Jeffrey Augustine, referring to me, writes on Ex-Scientologist Message Board:
Gerry has protested for decades that he was illegally recorded by OSA operatives in Griffith Park. And yet when Corey Andrews illegally recorded Karen, Gerry quickly posted the illegal recording on his blog. This makes Gerry a staggering hypocrite and fraud in my book. He screams about injustices done to him while he is a scofflaw; a fugitive from justice; and has now acted in concert with others as an accessory to a crime, to wit:
California’s wiretapping law is a “two-party consent” law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632. The statute applies to “confidential communications” — i.e., conversations in which one of the parties has an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation. See Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575, 576-77, 578-82 (Cal. 2002). A California appellate court has ruled that this statute applies to the use of hidden video cameras to record conversations as well. See California v. Gibbons, 215 Cal. App. 3d 1204 (Cal Ct. App. 1989)… In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the California wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party. See Cal. Penal Code § 637.2.
I am only addressing here the matter of Corey Andrews recording Karen de la Carriere’s call to him, and my actions in response to this recording being published. It is necessary to say that Augustine has hated me for many years, or at least acted as hating me, and has targeted me with defamatory black PR attacks. He has libeled me in multiple contexts, and collaborates with other people who have, also for years, hated and smeared me to silence or destroy me.
There are numerous things in Augustine’s attacks that merit confronting. I am only dealing here, however, with two related calumnies: 1. his false accusation that in the de la Carriere-Andrews recording matter I am an accessory to the crime of wiretapping; and 2. the fake conclusion that because I protested the Scientologists and their coconspirators’ unlawfully recording me in 1984, my actions regarding the recording of the 2019 de la Carriere call (when it was recorded, Augustine says, I “quickly posted the illegal recording on [my] blog”) make me a “staggering hypocrite and fraud.”
Who YouTubed the recording Andrews made of de la Carriere’s call to him I don’t know. Relevantly, it was not me. But even if it had been me, it is irrelevant to the charge of my being an accessory to the crime of wiretapping. I must emphasize that I am not an attorney and that nothing I say should be considered legal advice or legally definitive.
It is also sensible to know — which I have not withheld in what I’ve authored or published over many years — that I consider that the US justice system, and the US’s laws and legal procedures in virtually every jurisdiction, have been corrupted, and where once there was an expectation or at least hope of justice, now there are injustice and hopelessness. The Scientologists, first under Scientology inventor and director L. Ron Hubbard, then under cult head David Miscavige, and as “independents,” and the Scientologists’ collaborators, who include an inordinate number of lawyers, have been significant contributors to the generation of justice system corruption in US jurisdictions and abroad.
If I had instructed Andrews to record de la Carriere’s call to him, or told him how to go about it, this could conceivably have constituted an accessorial offense. I did not know of Corey Andrews, however, when he recorded the subject call, or even when he passed the recording to others. I also have not seen where he knew of me when he recorded the call, or transmitted the recording to other persons, who posted it.
From Black’s Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition:
Accessory. Anything which is joined to another thing as an ornament, or to render it more perfect, or which accompanies it, or is connected with it as an incident, or as subordinate to it, or which belongs to or with it.
Adjunct or accompaniment. Louis Werner Saw Mill Co. v. White, 205 La. 242, 17 So.2d 264, 270. A thing of subordinate importance. Aiding or contributing in secondary way or assisting in or contributing to as a subordinate. Gilfoil v. Greenspon, La.App., 216 So.2d 829, 831.
[…]
Criminal law. Contributing to or aiding in the commission of a crime. One who, without being present at the commission of a felonious offense, becomes guilty of such offense, not as a chief actor, but as a participator, as by command, advice, instigation, or concealment; either before or after the fact or commission; a particeps criminis. Model Penal Code, § 2.06.
One who is not the chief actor in the offense, nor present at its performance, but in some way concerned therein, either before or after the act committed. One who aids, abets, commands, or counsels another in the commission of a crime. See also Abettor; Aid and abet; Accomplice.
Andrews, I believe, is in New York, which is a “one-party consent” jurisdiction. That is, in New York State, any one party, with his or her own consent 
may record any communication in which he or she is a party. In view of the now-known fact, however, that, without our consent, the US Intelligence Community has for decades at least been recording all of our communications they wanted, which was generally everything, the party-consent rule, whether one or all, is moot, or fakery, or both.
Although Andrews, with only his own consent, recorded de la Carriere’s call in a one-party consent state, Ms. De la Carriere might very well have originated her call in California, which, as Augustine observes, is an all-parties consent state. Regarding “confidential communications” between a one-party consent state and an all-parties consent state, the current law holds, I believe, that the all-parties state’s more restrictive statutes take precedence. So conceivably, absent any other facts or context, de la Carriere, might have a California claim against Andrews.
California Penal Code § 632 (c) states:
For the purposes of this section, “confidential communication” means any communication carried on in circumstances as may reasonably indicate that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the parties thereto, but excludes a communication made in a public gathering or in any legislative, judicial, executive, or administrative proceeding open to the public, or in any other circumstance in which the parties to the communication may reasonably expect that the communication may be overheard or recorded. (bold mine)
I have reasonably expected for many years that my e-communications, including telephone calls, were being overheard and recorded. There is nothing I can do to alter that expectation, and nothing I can do to prevent the persons or entities who overhear or record my e-communications from doing so. I have had no reasonable expectation of confidentiality or privacy in such communications for just as long. I am aware that the key entities that have been overhearing and recording my communications collaborate with the Scientologists. Edward Snowden’s 2013 leak of NSA global surveillance documents, was proof of what many people like me had known for years.
