etc etc. They are just as lazy as entitled as the 3 hot ones. Make sense?
If average women were less lazy, your point would hold more value, but as it stands, with women’s laziness, there’s little incentive for men to go for entitled average women.
The REASON these men are bitter is NOT because they shot out of their league. The reason they’re bitter is that they’re SICK of the system women have created and upkeep, a system that forces men to endure pain, humiliation, rejection and have to do all the work.
Don’t forget that when you are older, your options will dry out, and you’ll still have to rely on a man. Better hope you haven’t pissed the good ones off.
Women exploit men who can’t satisfy their sexual desires.
This is also another reason why women hate prostitution, lad magazines, pornography, anime and sexy female singers.
They want all the attention and money of men to go to them … of course, with very little return done by the women, viz. Briffault’s Law.
Superb. Woman decides to be with (and have a child with) a volatile, moody, substance-abusing man she finds attractive.
Of course, she tells others he’s the greatest guy she’s met. Everyone else calls them a loving couple, an ideal pair
Then she decides not to give him sex.
Predictably he shoots the child dead. Should’a thought about consequences before you said no, lady.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6164153/Father-shoots-dead-baby-wife-refused-sex-him.html
Father ‘shoots dead his six-month-old baby after wife refused to have sex with him’
Maycon Salustiano Silva, 25, is charged with killing his infant son Michel
Police say he argued with his wife at home in Luziania, Brazil, on Wednesday
They believe Silva shot the infant at point blank range ‘in a moment of rage’
He claims he drank and smoked marijuana and doesn’t remember the incident
By JANET TAPPIN COELHO IN BRAZIL FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 16:04 BST, 13 September 2018 | UPDATED: 19:25 BST, 13 September 2018
The other reason many women prefer “bad boys” over “good boys” has to do with:
1. future-time orientation (busted when Chad turns up)
2. halo effect (busted when Chad turns up)
3. current legal system (that favours the woman).
In her regular interactions she catastrophises interactions with the regular/ugly guy
e.g. he was a creep, we have nothing in common, his culture is misogynist, what would my friends say
BUT
idealises interactions with the bad boy
e.g. he is just looking for more friends, we can find common ground, only bad women are punished in his culture, my friends would criticise me for letting this one go
Which leads us to the amusing situation above. It was inevitable, but she chose not to see that side of him, because … “her first choice was always going to get a second chance” …
One of the reasons why women are hypergamous, is to escape their self-understood inferiority.
E.g. a fat woman wants a tall, strong guy so that her flaws are overlooked “because she got a man in high demand”.
The other fun thing is: women influence the genetics of their sons, men influence the genetics of their daughters. Since the common pairing is short woman tall man (since women don’t believe in real equality) … understand that short women produce short sons, tall men produce tall daughters
Never forget that attitude of women (to need an outstanding guy to cover for her obvious shortcomings), but also never forget the comedy: women contribute 50% of the genes … in a funny sense, they’re responsible for creating incels, as this picture shows:
If you have (or can rent) status objects that also opens up a world of opportunities,
e.g. a shop (you can screen for pretty girls in a bad economy), a boat (you decide who gets on it to become an insta-thot), a restaurant (ditto) …
If she gets something from you, you get something from her.
Ass/Cash/Gash for gas, nobody rides for free.
A good reminder: Never pursue women unless you own a business.
Especially the older “will never get taken advantage of” / “bitter hag” types.
Women in their 20s and 30s will be like this.
Heed the section of “Pooning on a budget”.
Or your life will end up like this:
But remember: a friend request “violates their privacy” and “makes them feel afraid”.
But you can request their nudes at “onlyfans”. Seeing the pussy makes them empowered.
In one picture:
https://ibb.co/hcjQnCY