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Tchado
17 posts
2d

Never in my life have I ever thought I would come out praising EA on something (hear me out first) , but I have to say that the general direction Blizzard took with Wc3 reforged can learn something from what EA did with C&C Remaster.

Check this trailer out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iMfypQj3k0&t=s 117

Everything is this trailer is the result of EA producers working side by side with the community in a true partnership fueled by (mainly) a real passion for the game. Hell some of these features were developed by the community.

A producer one day showed up on reddit (shortly after the release of C&C Rivals, a mobile game that was unanimously hated by the C&C fandom) and started a conversation with the community on remastering the game, we the community had 24/7 access to them on reddit & discord. The producers were literally so active with the community they would ask us for feedback , ideas , things we want , things we didnt…etc on a near semi weekly basis , the conversation was ongoing for years; we got music updates, art updates, level updates, progress reports on levels and codes ,videos created and so much more including which studios to partner with and who to bring on the project, the level of transparency in this remaster project blew my mind away. EA alongside Petroglyph really went beyond what so many of us expected and as a customer and C&C fan that feels right. I can tell you right now they are guaranteed my money on release day so far.

Where was all of this for WC:R ???

This community is as much if not more passionate about this game, no less talented either. How could blizzard not see the value of working side by side with the community to create WC:R ? I don’t see any value gained by the approach Blizzard took which felt very distant. As a life time WCIII fan that didn’t feel right.

Blizzard, Please look into this example of what EA did with their C&C remaster. I think moving forward if you truly want to fix this game and bring back WCIII in its true glory and give the fans what they want. This is the approach you should take. It’s not too late to make this right.

Have faith in your fans & your communities. Start working with them instead of pushing onto them

InMediah
238 posts
2d

Oh this is new, didnt saw this yet.
Looks really good…but then the fake trailers and fake demo for refunded also looked good…so yeah…afterall its EA…never trust EA…lets wait and see.

Tritol
122 posts
2d

Its dangerous to go alone! Take this. :triangular_flag_on_post:

EA selling you $grab … not only you got baited and bought one remaster from blizz, you literally ate the whole fishing boat from one of the most garbage publishers out there who is going to sell you game you already own …

SimpN
11 posts
2d

StarCraft: Remaster was good. That’s all I wanted, the same game but with better graphics. WC3: Reforged is unfortunetly worse than the original in almost every regard…

Tchado
17 posts
InMediah
2d

Under the usual circumstances I would 100% agree with you. I dont trust EA one bit. However this project was completely executed alongside the community with 100% transparency , the level you saw are things we got to see first hand and dont forget the years of documented conversations on literally everything in the game , they cant get away with a bait and switch and they gained community trust for this project. Can you honestly say that WC:R was developed in a similar fashion ?

This is what Im trying to highlight, can you imagine how much community support Blizzard would’ve gotten if they took a similar approach to WC:R ? They certainly wouldn’t be apologizing to us “not getting the remaster we wanted”.

Gobble
75 posts
1d

Do not give them praise… they already flopped with the C&C Decade edition YEARS ago. None of those games actually worked on Windows 7 (and they lacked key features: MULTIPLAYER primarily).

We’ll see.

Kilometer
23 posts
1
1d

Wasn’t that community don’t want the new and updated campaigns for WC3R? If anything, they should have no listen to the community, especially those purists and actually making WC3R a remake.

Sumnayin
104 posts
Gobble
1d

Only way i’d get the C&C Remastered is if it had good multiplayer, but from SC:R, WCR and every other remake recently I can tell that won’t happen. If only companies could get a clue that most people just want the almost exact same game(like 95%+) but with shinier graphics and some modernization in UI. Even Square killed me with their FF7 Dynasty Warriors edition

Tchado
17 posts
1d

SO far it seems like it will have it , check the trailer

OutsiderXE
45 posts
1d

Before Reforged was released I was dissapointed by C&C Remastered. I thought the Remastered could have done more. E.g. 3D, updated AI, new videos (with new actors), maybe even build system and tech-tree.

Now after the WC3 version of 9/11 released I am happy that C&C is not trying to be anything more than a polished version of an existing game.

Yeah, it looks crap, even if it was released 10 years ago; but it has retained its charm. Reforged can’t say that about itself.

WARPIG
19 posts
1d

EA has nothing to do with C&C remaster except for owning the rights. Its a good remaster bcz its done by former Westwood devs ( who are now part of Petroglyph) who created the game in the firstplace… they are literally remastering their own game.

Sikkun
234 posts
Gobble
1d

The First Decade was made to bring the games up to date with Windows XP. It came out 3 years before Windows 7 went to market.

InMediah
238 posts
Tchado
1d

Under the usual circumstances I would 100% agree with you. I dont trust EA one bit. However this project was completely executed alongside the community with 100% transparency.

I have to take your word on this cuz i did not follow it myself at all.
It really looks good but im so fed up by EA…im still saying lets wait and see.
They could still lootbox it a couple weeks after release and reviews.

Can you honestly say that WC:R was developed in a similar fashion ?

Obviously it was not :sweat_smile:

Tchado
17 posts
OutsiderXE
18h

I dont know what’s to be disappointed about. I respect your opinion and it is valid. However a huge conversation went down with the community and the devs on reddit & discord and the devs were very active in it. The over all consensus was that the vast majority of the community wanted what we literally got in that trailer and as you said; a polished version of an existing game with modern support.

Im not here to promote C&C remaster or their product, I wrote this post to discuss the methodology used by the devs and hopefully see Blizzard do the same. You may not like the product and I totally respect that but no one can deny that the devs and producers didn’t do the right thing in the game’s development cycle.

FrankAnger
18 posts
16h

What is this C&C Remaster and why is everyone praising it despite it not being released? Feels like it’s gonna be Reforged 2.0

Monlyth
100 posts
SimpN
15h

Me too. New additions (Namely, new races) would have been fun, but not absolutely necessary.

This reminds me of the time Ubisoft managed to screw up Tetris, of all things. A simple puzzle game that could run smoothly on gaming machines from 20+ years ago, and they made a version with massive framerate drops and numerous glitches.

It just begs the question: How could a big-budget studio with vast resources, working on such a simple project, manage to screw this up?

Krieger
2 posts
13h

That CnC remaster looks like trash tbh

Sumnayin
104 posts
10h

Looks great to me, if it has ladder day 1 I will buy it

Sumnayin
104 posts
10h

based on what?

FrankAnger
18 posts
9h

Based on everyone getting their hopes up for a remaster made by a well known greedy company.

I’m not against a good remaster. If EA manages to not mess it up then that’s great.

I do have my doubts about them though.

Cauthon
72 posts
6h

Ea has shown recently they can listen to the fans. Look at star wars fallen order. I’m at least giving them a chance. Blizzard hasn’t done anything in 4 years to prove to me anything.

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