The US Intelligence Community entities, of course, do not view a huge percentage of the persons whose communications the USIC are overhearing or recording as enemies or threats, in the way they view me as an enemy and threat. It is unreasonable that I should have an expectation of confidentiality in any of my e-communications, and it is just as unreasonable that persons communicating to me should have any expectation of confidentiality in their e-communications to me. I think I have been abundantly clear about this for many years. See even this open letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin that mentions these facts:
I am writing publicly because I have virtually no privacy in my communications to you, nor any expectation of privacy. Also, making this patently public will obviate any accusation of collusion. https://gerryarmstrong.ca/letter-to-president-putin/
A lot of people, even years into the e-age, speak, write and act as if nothing has changed since it became known that all their e-communications were being overheard and recorded. They speak and write as if they can make such communications confidential by saying they are. Some people even use confidentiality or privacy, where none exists, for control purposes or to generate fake ethical superiority.
The overhearers and recorders are not going to stop overhearing and recording. They know that a societal shift from the expectation of privacy and confidentiality to the unshakeable realization that e-communications were being overheard or recorded, could be system-altering. That’s why USIC head DNI James Clapper lied to Congress about the NSA collecting any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans. It’s why courts apparently are still treating e-privacy or e-confidentiality, including in telephonic communications, as if these concepts exist as they once existed. There has been a relatively successful social engineering campaign to get populations to accept the overhearers and recorders as not present since they act silently and invisibly.
A step in the overhearers and recorders’ campaign to maintain the privacy delusion in the public’s mind and institutions is the acceptance of the overhearers and recorders as intelligent and good, doing their honorable best to protect good people from bad people, the enemy. I do not have the “luxury” of accepting this narrative; but even if I did, it does not alter the fact that professional overhearers and recorders overhear and record my communications, and I have no reasonable expectation of them not being overheard and recorded.
Unlike almost everyone else, I am in a very long and active war with the Scientologists and their collaborators, all of whom treat me as the enemy. The relevant Scientology scripture directing how they are to wage their war on the enemy like me is HCO Policy Letter of 16 February 1969, Reissued 24 September 1987, “Battle Tactics.” http://suppressiveperson.org/1969/02/16/hcopl-battle-tactics/
The Scientologists and their collaborators have targeted me as the enemy in different places, countries, courts, groups, media, etc. for thirty-eight years.
It could be argued that because the people who consider me the enemy overhear and record my communications, I have a duty in this war to record my communications myself. Obviously Corey Andrews, if he’s more or less as he appears to me to be, is now also an enemy target of the Scientologists and their collaborators. Consequently, he might also arguably have a duty to similarly make such a record to defend himself, his family, associates and cause. His forwarding of his recording also might be privileged because, arguably, de la Carriere was inducing him to do something she even suggested was unlawful. Again, I am not a lawyer.
Importantly, there is no logical way that I am an accessory to any crime in Andrews’ recording of de la Carriere’s call to him, or in my republication of the already-published recording, or in my posting of a transcript of the recording. Augustine is lying, and serving the antisocial purposes of the Miscavigeite Scientologists and their collaborators. In this matter, I am in a position similar to Julian Assange. He published documents, and I published documents, even documents whose authors might not want published, which, in endless circumstances, is perfectly legal. To prosecute Assange, however, the US Federal Government claims that he assisted Chelsea (Bradley) Manning to unlawfully obtain the documents he published. That is why Augustine, knowingly, baselessly and libelously, claims I am an accessory to the creation of the subject recording.
On or about December 29, 2019, I learned of Andrews’ recording of de la Carriere’s call to him, which had been posted to YouTube. Caroline transcribed the recording, and on December 31 posted her unofficial transcript to our “Scientology Research” site: https://scientology-research.org/transcript-telephone-call-between-karen-de-la-carriere-and-corey-andrews-ca-mid-2019/
I wrote a note I called “Karen de la Carriere briefing on trickling or dribbling,” in which I explained or discussed bits of the content in her call. I posted my note, along with a copy of the recording, also on December 31. http://gerryarmstrong.ca/karen-de-la-carriere-briefing-on-trickling-or-dribbling/
I did not make any effort to disseminate my note’s publication. Some persons might have referred or linked to it on one forum or another, but I have no record of such posts. I did advise de la Carriere and Mike Rinder that I had posted my note and the transcript:
From: Gerry Armstrong
Sent: December 31, 2019 4:59 PM
To: Karen de la Carriere; Mike Rinder
Subject: Note and transcriptDear Ms. de la Carriere and Mr. Rinder:
FYI, I posted a note about the recorded call to Corey Andrew, which was recently leaked: https://gerryarmstrong.ca/karen-de-la-carriere-briefing-on-trickling-or-dribbling/
Also I posted an unofficial transcript of the call: https://scientology-research.org/transcript-telephone-call-between-karen-de-la-carriere-and-corey-andrews-ca-mid-2019/
I also mentioned Mr. Rinder in my note.
