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LEAK - Confirmed Models Are Re-Used

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3.5k points · 10 days ago
Silver

FUTURE PROOF

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3.4k points · 10 days ago
Gold

Do you guys remember that quote from gaben, like from ages ago?

You have to stop thinking that you're in charge and start thinking that you're having a dance. We used to think we're smart [...] but nobody is smarter than the internet. [...] One of the things we learned pretty early on is 'Don't ever, ever try to lie to the internet - because they will catch you. They will de-construct your spin. They will remember everything you ever say for eternity.'

You can see really old school companies really struggle with that. They think they can still be in control of the message. [...] So yeah, the internet (in aggregate) is scary smart. The sooner people accept that and start to trust that that's the case, the better they're gonna be in interacting with them.

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I mean they are, GF just didn’t use them 😂

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Let’s clarify and point out we aren’t angry they reused assets. We expected them to do that.

We’re mad because they used “better models and animations” as justifications as to why they removed mons from the dex.

Utter bullshit.

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Right, like first the goalposts shifted from "they arent using the same models stop bullying them" to "so what if they're using the same models stop bullying them"

The reality is nobody would give a fuck if they put it all the Pokemon. Hell, they could even get away with that too if they spiced up the animations. The fact that they didnt bother following through with their already questionable justifications (the gamecube games had better animations and that was several consoles ago, they shouldnt need to cut Pokemon to improve the animations in the first place) when people were ready to forgive them is why people are so annoyed

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Adapt!53 points · 9 days ago

Thomas has never seen such bullshit before.

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#GameFreakLied3.8k points · 10 days ago
Silver

This makes the dexit excuse look even more ridiculous than it was

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it was a lie

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RIP my boi (1996-2019)92 points · 10 days ago

At this point I almost feel like they’re trying to piss people off.

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"Please understand, GameFreak is a small indie company." - SwSh subreddit

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Yea, I've got not problem with them reusing models, but to cut what looks to be more than half the dex, a large portion of them being gens 1-3...damn. I'd have given them like, a cut of 1/4-1/3 even, half is just lazy. I'm really starting to regret that digital pre-order.

Hopefully the game is still decent fun regardless, I haven't played a Pokemon game with any vigor since ruby/sapphire, I tried X and really liked Let's Go despite it's dumbed-down mechanics, but Jesus, this is turning into a shit show for the first actual Pokemon entry on the switch.

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Dexit was a PR scheme they came up with to sell everyone Pokemon Home subscriptions. The entire thing is unbelievably scummy.

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So I guess this gives a little more credential to that meeting notes leak thing right? The one that said GF basically botch everything and the Dexit cut excuse was a lie?

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Never Forget The Lost 489‬ Pokemon4.6k points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago
Silver

I knew this was going to happen, it was only a matter of time.

It was a dead giveaway when we saw Gyarados.

Edit:

I used paint to (poorly) overlay clefairy to see if there was a difference (I had to invert it and make the background red in order to post it on discord in a PM for some reason). It's pretty much 1:1 (the tri count is different by 2 tris according to the tri count provided by the person doing all of this):

Here is the picture

2nd edit:

The guy on 4 chan is going through a lot of models and most of them are identical in both number of tris and appearance. Those few models that have been changed (like noibat and scrafty) have been subdivided. With noibat having a smoothing done to its eye. Pikachu got a throat for some reason. Basically any changes made (which are extremely rare to begin with so far) are extremely small with the rest of the models being 1:1 identical. There are several where the tris count is smaller even (probably removing redundant tris) or changed by a really small amount (like clefairy being changed by two)

Again, most models are exactly the same, not even the count is different.

(each one of these words is a hyperlink to an image of a pokemon)

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1.8k points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago
GoldSilver

Edited for even more -

So many publications and defenders now have egg on their face. Game Freak lied. They flat out lied. The animations are the same. The models are the same. They inexplicably cut so much from these games and fans deserve an answer.

GTS? Gone. 60% of all Pokemon? Removed. Same models. Same animations. Even Hau and Hop are the same fucking character. They intentionally CUT CONTENT from these games, and then LIED to all of us about why. Oh, and jacked up the price to $60. And why? What was the reason? The only answer at this point seems to be because they want to sell Pokemon Home subscriptions.

