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Inside the War to Kill Off 8chan — and Crush QAnon

The founder of the hate-filled message board 8chan Fredrick Brennan now wants to take it down, to stop the pro-Trump conspiracy QAnon.

by David Gilbert
Oct 18 2019, 2:48pm

For the past week, a battle has been raging in the dark corners of the internet. It’s a fight between the owners of the hate-filled message board 8chan, who are trying to revive the controversial website, and the site’s founder, who's doing everything in his power to keep the site — and QAnon — offline.

Ever since 8chan was de-platformed in August, in the wake of the El Paso mass shooting, the company that owns the site, NT Technology, has been promising to bring it back. Last week it unveiled 8kun as the successor to 8chan, and it's been trying to get its old users back on board.

In recent days, 8kun.net has briefly flickered online before disappearing again, thanks mostly to the work of 8chan founder Fredrick Brennan, who has been pressuring hosting and networking companies to drop support for the site.

Brennan is clear about why he never wants 8chan and 8kun to come back online: QAnon.

“One of the reasons I am trying to get this done, preemptively, is so that QAnon cannot come back,” Brennan told VICE News from his home in the Philippines. “It is critical that 8kun does not come back at all, in any form, for any length of time.”

The conspiracy theory's mysterious leader “Q” told his followers that his communications would never occur outside of 8chan and that 8chan was the military's chosen platform for leaking intel.

So when 8chan went offline in August, the QAnon community was left adrift. Brennan fears that if 8chan is revived as 8kun, it will allow the insidious QAnon conspiracy theories, which have been embraced by President Donald Trump’s right-wing MAGA supporters, to spread online, possibly to other “free-speech” platforms like Gab and Voat.

QAnon supporters regularly appear at Trump’s rallies, and the FBI has warned that the movement could inspire domestic terrorists.

“I don't want there to be any more Q drops. I think the whole Q thing is awful and should stop,” Brennan said.

8chan was taken offline in August because, in the wake of the El Paso Walmart shooting, web infrastructure companies like Cloudflare refused to host the website.

The man suspected of conducting the massacre in the El Paso Walmart on Aug. 3 posted a four-page rant to 8chan attempting to explain his actions. In March, the man who allegedly killed dozens of people at two New Zealand mosques posted a screed to the site just before the attack. Weeks later, the suspect in the shooting at a synagogue in Poway, California, did the same.

READ: 8chan has been taken offline again

NT Technology and 8chan are owned by Jim Watkins and run by his son, Ron Watkins. Since August, they have been working to get 8chan back online, telling Congress in September that it would only reappear when he was “able to develop additional tools to counter illegal content under United States law.”

The name of the new site appears to be an attempt by Watkins to show he is fulfilling that promise.

In Japanese, the suffix “chan” typically refers to a child, while “kun” typically refers to a young man. However, Brennan described 8kun as “lipstick on the 8chan pig,” saying Watson's decision to ask all old 8chan board owners to come back shows that nothing has changed.

In a series of off-the-wall videos posted on YouTube this week, Jim Watkins said he was aiming to get the site live by Thursday, Oct. 17, but that effort failed when a UK-based provider he had been using, Zare, dropped support.

“We are not willing to provide services to 8chan or 8kun,” Zare spokesman Harry Beasant told VICE News. “We have had no contact with anyone called Jim Watkins. I can only assume the details used when they signed up were fake, which is why we were not aware they were on our network until informed.”

READ: 8chan is back from the internet grave — and it has a new name

On Friday, NT Technology revealed a new strategy to try and get 8kun back online and keep it there.

In the early hours of Friday morning, 8kun.net came online briefly, and analysis of its traffic shows that it was being routed through the cloud computing services of Tencent and Alibaba, two of China’s biggest tech companies.

Ron Watkins told VICE News that Canadian company VanmaTech is now providing hosting services for 8kun, and said that he had no say in where they rout the traffic to and from the site. “I have no input in how they setup their routing, but it now seems to be much more robust than a few days ago.” VanmaTech did not response to a request for comment.

The irony of the operators of a free-speech website using servers based in the world’s most heavily-censored online spaces was not lost on Brennan.

“All posts, and all IP information, everything, are going to be sent directly to the Chinese Communist Party because that is a requirement of a Chinese ISP,” Brennan said.

