Question Ryzen hidden Offset Voltage 0.05V Problem in BIOS & CPU & DRAM & SoC

[JapanMan]

Ryzen Offset Voltage 0.05V Problem in BIOS & CPU & DRAM & SoC

(Requist : from Japan)
In BIOS of Ryzen.
Because the Offset voltage is being established 0.05 V without agreement,
I want BIOS to change Offset to 0.025V, not 0.05V.
I want you to change Offset to 0.025V, not 0.05V
Vcore Offset of Ryzen Ｘ numbler model is being established 0.10V without agreement.
Don't you stop to set Offset of 0.05V as 3 kinds of CPU, DRAM and SoC ?!!


" Decisive evidence "
DDR4 2666 CL16 1.21V
Micron A die 28nm (2015)

You must be able to use its voltage by DDR4 DRAM of 19nm and 22nm.
It's abnormal that it can't be used.
It's hidden, and the reason Offset voltage has been established.

Vcore and SoC
It has been specified by a report of the voltage.
Though it's so, the numerical value higher than its voltage can't be set and used.

When it's in case of Ryzen 1500X 3.5GHz.
1.1875V isn't put depending on a set any more in BIOS (20 ℃).
That's evidence for Offset 0.10V.

Thanks for reading!


A motherboard manufacturer is that I had everything my own way.
That won't be excuse.
The pressure of Intel is unrelated.
The voltage of the DRAM is that I have no relation in AMD and Intel.
It's a regulation violation that interference has even acted in DRAM.

Don' use this setting
Ryzen 1000 : Vcore 1.20V 3.5GHz 、 DRAM 1.25V 、 SoC 1.00V
Ryzen 2000 : Vcore 1.15V 3.8GHz , DRAM 1.25V , SoC 1.00V
Ryzen 3000 : Vcore 1.15V 3.8GHz , DRAM 1.25V , SoC 1.00V
Ryzen 4000 : Vcore 1.15V 3.8GHz , DRAM 1.25V . ScC 1.00V

Should use this setting
Ryzen 1000 : Vcore 1.25V 3.5GHz DRAM 1.30V DDR4 2933 SoC 1.05V
Ryzen 2000 : Vcore 1.20V 3.8GHz DRAM 1.30V DDR4 2933 SoC 1.05V
Ryzen 3000 : Vcore 1.20V 3.8GHz SoC 1.05V
Ryzen 4000 : Vcore 1.20V 3.8GHz SoC 1.05V

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Hey! You don't know the meaning of Offset.
When I did BIOS establishment by Vcore 1.10V.
If Offset is 0.10V, Vcore will be 1.00V.

In case of Ryzen 1700
It's 0.95V by 3.0GHz.
If it's 3.5GHz, it's 1.10V.

It has been just made 1.1875V by 1500X.
It was boot impossibility.
Strange
It isn't possible.

Now that the impossible thing had occurred.
Even Vdroop is unrelated.

Vdroop which occurs by 3.5GHz is less than 0.05 V.
And it isn't possible to make up the part which decreased in Vdroop in Offset.
Vdroop can deal only in LLC.


When I was writing a lie, you can point out that it's false.
You're noticing the thing with the strange voltage of Ryzen.
The voltage of the DRAM is also noticing a strange thing.

When I'd like to examine whether it's really false.
3.6GHz 1.00V should be established by Ryzen 2700X.
3.6Gh 1,00V should be installed by Ryzen 3700X.

It's your kitchen to do that.
I run out of the voltage 0.10 V, so use a motherboard of dual BIOS.


You aren't being tried.

I'm telling to make the claim AMD and Intel & motherboard manufacturer.

The national person who isn't an English area.
Please understand abnormality of the fact which comes to the forum in an English area to write notes.

They even are the critical contents in its level.

We assume the pressure of Intel, and this is done badly.

 

[EndEffeKt_24]

I am sorry, but this post is absolutely chaotic and I dont get it.
Might be me, but if you could try to make a clear point of what you want to ask or what you want to say, that would be helpful.
At the moment I can just take away that you are kind of unsatisfied with the options for Vcore offset?