Edit - more models -

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Some people refused to believe it without hard evidence. Ended all discussions with "wait for the data mine to see if they're really the same."

They'll probably try to push the negligible change in tris as them not being the same.

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255 points · 10 days ago

Yup. The better lighting and textures make things look better, but it has always clearly been the 3ds models the whole time. Literally no excuse for 400 missing pokemon. What, they were too lazy to do textures???

level 2

You should have made this a gif of them merging, would have really got the point across to some more stubborn people.

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The aura does make it harder to see though.

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Pikachu got a throat for some reason

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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I do some 3D work myself. Pay attention to when the rigs are found. If they use the same bone definitions, then they're probably going to re-use all the animations on top of the models. There are UV maps, if they look the same it's almost certain they'd re-use textures as well.

I don't blame them, like, I'd fucking hate rigging and animating some of the busier characters but I mean... This isn't some indie project, it's Pokemon. Bigger things have happened with much smaller studios.

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Bulbusaur having a lower triangle count on Switch compared to 3DS = big brain time

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Wait isn't he not in the game, did they keep the models in but not use them?

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If the models are reused, shouldn’t they be the same? Isn’t this evidence they’re not reused?

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6 points · 10 days ago

You actually want as less typography as possible so it doesn't take more memory space. Just saying. Doesn't effect the model much.

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You always want a model to look the best it can with the least triangle possible. So if the Model looks in the end the same but has less triangle then thats a good thing and it got optimized.

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THEY LIED TO US 😭

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gamefreaklied
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Gamefreak betrayed us!

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1.5k points · 10 days ago

I can't believe a datamine was necessary to prove this once and for all... The levels of denial are insane.

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Feels like an out of season April Fools joke481 points · 10 days ago

Seriously. Either they reused the models and lied about making things from scratch ), or did make things from scratch and for some reason made new models that have negligible nearly non-existant changes. Pick your poison. Either way it's still poison.

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176 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

It was pretty clear from the beginning. The lifeless models from the 3DS look exactly the same as the ones on the Switch. If they really had to start from scratch, why would they all be in the exact same position?

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12 points · 10 days ago

To be fair, they’re not known for optimization. It really isn’t unbelievable that a company that made and put a separate model for characters in SuMo would meticulously waste time recreating every model identically.

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Every single one of my friends that are Pokémon fans are buying the game. They don’t care how much evidence I show them that the game isn’t worth $60 and they should not promote GameFreak’s complete sham of a product. One even said the info being leaked is probably from a beta. Smh.

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It was obvious from the beginning. Anyone who argued otherwise was just lying to themselves.

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375 points · 10 days ago

This further helps the theory that Sw/Sh was going to be a 3DS game rather than a Switch game. Why not delay it and improve it like Metroid Prime 4? The team behind the Sonic movie heard and brought on people to help with it.

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159 points · 10 days ago

You cant delay it.

The games are heavily tied in with the card game and the anime releases.

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Or release this game on 3DS then move on

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Hoenn is where the heart is4 points · 10 days ago

But it still doesn't make sense to me, why not just import and reuse all the models from USUM? Why pick and choose, and then not improve on any of those that you do import?

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It’s going beyond theory at this point. This clearly was intended as a 3DS game from the get go.

level 2

I don't care if they pull a BotW and port a game intended for an older system. But don't freaking lie about it.

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1.2k points · 10 days ago · edited 9 days ago

Someone please relay this information to Japan where they need it most (2ch)

Edit: also make #gamefreaklied trend on Twitter. We need to turn the tide against the slander that occurred this past week, and show our side has rational people too

Edit 2: Reminder that some people in Japan want to sue Gamefreak. While I don’t think they’ll get far (because Nintendo lawyers are brutal) I think they should see this. It might be grounds for a lawsuit of false advertising.

Edit 3: We did it boys.

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Absurdly weak to bugs363 points · 10 days ago

I'm sure people on 4chan are already flooding them as we speak

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Why does everyone always jump to this? They have image boards in Japan too lmao

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13 points · 10 days ago

I’m confused as to how this isn’t false advertising. They blatantly lied in their promotional material, doubled down on that lie and integrated it into part of the justification for why they made some of the decisions they did, and show no signs of acknowledging that.