NT Technology, Alibaba and Tencent did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

READ: The Epstein scandal is giving QAnon everything Pizzagate couldn't

As of Friday morning, 8kun.net remains inaccessible. With China’s censorship apparatus likely to kick the website offline without any pressure from Brennan, it is unclear where the operators of the site can turn next.

But, as the pivot to Chinese cloud services has shown, Jim and Ron Watkins appear willing to try anything to get their website back online.

"I don't think I have ever seen it done before and I've seen a lot of different stuff, I've watched all their moves, trying to avoid deplatforming,” Brennan said. “I've never seen them hop through China cloud computing — I guess because the idea sounds so ludicrous on its face.”

Cover: David Reinert holding a Q sign waits in line with others to enter a campaign rally with President Donald Trump and U.S. Senate candidate Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pa., Thursday, Aug. 2, 2018, in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

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8chan Is Back from the Internet Grave — and It Has a New Name

The message board has a new name and a new URL, but it will welcome back all the users that made it a hub for hate speech and extremist conspiracy theories.

by David Gilbert
Oct 9 2019, 1:13pm

Jim Watkins/YouTube

The owners of 8chan, the defunct message board that was filled with hate speech and hosted the rants of at least three mass shooters, are preparing to relaunch the site under a new name — and they want their old hate-speech enthusiast users to sign up.

The site is set to be rebranded and relaunched as 8kun, and its owner, NT Technology, is calling on the operators of the old message boards on 8chan to contact them in order to get them back up and running.

In a tweet on Wednesday, the operators said: “If you were previously a Board Owner on 8chan, please email us at admin@8kun.net with your shared secret if you are interested in migrating your board to 8kun.”

The “shared secret” refers to an account-recovery system that includes a randomly generated password given to board owners only once. If their board gets hacked, the admins could send the password to 8chan's admin to regain control of the board.

8chan was taken offline in the wake of the El Paso shooting in August, because web infrastructure companies like Cloudflare pulled their support.

The man suspected of conducting the massacre in the El Paso Walmart on Aug. 3 posted a four-page rant to 8chan attempting to explain his actions. In March, the man who allegedly killed dozens of people at two New Zealand mosques posted a screed to the site just before the attack. Weeks later, the suspect in the shooting at a synagogue in Poway, California, did the same.

So far very little is known about what Jim Watkins, owner of NT Technology, and his son Ron, who was 8chan’s administrator, are planning with 8kun.

The official Twitter account of 8kun posted a Hollywood-style video on Sunday revealing the 8kun name and logo (a snake in the shape of an 8) with the video featuring flames, thunder and lightning, and some very dramatic music.

The name appears to be an attempt to show the website is growing up. In Japanese, the suffix “chan” typically refers to a child, while “kun” typically refers to a young man.

The new website is offline, but it has been registered with Tucows, the same company that banned 8chan in August. Tucows told VICE News that it was unaware of the situation and was looking into it.

READ: How 8chan was born — and became the worst place on the internet

Ron Watkins, who has been periodically promising a return for 8chan in recent months, tweeted on Sunday: “After a few weeks of building new groundwork to better protect user privacy and security, we are now in the final stretches before getting things back online. Beta testing of infrastructure in progress — verifying and confirming that all systems are functioning as expected.”

In September, in response to 8chan’s role in the series of mass shootings, the House Homeland Security Committee subpoenaed Jim Watkins to testify in a closed-door session, which lasted for hours.

READ: 8chan’s owner will tell Congress his site is about Video Game Tips and 'Down-Home Recipes.' Oh, and Mass Shootings.

In a prepared statement submitted to the committee, Watkins said 8chan “may come back online, but only when 8chan is able to develop additional tools to counter illegal content under United States law.”

Fred Brennan, the estranged founder of 8chan, calls the rebuild and re-brand effort a cynical attempt to make people think 8kun is completely different than 8chan.

Brennan says he doesn’t think a lot of people will sign up, but says that the success of 8kun hinges on the return of the QAnon crowd.

QAnon, a wild conspiracy theory that revolves around the claim that deep-state liberal elites are running a child sex trafficking ring, has captured the imaginations of President Trump’s most ardent MAGA supporters. QAnon supporters regularly appear at Trump’s rallies, and the FBI has warned that the movement could inspire domestic terrorists.