 

[JapanMan]

I am sorry, but this post is absolutely chaotic and I dont get it.
Might be me, but if you could try to make a clear point of what you want to ask or what you want to say, that would be helpful.
At the moment I can just take away that you are kind of unsatisfied with the options for Vcore offset?

You understand that these contents aren't false.

When it is, you should make the claim a motherboard manufacturer to AMD and Intel.

" Example "
Hey! The Offset voltage is set as 0.05V compulsorily.
If it's only Vcore, it can still be permitted, but Offset of 0,05V is set as DRAM to SoC.
The report matched.
Please calm down unnecessary this year.
Don't you hang Vcore and Offset of DRAM and SoC on 0.025V?

 

[kanewolf]

What benefit do you believe that reposting a thread, that is difficult to read because of poor formatting, here provides?
Maybe if you took the information and CREATED a post rather than just reposting a dialog, you might get your information communicated.

 

[JapanMan]

What benefit do you believe that reposting a thread, that is difficult to read because of poor formatting, here provides?
Maybe if you took the information and CREATED a post rather than just reposting a dialog, you might get your information communicated.

Contribution of the identical contents is prohibited.
The answer function to ask the part which isn't understood again.

 

[JapanMan]

What benefit do you believe that reposting a thread, that is difficult to read because of poor formatting, here provides?
Maybe if you took the information and CREATED a post rather than just reposting a dialog, you might get your information communicated.

You understand that these contents aren't false.
When it is, you should make the claim a motherboard manufacturer to AMD and Intel.

" Example "
Hey! The Offset voltage is set as 0.05V compulsorily.
If it's only Vcore, it can still be permitted, but Offset of 0,05V is set as DRAM to SoC.
The report matched.
Please calm down unnecessary this year.
Don't you hang Vcore and Offset of DRAM and SoC on 0.025V?

 

[kanewolf]

You understand that these contents aren't false.
When it is, you should make the claim a motherboard manufacturer to AMD and Intel.

" Example "
Hey! The Offset voltage is set as 0.05V compulsorily.
If it's only Vcore, it can still be permitted, but Offset of 0,05V is set as DRAM to SoC.
The report matched.
Please calm down unnecessary this year.
Don't you hang Vcore and Offset of DRAM and SoC on 0.025V?

It doesn't matter if you believe they are true or not. I am just saying that you aren't COMMUNICATING to users.
I did not claim they were true or false. BUT just repeating "You understand that these contents aren't false" is NOT going to gain you any readers of this thread.

 

[henterpriser]

Hello as a normal reader i came here to see that if I can help you or not.
But what i saw was some sort of poorly written sentences without any point.
No! i didn't came to blame/attack you. just to tell you this isn't the way to write the posts
just look at these sentences i quoted to your post

(Requist : from Japan)

I think you are using a poor translator. first of all ensure that you are writing in a Correct universal language

I want you to change Offset to 0.025V, not 0.05V

who are you talking about? we?

It's your kitchen to do that.

Probably some sort of translation fail

I'm telling to make the claim AMD and Intel & motherboard manufacturer.

So at this point i finally got why you made this long story.(i think so)
You are telling that the AMD uses hidden voltages in their CPU and you want them to take responsibility?

Then why are you posting this in TomsHardware? there are not anybody of the AMD team here to response you officially.
try to post the AMD directly.

Good Luck

 

[JapanMan]

Hello as a normal reader i came here to see that if I can help you or not.
But what i saw was some sort of poorly written sentences without any point.
No! i didn't came to blame/attack you. just to tell you this isn't the way to write the posts
just look at these sentences i quoted to your post


I think you are using a poor translator. first of all ensure that you are writing in a Correct universal language


who are you talking about? we?


Probably some sort of translation fail


So at this point i finally got why you made this long story.(i think so)
You are telling that the AMD uses hidden voltages in their CPU and you want them to take responsibility?

Then why are you posting this in TomsHardware? there are not anybody of the AMD team here to response you officially.
try to post the AMD directly.