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Man, that post talking about how they messed up the import and had to cut pokemon because of that is looking more and more substantial.

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327 points · 10 days ago

If they messed up the import how were they able to import these just fine?

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And worst part is that if they came out and said that? I know Americans and probably younger generations of most of the rest of the world would be like 'cool... make Ultra better and all'll be forgiven' type of thing. But old ideas of honor and culture says that it's very unlikely that'll happen without someone getting fired. Granted, it got this far, so somebody definitely does if this was the case.

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151 points · 10 days ago

On the contrary, I'd say the models being the same pretty thoroughly debunks that post.

The post in question might be boiled down to two core claims:

  1. The models weren't able to be imported properly, which was the reason for Dexit

  2. Once this issue is resolved for future games, the entire Dex will be back

1 is contradicted by this datamined information, which shows that many models are identical (or nearly identical) triangle-for-triangle, and 2 is contradicted by Game Freak's own claims that Dexit reflects their new policy going forward indefinitely. Spinning information for PR reasons is one thing; knowingly lying about your own policies going forward is another. If Game Freak had the option of truthfully saying "we may bring back the full Pokedex in future titles based on fan demand" they without a shadow of a doubt would have done so.

level 2

But how does that explain the exclusion of Gen 1 Pokémon? They already have the models for the first 151 Pokémon switch-ready because of Let’s Go, yet Gen 1 Pokémon were cut hard from Sword and Shield.

level 2

Even if that story is fake, you can’t deny that they probably fucked up somewhere in the process

Maybe they were going to make new models but some shit went down at creatures inc and this is what happened instead

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4 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

That doesn't really make sense though, the only logical thing to do there would be to fix the importer, not fix the broken models. If that truly is the case, that they were unable to fix their importer, then it would be a far greater demonstration of incompetence and unprofessionalism than anything else we've seen so far.

Edit: I just read the "leak" you were talking about. I'm still not exactly sure I believe it, since as a professional software developer myself, it's hard to imagine that putting hundreds of people to work on recreating art assets that you already have would be faster/easier than just fixing the importer. But maybe they really are that incompetent, who knows.

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So it is literally a fact that Masuda lied.

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Feels like an out of season April Fools joke323 points · 10 days ago

Gamefreak really is the Bethesda of japan at this point. Jesus Christ.

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Kwaak!211 points · 10 days ago

Wait until Pokemon Home. Then they'll be EA.

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Hoenn is where the heart is24 points · 10 days ago

At least Bethesda tried something new with 76 and shat the bed. GF are tripping themselves over in an attempt to replicate something they've done for decades.

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King of the Moone499 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

What does the triangle count mean? I'm not well versed in this.

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703 points · 10 days ago

If you look at the wire frame, you can see that it's made up of a large number of connected triangles. The more triangles a model has relative to its size and complexity, the smoother-looking the model will look in the game, but the more computationally expensive it will be to display. (This can make the game lag or otherwise suffer performance dips.) There are many other factors that affect how an object looks in-game, including the quality of the textures (the "skin" that wraps around the wireframe model and provides its colors) and how the game handles lighting. However, a model with fewer triangles will tend to look "blockier."

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The way the triangles are arranged also determines how the model animates and how the texture maps onto the model.

Normally I honestly wouldn't care if the models and animations are reused, because to be frank, rigging and painting weight onto new, high poly models and animating them is a pain in the ass and a time consuming process. But they didn't even do anything with all the time and money they saved by recycling.

At least whenever I make a game where I reuse my old assets, I do it so I can make something new and cool instead

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Basically anything in computer graphics programming that you see is made from triangles. A circle is made multiple triangles. Every shape is typically made from triangles. Including bulba

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They pissed on our leg and told us it was raining.

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That’s the first I heard an analogy like that

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Yet people will still buy umbrellas from them.

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Absurdly weak to bugs453 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

They've done a ton more. OP should add them in.

http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1573601443280.png - Octillery not updated

http://is2.4chan.org/vp/1573602540245.png - Lucario 7178 both

http://is2.4chan.org/vp/1573602953306.png - Tyranitar 7352 both

http://is2.4chan.org/vp/1573603277023.png - Flygon 6340 both

http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1573604007346.png - Minccino 4696 both

http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1573604477344.png - Gyrados sm 5598, swsh 5546 (few flipped polys)

There are more but they just keep coming.