The conspiracy theory's mysterious leader “Q” told his followers that his communications would never occur outside of 8chan and that 8chan was the military's chosen platform for leaking intel.

So when 8chan went offline in August, the QAnon community were left adrift.

“I expect one of his first "drops" on 8kun will be to post a key so that “Q” can use other platforms in the future,” Brennan said. “That's why, if you ask me, it's so crucial that 8kun never be allowed to fully come online — if it does, QAnon can spread. Without it, QAnon is essentially dead.”

Cover: Jim Watkins/YouTube.

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8chan’s Owner Will Tell Congress His Site Is About Video Game Tips and 'Down-Home Recipes.' Oh, and Mass Shootings.

Jim Watkins was called to testify because his website has played host to the racist screeds of at least three mass shooters this year.

by David Gilbert
Sep 5 2019, 10:54am

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Jim Watkins, the owner of the hate-filled message board 8chan, will give evidence to Congress Thursday after being subpoenaed by the House Homeland Security Committee.

Watkins will tell the committee that his website is about preserving democracy and countering repressive regimes, a place where classic video games are shared and “down-home recipes are traded.”

Oh, and, every now and then, someone shares the details of their plan for a domestic terror attack.

Early Thursday morning, Watkins published his opening address to the committee, in which he described the website he has run with his son Ron since July 2016:

“[8chan is] a one-of-a-kind discussion board where anonymous users shared tactics about French democracy protests, how to circumvent censorship in repressive countries, and the best way to beat a classic video game. In this hodgepodge of chaotic discussion, down-home recipes are traded, sorrows lifted, and a small minority of users post hateful and ignorant items,” Watkins says in his prepared statement.

What Watkins didn’t mention is the reason he's been called to give evidence to the committee.

READ: 8chan extremists are going dark. Here’s why that’s dangerous.

“This is at least the third act of white supremacist extremist violence linked to your website this year,” Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) and ranking member Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Alabama) wrote in a letter to Watkins last month, in the wake of the El Paso mass shooting. “Americans deserve to know what, if anything, you, as the owner and operator, are doing to address the proliferation of extremist content on 8chan.”

The committee was referring to the fact that, moments before the massacre in El Paso on August 3, the suspect posted a four-page rant to 8chan attempting to explain his actions. In March, the man who allegedly killed dozens of people at two New Zealand mosques posted a screed to the site just before the attack. Weeks later, the suspect in the shooting at a synagogue in Poway, California, did the same.

READ: Congress Wants to Talk to 8chan's Owner About Extremism. He Says He's Too Busy.

Watkins’ statement does address the three incidents, giving detailed descriptions of the amount of time each of the posts remained on 8chan. He says the site relies on a global network of human moderators, rather than algorithms, to flag and delete content.

He claims that so far in 2019, the site has deleted 92 discussion boards, banned 47,585 users and deleted 132,874 comments, while also complying with 56 U.S. law enforcement requests.

Watkins also claims in his statement that the site “is offline voluntarily” at the moment, though he again failed to mention the fact that the site was taken offline in the wake of the El Paso shooting because web infrastructure companies like Cloudflare pulled their support.

Watkins says his website “may come back online, but only when 8chan is able to develop additional tools to counter illegal content under United States law." These tools include a way to restrict certain parts of the website during a state of emergency, such as a mass shooting.

This would see certain boards put in a read-only mode until it is deemed safe enough to enable posting again.

Watkins’ son Ron tweeted last month that the site would be offline until “at least September 5.”

READ: "Nobody really knew him": Everything we know about the suspected El Paso shooter

Watkins will give evidence to the committee behind closed doors on Thursday, and he will be talking to committee staff members staff rather than directly to lawmakers. A transcript of his evidence is expected to be released later on Thursday.

For the hearing, Watkins said he has retained the services of lawyer Benjamin Barr, who is heavily involved in the right-wing Project Veritas group.

Cover: Jim Watkins/YouTube.

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How 8chan Was Born — and Became the Worst Place on the Internet

“Real life stopped mattering to me,” says founder Fredrick Brennan.

by Elle Reeve
Sep 5 2019, 12:20pm

The imageboard 8chan is now known as the website where mass killers in New Zealand and El Paso shared their racist ideologies, but it didn't start that way. It began as a haven for free speech — or at least that's what its founder believed it to be.

