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Respect Zeus (Greek Mythology)

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Respect Zeus (Greek Mythology)

Canonicity
Let me get this out of the way quickly. Mythology is hard to dicuss and debate often because it direct and blatantly contradicts itself. That said, almost all works contradict to some extent. This blog will chronicles Zeus' best feats, using directly the writings of the Ancient Greeks or those directly quoting and commenting on them (such as Roman accounts of Greek beliefs).


Immortality

  • Deathless Gods:

"The Olympian Lightener [Zeus] called all the deathless gods to great Olympos, and said that whosoever of the gods would fight with him against the Titenes, he would not cast him out from his rights, but each should have the office which he had before amongst the deathless gods; he said, too, that the god who under Kronos had gone without position or privilege should under him be raised to these, according to justice."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 390 ff (trans. Evelyn-White)

  • Deathless Gods:

"[Zeus] the son of Kronos and the other deathless gods whom rich-haired Rhea bare from union with Kronos, brought them [the stormy Hekatonkheires] up again to the light at Gaia's (Earth's) advising."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 617 ff

  • Undying Gods:

"The boundless sea rang terribly around, and the earth crashed loudly: wide Heaven was shaken and groaned, and high Olympos reeled from its foundation under the charge of the undying gods, and a heavy quaking reached dim Tartaros and the deep sound of their feet in the fearful onset and of their hard missiles."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 617 ff


Strength

  • Zeus is stronger then all the other Gods together:

Consciousness of his omnipotence is admirably illustrated in the famous scene in the Iliad (8.17 ff.) in which Zeus makes this challenge to the Olympians: "Then [you] will see how far I am strongest of all the immortals. Come, you gods, make this endeavor, that you all may learn this. Let down out of the sky a cord of gold; lay hold of it all you who are gods and all who are goddesses, yet not even so can you drag down Zeus from the sky to the ground, not Zeus the high lord of counsel, though you try until you grow weary. Yet whenever I might strongly be minded to pull you, I could drag you up, earth and all and sea and all with you, then fetch the golden rope about the horn of Olympos and make it fast, so that all once more should dangle in mid air. So much stronger am I than the gods, and stronger than mortals" (trans. Richmond Lattimore, The Iliad of Homer [Chicago, 1951]).

-Source: A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

  • Poseidon admits Zeus is far more powerful then the rest of the Gods:

“Hera, you fearless talker,
What are you saying? That’s not what I want,
the rest of us to war on Zeus, son of Cronos.
For he is much more powerful than us.”

-Source: Homer, Iliad: Book 8

  • Zeus has “boundless might”:

"To the Daimon [Zeus]. Thee, mighty ruling Daimon dread, I call, mild Zeus, life-giving, and the source of all: great Zeus, much wandering, terrible and strong, to whom revenge and tortures dire belong. Mankind from thee in plenteous wealth abound, when in their dwellings joyful thou art found; or pass through life afflicted and distressed, the needful means of bliss by thee suppressed. 'Tis thine alone, endued with boundless might, to keep the keys of sorrow and delight.

-Source: Orphic Hymn 73 to the Daemon

  • Zeus shaking his head shakes the universe:

"When all were plac'd, in seats distinctly known,
And he, their father, had assum'd the throne,
Upon his iv'ry sceptre first he leant,
Then shook his head, that shook the firmament:
Air, Earth, and seas, obey'd th' almighty nod;
And, with a gen'ral fear, confess'd the God.
At length, with indignation, thus he broke His awful silence, and the Pow'rs bespoke."

-Source: Ovid, Metamorphoses, Book 1


Thunder

  • Zeus strikes down Typhon with his thunderbolts and casts him into Tartarus:

... a monstrous being, Typhon, son of Gaea and Tartarus, rises against Zeus: "From his shoulders came a hundred snake heads, frightful dragons, thrusting out blackish tongues; and from his eyes.... flared a light like fire," etc. (Theog. 824 ff.). Zeus struck him with this thunderbolts and cast him down into Tartarus.

-Source: A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

  • Zeus' thunder shakes the Earth:

"Rhea was subject in love to [the Titan] Kronos and bare splendid children, Hestia, Demeter, and gold-shod Hera and strong Hades, pitiless in heart, who dwells under the earth, and [Poseidon] the loud-crashing Earth-Shaker, and wise Zeus, father of gods and men, by whose thunder the wide earth is shaken."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 334 - 515 (trans. Evelyn-White)

  • Zeus shakes the world with his thunder and light:

"To Zeus Keraunos (Thundering). O father Zeus, who shakest with fiery light the world, deep-sounding from thy lofty height. From thee proceeds the ethereal lightning’s blaze, flashing around intolerable rays. Thy sacred thunders shake the blest abodes, the shining regions of the immortal Gods.

-Source: Orphic Hymn 19 to Zeus of Thunder

  • Zeus’ Thunder Shatters Olympus:

"Nor were the heights of heaven more secure [during the violent Iron Age of Man]: Gigantes (Giants), it's said, to win the gods' domain, mountain on mountain reared and reached the stars. Then the Almighty Father (Pater Omnipotens) [Zeus] hurled his bolt and shattered great Olympus and struck down high Pelion piled on Ossa. There they lay, grim broken bodies crushed in huge collapse [and Gaia created a race of men from their blood, see below]."