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Ask me about my Swellow!265 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

Yo dude you might want to re-host these images before the 4chan links expire

EDIT: Imgur album of those images

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428 points · 10 days ago

Duh. That's the main thing that gave credibility to the rumor that gamefreak broke something and fucked up

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115 points · 10 days ago

Yeah, I’m not saying the rumour is true, but it definitely is believable.

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I've not heard this before. Is there any more details that may be credible?

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If anything it disproves the importer rumor. If the model importer was broken then the models wouldn't be the same, would they? I thought the whole point of that 'leak' was that they had to remake models from scratch.

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Wonder what argument people will use now that the main defense is 100 % defunct?

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296 points · 10 days ago

But that does make me wonder, why the cut? Why even bother cutting most of the pokemon, including many fan favourites, if it wouldn't even take much effort to put them in? I wouldn't even care if they just came out and said "we cut them because going forward 1000+ will be a hassle to manage and we decided to rip the band aid off now, sorry if your favourite was removed", yet they keep making excuses that are literally proven false?

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13 points · 10 days ago

"Hey, do YOU know how to port models from one game to another? NO? Then you have no right to complain."

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Don't worry, I'm sure they can always defend the new animati--- oh...

It's almost like they have no defense and will grasp at nothing so they don't look like a crazy person buying $60 garbage.

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121 points · 10 days ago

It's sad the people on Twitter probably still won't believe this.

"Stop spreading negativity. Remember all the good memories you had with Pokemon."

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Dragon Trainer43 points · 10 days ago

I'm literally not getting through with anyone on Twitter. Hell, AustinJohnPlays blocked me when I answered his question about why we were pissed.

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Twitter is a real cess pit of rose tinted thinkers, who will swallow all kinds of bullshit ideology yet rip anyone apart who dares question it.

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So they lied about what they cut pokemon for.

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[Definitely Worthy]41 points · 10 days ago

Well i mean, they lied about a lot of things. What else is new?

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So, they absolutely lied.

This is a half assed 3ds game

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16 points · 10 days ago

Never half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.

We should have had Pokémon switch snap instead of sword shield.

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Is this news? I thought that all the models from Sun/Moon were "future proofed" with new models and high resolution textures so they could continue using them in later games. Or is this just evidence for the people that refused to believe this to be the case?

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It's just hard proof that the "we had to make models from scratch" claims from GF justifying the dex cut were bullshit.

We all already assumed it, but the actual proof just came out.

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The .xci was not worth the storage capacity.56 points · 10 days ago

Hopefully this'll convince the last few holdouts that had already convinced themselves to believe Gamefreak's lies.

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61 points · 10 days ago

I think their plan was more 3ds games but then the switch became popular

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Because developers claimed they remade the models from scratch, some people were in denial that they were re-used.

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The whole dexit cut was excused by GF in order to "make new models and animations", with this it proves they flat out lied to everyone and just made a halfassed cash cow game

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male gardevoirs exist :insertfunnyhahatrapmemehere:498 points · 10 days ago

Let's see how the defenders will defend this

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511 points · 10 days ago

“Your really expect them to make 400~ new models? If it’s so easy you did it. Stop nitpicking”

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King of the Moone216 points · 10 days ago

"He must have gotten a game from an alternate universe where Gamefreak DIDN'T have to remake the models. That's obviously what we're seeing here!"

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Sleep is for th-zzzz53 points · 10 days ago

"The SwSh models have 10 more triangles they're clearly different"

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At this point its not defending, its denial.

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30 points · 10 days ago

Probably the fact it does not make sense to redo the triangle mesh for most Pokémon. They don’t exactly need more polygons (although some did get larger changes)

The model difference is in the textures, lightning and other graphic effects used on those engines.

Will be interesting to see as those leak out, since they are the main thing we have been waiting for. So far the mewtwo vs mewtwo one I saw was very different, and then minor in a second.

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"It will be changed in the day 1 patch."

"It's an anti-piracy feature, real copies will contain the newer models."

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22 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

Well this obviously isn't the final version. We can only judge games the moment they release, even if there are game cartridges that have leaked early that are exactly identical to the game cartridges that will be mailed and sold on release day.