Sincerely,
Gerry Armstrong
I believe that the first response to my note was an email from Stefani Hutchison on January 12:
From: Stefani Hutchison
Sent: January 12, 2020 8:24 AM
To: [Gerry Armstrong]
Subject: Fighting ScientologyHi Gerry,
My name is Stefani and I am a writer, author of the book Scientology for Never Ins, a blogger at Azhlynne’s Blog on WordPress and I run a twitter account dedicated to exposing the lies and abuses of Scientology.
Recent events, ignited by Corey Andrews, an unstable young man who has a history of attacking people for no reason, have concerned me greatly.
You are one of the BIG fighters in this battle and your words have weight. So when I saw that you’d weighed in on the sneakily, illegally obtained recording made by Corey and given to John McGhee I have to say I was shocked.
I have read the transcript of that recording multiple times, (https://scientology-research.org/transcript-telephone-call-between-karen-de-la-carriere-and-corey-andrews-ca-mid-2019/) and frankly I fail to see the alleged smoking gun proving that Karen De La Carriere has done anything wrong.
Corey Andrews showed up on twitter about a year ago, he contacted me a few times and I responded. With no warning he sent me an ugly message one morning attacking me because I was apparently not retweeting his posts as often as he’d wanted. After I blocked him, he turned on several other people in the same way. Corey never has taken the time or spent the effort to create anything of his own. His only “work” was in retweeting the words and works of other people. He wanted attention and praise but does not want to expend the energy to actually work for it.
Karen took Corey under her wing. She was kind and supportive to him, even going so far as to making him an admin on FB. She did NOT, in spite of rumor to the contrary, pay him any money monthly to obey her every command. Corey’s sole employment was as a janitor at his cousin’s children’s camp. When the camp closed, Corey was out of a job and struggling. Out of kindness Karen sent him $200 to help him get by. This was only done one time.
As no good deed goes unpunished, eventually Corey once again got angry with Karen for the same thing he attacked me (and others) for- not retweeting his tweets enough to suit him. Not long after he attacked her for this the recording was released, that video was created and the ugliest, nastiest type of cyber bullying I have ever seen commenced.
Gary, as someone familiar with Scientology’s Fair Game policy, as someone who knows what OSA is capable of, how is this situation at all any different from the way COS treats the people they don’t like? This was a page taken directly from Hubbard’s policy bulletins and it is NOT OK.
Karen, despite the fact that some may not care for her, did not deserve to be public ripped to pieces over rumor and innuendo. The only thing that recording shows is Karen once again supporting, helping and encouraging Corey, who has yet to ever create something original of his own. She told him he was a great poster on social media, she offered him…rather it could be said that she led the boy by the nose to…important information concerning OSA and attempted to inspire him to use it in order to gain more followers and increase his standing online.
The only thing she asked of him was not to post the link she trusted him with as she, herself, had been asked not to post it. That is not unreasonable. Nor is it in any way sneaky, sketchy or unethical.
This situation, taken up by someone with your credibility and stature in this anti Scientology movement, went far, far beyond simply attacking a woman who did not deserve to be treated in such a manner. There were civilian casualties, so to speak, as well. Friends were forced to take sides and relationships were damaged. People other than the target of this Fair Game campaign were hurt.
I do not presume to know what your relationship is with those involved in this ugly mess. If you do not like, agree with or support Karen De La Carriere that is certainly your right. We can’t all like everyone. There will always be disagreements. However rather than embracing the very tactics perfected and wielded by Scientology and the OSA, thus giving the watching cult a jolly laugh at our expense, would not the better, less damaging course of action simply be to move on? We can all do our part in this fight without destroying those around us.
Scientology aside, simply from a human standpoint, Karen did not deserve what Corey and John, along with John’s followers, did to her. She was publicly attacked, called “cunt”, “whore”, “bitch” and more. No woman should be subjected to such ugly speech.
Especially when there is no real foundation for any of it.
I have begged John to give me ANY proof to back up his rumors and hearsay against Karen. The only thing I have been pointed to is that recording.
That recording has nothing within it to support such a disgusting, damaging attack. I would ask you to read the transcript and please point me to anyplace that suggests otherwise.
Frankly, if you take a look on twitter, where John and his followers launched the majority of their attacks on Karen, you will see that in the end, it was not John McGhee who came out looking good. People are disgusted with what he and Corey have done.
If you have some sort of verifiable, unbiased proof to lend credence and justification to your support of this OSA worthy crushing of the character of another person then I beg you to show me. No one has been able to so far.
If this is a personal vendetta, a case of simple dislike then all well and good. But that does not justify this entire situation.
I ask you, as someone who firmly believes in the truth and in facts, to please help me to understand someone of your position taking up another’s campaign to publicly destroy a woman’s reputation in the name of hearsay, rumor and the unfounded third party twisting of facts. Karen may be disliked or disagreed with but she did not deserve this treatment.
Sincerely,
Stefani Hutchison
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@ultioetveritas
Azhlynne’s Blog
I emailed Hutchison back:
From: Gerry Armstrong
Sent: January 12, 2020 9:24 AM
To: ‘Stefani Hutchison’
Subject: RE: Fighting ScientologyDear Stefani:
Thanks for this quite detailed communication.
It would make a better record, and permit a full response from me, if you provide your first-hand knowledge of or any other evidentiary support for the important fact claims you’ve made.
Please post your email and any evidence you have publicly and send me a link. Obviously this is an important public discussion and should stay there.