-Source: Ovid, Metamorphoses 1. 151 (trans. Melville)

  • The Power of Zeus’ lightning not holding back, ravages the Earth is like Earth and Heaven were crashed together, even the void Chaos is affected:

"Then Zeus no longer held back his might; but straight his heart was filled with fury and he showed forth all his strength. From Heaven and from Olympos he came forthwith, hurling his lightning: the bold flew thick and fast from his strong hand together with thunder and lightning, whirling an awesome flame. The life-giving earth crashed around in burning, and the vast wood crackled loud with fire all about. All the land seethed, and Okeanos' streams and the unfruitful sea. The hot vapour lapped round the Titenes Khthonios (Earthly): flame unspeakable rose to the bright upper air (aither): the flashing glare of the thunder-stone and lightning blinded their eyes for all that there were strong. Astounding heat seized air (khaos): and to see with eyes and to hear the sound with ears it seemed even as if Earth (Gaia) and wide Heaven (Ouranos) above came together; for such a mighty crash would have arisen if Earth (Gaia) were being hurled to ruin, and Heaven (Ouranos) from on high were hurling her down; so great a crash was there while the gods were meeting together in strife. Also the winds brought rumbling earthquake and duststorm, thunder and lightning and the lurid thunderbolt, which are the shafts of great Zeus, and carried the clangour and the warcry into the midst of the two hosts. An horrible uproar of terrible strife arose: mighty deeds were shown and the battle inclined. But until then, they kept at one another and fought continually in cruel war."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 617 ff

  • Zeus’s thunderbolt kills a God:

"And the father of men and gods [Zeus] was wrath, and from Olympos he smote the son of Leto [Asklepios] with a lurid thunderbolt and killed him, arousing the anger of Phoibos [Apollon]."

-Source: Hesiod, Catalogues of Women Fragment 90 (trans. Evelyn-White)

  • Zeus's thunderbolts can create a fire so intense that it would melt Heaven, Earth, and Sea and destroy the Universe:

[253] And now his thunder bolts would Jove wide scatter, but he feared the flames, unnumbered, sacred ether might ignite and burn the axle of the universe: and he remembered in the scroll of fate, there is a time appointed when the sea and earth and Heavens shall melt, and fire destroy the universe of mighty labour wrought. Such weapons by the skill of Cyclops forged, for different punishment he laid aside—for straightway he preferred to overwhelm the mortal race beneath deep waves and storms from every raining sky.

-Source: Ovid, Metamorphoses Book 1 (trans. More)

  • Zeus uses thunder and fire against the Gigantes:

"Zeus in his wrath was set upon the crest [depicted on the helm of Akhilleus] throned on heaven's dome; the Immortals all around fierce-battling with the Titanes fought for Zeus. Already were their foes enwrapped with flame, for thick and fast as snowflakes poured from heaven the thunderbolts: the might of Zeus was roused, and burning Gigantes seemed to breathe out flames."

-Source: Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 5. 103 ff (trans. Way)


Intelligence

  • Zeus is far-seeing:

"But when the blessed gods had finished their toil, and settled by force their struggle for honours with the Titenes, they pressed far-seeing Zeus Olympios to reign and to rule over them, by Gaia's (Earth's) prompting. So he divided their privileges amongst them."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 881 ff

  • Zeus is aware of all:

"Zeus, at the utmost verge of earth, was aware of all: straight left he Okeanos's stream, and to wide heaven ascended, charioted upon the Anemoi (Winds), Euros (the East), Boreas (the North), Zephyros (the West-wind), and Notos (the South) : for Iris rainbow-plumed led 'neath the yoke of his eternal ear that stormy team, the ear which Aion (Time) the immortal framed for him of adamant with never-wearying hands."

-Source: Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 12. 189 ff (trans. Way)

  • Zeus is all-seeing:

"To [Zeus] Kronides (the Son of Kronos), Most High (hypatos). I will sing of Zeus, chiefest among the gods and greatest, all-seeing, the lord of all, the fulfiller who whispers words of wisdom to Themis as she sits leaning towards him. Be gracious, all-seeing Kronides, most excellent and great!"

-Source: Homeric Hymn 23 to Cronides (trans. Evelyn-White)

  • It is not possible to trick or escape Zeus's mind:

“It is not possible either to trick or escape the mind of Zeus. - Hesiod (C.Eight Century B.C.), Theogony)”

-Source: Classical Mythology: Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece and Rome


Dominion

  • Zeus reins down fire from Heaven causing widespread destruction of the primordials:

"On the presumptuous Titanes once in wrath he [Zeus] poured down fire from heaven: then burned all earth beneath, and Okeanos' world-engirdling flood boiled from its depths, yea, to its utmost bounds: far-flowing mighty rivers were dried up: perished all broods of life-sustaining earth, all fosterlings of the boundless sea, and all dwellers in rivers: smoke and ashes veiled the air: earth fainted in the fervent heat."

-Source: Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 8. 460 ff

  • Zeus brings all the waters of the world to mountain height, flooding all cities:

"Raincloud Zeus brought the waters up in mountainous seas on high and flooded all cities, how Notos and Boreas, Euros and Libos [Zephyros] in turn lashed Deukalion’s wandering hutch, lifted it castaway on waves in the air and left it harbourless near the moon."

-Source: Nonnus, Dionysiaca 12. 59 ff (trans. Rouse)

  • Zeus shakes the Earth and sends Typhoon into it’s deepest depth:

"The ground trembles and quakes at the shock, as when Jupiter [Zeus] strikes Phlegra [home of the Gigantes] with his angry brand and hurls back Typhon to the deepest recesses of the earth."

-Source: Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 6. 168

  • Zeus keeps Dawn, Moon and Sun from moving, finds and destroys a medicine before even Gaia, can find it:

"When Ge (Earth) learned of this, she sought a drug that would prevent their destruction even by mortal hands. But Zeus barred the appearance of Eos (the Dawn), Selene (the Moon), and Helios (the Sun), and chopped up the drug himself before Ge could find it."

-Source: Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 1. 34 - 38 (trans. Aldrich)

  • Zeus makes the River Styx the seat of oath-swearing for Immortals:

"The dark, stream of black Styx, where Termeios [Zeus] made the seat of the oath-swearing for the immortals, drawing the water in golden basins for libations, when he was about to go against the Gigantes (Giants)and Titanes."

-Source: Lycophron, Alexandra 697 ff (trans. Mair)

  • Zeus grants Teiresias the power of prophecy:

"Teiresias saw two snakes sexually couples in the area of Kyllene, and when he injured them he changed from a man into a woman. Later, seeing the same snakes again mating, he was changed back into a man. Thus, when Hera and Zeus were arguing as to whether men or women enjoy sex more, they put the question to Teiresias. He said that on a scale of ten, women enjoy it nine times to men’s one. Whereupon Hera blinded him, and Zeus gave him the power of prophecy."