Good Luck

It isn't Good luck.

If they're the contents which should be reported to AMD, you're saying so.
Am not I requesting a motherboard manufacturer AMD and Intel and do I think really?

It's after it was done.
An example is being written in order to send the claim easily.

 

[JapanMan]

It doesn't matter if you believe they are true or not. I am just saying that you aren't COMMUNICATING to users.
I did not claim they were true or false. BUT just repeating "You understand that these contents aren't false" is NOT going to gain you any readers of this thread.

You're just insisting on difficulty in reading the contents.
The contents were difficult to read, but though the contents could be understood, a point in dispute shifts to the answer which calls communication the other users when it isn't off.

Offset 0.05V Problem
The contents related to all the members using Ryzen in AMD.
Unless a consumer puts the claim in, no enterprises do.
And because AMD is the side where you're making a motherboard, it's impossible that the motherboard manufacturer side makes them do being in trouble.

I said so that it was the " pressure of Intel ".

 

[drea.drechsler]

I think it's hopeless trying to help him... I mean, if his translator is producing this kind of unreadable chaos from his writing (of which he must be totally unaware), what must he be reading when it bungles the translation of our posts?

 

[EndEffeKt_24]

I think it's hopeless trying to help him... I mean, if his translator is producing this kind of unreadable chaos from his writing (of which he must be totally unaware), what must he be reading when it bungles the translation of our posts?

Words of true wisdom. Is there a japanese version of toms hardware?

 

[JapanMan]

" Report"

BIOS of Ryzen 2000 was used by Ryzen 1500X. BIOS of 2019 year-Q1 was used.

The worst thing has occurred.

You aren't supposed to use BIOS after Ryzen 2000 that and Ryzen 3000 in Ryzen 1000.
When it's BIOS update, the following contents occur. It occurs by 150%.


1 The voltage is improper for Ryzen 1500X. The low voltage for Ryzen 2000 is established.
2 Therefore when it's being used by P2 State-1.5GHz, an X model of Ryzen 1000 freezes by 500%.

3 When when freezing, the motherboard made BIOS of Ryzen 2000 is restrictive, and an X model, I try to ignore voltage setting and restart it by more than 3.8 GHz.
It's more than 3.8 GHz to invalidate PBO unrelatedly, and it restarts.

An X model of 4.Ryzen 1500X&Ryzen is the voltage of Vcore of 1.45V in AUTO because the Offset voltage was established 0.10 V compulsorily.
It was too high in voltage unnecessarily with that, so the 1.25V shown to BIOS of the previous Ryzen 1500X was made Vcore. That's the official rated voltage. BIOS in 2017.

5. Or.
BIOS of a motherboard of X370 was update to one after Ryzen 2000.
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The Vcore voltage was abnormally expensive and was 1.45V by AUTO, so the 1.25V mentioned by the previous BIOS was established.
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But
The voltage of the default correspond to Ryzen 1500X for the BIOS, freeze 500% by P2 State-1.5GHz.
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When it freezes, even a performance boost and PBO invalidity are more than 3.8 GHz, and BIOS in Ryzen 2000 that tries to restart.
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Vcore of the voltage, because 1.25V in other words the Ryzen 1500X rated voltage were established.
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Offset is set 0.10 V compulsorily, so the Vcore voltage isn't enough at all.
It has been probably lacking more than 0.05 V, and even if it's cooled, I don't come to less than 0 ℃ by a boot.
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In a more serious thing.
Even Ryzen 2000, it's impossible to start, there is a possibility it is.
Only Ryzen 1500X is being bought, so I can't inspect, but if BIOS was going to restart by more than 4.0 GHz, I don't come to Ryzen 2000 by a boot.



Because there were also no explanations compulsorily and AMD and a motherboard manufacturer set the too high numerical value as meaning obscurity as Offset voltage 0.10V without agreement.
Avoidance is a possible near miss.
The event caused artificially.

These contents
The item which can win the class-action suit 30000%.
I think the amount due will be 150USD.
It's 150USD per 1 person, so an object thinks 10,000,000 people will be the scale.