Sincerely,
Gerry Armstrong
2-46298 Yale Road
Chilliwack, BC V2P 2P6
Canada
604-703-1373PS: If possible, can you please send me a copy of your book.
Hutchison emailed me:
From: Stefani Hutchison
Sent: January 12, 2020 11:30 AM
To: Gerry Armstrong
Subject: Re: Fighting ScientologyGerry,
I would be happy to give you what I have. However you must now understand that once bitten, twice shy. I will not be drawn into anything that may be designed to once again attack Karen. I will not be used as a tool in anyone’s Fair Game campaign.
If you sincerely want to address this situation fairly then I will work with you with everything I have. If you are simply hoping to gain the ability to, like John McGhee just did, twist the truth into something it isn’t just to hurt someone I want no part of it.
I wish to be clear here: I do not know Karen or Jeffrey in any capacity other than through Twitter and FB. Until less than a year ago, I didn’t even realize they were married.
The interactions I have had with them have given me no reason to suspect or doubt them. I was offered an admin position by Karen but had to refuse it because my plate is already full. At no time in that conversation was I offered even the suggestion of payment for my participation. In the year that I have interacted with her she has been kind and supportive of me but never has she attempted to instruct me what to do, who to believe, or what to say in my blogs. As a matter of fact she actually gave me written Carte Blanch to post whatever I wished on either of her FB groups.
When I heard of the rumor surrounding her alleged auditing I asked her directly. We spoke on the phone (I did not record the call) and I spoke to both Karen and Jeffrey. They both are in the dark where such an accusation may have arisen from and both adamantly deny that any auditing in any form is conducted by Karen or on her order. She does not charge anyone for such services. Neither of them ever had the “friend of a friend showed up at Karen’s home to be told by Jeffrey to be quiet because she was auditing” experience. There is nothing but third party hearsay to support this rumor and both of the targets of it vehemently deny it. Given everything Karen has been through at the hands of Scientology including the loss of her son, it flies in the face of common sense and reason that she would then continue to embrace the fundamental practices that embody the cult that did her and continues to do her, such harm. This is just not believable and unless there is proof, a picture from a PI of Karen with the Cans in her hand, a receipt from services rendered or even one credible person who could step forward and announce they were audited by Karen De La Carriere then basic human reason says she must be given the benefit of the doubt.
Again, as for the allegation that she paid Corey J Andrews $200/month to be her lackey when I confronted one of McGhee’s defenders she insisted that I ask Karen directly so I absolutely did:
If this were not true, then how would she know about the details of Corey’s employment, that he was a janitor and that the camp was run by his cousin?
I will for now also provide you with several screen shots of my own interaction with Corey Andrews as a token of trust. As you will see he turned to me looking for approval and advice when he was dealing with a Scientologist on Twitter. With no major interactions in between, other than out publicly on the threads, his next private contact with me was a scathing message attacking me for not retweeting his posts. I was blindsided.
I will be happy to provide you with other information however I am sorry but I need an assurance that you are looking for the truth and want to do the right thing here, not fishing for something further to use to hurt someone. To be clear, this is about more than just Karen. When I began @ultioetveritas it was to defend Mike Rinder from the ugly, untrue accusations of domestic abuse that were being publicly shouted by Taryn and her mother, Bitter Bernardini. I spent a lot of time and wrote more than one blog addressing those untrue libels. If I see bullying and hate I look into it and rectify it if I can. This is one of those instances.
My email is: [ ]
You can get a Kindle edition of my book through Amazon for free here:
Stefani Hutchison
Hutchison sent another email on January 12:
From: Stefani Hutchison
Sent: January 12, 2020 1:12 PM
To: Gerry Armstrong
Subject: Re: Fighting Scientology
The above comment that Karen sent me concerning the $200 was from Friday, Jan 10th, 2020. For the record, Corey told me he worked at this camp back in November, WAY before any of this mess began:
Just in the interest of truth, I would also like to point something important out.
Corey Andrews himself says that he only made one recording:
Yet Karen was sent a malicious email from the creator of that video threatening her, stating that there are multiple recordings.
“It doesn’t matter that you complain to YouTube about the current and forthcoming videos, that will only encourage more of your phone calls to be released, but this time they will be released unedited…In some of the phone calls of which we are in receipt you can be heard instructing your underling to stay away from, and not talk to, certain people – people who are actively protesting the Scientology cult.“
As there is, in reality, only one recording and nowhere in that recording can Karen be heard “instructing your underling to stay away from, and not talk to, certain people” it can only be construed that this statement is referring to a different, nonexistent, recording.
As this is a provable lie, the allegations that Karen was using and controlling Corey must also be dismissed for lack of any factual evidence whatsoever.
Corey accuses Karen of stating that Scott Gordon was the one who leaked the Orders. What she actually said is that Scott, himself claimed it:
“So you’re asking me how, how would I #nd it? Well, if you befriend Scott Gordon… he has a big mouth, he’s on a few hate groups. He brags of how he’s the one who put this out. Da da da da da. He got it in a very devious way, this list. But it belongs, it came from a very senior exec who doesn’t want the link posted. So you can’t post the link.”
This is directly from the transcript of the recording.
She didn’t accuse Gordon of anything, she repeated something that Gordon, himself claims.