-Source: Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. 71 (trans. Aldrich)

  • Zeus can use the power of Necessity:

"Let him [Zeus] lift me [the Titan Prometheus] on high and hurl me down to black Tartaros with the swirling floods of stern Necessity (anankê) [i.e. the fate of the other Titanes] : do what he will, me he shall never bring to death [i.e. because the Titanes are immortal]."

-Source: Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound 1050 ff

  • Zeus can command both mortals and immortals:

“He then freed his father's brothers, whom Uranus had chained. In token of gratitude, they offered him thunder and lightning. Furnished with such weapons, Zeus can thenceforth command "both mortals and immortals" (Theog. 493-506).”

-Source: A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

  • Zeus gives Hekate powers of Earth, Heaven, and Sea:

"For as many as were born of Ouranos and Gaia [the Titanes] amongst all these she [Hekate] has her due portion. The son of Kronos [Zeus] did her no wrong nor took anything away of all that was her portion among the former Titan gods: but she holds, as the division was at the first from the beginning, privilege both in earth, and in heaven, and in sea."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 421 ff

  • Zeus assigns the other deities their privileges and powers:

"As soon as he had seated himself upon his father's throne, he immediately assigned to the deities their several privileges and apportioned to them their proper powers."

-Source: Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound 200 ff (trans. Weir Smyth)

  • Zeus is the “Lord in the Highest”:

"Zeus Lord in the Highest, did not rise to heaven without hard work, he the sovereign of the stars : first he must beind fast those threateners of Olympos, the Titanes and hide them deep in the pit of Tartaros."

-Source: Nonnus, Dionysiaca 13. 33 ff

  • Zeus orders and takes care of all:

"A pair of winged horses and a charioteer. Now the winged horses and the charioteers of the gods are all of them noble and of noble descent . . . Zeus, the mighty lord, holding the reins of a winged chariot, leads the way in heaven, ordering all and taking care of all; and there follows him the array of gods and demigods, marshalled in eleven bands [the twelve Olympians]."

-Source: Plato, Phaedrus 246 (trans. Fowler)

  • Zeus is the source of all and the giver of life:

"To the Daimon [Zeus]. Thee, mighty ruling Daimon dread, I call, mild Zeus, life-giving, and the source of all: great Zeus, much wandering, terrible and strong, to whom revenge and tortures dire belong. Mankind from thee in plenteous wealth abound, when in their dwellings joyful thou art found; or pass through life afflicted and distressed, the needful means of bliss by thee suppressed. 'Tis thine alone, endued with boundless might, to keep the keys of sorrow and delight.

Source: Orphic Hymn 73 to the Daemon :

  • Zeus is able to produce all things though his mind with ease, is the principle behind all things, transcending space and time to be the cause of all things:

"O Zeus, much-honoured, Zeus supremely great, to thee our holy rites we consecrate, our prayers and expiations, king divine, for all things to produce with ease through mind is thine. Hence mother earth (gaia) and mountains swelling high proceed from thee, the deep and all within the sky. Kronion king, descending from above, magnanimous, commanding, sceptred Zeus; all-parent, principle and end of all, whose power almighty shakes this earthly ball; even nature trembles at thy mighty nod, loud-sounding, armed with lightning, thundering god. Source of abundance, purifying king, O various-formed, from whom all natures spring; propitious hear my prayer, give blameless health, with peace divine, and necessary wealth."

Source: Orphic Hymn 15 to Zeus (trans. Taylor)


Presence

  • Zeus is omnipresent:

“For already in Homer Zeus recovers the splendors and powers of a true Indo-European sovereign god. He is more than a god of the "vast sky," he is "the father of gods and men" (Iliad 1.544). And in a fragment of his Heliades (frag. 70 Nauck), Aeschylus proclaims: "Zeus is the ether, Zeus is the earth, Zeus is the sky. Yes, Zeus is all that is above all."”

-Source: A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

  • Zeus is omnipresent:

“Zeus is the air, Zeus the earth, Zeus all things and what transcends them all. - Aeschylus (525 B.C. - 456 B.C.), Fragments”

-Source: Classical Mythology: Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece and Rome

  • Zeus is everything and more:

“Zeus is the air, Zeus earth, and Zeus the sky, Zeus everything and all that's more than these.”

-Source: The Greek Myths: Gods, Monsters, Heroes and the Origins of Storytelling


Battles

  • Zeus vs. Kampe:

"Zeus ruling in the heights destroyed highheaded Kampe with a thunderbolt, for all the many crooked shapes of her whole body. A thousand crawlers from her viperish feet, spitting poison afar, were fanning Enyo to a flame, a mass of misshapen coils. Round her neck flowered fifty various heads of wild beasts: some roared with lion’s heads like the grim face of the riddling Sphinx; others were spluttering foam from the tusks of wild boars; her countenance was the very image of Skylla with a marshalled regiment of thronging dog’s heads. Doubleshaped, she appeared a woman to the middle of her body, with clusters of poison-spitting serpents for hair. Her giant form, from the chest to the parting-point of the thighs, was covered all over with a bastard shape of hard sea-monsters’ scales. The claws of her wide-scattering hands were curved like a crooktalon sickle. From her neck over her terrible shoulders, with tail raised high over her throat, a scorpion with an icy sting sharp-whetted crawled and coiled upon itself. Such was manifoldshaped Kampe as she rose writhing, and flew roaming about earth and air and briny deep, and flapping a couple of dusky wings, rousing tempests and arming gales, that blackwinged Nymphe of Tartaros: from her eyelids a flickering flame belched out far-travelling sparks. Yet heavenly Zeus . . . killed that great monster, and conquered the snaky Enyo [war-goddess] of Kronos."

-Source: Nonnus, Dionysiaca 18. 237 ff (trans. Rouse)

  • Zeus vs. the Gigantes:

"Zeus also had other wars against the Gigantes (Giants) [after the War of the Titanes], we are told, in Makedonia near Pallene and in Italia (Italy) on the plain which of old was named Phelgraion (Fiery) . . . Now the Gigantes were punished by Zeus because they had treated the rest of mankind in a lawless fashion . . . Zeus, then, we are told, not only totally eradicated the impious and evil-doers from among mankind, but he also distributed honours as they were merited among the noblest of the gods and heroes and men."