That I don't do a class-action suit.
I think the lawyer who wants gain does on his own.




(What kind of correspondence do you want?)
1 Please drop the Offset voltage established by BIOS compulsorily in 0.025V.
2 Much participation can reduce the number of people of the possible victim in a class-action suit by doing that.
3 But I, now's motherboard, it's impossible to use it, it's eternal to become.
4 Are they the done contents as AMD was called for the motherboard manufacturer side?
It's possible that an exchange answers with X470 motherboard on the motherboard manufacturer side, but it's very unpopular with to make the motherboard manufacturer side bear the cost, so I'm not recommending you.

5 Is Ryzen 1600AF OK? Can I verify whether it's possible to start with that?

First it's an X model of Ryzen 1000 intentionally, not the blue screen which makes Windows10 freeze, and freeze. 1.25V Override mode and BIOS are Q1-2018 year Q4 in 2019, and and a motherboard is X370 for the voltage.

" Please don't change the CPU and restart just as it is".

It can't start really.
I think an LED of an error sparkles with both of CPU and DRAM.

And CMOS is cleared.
Without changing CPU again, please restart just as it is.
It can't start.
It's an error of CPU and DRAM likewise.

Next please exchange CPU for Ryzen 1600AF.
If it can start, it's safe.

I'm prepared without making the motherboard manufacturer side bear the cost.
An impression is very good.
An impression from a market is also Best.
A class-action suit, a victim may be able to be reconciled and may not appear.
I think it depends on an impression of AMD and you can do that.


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The longitude and latitude of the PS: BIOS Update X370 Motherboard

When I didn't know Offset, it wasn't put on any more by a boot.
I thought BIOS had begun to break, so BIOS was overwritten.
It was renewed in Q4 in 2019.

The Vcore voltage of the default setting was improper in Ryzen 1500X, so it froze by P2 State-1.5GHz.
It wasn't put on any more by a boot.
Happily it was BIOS, so 1 was made old BIOS - 2018 year Q4 from Ryzen 3000.

And I catch on Offset0.10V now, a motherboard, it's impossible to use it, it was.
Said.

It's in MSI and AMD now.
I'm going to go to correspond.
Really worst.

An X model of Ryzen 1000 is exchanged for Ryzen 1600AF or Ryzen 2000, doesn't it correspond?

 

[JapanMan]

Ryzen PC crashing at idle or semi-idle

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/g4xhx2/ryzen_pc_crashing_at_idle_or_semiidle/

This person is in trouble about a problem of the same Offset, too.

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The cause was specified.

Ryzen 1600AF
Radeon RX 580 and the same 14nm.
Ryzen 2000 of TSMC, not 14nm, but 12nm and, GF, made of of it's lower in voltage than Ryzen 1600AF

Therefore
When BIOS corresponding to Ryzen 2000 and Ryzen 3000 is used, it's lacking in the voltage of the P2 State-1.5GHz, so it freezes by 500%.
A PC does a blackout by 500%.

So
Please use BIOS to which only Ryzen 1000 corresponds.
And please use the voltage in AUTO.
When freezing, BIOS tries to move by 3.7GHz of XFR unrelatedly in setting of XFR.

Or
When setting the Vcore voltage to 1.25V, it's done 0.05 V whether it's Offset0.10V compulsorily, so it doesn't reach the voltage of the 3.7GHz any more.

When it's so, it's giving up.
A motherboard, it's impossible to use it, it'll be.

Now, I?
It has been completely the same thing by Ryzen 1500X.
And the voltage was designated as 1.25V, so it became perfect in boot impossibility.

The contents.
Now I tried to go to AMD and MSI to charge exchange correspondence when
Yours were seen by chance.
That's it.

Please never make the Vcore voltage any place but AUTO.
And when there is Offset Mode, please suppress it in "-0.05V"-"-0.01V".
When I make it shorter than that in Ryzen 1000, it's dangerous, a motherboard can't be used any more perfectly.