Game Freak can still fix this. It's still in beta.

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Well, for one thing they'll still buy the game.

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Where are these defenders? Everywhere I see it's people very upset, never saw anyone defending yet, especially on reddit.

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What's the best Pokemon and why is it Blaziken?7 points · 10 days ago

"Doesn't matter to me, I didn't like a lot of the Pokemon anyway."

"Doesn't affect me because I play for the story."

"I don't really care, it's Pokemon, so I'm going to play it."

"Whatever lol you guys will make up any excuse to hate this game."

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198 points · 10 days ago

Just when a friend and i thought things couldn't get any worse, people find this kind of information:

I gave the benefit of the doubt to the GTS being removed, it looked too risky for Game Freak to do, yet, here we are:

I wanted to remain positive, i tried and tried and tried, but no matter how hard i try, Game Freak makes it impossible, to the point where i'm thinking about taking a vacation from Reddit as a whole just so my disappointment doesn't keep growing.

We as long time fans don't deserve this, neither the newer generations joining us, this is fucking disgusting and preys on them, as if Game Freak knew children are more vulnerable to these monetization models.

We saw this with Pokémon Masters, Pokémon GO, Mario Kart Tour, even Pokémon Quest and Battle Trozei! This was just a matter of time.

Are 60$ not enough? On top of an online subscription, what else do you wanna charge me for Game Freak!

Sigh... i'm sorry, this is the milllionth time you read these kind of posts, but honestly this is just too much, spread awareness if you want, take this with a grain of salt.

And please, let's hope is just fake, i want it to be fake, but i'm not even sure anymore. I don't want to come across as a sobble, but i think we deserve to know a bit better since this heavily affects the game's integrity.

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They did say it was going to be possible to purchase NSO from within the game, I don't see any reason to assum i's not that, maybe Home too, if it's ACTUALLY microtransactions I'd be almost as shocked as I would be disgusted.

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I want Pokémon to introduce monetization. I want it so bad. Because the internet will likely implode on itself and it will be delicious to relish in all of the chaos.

That aside, it would be so shitty if they actually did that. But maybe if something as big as Pokémon hops on the MTX train then we’ll actually start seeing movements against it.

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7 points · 10 days ago

They are totally going to make raid Pokemon tickets a paid thing, Niantic is making a ton of cash off raid passes, so they want to emulate this in the main line Pokemon games. They'll have a free way of doing a raid or two and then have a cooldown or something unless you throw money at it.

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The thing is that those are free to play games, which while it's scummy, it at least make sense for them to have microtransactions. Sword and Shield are $60us. There's no reason for any mtx in it.

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So.... Gamefreak has been flatout lying, and the proof is right there. Completely intentional lying statement to the general public. What now?

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Decades of joy89 points · 10 days ago

What now? Probably we get even madder, nothing still happens, and we all look back in disgust in 10 years at how swsh and home turned pokemon into an unethical subscription model.

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Dont buy the game. Period. This is a situation that requires people to just walk away. Want to know the story? Catch it on a stream and move on. The idea that as a fan you HAVE to buy it is what businesses want.

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Nothing happens and GF makes a shit ton of money

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Wheres the 4chan link

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Absurdly weak to bugs48 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago
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Totally cancelling my Shield pre-order. While graphics alone don't sway me, the combination of this and everything else from the length of time to complete to the trimmed list of Pokemon, is enough to deter me. If I want it I'll just pick it up later, hopefully on sale, but it really seems a step in a bad direction. What a shame.

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The Angel Lethe15 points · 10 days ago

Buy it used so they don’t get your money

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163 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

My initial reactions.

So Ohmori is full of shit, and the true reason they cut the models is probably for home subs

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Friendly reminder that over half of the Pokémon died for these new models

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New edits of old models that would take under 10 minutes of work to achieve in the worst of cases, are identical in the best and in some are as simple as a couple of clicks.

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You forgot to put "" in front and back of "new models"

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81 points · 10 days ago

ಠ_ಠ for real

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I hate to say this as a lifelong pokemon fan but I REALLY hope these games absolutely flop. Game freak needs to know this is unacceptable. Even the diehards are starting to then and pokemon diehards are some of the most lenient diehards of any fanbase, so this should be VERY alarming to GF

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It won’t. These games will do extremely well and GF will have no reason to improve them in the future. It’s downhill from here, unless a lot of Pokémon fans decide not to buy the game, but knowing the way some of us are I doubt that’ll happen.