As for the actual material itself, this material is readily available on the internet. Karen may have been pointing him to it, after all Corey has no history of doing his own research, but it’s not as though she was revealing something hitherto unknown. Corey alleges that Karen was putting him in harm’s way from OSA. However first of all, the material is already public and secondly, he was never in OSA’s sights because he never posted it himself. So much for the idea that victim Corey was being used, was being paid to follow her orders. Because simply put- he didn’t.
None of this makes any sense at all when looked at with common sense. Yes, Karen suggested Corey butter up to Gordon. But let’s be real here.
Could this not also be applied to what Corey has done to Karen? Pretended to be her friend then turned on her? Does that equal the smoking gun John McGhee is shouting that this recording is?
No.
Stefani Hutchison
I emailed Hutchison back also on January 12:
From: Gerry Armstrong
Sent: January 12, 2020 4:07 PM
To: ‘Stefani Hutchison’
Subject: RE: Fighting ScientologyDear Stefani:
Before I deal with the fact claims in your emails, some of which appear to not concern me, can you please answer a few questions:
- You haven’t quoted or directly addressed the content of what I wrote about de la Carriere’s call with Corey Andrews. Did you read my article, and do you contest any of the fact statements or conclusions in it?
https://gerryarmstrong.ca/karen-de-la-carriere-briefing-on-trickling-or-dribbling/- What is your understanding of Mike Rinder and Karen de la Carriere’s relationship with me?
- Have you studied or read all the documents and other evidence on my Mike Rinder page on my Armstrong Op site?
http://armstrong-op.gerryarmstrong.ca/mike-rinder/- Are you familiar with this response to Karen de la Carriere’s black PR on me?
https://gerryarmstrong.ca/who-or-what-sold-out/- It appears to me that much of what you’ve written concerns John McGhee and Corey Andrews, and not me. Have you communicated to them about your concerns, or your objection or counter-evidence to their claims?
Thanks very much.
Gerry
PS: I’m in Canada and amazon.com’s kindle library is not available to me. If you have a .pdf copy, I’d appreciate it.
On January 16, I emailed Corey Andrews, forwarding my correspondence with Hutchison, and asking for any response or corrections of errors he would care to make:
From: Gerry Armstrong
Sent: January 16, 2020 10:41 AM
To: [Corey Andrews]
Subject: FW: Fighting ScientologyDear Corey:
Stefani Hutchison, whom I had never communicated with previously, emailed me on January 12. Our exchange follows. As I wrote to her, much of what she says concerns you.
I don’t believe I knew of you until the recording of Karen de la Carriere’s call to you was published on YouTube. My wife Caroline transcribed the recording, and I wrote this article: https://gerryarmstrong.ca/karen-de-la-carriere-briefing-on-trickling-or-dribbling/
Hutchison has written a number of things about you, and I would appreciate any response you care to make, any corrections to any errors, and any complete discussions you have from which she took some bits you apparently wrote.
Thanks.
Take care.
Gerry
PS: My contact info in email below.
On January 16, Andrews emailed me back:
From: Corey Andrews
Sent: January 16, 2020 5:26 PM
To: Gerry Armstrong
Subject: Re: FW: Fighting ScientologyHello Gerry,
I’m currently laying low and not talking publicly about any of this because I don’t know if I’m in legal trouble or not. I originally recorded that phone call because it was late at night and I was tired and I wanted to make sure I could carefully carry out all of her instructions. I had NO IDEA that making the recording was illegal. It didn’t even cross my mind. I found out that what she was asking me to do in the phone call was illegal through my email interactions with Mike Rinder, in which he explained to me that the information she gave me over the phone wasn’t correct and that he was the one who actually leaked the OSA Network Orders and that the reason he himself doesn’t talk about it or make posts about it is because it would be a “slam dunk violation of the law” to do so. Mike said,
“I was NOT asked by David Miscavige to compile these issues. I did it on my own origination as an “amends project” but they were never submitted or approved. Foolishly, I gave copies of these to Marty Rathbun and Dan Koon. Dan then gave them to others and they ended up on the internet. The difficulty is there is no available copy of the complete ACTUAL OSA NW Orders. These ones were never authorized. Though I can personally attest that the information they contain is accurate and verified. I took them from Hubbard writings and lectures. But they are NOT published materials so scientology has considerable intellectual property rights on them. Far more than usual copyright protection. Unpublished works that are then published are considered pretty much a slam dunk violation of the law. So, you have never seen me publish them on the internet.”
I then decided to talk to Karen Pressley about it because her and I had established a friendship and I thought I could trust her. She listened carefully to my concerns about Karen de la Carriere and agreed with me that something wasn’t right here. Karen Pressley encouraged me to confront Karen de la Carriere about it and so I did. Her reaction to me was over the top. She wouldn’t even have a normal conversation with me about it and completely dismissed me, very upset that I would go over her head to talk to Mike Rinder about it and wondered why I would do that instead of going directly to her with my questions. My relationship and what I thought was a friendship diminished with Karen de la Carriere and we stopped talking completely. Her husband Jeffrey Augustine messaged me and told me to “stop messaging Karen” and to “find another hobby”, after all the hundreds upon hundreds of hours of time I have spent learning and helping them to the best of my abilities. I never asked her for money and even said to her that it was never required and I never told her I was “struggling”. Her “one time payment of 200$” was actually two separate payments of 100$ spaced out between MONTHS. Furthermore, I am not currently struggling and I wasn’t struggling financially then either. That’s them smearing me as part of their black PR against me.