 

[JapanMan]

" Report corresponding to an exchange "
The MSI volume

Rule 1 of MSI
A rule in a purchase store is guaranteed certainly.
Even if I insist that it's a fallout that it was already used and became secondhand, when an exchange is OK at a purchase store, MSI compensates it perfectly.

Rule 2 of MSI
When I paraphrase.
SO where the user received disadvantage by incompleteness of MSI, even if, no MSI compensates it basically.
But even if meaning is an unclear charge, MSI guarantees a rule in a purchase store.
Because MSI is doing that.
Customer service is trash waste mainly perfectly. There is a thing which becomes the trigger which causes the worst defect because of a BIOS update surely.

MSI supports an update of BIOS, but we assume that there was a defect which occurred by an update of BIOS.
Even if MSI is bad, MSI doesn't compensate it at all.
And MSI permits the unjust return act which can be put just after just after the sale, OverClock and the purchase by not compensating customer service at all.
When you'd like to return the goods unjustly, please buy it at the store it's possible to return unjustly.

There is only an idea that a business is being developed this for us in MSI.
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So
X370 motherboard JapanMan has done has put me in BIOS any more only by Ryzen 2600 or the CPU for which 2700 or XFR can't be used.
That's compulsory, it's 3.8 GHz of trouble which moves and does a boot.

Or
The one from such worst CASE isn't compensated a motherboard manufacturer in any place but MSI for at all.

Just in case.
A motherboard manufacturer offers the perfect article return system until the United States is firm, but unjust return isn't just permitted mainly basically.
Therefore there is no customer service at all for the true worst defect.

Probably
Intel assumes the voltage doesn't agree to do a BIOS update, and that a chip set isn't interchanged fails in the defect which becomes boot impossibility and a renewal of BIOS, and that breaks perfectly.

And
A chip set isn't compatible, so meaning, because it's difficult for an unclear defect to occur, an unreasonable BIOS update can be eased.


The BIOS interchange of AMD is quite ideal. Lower compatibility is fine basically.
Or
After mentioning that BIOS isn't optimized by subordinate's CPU, it's necessary to make them download BIOS.

I don't assume that BIOS does a boot by more than 3.8 GHz unconditionally and it isn't done even to know.
AMD doesn't explain at all, so no one knows.

Even if I don't do a class-action suit.
I think the lawyer who wants money does a class-action suit by himself.
This is the near miss by which avoidance is possible.

I'll get Ryzen 2000 of a junk in 50USD later later, and make X370 motherboard restore, I think.
I think everyone makes the impression bad for AMD which makes a consumer say so to AMD.


There is a firm article return system the United States, so because it's possible to return 3 years later of comparison, a problem nothingness comes and finishes.

Because there is such thing really, the article return system is a fact, isn't it?

Really worst.
Pentium G4400-2C2T of Skylake in Intel is used now.

If it's Ryzen 1800X, I think I'm probably in trouble. I run out of the number of cores, so it's very troublesome.


" It isn't optimized at all to lower rank CPU".
" Ryzen 2000 is exclusive BIOS ".

When even the instructions are here.
I didn't have to do a BIOS update and the case that a motherboard becomes useless has not also occurred.

 

[JapanMan]

" UPdate AMD "

An addition is explained.

If it's an illegal act by an error, a courthouse concludes that.

Even if there is a CPU measurement table mentioned by an indication space of goods, it's about the act for which an enterprise doesn't take responsibility at all in the contents.

" The example "
BIOS of a motherboard is raised, I dated.
The BIOS can't use Ryzen 1500X, unless it's mentioned so.

Even if overclocking is done and it isn't put on any more by a boot, the person who bought a motherboard or CPU can have an update of BIOS compensate everything of the trouble which occurred.
Such meaning.

A BIOS update is supported if it can't be compensated, even if I come, Ryzen 2000 is exclusive BIOS and Ryzen 3000 is exclusive BIOS.
I have to mention such instructions.
If speaking about being official and corresponding more without mentioning, there is obligation to compensate bad all which occurred by a BIOS update.

A judicial judgement of an advanced country is so.