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7 points · 10 days ago · edited 8 days ago

I love pokémon, I have since I was a kid. But If with you and hope this hurts GameFreaks fat wallet hard. I wasn’t that personally affected by the cut in pokémon, but the fact that they removed the GTS (which I just learned about from the comments of this post) and the fact they lied to our faces about why they’ve made such stupid decisions has pushed passed my breaking point. I really hate to say this, but if these games end up wing as bad as we think, I might just have to consider hopping ship and declare the series dead moving forward.

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How the fuck does this keep getting worse.

Every day its somthing new. And tomorrow we get reviews.

These games are a freaking shitshow.

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Pokémon Copy and Pokémon Paste

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I freakin knew it. I wouldn’t mind the reusing of models and animations if you know...

The game was actually GOOD

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And they didn't claim them as the reason for massive cuts.

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Flying around at the speed of sound!9 points · 10 days ago

How are they free of criticism for lying to their customers? I hope you are being sarcastic

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You are reading these words20 points · 10 days ago

I had already figured that this was the case based on the models and animations that we'd seen in the trailers, but people were still in denial somehow...well, can't really deny it now that we've got the facts.

Gamefreak have dug themselves into a pretty deep hole and I'm quite sad to see it happen, but at this point they deserve the flood of negative feedback coming for them.

Fuckyougamefreak

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18 points · 10 days ago

That's was so obvious but the defenders had sand in their eyes, understandable...

lol

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11 points · 10 days ago

I don't like sand. It's rough and coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere.

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Oh man it just keeps happening. This will be some interesting weeks for sure. Atleast I'll get some free entertainment out of it, thanks gamefreak for that and saving myself 60 bucks.

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40 points · 10 days ago

Can anyone explain why the models are not EXACTLY the same? Did they alter a few triangles, just so they can say these are not the models from the previous games? Or is this some programming or aestethics issue?

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Optimizing them by removing triangles that aren't needed.

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Either optimization or alterations from importing.

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Justice4Poochyena40 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

Just so nobody loses sight of why this is a problem;

Ohmori claimed that the reason they couldn't reuse the models is because they've completely rebuilt them from the ground-up. The fact that they've reused models is proof that they've lied about that.

I remember there was a flowchart that was floating around a few months back about what should happen when this information was revealed, I need to find it.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/cdvxm4/gf_may_have_put_themselves_in_a_corner_here/

https://i.redd.it/0arxtdsskna31.png

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184 points · 10 days ago

Someone should share this to r/PokemonSwordandShield just to see what happens

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Absurdly weak to bugs88 points · 10 days ago

They'll still defend it. "SEE SOME POKEMON WERE REMADE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TRI COUNTS!" As they ignore 99.7% of the verts line up perfectly.

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Pew134 points · 10 days ago · edited 10 days ago

Oh that would be quite the scene. I bet they’ll try to dismiss it as a nonissue by saying something like “other games reuse models all the time” or “reusing models isn’t a problem.” Just about anything but acceptance. Heck, they could possibly say that they never cared in the first place.

Edit: The results were unexpected. The post wasn’t even allowed there because of spoilers.

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I've been a Pokemon fan for 20 years but I never questioned the name (Probably because when I was 5 I had no idea what "pseudo" even meant.

So yeah I was today years old when I realised a 20 year old pun. Probably common knowledge at this point, but I wanted to share this fun revelation with anyone else who is a little slow on the take like I am lol

There might yet be a tonne of smart translated names that I've yet to get the joke of, feel free to share some if you know any

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https://imgur.com/gallery/txfQo1m

The autumn colors make this look so good, even on a DS. I think this looks better than any Pokemon game on the 3DS, and even most of the Wild Area. It's a perfect combination of just enough detail, and not enough so your imagination can also go wild.

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(Shoutouts to the r/Showerthoughts bot and, in extension, the subreddit owners themselves, for believing this to be a common thought, even though I searched multiple times [and here] to see if this had been submitted before.)