After I couldn’t get any answers from Karen de la Carriere about what she had asked me to do in the phone call, I had a chat with several people, including John Mcghee. My interactions with John were meant to be private and I didn’t know he had the intent to leak the phone call publicly. I gave him the phone call for his professional analyzation and opinion. He made the video and uploaded it on Christmas Eve against my knowledge and without my permission. Christmas was then consumed by this whole ordeal, and Chris Shelton was communicating to me for Jeff & Karen. At first he was being friendly and genuinely seemed like he wanted to get to the bottom of this issue peacefully and help resolve it, but after I finished answering all of his questions he turned on me completely and began expressing how he doesn’t care what I have to say about Karen de la Carriere, scared the crap out of me and made me think I was going to go to jail for a mistake, for something I didn’t even know was illegal.
I tried to get YouTube to take the video down and I stopped communicating through Chris Shelton. Karen Pressley jumped into the situation and was relaying for Karen de la Carriere. Karen Pressley “helped” me with my apology letter that wasn’t accepted by Karen de la Carriere, and so I stopped talking to everybody and right now I regret ever trying to help these people in the first place. I thought Karen Pressley was my friend, but she took advantage of my frantic state of mind, and began instructing me to “find out what the others are planning” and I have NO IDEA what or WHO these OTHERS ARE or what they’re planning. They all became paranoid that I was some sort of OSA spy, and my name and reputation are now being slandered and I don’t know what to do about any of it other than remain silent. People on Twitter are accusing me of working with & for David Miscavige. Others have said that I am an Indy OSA representative. This is all crazy and I had set out to help abuse victims and raise awareness on Scientology but now I’ve been taken advantage of and I wasted a year of my life. I never meant for anyone to get hurt over that phone call and I can’t believe it has escalated this far and continues to.
Feel free to share this in whatever way you want.
Sincerely,
Corey Andrews
On January 17, I emailed Andrews:
From: Gerry Armstrong
Sent: January 17, 2020 7:56 PM
To: ‘Corey Andrews’
Subject: RE: FW: Fighting ScientologyHi Corey:
Thanks very much.
I am not a lawyer, and nothing I might say should be construed as legal advice.
It appears to me that Karen de la Carriere’s urging you to copy, post or use the OSA NW Orders, which Scott Gordon has webbed and made publicly available for years, while instructing you not link to them, could relate to her professed antipathy to him. It also could be that her warning to you about violating religious proprietary data, à la Coca-Cola’s secret recipe, if you posted a link to the documents you would be quoting, is fake.
Her professed hatred for Gordon is in her words:
– “he’s a lunatic. He’s an absolute wacko.”
– “he really is wacko”
– “he’s very friendly with a couple of wackos called Virginia and Mike McClaughry.”
– “so never, never, never, ah, engage or play ball with Scott Gordon.”
– “you’re going to be senior to, ah, a million posters because you’ve got something that you can slowly trickle out here and there. But don’t ever refer to Scott Gordon’s link”
etc.It would seem that the only person who would have any standing to make a legal issue of your recording of de la Carriere’s phone call to you would be her. If she initiated a claim, or tried to have you prosecuted, this could open her up to further exposures of her frankly antisocial behaviors toward you and other people in her orbit. Also, because of her introduction of the threat of some copyright or proprietary data violation in connection with the documents she was getting you to post — even if her real motivation was to not grant any credence to Gordon – you possibly had a real right to transmit the recording to anyone who might help you understand and deal with the threat.
From my perspective, de la Carriere’s reaction to your recording her call and the recording’s public posting could be completely spurious. Her reaction could indicate that she knows her efforts to manage, control and influence social media are commonly considered abhorrent to people who try to communicate transparently with their own thoughts, information, feelings etc. in their social interactions, and recognize the evil done on supposed back channels. She very well might feel threatened by what appears to be an exposure of her efforts to exert hidden influence on you and others, via you, in a social media context.
In addition, from what I can tell of her and her friends’ efforts (you mentioned Karen Pressley, Chris Shelton, Jeffrey Augustine) to “handle” you, their efforts could indicate their use of Scientology “Ethics” tech to cure the damage they perceived was caused by your actions that made you a “liability.” It might be helpful to review the “lower ethics conditions” as they would be applied in this context. https://web.archive.org/web/20190410225726/http://www.scientologycourses.org/courses-view/conditions/step/read-conditions-below-non-existence.html
Besides the apology letter Pressley helped you with, and de la Carriere’s refusal to accept it, their effort to get you to find out what the others are planning can be seen as an effort to obtain intelligence information on the people de la Carriere, et al. perceive as being in the “enemy camp.” It looks like they were getting you to do an “amends” project to make up the “damage” caused by the leak. If you had supplied such intelligence, your “effective blow” could have been enough “amends” to warrant de la Carriere’s getting over her resistant feelings, and welcoming you back into her fold, but starting again in the ethics condition above “Liability,” which is “Non-existence.” It might be helpful to review the “lower conditions” at the link above, especially the “Liability formula,” to see whether Pressley’s “help,” advice, etc., comports with these conditions formulas.
I understand how the telephone call and subsequent events could have been painful for you. There are a number of us, however, who are grateful for this exposure, as we should all be grateful for Edward Snowden’s exposure of the NSA’s secret antisocial activities. The content of the telephone call and de la Carriere’s behaviors have shed needed light on how she and others in her inner circle in the controlled opposition operate in Scientology-related matters.