-Source: Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 5. 71. 4

  • The War with the Gigantes shook the Earth, The Waters, and the Heavens, as well as shaking Atlas:

"Olympian Zeus himself from heaven in wrath smote down the insolent bands of Gigantes (Giants) grim, and shook the boundless earth, Tethys and Okeanos, and the heavens, when reeled the knees of Atlas neath the rush of Zeus."

-Source: Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 11. 415 ff

  • Young Zeus vs. The Titans:

"[Zeus] in his first youth battered the earthborn Titanes for Olympos, when he was only a boy."

-Source: Nonnus, Dionysiaca 18. 223 ff

  • The Titanomachy, The War between the Olympians led by Zeus and the Titans led by his father Kronos which causes even the infinite primordials to shake:

"The boundless sea rang terribly around, and the earth crashed loudly: wide Heaven was shaken and groaned, and high Olympos reeled from its foundation under the charge of the undying gods, and a heavy quaking reached dim Tartaros and the deep sound of their feet in the fearful onset and of their hard missiles. So, then, they launched their grievous shafts upon one another, and the cry of both armies as they shouted reached to starry heaven; and they met together with a great battle-cry."

-Source: Hesiod, Theogony 617 ff

  • Zeus vs. Typhon, best bits bolded:

"Now after Zeus had driven the Titanes out of heaven, gigantic Gaia (Earth), in love with Tartaros (the Pit), by means of golden Aphrodite, bore the youngest of her children, Typhoeus; the hands and arms of him are mighty, and have work in them, and the feet of the powerful god were tireless, and up from his shoulders there grew a hundred snake heads, those of a dreaded drakon, and the heads licked with dark tongues, and from the eyes on the inhuman heads fire glittered from under the eyelids: from all his heads fire flared from his eyes' glancing; and inside each one of these horrible heads there were voices that threw out every sort of horrible sound, for sometimes it was speech such as the gods could understand, but at other times, the sound of a bellowing bull, proud-eyed and furious beyond holding, or again like a lion shameless in cruelty, or again it was like the barking of dogs, a wonder to listen to, or again he would whistle so the tall mountains re-echoed to it. And now that day there would have been done a thing past mending, and he, Typhoeus, would have been master of gods and of mortals, had not [Zeus] the father of gods and men been sharp to perceive it and gave a hard, heavy clap of thunder, so that the earth gave grisly reverberation, and the wide heaven above, and the sea, and the streams of Okeanos, and the underground chambers. And great Olympos was shaken under the immortal feet of the master as he moved, and the earth groaned beneath him, and the heat and blaze from both of them was on the dark-faced sea, from the thunder and lightning of Zeus and from the flame of the monster, from his blazing bolts and from the scorch and breath of his stormwinds, and all the ground and the sky and the sea boiled, and towering waves were tossing and beating all up and down the promontories in the wind of these immortals, and a great shaking of the earth came on, and Haides, lord over the perished dead, trembled, and the Titanes under Tartaros, who live beside Kronos, trembled to the dread encounter and the unending clamour. But now, when Zeus had headed up his own strength, seizing his weapons, thunder, lightning, and the glowering thunderbolt, he made a leap from Olympos, and struck, setting fire to all those wonderful heads set about on the dreaded monster. Then, when Zeus had put him down with his strokes, Typhoeus crashed, crippled, and the gigantic earth groaned beneath him, and the flame from the great lord so thunder-smitten ran out along the darkening and steep forests of the mountains as he was struck, and a great part of the gigantic earth burned in the wonderful wind of his heat, and melted, as tin melts in the heat of the carefully grooved crucible when craftsmen work it, or as iron, though that is the strongest substance, melts under stress of blazing fire in the mountain forests worked by handicraft of Hephaistos inside the divine earth. So earth melted in the flash of the blazing fire; but Zeus in tumult of anger cast Typhoeus into broad Tartaros. And from Typhoeus comes the force of winds blowing wetly, except Notos (the South Wind) and Boreas (the North Wind) and clear Zephyros (the West Wind). These are a god-sent kind, and a great blessing to men; but the others blow fitfully upon the seas. Some rush upon the misty sea and work great havoc among men with their evil, raging blasts; for varying with the season they blow, scattering ships and destroying sailors. And men who meet these upon the sea have no help against the mischief. Others again over the boundless, flowering earth spoil the fair fields of men who dwell below, filling them with dust and cruel uproar."

Source: Hesiod, Theogony 820 ff (trans. Evelyn-White)

  • Zeus vs. Typhon and Gaia:

"Now as the son [Typhoeus in his battle against Zeus] was scourged with frozen volleys of jagged hailstones, his mother dry Gaia (Earth) was beaten too; and seeing the stone bullets and icy points embedded in the Gigante’s flesh, the witness of his fate, she prayed to Titan Helios (Sun) with submissive voice: she begged of him one red hot ray, that with its heating fire she might melt the petrified water of Zeus, by pouring his kindred radiance over frozen Typhon. She herself melted along with his bruised body; and when she saw his legion of high-clambering hands burnt all round, she besought one of the tempestuous winter’s blasts to come for one morning, that he might quench Typhon’s overpowering thirst by his cool breezes. Then Kronion inclined the equally balanced beam of the fight. But Gaia his mother had thrown off her veil of forests with her hand, and just then was grieving to behold Typhaon’s smoking heads. While his faces were shrivelling, the Gigante’s knees gave way beneath him; the trumpet of Zeus brayed, foretelling victory with a roll of thunder; down fell Typhoeus’s high-uplifted frame, drunk with the fiery bolt from heaven, stricken with a war-wound of something more than steel, and lay with his back upon Gaia (Earth) his mother, stretching his snaky limbs in the dust and belching flame."

-Source: Nonnus, Dionysiaca 2. 540 ff


Orphic Zeus

  • In Orphic Legend Zeus become one with all things:

"So then, [Zeus] by engulfing Erikepaios the Firstborn [Phanes], he had the body of all things in his belly, and he mixed into his own limbs the god’s power and strength. Because of this, together with him, everything came to be again inside Zeus, the broad air and the lofty splendour of heaven, the undraining sea and earth’s glorious seat, great Okeanos and the lowest Tartara of the earth, rivers and boundless sea and everything else, and all the immortal blessed gods and goddesses, all that had existed and all that was to exist afterwards became one and grew together in the belly of Zeus. After he had hidden them all away, again into the glad light from his holy heart he brought them up, performing mighty acts."