What will Gamefreak/The Pokemon Company do in the year 300,000 when confronted with this universe-shattering conundrum?

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In my opinion this is one of the things holding back the series almost more than anything else. Pokémon will always sell because of its mass appeal and simplicity, and nobody ever stops to ask "can this be done better?" or "what does the field have that Pokémon lacks?". This is not to say that Pokémon needs massive overhauls to its core gameplay – complexity is not necessarily improvement and the mass appeal of Pokémon is a staple – but it is to say that at the very least it should be compared to games that largely fit the same category. Would most people think, from a feature and scope and polish standpoint, the new Pokémon games compare favourably to Dragon Quest or Shin Megami Tensei or Xenoblade? Probably not.

It's not just "a Pokémon game", it's "a AAA JRPG title from one of the world's largest and most profitable studios". I still don't know what magic they pulled to be able to escape that very obvious observation.

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Oh my god.. You crazy bastard. DID YOU JUST USE A TYPE ADVANTAGE!? I CANT BELIEVE THIS THING WHAT YOU DONE! Who told you about type advantages!? WHO TOLD YOU!? Wait a tick did you... DID YOU JUST USE ANOTHER TYPE ADVANTAGE!? YOU’RE INSANE!? IM SO SURPRISED YOU DID THIS THAT I DEFINITELY WONT COMMENT ON IT EVERY TIME WE BATTLE AGAIN!

This ends my Hop appreciation post.

Edit: Thanks for my first ever silver friend, I honestly didn’t think my shitpost about Hop would get this much traction lol

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Some of the cities are aesthetically gorgeous. Pokémon like Corviknight absolutely GRABBED ME. I am so stoked for how cool that dude looks! Being able to change natures and boost stats with Mints & Candies is such an inuititive solution to a generational problem. There are some genuinely hilarious bits of Brit in the localization. Even the Camp & CurryDex, for all the controversy that has occurred in its wake, is such a charming idea.

There is no universe where the creation of THIS MASTERPIECE OF A MAN was not a labour of love.

I don't think anyone goes to GameFreak with the thought process that "I'll just make an OK Pokémon game." Many young people who are getting into Game Development from all corners of the globe did so because Pokémon inspired them to do it! And parts of the game OOZE that level of affection. You can see the bones of a beautiful labour of love, a unique region with a unique take on Pokémon battles.

But... executive meddling? Budget limitations? Poor time management? Strict deadlines? Maybe just senior staff/project leads not giving a shit? SOMETHING(s) went wrong. The good parts of SwSh are like love letters to the franchise adrift in a sea of cut corners, half-realized ideas, and deliberate misinformation/straight up lies from the people above them. It sucks.

I don't really know where I was going with this, honestly! I'm just bummed. My heart goes out to the people on the ground floor at GameFreak who genuinely tried to pour their heart into this only for some other bozos to fuck it up for, let's be honest, what seems to be the scummy upselling of a likely subscription service and to use FOMO to sell next year's game. It sucks for them and for us and I hope whatever wonderful monster(s) at GameFreak designed Manlet Meowth and that boss babe Runegrigus get to work on an actual title worthy of their craftsmanship and the Pokémon name sooner rather than later.

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An interview with a technical artist on Game Freak's website says the following: テクニカルアーティストとして、主に『ポケットモンスター』シリーズのモデル表現周りを担当しています。具体的には、Nintendo Switchに対応したシェーダーの開発や、モデルの仕様決定、過去に制作したモデルを効率よくリファインするための方針決定を行っています。

This translates to “I am a technical artist and I am primarily in charge of model expression for the game series “Pokemon”. Specifically, I work on the development of the shaders for the Nintendo Switch, deciding model specifications, and methods for efficiently refining previously-made models.”

Game Freak source: https://www.gamefreak.co.jp/recruit/interview_02.html

Translation source: https://gaijinhunter.tumblr.com/post/189059638232/my-quest-to-understand-the-pokemon-rage-over-they

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Blasphemy, I know. But I am really liking this game. I’ve been a hardcore fan since I was 6, and Pokémon is one of the few things that followed me into adulthood. With all the negativity I’m seeing, I wanted to be one of the few positive opinions.