There is obligation to compensate me for it in AMD and MSI.
By a BIOS update, X370 motherboard, about the defect which became not available by Ryzen 1500X.

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The cause which isn't put on by a boot is explained.


The occasion using the BIOS corresponding to Ryzen 2000 or Ryzen 3000.
It's frozen by 500% or a blackout is done because the voltage doesn't have enough P2 state-1.5GHz established by default by Ryzen 1500X.
And when restarting a computer of Ryzen, BIOS corresponding to Ryzen 2000 and Ryzen 3000 tries to restart by more than 3.8 GHz unconditionally.

A frequency of the 3.8GHz needs the Vcore voltage of the BIOS more than 1.35 V by Ryzen 1500X.
Because I run out of the voltage naturally if the Vcore voltage is set to the 1.25V transcribed by the previous BIOS by BIOS, it becomes perfect in boot impossibility.

I use X370 GamingPLUS motherboard of MSI by Ryzen 1500X.
It was just boot impossibility.
It was boot impossibility by the formal Vcore voltage.

A judicial judgement of an advanced country.
If informing that even such case corresponds to Ryzen 1500X, there is obligation to compensate a BIOS update to a done after defect.

If it's my CASE, it's that it's also compensated from AMD and MSI so by a judicial judgement.

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I'll explain why it'll be boot impossibility.

The Offset voltage of Vcore acts as an X model in 0.10V by limitation for BIOS of Ryzen.
There are no explanation, agreement and transcription of the Offset voltage at all, but it's so.

The Offset voltage also sets it as the voltage of the DRAM and SoC 0.05 V. There are no explanation, agreement and transcription at all, but it's so.

Then it'll be set as Vcore1.25V, but Vcore brings about only 1.15V. Ryzen 1500X is its voltage, and it's impossible to make it more than 3.8 GHz.
It's lacking more than 0.05 V, so when it isn't made less than minus 100 ℃, it's boot impossibility.

Mr. AMD and you'll do that because of directing to establish the Offset voltage on the motherboard manufacturer side.

When setting the Offset voltage to 0.025V, which do I think a group also sued, AMD or a motherboard manufacturer?

I, even if a group doesn't sue, the lawyer who wants money is himself, and a group sues.
When a group sues, CASE like me is the item which can win the 30000%.

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Solution method about the case which became boot impossibility because of the lack of voltage of the CPU is explained.

If a CPU clock is AUTO, when there is a product of a CPU clock lower than the voltage of the CPU, I come to the BIOS by a boot by 100%.

Whether inspection method is Ryzen 1600AF, 2600 or 2700, Ryzen APU, Vcore is set as Override 1.25V.
And
The CPU clock is made AUTO.
When using more computers of Ryzen, I make a blackout freeze.

And please clear CMOS.

It restarts in the state which did CMOS clearance of a motherboard, if Seiko fades away in a restart, the voltage is enough, so it can be settled.


A CPU clock explains about CASE which was more than 4 GHz, not AUTO.
You can never return.
That's it.
When doing CMOS clearance of a motherboard, it's done because of the setting's of the voltage being not changed to the maximum voltage of the default.

When clearing COMS if making them do more than 4 GHz of overclocking, it's necessary that both of a CPU clock and the voltage return to default.
I'll do that because of the thing which can't be done.

If I'm informing that I'm making them correspond by the formula even if they seem to compare and it isn't put on, I have to compensate it.
A judicial judgement of an advanced country is so.

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The compensation contents are proposed.

The exchange correspondence of a product is too costly.
Please consider such obstacle.
It should be reconciled at American Amazon gift 50USD or national Amazon gift 50USD I wish.
I explain why it's made Amazon gift 50USD, and it's reconciled.

Please take care to buy CPU using Amazon gift 50USD.
It'll be compensation from the motherboard manufacturer side about a motherboard, so AMD compensates only the re-purchase price of the CPU.

A cost of the Amazon gift can be prepared by the virtual currency I got by a mining.
Directness should exchange the virtual currency difficult to cash for a Amazon gift.

Don't you make it American Amazon gift 50USD?

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Could you answer?