-Source: Orphica, Rhapsodies Fragment 167

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This thread could do with some antifeats. I'm pretty sure there's multiple times when Zeus has been tricked, for example (such as Hera seducing him to distract him from something in the Illiad).

Also, Ovid wasn't really "directly quoting and commenting on" Greek beliefs so much as adapting them for literary purposes, being fairly nonreligious himself. Edith Hamilton, in her Mythology, asserts that Ovid actually took Greek mythology less seriously than we do today ("today" in the context being 1942, when attitudes toward the classical world were probably somewhat more reverent than they are now, but still).

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Original Poster1 point · 2 years ago

This thread could do with some antifeats.

Why? Isn't the purpose of a Respect Thread, to show a character at their best like we would use in a fight? There's no real point in listing every showing regardless of power because then we would haven't any idea of what their powers.

Also, Ovid wasn't really "directly quoting and commenting on" Greek beliefs so much as adapting them for literary purposes, being fairly nonreligious himself. Edith Hamilton, in her Mythology, asserts that Ovid actually took Greek mythology less seriously than we do today ("today" in the context being 1942, when attitudes toward the classical world were probably somewhat more reverent than they are now, but still).

This is a legitimate concern however nothing about those feats suggest that they were meant to be taken non-seriously and they were written in a time when belief in the Greek Gods was still very alive. As such I would have assumed personally that it merely is depicting what contemporary beliefs in the character's powers were.

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Might I recommend you use pastebin to tidy this up for a bit? If not that's fine, but if you want to, it can really help make an RT more readable.

I'm not saying it's bad, by the way. It's just a bit hard to navigate.

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Original Poster1 point · 2 years ago

I'm sorry. I will look into that. Can you explain where it is hard to navigate?

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"Creatures?"

"Yes, well, at least, they start out as these small furry animals. And then what happens is that they eat after midnight, and they metamorphose, and they form these coccoons-"

"Peltzer, you're having a psychotic episode. Thank you for sharing it with us."


Little is known on the origins of the mysterious species known as the mogwai. Failed inventor Randall Peltzer found one on a visit to Chinatown, bringing it home to his aspiring artist son Billy as a Christmas gift. Given the nickname Gizmo, the mogwai bonded with Billy before being accidentally splashed with water, which caused him to multiply, bringing five more mogwai into existence. Soon enough those mogwai would metamorphose into gremlins, destructive monsters who stop at nothing but complete and utter chaos. While Gizmo, Billy, and his girlfriend-to-be Kate eventually managed to stop the growing horde of monsters, that wouldn't stop a new batch from being born a few years later in New York City. Luckily the three were there to stop them again.

This is a respect thread for the mogwai/gremlins species, covering all members - both generic ones and specific named ones like Gizmo, Stripe, and the mutated ones from the sequel. I'll be noting which individual gremlins you could probably scale a generic gremlin to, along with detailing how exactly the species functions.

Feats from the first movie will be marked with a 1, feats from the second with a 2.



"Look mister, there's three rules you've gotta follow. Keep him out of the light, he hates bright light - especially sunlight, it'll kill him. And keep him away from water, don't get him wet. But the most important rule, the rule you can never forget, no matter how much he cries, no matter how much he begs... never, never feed him after midnight."

Rule One

Mogwai and gremlins alike have a weakness to light, particularly sunlight, which kills them.

Rule Two

Upon contact with water, they multiply, with new mogwai/gremlins growing from their body. If a mogwai is splashed, new mogwai are made, while if a gremlin is splashed, gremlins are made instead.

Rule Three

If a mogwai eats after midnight, they transform into a gremlin, first forming a coccoon and entering a "pupal stage" before hatching into their new form.

 



Strength
Durability
Speed/Agility
Intelligence

Messing with Machinery

Using Tools

Other

Miscellaneous
Limitations

Note: Weakness to light is included in the Physiology section.

 



The first mogwai we meet, given to Billy Peltzer as a pet by his dad. Uniquely, he's the only one we see to be good-natured and not seek to become a gremlin. You could proabbly say his feats could apply to the average gremlin since they definitely seem stronger than mogwai.

Strength
Durability
Intelligence
Miscellaneous

 

Mogwai Appearance

The leader of the original batch of gremlins created when Gizmo was unintentionally splashed with water. He can be identified by the white stripe on his head, which later became a mohawk of fur when he transformed into a gremlin. You could probably say his feats should apply to all the other gremlins, given that aside from leading the pack he doesn't seem much stronger and only marginally smarter.

Strength
Durability
Speed/Agility
Intelligence
Miscellaneous

 

Mogwai Appearance, Spider Gremlin Appearance

Considered the "reincarnation" of Stripe by director Joe Dante, Mohawk was one of the new batch of four gremlins spawned when Gizmo was splashed with water again in Gremlins 2. He quickly became a gremlin and tortured Gizmo for most of the movie, before ingesting spider DNA and mutating into a spider-gremlin hybrid creature. He would be taken down with a flaming arrow by Gizmo. His feats as a standard gremlin should apply to the others.

Strength
Intelligence
Spider Abilities

 

One of the primary antagonists of Gremlins 2. Given super intelligence and intense loquaciousness by drinking a "brain hormone," he has an inexplicable accent and leads the gremlin horde created inside the Clamp Center.

Intelligence
Miscellaneous

 

A gremlin who drank bat DNA, which mutated it into a winged bat-gremlin hybrid.

Strength
Abilities

 

A gremlin who, after drinking some kind of serum, became living electricity capable of entering electronic devices.

Electricity Powers

 

A gremlin who drank a serum used on tomatoes, mutating him into being part vegetable.

Vegetable-iness

 


"So if your air conditioner goes on the fritz, or your washing machine blows up, or your video recorder conks out, before you call the repairman, turn on all the lights, check all the closets and cupboards, look under all the beds, 'cause you never can tell. There just might be a gremlin in your house."