Dexit: I honestly didn’t mind. I play for the new Pokémon when I buy these games. Im the kind of person that finishes a game and then sells it back immediately, so I wasnt too hurt about not being able to “Catch ‘em all.”

Short story: This is also personal, but I don’t mind it. As an adult who works 40-60 hours a week, I don’t have the time I used to. It’s refreshing to have a game that I know I’ll complete in a couple weeks, as opposed to a sprawling game I’ll just forget about once life gets too busy.

Difficulty: I made my peace with this long ago. But I am hopeful that the games will get a little tougher as the new generations grow up. Maybe. If not, I don’t mind. That covers everything from the exp share to the hand-holding.

The things I love:

  1. Backpacking through Europe is essentially what you’re doing and I think it’s so cool.

  2. Why weren’t Wild Zones a thing before? I’m spending so much time exploring these things, and it feels like the next step is using these to replace routes.

  3. Pokémon battles as a stadium, spectator-sport is how I always imagined Pokémon. Hardcore fans with body paint, a huge field, televised to the world, etc. I’m so excited to put on my uniform and walk out onto the pitch.

  4. Curry. It’s just fun.

  5. Gigantamax are basically boss battles. I’ve had so much fun raiding the dens.

  6. Clothing. This is one of the best things they ever added and I’m always excited for it. It always feels like there’s never enough clothing options in the games. I always want more and more. I hope this becomes the first Pokémon game DLC just so I can have more clothing.

As a hardcore fan, there’s a lot more I want out of Pokémon games. But I’m actually fine with what we have in SwSh. I’m loving it and can’t wait to play more after work today.

EDIT: additional positive points from u/iprizefighter

• ⁠fast map transport before the first gym • ⁠fast ground transport after the first gym • ⁠Pokemon box link • ⁠namerater and move deleter/rememberer guy in every pokecenter • ⁠the daycare is before the second gym • ⁠Wonder Trading is better because you can do it while actually playing the game • ⁠access to most (maybe all?) Apricorn Balls extremely early (personal favorite QoL) • ⁠ABILITY TO AVOID RANDOM ENCOUNTERS AND TRAINERS • ⁠MASSIVE variety of Pokemon to choose from before the first gym, even larger as you work towards the third • ⁠important items like Everstone very early

EDIT 2:

I want so badly to reply to everyone who is loving the game like I am, but my inbox is filling faster than I can reply. I’m really glad you’re all here, and you should make some posts in the sub.

Also, I’m so glad to see how many of you are playing SwSh as your first Pokémon game. Welcome to a fandom where you’ll have 20 years of content to catch up on! You’re going to love all the games. My personal favorites are X and Y.

I’m trying my best to talk with all of you. Please don’t be mad if I can’t.

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Only excuse I might take for it would be they're not familiar with Switch tech enough to bring it back yet.

Beyond that though - the GTS made Pokemon so much more accessible to those who maybe didn't have a gob of friends with tons of free time to just meet up and trade. Pretty sure it boosted the amount of people interested in Pokemon at the time it was introduced, too. It is just astounding that someone at GameFreak thought this was a wise idea to cut from the game - it literally is like being asked by your school to stop using the Internet for research in this digital age and go back to the library and thumb through the musty encyclopedias for a report.

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My name is Pokémon Champion Leon. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Galar, where all the villas are, and I am undefeated. I work as a Champion for the Galar Region, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't get defeated, but I occasionally I gigantamax my Charizard. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure my Charizard and I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a bowl of warm curry and doing about twenty minutes of Charizard training before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, my Charizard and I wake up without being defeated in the morning. I was told there were no defeats at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life with my Charizard. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me or Charizard to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me and my Charizard happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

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https://imgur.com/a/ksWJv91

*repost due to typo

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https://imgur.com/gallery/akwVTsA

It started couple months ago and now I have really big urge to draw at least one a month.
Using only colored pencils and a lot of patience!

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Something similar to Silver’s story. You break into a pokemon lab, steal a starter, and you get confronted by the professor. He/she lectures you and your first battle is against the games “main character” who picks the starter with the type advantage. You beat them escape and begin working for the evil team and help them steal pokemon/do bad shit. You somewhat complete gym challenge and start to change over time and redeem yourself at the end with a confrontation with your boss and his 4 admins instead of the regions champion and elite 4.

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