It might be helpful for you to know that several others, me included, have experienced difficulty and even contemptuous treatment interacting with the same set of people: Rinder, de la Carriere, Shelton, Pressley, and now I suppose Stefani Hutchison. As incredible and even disturbing as this may at first sound, there is a real likelihood that these people operate to control Scientology’s opposition. This would explain their continuing black PRing of the Scientologists’ fair game targets or victims like me that they are not able to control or neutralize. Many or most of Mike Rinder’s inner circle have history, experience and skills that would forward this sort of agenda, and they could easily still share the cult’s ongoing legal, PR or intelligence interests with David Miscavige.
I cannot know if you are not a Scientology operative, and this whole matter involving you and de la Carriere and others is not a Scientology cult operation. I have accepted that you are as accurate and sincere in your communications as I am in mine.
I recognized right after leaving the cult in 1982 that I was a fair game target. I knew that because of my experiences and knowledge I was a huge target. By great good fortune I was led to a great attorney Michael Flynn in Boston, MA. When I was being followed, surveilled, threatened, assaulted by Scientology PIs, and had them at that instant in my face, he said to me, “Remain emotionally intact.” I was smart enough to know what that might mean, and those few words served me well for some years through very threatening times. I’ll pass on the same easy-for-me-to-say advice, Corey. Remain emotionally intact.
Gerry
On February 5, Andrews emailed me:
From: Corey Andrews
Sent: February 5, 2020 6:20 AM
To: Gerry Armstrong
Subject: Re: FW: Fighting ScientologyHello again Gerry,
First off, I would like to thank you for the well received advice. It means a lot to me. I would like to provide more information to put the whole OSA Network Orders situation into better context. I have heard that a man named Frank Oliver is the one who really leaked these Orders. So who is it really? What is the backstory? This email with Mike Rinder is what made me suspicious of Karen de la Carriere’s intentions. But I’m also suspicious of Mike now, because it would appear that he isn’t giving the full truth.
On February 5, I emailed Andrews:
From: Gerry Armstrong
Sent: February 5, 2020 1:59 PM
To: ‘Corey Andrews’
Subject: RE: FW: Fighting ScientologyHi Corey:
Some info and links re Frank Oliver:
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Talk:Church_of_Scientology_Office_of_Special_Affairs_and_Frank_OliverI met Oliver in Clearwater, Florida in, I believe, 2000. He gave me a hard copy of OSA’s “Department of Special Affairs Investigations Officer Full Hat Checksheet” and many of the documents listed on the checksheet.
This is an online version of the checksheet, with links to e-copies of listed documents:
http://suppressiveperson.org/extremist-material/cult-intelligence-courses/osa-int-ed-department-of-special-affairs-investigations-officer-full-hat-checksheet/Rinder says that the “issues” in the compilation “were never submitted or approved.” This is untrue.
An “issue” in Scientology is a single published article containing data about a subject. There are probably forty issue types, and each organization around the world will also publish issues concerning matters that are specific to that org.
Without checking every issue in the compilation of OSA NW Orders #1 through #149, it is clear that the majority of the issues had been previously published, although in certain instances as different issue types.
A number of the OSA NW Orders in the Oliver OSA DSA Invest pack, which was dated 1991, and which he trained on, are included in the Rinder OSA NW Orders compilation, which appears to have been done in 2006.
The OSA NW Orders from the 1991 Invest pack are renumbered in the 2006 Rinder OSA NW Orders pack. These renumbered OSA NW Orders have, however, been given the same date as when they were earlier issued as OSA NW Orders and were included in the Oliver OSA Invest pack.
See, e.g., the OSA Invest Checksheet: “OSA NW Order 16 TIME AND REPORTS.” In the Rinder compilation, “Time and Reports” is OSA NW Order 68. It is dated, however, 18 February 1988. Note as well that this OSA NW Order was “Originally an LRH OODs item of 7 April 1970;” that is, it was published, and distributed on that date to about four hundred people on the “Apollo.”
The earlier published OSA NW Orders were apparently numbered sequentially as they were issued/published. Rinder in 2006 was renumbering them according to OSA departmental structure: “OSA General,” “Intelligence,” “Public Relations,” “Legal,” “Social Reform.” Note that these departments are the same as the Guardian’s Office bureaus.
See, e.g., Rinder’s new OSA NW Order 1, which is dated 1 September 2006. This was from a Hubbard issue of 26 January 1975.
So, although the compilation and numbering and the whole pack of OSA NW Orders might not have been “submitted or approved,” the issues had virtually all been published. And, since they are, in vast majority anyway, written and published by Hubbard, they required no “submission” for approval, or approval.
Therefore Rinder’s statement that the issues in the pack he was compiling “were never authorized” is untrue.
Rinder says that he took the OSA NW Orders “from Hubbard writings and lectures. But they are NOT published materials.” Again, although these issues might not have been previously published in the form of OSA NW Orders with the same numbers as in the 2006 Rinder pack, the text they contain was previously published.