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Respect Machine God G4 & Machine God G5!

Relevant RTs for scaling


Basic Info
  • Age: N/A

  • Height: 10 m (32'10")

  • Weight: N/A

  • Level: Demon

  • Affiliation: The Organization


Bio

A robot created by the clandestine 'Organization', Machine God G4 was sent to gather data on King's battle capabilities but instead faced down against, and was ultimately defeated by, Genos. Machine God G4 initially appeared as a large humanoid robot, but as its fight with Genos progressed, it shed its outer layers of armour to reveal its much smaller 'true form'. After being defeated by Genos off-panel, Genos took G4's remains to Doctor Stench to provide upgrades for himself.


Equipment

External Exoskeleton


Strength

External Exoskeleton

True Form


Speed and Reflexes

True Form


Durability

External Exoskeleton

True Form

Energy Projection

True Form


Miscellaneous

External Exoskeleton

True Form



Basic Info
  • Age: N/A

  • Height: N/A

  • Weight: N/A

  • Level: Demon

  • Affiliation: The Organization/Monster Association


Bio

Machine God G5 is the next robot following on from Machine God G4 created by the mysterious 'Organization'. It focused more on cutting attacks, using its dual katanas to fight, and like G4, possessed a smaller, 'true form' underneath its initial exoskeleton. Like it's predecessor, it was destroyed by Genos.


Equipment

External Exoskeleton


Strength

External Exoskeleton


Speed & Reflexes

External Exoskeleton


Durability

External Exoskeleton

True Form


Energy Projection

External Exoskeleton


Miscellaneous

External Exoskeleton

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Basic Info
  • Age: N/A

  • Height: N/A

  • Weight: N/A

  • Level: Demon

  • Affiliation: Monster Association


Bio

Royal Ripper was a monster and part of the Monster Association. He was known for his unusually sadistic nature, which even amongst the Monster Association was considered extreme; Phoenix Man states other monsters in the association avoid Royal Ripper due to his especially voracious lust for violence and bloodshed. Nothing is known of Royal Ripper's life before he became a monster, although given his psychotic mindset it seems likely that it was mired in violence, even pre-monsterification.


Relevant RTs for scaling

Strength

Speed and Reflexes

Durability

Miscellaneous
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"You're not a kid. But you're not a grown up either, Dora. You're a teenager. It's a super confusing time. But the fact is, you're right, you can't do it by yourself. Good news, is you have friends now. And together, anything is possible." -Boots the Monkey


Dora was raised by two scientists and explorers in the Amazon Rainforests of Brazil. While incredibly knowledgeable on a number of subjects from survivalism to astronomy and even being very well read in historic literature, Dora was socially awkward as a result of her only friends being her parents and various animals. So she was sent to southern California to live with her cousin Diego and attend high school with normal kids. She largely failed at socializing with her peers, but while attending school, she and some of her classmates find themselves kidnapped by mercenaries who are attempting to track down her parents and find the lost Incan treasure that they're searching for. Now the one in her element, it's up to her to make sure her schoolmates survive the experience while stopping the selfish treasure hunters from taking the prize for themselves.


Strength/Fighting Skill

Speed

Durability

Gear

Other

Boots

Dora's monkey friend who follows her around and sometimes gets into trouble.

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"Your species needs to learn its place, Shepard."

Theme

Saren Arterius is a turian spectre (special agents above the law who are allowed to use any means necessary to protect council space and enforce the council's will) who is considered to be the Council's top agent. He is incredibly ruthless in his methods, not caring about the casualties involved as long as he accomplishes his mission. He also has a hatred of humanity, in part due to feeling they're gaining power too fast and in part due to his brother dying as a result of the first contact war. While investigating a conspiracy on the Batarian homeworld (and sabotaging Spectre candidate Anderson in the process), he learned of an incredible piece of technology known as Soveriegn. As it turned out Soveriegn was a vanguard for the Reapers, an ancient machine race that systematically exterminates sentient life when it grows to a certain point. Saren became indoctrinated by Soveriegn and acted as its agent in bringing back the Reapers.


Index


Hover over a feat to see its source

Pre-Indoctrination

  • Mass Effect: Revelation

  • Mass Effect: Evolution

Post-Indoctrination

  • Mass Effect 1

Additional Context

  • The Art of Mass Effect

  • Mass Effect 2

  • Mass Effect 3

  • Mass Effect: Ascension

  • Mass Effect: Retribution

  • Mass Effect Andromeda: Annihilation


Guns


Mass Effect firearms work by using mass effect fields and electromagnetism to accelerate metal slugs to sufficient velocities and are designed to squash or shatter on impact. A single weapon can hold thousands of rounds, smaller than grains of sand. In general Mass Effect weaponry tear up stone and concrete, and destroy a satelite uplink in a single shot

Firepower

Marksmanship/Skill

Misc


Misc Tech/Abilities


Kinetic Barriers: Kinetic barries create mass effect fields that repel projectiles moving at sufficiently high velocity

Grenades

Biotics: Biotics are the ability to create mass effect fields and manipulate dark energy to produce effects like telekinesis.

Tech Powers

Vehicles

Misc


Physicals


Strength

Speed

Durability

Skill

Misc


Husk Saren


After Saren's death, in a last ditch attempt to take control of the Citadel Soveriegn takes control the implants within Saren, turning him into a husk for one last battle with Shepard.

Abilities

Feats


Paul Grayson scaling


In later Mass Effect novels a human character Paul Grayson is implanted with Reaper technology. His modifications are noted to be very similar to Saren's, so it's possible Saren could at least replicate his physical feats.


"I can't let you disrupt what I've accomplished here. You can't possibly understand what's really at stake"
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Basic Info
  • Real name: Proxima Midnight

  • Species: Unknown

  • Nationality: N/A

  • Height: Unknown

  • Weight: Unknown

  • Powers: Super strength, durability, reflexes, stamina & fighting skill, powerful spear forged from a star

  • Affiliations: Black Order; formerly Butcher Squadron, Cabal


Bio

Proxima Midnight is one of Thanos' infamous Black Order and also wife to Corvus Glaive.

Proxima is a brutal and sadistic woman who takes pleasure in dispensing death and suffering in the name of Thanos. She appears to relish battle, but rather than craving a worthy opponent, it appears to be the act of slaughter and killing that Proxima truly enjoys; she will enjoy killing the innocent and unarmed as much as she would fighting someone who is capable of taking her on even footing. Completely unafraid of pain or death, Proxima is an extremely dangerous enemy to anyone she crosses paths with.

Nothing is known of her origins currently; her species is unknown, as is how she came to cross paths with Thanos & how she developed such an intense bloodlust.


Key to Sources
  • Avengers AV

  • Avengers World AW

  • Black Order BO

  • Guardians of the Galaxy GOTG

  • Infinity INF

  • Mighty Avengers MA

  • New Avengers NA

  • Secret Wars SW

  • Thanos Thanos

  • Thanos: A God Up There Listening Infinite Comic TAGUTL

  • Unworthy Thor UT


Equipment

Unnamed Spear

Other equipment


Strength

Speed

Durability

Fighting skill

Miscellaneous
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Respect Dark Flash

General Information

Name: Walter West, Dark Flash, The Flash

Nationality: American

Weaknesses: n/a

Bio: An alternate universe version of the main timelines Wally West, Walter West is virtually identical to his main universe counterpart. The divergent point for him is that while Wally West saved Linda from Kobra, Walter did not. The loss of Linda lead Walter turning to Savitar for training. After he learn all he could, Walter murdered Savitar, beginning his brutal and violent enforcement of justice in Central City. The main universe Wally would enter his universe, and begin his path back to the side of good. Dark Flash briefly filled in for Wally, as the Flash, when Wally was believed to be dead.


Background
General

Physicals
Strength
Durability
Blunt Force
Other
Healing Factor/Injury Tolerance

Speed


Speedforce Powers
Speed Stealing/Lending
Phasing
General
Non-Combat
Combat
Cyclone Production
Interdimensional Travel
Misc Powers
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General Information

Team Members: Gold, Lead, Iron, Platinum (AKA Tina), Copper, Mercury and Tin

Nationality: American

Weaknesses: n/a

Bio: The Metal Men are a team of superheroes, made by Dr. Will Magnus, using his responsometer. The responsometer works by animating inanimate metal, giving it the characteristic "intrinstic" to that element. Each of the Metal Men are made of a pure element, with a responsometer at their core. Due to this they have very different properties and abilities. They can also fuse together to make Alloy.


Background
General

Gold

Strength
Durability
Shape Shifting
Total Body
Partial Body
Misc

Lead

Strength
Durability
Blunt Force/Piercing
Other
Shape Shifting
Total Body

Offensive

Vehicles

Other

Partial Body
Misc

Iron

Strength
Lifting/Pulling/Pushing
Striking
Other
Durability
Shape Shifting
Total Body

Offensive

Vehicle

Other

Partial Body
Misc

Platinum

Strength
Durability
Shape Shifting
Total Body

Offensive

Vehicles

Other

Partial Body

Copper

Durability
Shape Shifting
Total Body
Partial Body

Mercury

Strength
Durability
Regeneration
Shape Shifting
Total Body

Offensive

Other

Partial Body
Misc

Tin

Strength
Durability
Shape Shifting
Total Body

Offensive

Vehicles

Other

Partial Body
Misc

Teamwork

Strategies
Unique Transformations
Weapons
Vehicles
Other
Alloy
General
Strength
Durability
Shape Shifting
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There is no esper in this world that is stronger than me. I possess the greatest power of them all.


Background

The leader and founder of the international organization of espers bent on global domination, Claw, Toichiro Suzuki is the self-proclaimed most powerful esper on the planet, a title that would not be contested for all his twenty years of preparation and cultivation of his conspiracy, due to the massive breath of psychic ability he possesses.

After long preparations, gathering the world's most prominent espers to collude in bases across the planet, Toichiro would choose Spice City, Japan, as the location for his initial strike against the governments of the world, aiming the flatten his home town as a demonstration of the sheer power he and his lackeys possessed. However, an unforeseen threat to his new world order would emerge in the form of Shigeo Kageyama, one who would challenge him and his formerly immutable place at the top of the psychic food chain.


Battle Bio

Typically relegating combat roles to his army of 600 Espers and his powerful inner circle of the Ultimate Five, one could easily take the impression that Suzuki is not personally suited for combat, instead someone who leads through charisma, and pulling the strings of those more powerful than him in the shadows. However, it isn't that Suzuki is too weak to enter combat himself - rather, the power he wields is so immense that no esper he had fought previous to the events of Mob Psycho 100 had him tap into more that 50% of his vast psychic reserves.

As such, Suzuki begins his battles using far less of his power than normally capable, escalating with more and more of his energy as a battle continues. He doesn't seem to take combat very seriously until he taps into a significant portion of his power, typically demonstrated when he begins to laugh and enjoy fighting a proper equal. Not very much of a combat strategist, Toichiro relies on his overwhelming power to flatten foes.


Note: I will be noting how much of his latent power Toichiro is using in brackets, next to any given feat, or if the feat takes place after the World Domination Arc.

Note 2: Toichiro fights with all of Mob's forms, and scales to and from him due to an extensive battle between the two. See Shigeo Kageyama's Respect Thread for his feats. As Reigen is powered by 100% Mob's powers, he also scales to 1000% Gratitude Reigen's feats.

Note 3: Toichiro is vastly above characters from the Seventh Divsion having effortlessly defeated them in giving them their 'scars'. Therefore, he's well above any feats they have produced.. The same is true for numerous other lesser Espers like Teruki Hanazawa and members of the Ultimate Five.


Strength/Telekinetic Power
Speed/Reactions
Durability/Telekinetic Shielding

Miscellanous/Other Abilities
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"I care not for your wants, daemon. I am seraphim!" BADOOOM "I am sororitas!" BADOOOM "I am the daemonifuge!" BADOOOM


Ephrael Stern was raised in the convent of the Sisters of Battle, a religious sect of all-female battle ready soldiers who combat the daemonic forces of chaos that plagues the universe. Stern, however, found herself as the subject of endless accusations and scrutiny and usually resulting torture or murder attempts due to her seemingly supernatural ability to sense chaos. With this ability, she was thusly chosen by the Screaming Cage, a stitched together container made of the flesh of fallen Sisters that holds their spirits, to carry their full knowledge on how to defeat the chaos.