There are two other important factors for consideration regarding the cult’s intellectual property rights or copyright protection. 1. The issues in the OSA NW Order pack are all religious scripture. 2. They are, in total, evidence of a criminal conspiracy. These two facts are not incompatible. A criminal conspiracy, as the Scientologists demonstrate, can be a religion, and the religion’s scripture can be evidence of that conspiracy. Therefore, there are potent “fair use” defenses for publishing the cult’s OSA NW Orders, and publishing them would not be “pretty much a slam dunk violation of the law.” It might be that a copyright infringement case is a slam dunk for the cult because they own the judge, or it’s a friendly lawsuit, or they crush a weak defendant; but not be a slam dunk violation of the law.
Again, I am not an attorney, and nothing I say should be considered legal advice. My advice to “remain emotionally intact,” is something else, actually spiritual.
Caroline and I have successfully opposed the Scientologists on copyright issues, and these materials might be helpful for understanding:
- Note regarding our initial posting of the OSA Invest checksheet:http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/osa-int-ed-508r.html
- Caroline’s 2002-03-28 letter to cult head Miscavige:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/letkeman-ltr-miscaviage-2002-03-28.html- Site disclaimer: http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/disclaimer.html
- Caroline’s 2003-06-06 letter to Miscavige:http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/letkeman-ltr-miscavige-2003-06-06.html
Happy reading.
Gerry
On March 2, Hutchison published a lengthy black PR diatribe that scandalizes Andrews, Allen Stanfield and me as, among other uglinesses, “a triumvirate of angry men each refusing to deal with their pasts, get help for their baggage and move on from the shit pile they are sitting in.” My amazement upon discovering this article moved me to originate an email “Wow, just wow!” On March 6, in the email thread that followed, Andrews wrote:
From: Corey Andrews
Sent: March 6, 2020 5:29 PM
To: Alanzos Blog
Cc: Gerry Armstrong
Subject: Re: Wow, just wow!Gerry, I would like it if you made that one string of emails public from the “Fighting Scientology” conversation, the ones in which I am explaining to you how the phone call really got leaked. I don’t know what your plans currently are, but I do want people to know my story and know why and how that recording came into existence. The best way for me to tell my story is through you, because you reached out to me and I explained it all right there in the emails. It gives proper context to my situation and how I came to be where I am today, and I want everyone to know these things about me. I want to clear the air for people that might think I did this out of malicious intent, but in actuality, I didn’t even know that phone recording laws existed.
Thank you.
Corey
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:07 PM [Alanzo] wrote:
Gerry –
J Swift on ESMBR – on you
No one can ever take away from Gerry the fact that he put the Affirmations into the court record and showed the world the evil of L. Ron Hubbard. Conversely, no one can deny that Gerry took an $800,000 payday from Scientology. Had Gerry stopped there and abided by the contract he signed, his legacy would have been established.
Instead, he breached a legally enforceable contract and the Cult took him to court and won. Gerry lost in Appeals Court; the California Supreme Court rejected his petition to be heard. Gerry’s legal case came to a dead end. Gerry fled the US rather than serve 28 days for contempt of court. Since he breached his contract with Scientology, Gerry has always been free to speak, write, and travel as he pleases. His only restriction is that he cannot enter the US because he is a fugitive with an arrest warrant.
No one can undo Gerry’s fugitive warrant as it is a matter between Gerald Armstrong and the State of California. Further, the only party that can release Gerry from the contract he signed is the Church of Scientology International and that will never happen. Ken Moxon just renewed CSI’s judgment against Gerry for another ten years. With interest, Gerry now owes CSI ~$950,000.
Gerry tied his own hands. He can’t file any legal actions in the US because the Fugitive Disentitlement Doctrine prevents him from doing so. Fugitives cannot evade the law and also seek to use the law to their benefit.
When Mike, Marty and the others came out in 2008, Gerry began a series of attacks that have never ended. Gerry demands justice for himself when he, in fact, got $800,000 in justice. Gerry has attacked too many good people for three decades now because we don’t agree with him or his arguments. Gerry has been at war with good people for a long time and uses his blog to continue his personal attacks, slanders, and lies. Gerry is running a classic program on those he deems to be enemies.
Gerry has protested for decades that he was illegally recorded by OSA operatives in Griffith Park. And yet when Corey Andrews illegally recorded Karen, Gerry quickly posted the illegal recording on his blog. This makes Gerry a staggering hypocrite and fraud in my book. He screams about injustices done to him while he is a scofflaw; a fugitive from justice; and has now acted in concert with others as an accessory to a crime, to wit:
California’s wiretapping law…
I emailed Andrews back:
From: Gerry Armstrong
Sent: March 6, 2020 6:19 PM
To: ‘Corey Andrews’
Subject: RE: Wow, just wow!Hi Corey:
I will look into this and decide what the best way to proceed is.
Please study this article on recording phone calls in NY State: https://davidrichlaw.com/may-i-record-my-telephone-conversations-in-new-york-to-help-my-lawsuit/
As I understand it, de la Carriere called you. So she knew she was calling a number in New York, which is a one-party consent state.
California law, however, says that persons outside of California are prohibited from recording conversations with California residents without their knowledge or consent. Read this article: https://www.kellergrover.com/news/privacy-violations/ok-record-phone-call-california/
It is no wonder this was not known to you, and you recorded the call in innocence for the reason you gave. It is also reasonable that you were beginning to realize you were being manipulated and used against your interests, and against the interests and rights of others, which the phone call confirmed. You needed the recording to prove this and to extract yourself from that destructive domination, which the recording did.
I will further address this issue over the weekend.
Cheers.
Gerry