Weapon Output

Strength

Speed/Agility

Durability

Skill

Chaos Sense

Other

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When the face is a Prune the Action goes BOOM!!!

Prune Face is an Ultra Badass who joined the rebellion after going after a testosterone-fueled rampage filled with violence sex and explosions to destroy the Galactic Empire(though all of this is complete bullshit and he's actually just there to fix their Copier Machine but his lies are pretty cool so here we are).

Strength
Durability
Fire Arm Proficiency
Explosion Manipulation
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Caster of Black is a Servant summoned by the Yggdmillenia clan for the Great Holy Grail War. His True Name is Avicebron, also known as Solomon ibn Gabirol, the Jewish Philosopher who laid the foundations of Kabbalah. As the Caster of the Black faction, he produced Golems for the army of Yggdmillenia, while while using their resources to achieve his wish; the completion of his Noble Phantasm, Golem Keter Malkuth: The Light of Wisdom.

Physicals
Golems

Types, Quality, and Abilities of Golems

Golems in Battle

Magecraft
Parameter

Strength: E

Endurance: E

Agility: D

Magic: A

Luck: B

Noble Phantasm: A+

Class Skills

Item Construction B+

Territory Creation B

Personal Skills

Numerology B

Golem Keter Malkuth
  • Description. (Fate/Apocrypha material - STATUS: Caster of Black, p.026-027)

    • Golem Keter Malkuth: Royal Crown, the Light of Wisdom

    • Rank: A+

    • Type: Anti-Army Noble Phantasm

    • Range: 1-10

    • Maximum Number of Targets: 100 people

    • The Noble Phantasm that Caster could not complete during his life. Imitating Primordial Human, Adam, who, as long as he exists continues to repaint the world with his autonomous Reality Marble. Continues to move, unhindered, even if the maker, Caster, perishes. Is able to receive the blessing of the earth, so that as long as it's feet are on the earth, it cannot be destroyed with any means. After it is born it's body doubles in one hour intervals, the largest size is approximately 1000 meters. Furthermore, to work, it is necessary for a magus to be in the core.

  • Description. (Fate/Apocrypha material - Encyclopedia: Royal Crown, the Light of Wisdom [Noble Phantasm], p.166)

    • Royal Crown, the Light of Wisdom [Noble Phantasm]

    • Golem Keter Malkuth. The Noble Phantasm of Caster of Black, Avicebron. It is not something that he created while he was alive; rather, it is his unfulfilled dream that was turned into a Noble Phantasm. It is an imitation of the “first human Adam”, a Reality Marble which has been given life of its own. Just by stepping on the ground, it is endlessly supplied with prana, and at the same time it encroaches on the surrounding land and turns it into “Eden”. Its full height was fifteen meters at the time of its birth, but this is only the measurement of “when it was born”. As the span of Eden expands, the giant’s size will change and multiple, until it finally exceeds a thousand meters. It is said that “a fifteen-meter-sized giant could be easily defeated by even a Servant with average C rank stats, but as expected, one at the size of a thousand meters would be impossible to kill without a group of first-rate Servants. And, incidentally, the stomachs of the people tasked with covering up it all up would die. The reason Jeanne and the others were so frantic against the giant when it was still fifteen meters tall is because they could tell that the speed of its growth was extraordinary, and if their response had been even a bit slower, the giant would have grown to thirty meters and displayed even harsher resistance.

Activation

Creation of Paradise

Strength

Speed and Skill

Durability and Regeneration

Other Abilities

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Basic Info
  • Age: 37

  • AKA: Biting Snake Fist

  • Height: 179.5 cm (5'10½")

  • Weight: 64.7 kg (142.6 lbs.)

  • Level: A-Class

  • Current Rank: 37

  • Affiliation: Hero Association


Bio

Sneck is the lowest ranked A-Class hero, and despite being a skilled martial artist, he seems to have a feeling of inadequacy due to his low level. Sneck sees the gap between himself and even the bottom of S Class as a monolithic gap, but regardless of that he still continues to fight against monsters, even when he stands no chance of winning, showing that he has a strong sense of selflessness.

Hero Rating
Stamina6
Intelligence6
Justice6
Endurance5
Power6
Popularity5
Effectiveness7
Fighting Ability6
Total47

Relevant RTs for scaling

Martial Arts Techniques and Skill

Speed and Reflexes

Durability

Miscellaneous
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CHUCK NORRIS

"He's got nerves of steel and strength to match" - The Narrator in the intro

A United States government operative who is the boss of a team called the Karate Kommandos. He and the rest of the team work together to stop the evil plans of VULTURE (a group of evil Ninjas who wants to take over the world, lead by "The Claw" and "Super Ninja") and teach kids cheesy lessons.

(Note: Feats with [Zero G] before them take place in outer space, and thus Chuck and all of the bad guys work differently due to the lack of gravity)


PHYSICALS

STRENGTH

SPEED

INTELLIGENCE

DURABILITY

AIM

AGILITY


OTHER

ITEMS

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The strongest demon next to Muzan himself, Kokushibo was a former Demon Slayer who sought to preserve his technique and legacy through immortality, despite being a demon Kokushibo continues to use the techniques of a Demon Slayer doing battle with a Katana and Breaths as opposed to Demon Blood Arts.

Kokushibo's technique, strength and speed are second to none and it required the strongest of the Pillars working together to overcome his monsterous capabilities, and even then only falling as a result of the despair of realizing what he had become after hundreds of years.


Speed
Eyes
Strength
Durability
Swordsmanship

Kokushibo, unlike any other Demon, uses Breaths a special breathing technique that amplifies ones capabilities, most other characters in the series whom use this are all Demon Hunters. Kokushibo specializes in Breath of the Moon, this breath allows him to create shock waves with his sword swings that cut from a distance and create several smaller shock waves that cut as well.

Demon Abilities
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