Fredrick Brennan created 8chan in 2013, when he was 19. It was a lot like 4chan, another imageboard created by another teenager 10 years earlier, but it allowed users even more freedom.

The original premise for both was simple: Users could upload photos while others commented with text or images of their own. Everyone was anonymous. Posts were deleted after a few days. The effect was that no single user could become famous. Everyone had equal power.

But it also meant that if you missed a day, you missed a meme. The lack of archives rewarded the most obsessive users. It created a cultlike subculture. 4chan became known as the dark heart of the internet — a place to find weird porn, graphic violence, the darkest jokes. 8chan went even darker.

To understand how a person could be angry enough to create a place like 8chan, you have to understand his life. Brennan has osteogenesis imperfecta, a congenital disease that makes bones curved and weak. Brennan says he has broken a bone more than 100 times.

“Everything about him — just the way he presented himself — on the inside, you could tell he was a broken child.”

Brennan couldn’t walk, and he played on the ground as a kid. But by age 13, his right arm had broken so many times that he risked losing the use of it, so he decided to stay mostly in his wheelchair. The internet was an escape. He discovered 4chan when he was 12. “I was mesmerized,” Brennan said. “4chan was nothing like anything I’d ever seen.”

He found a perverse satisfaction in seeing people using words like crippled. No one had ever called him that, but he thought, “This is what people are really thinking, and they’re lying in real life.”

He decided to retreat into the online world, where he initially kept his disability secret. “When I started using 4chan heavily, my whole life became about the internet,” he said. “And my real life stopped mattering to me.”

Fredrick had a difficult relationship with his father, and when he was 14, his father put him and his younger brother, who is also disabled, into foster care. “I just reached my breaking point,” David Brennan said.

The brothers ended up in a group home. Their caseworker, Melisa Rehrauer, said she knew Fredrick was very smart the day she met him. But he didn’t want to be looked at, and he let his hair hang in his face. “Everything about him — just the way he presented himself — on the inside, you could tell he was a broken child,” she said.

They weren’t allowed to go online in the group home. So Fredrick saved his money and bought an iPod touch. He then cracked the Wi-Fi. The device was clumsy, “but it was mine and I could go on 4chan and nobody could know,” he said.

“You have to be a free speech absolutist if you want to be an 8chan admin because if you're anything else, you're gonna get burned at the stake.”

Rehrauer helped the brothers move back in with their mom when Fredrick was 16, and he continued essentially living online. In 2013 he became the administrator of Wizardchan, a site for adult male virgins. A woman reached out to Fredrick, saying she had a devotee fetish, meaning a fetish for people with disabilities. She flew to New York to meet him.

Being with her improved his self-esteem, he said, but that in turn damaged the relationship, because her fetish was for him to be sexually shy and insecure. Brennan later told friends in a group chat that he’d taken her to get an abortion, and that it was therapeutic, because “I wanted to have been aborted as a baby.”

The relationship, in his telling, did not end well. But the woman had given him a set of new experiences that would shape the rest of his life — particularly psychedelic mushrooms. The mushroom trip was the first time he accepted the fact that he would always be disabled, and that it was OK. As he was coming down, he dreamed up 8chan. Days later, Brennan set it live.

The site was a modest success until Gamergate. Gamergate was the moment in 2014 when internet trolls figured out how to act as a political movement. They claimed to be demanding “ethics in video game journalism,” but the core of their activism was harassing female game developers and critics. They threatened women, posted their personal information online, and sent SWAT teams to their homes.

After a few weeks, 4chan banned Gamergate. Brennan seized the opportunity. “I looked at Gamergate very cynically,” he said. “I didn’t care about the ethics. And I didn’t care about the women ... I just cared that this is bringing users to my site.”

It worked. And Brennan stepped into the persona of internet bad guy, lord of the trolls. 8chan was a truly free public forum, with no limits except what was illegal. Ideas would do battle, and the best would rise to the top. Asked in an October 2014 interview if 8chan was a safe haven for nihilism and misogyny, Fredrick responded, “Imageboards are a haven for all of the terrible things you listed, and that's exactly what makes them such wonderful places. I wouldn't change a thing … It is humanly impossible for us to monitor everything,” and the law said he didn’t have to.

Fredrick says now, “You have to be a free speech absolutist if you want to be an 8chan admin because if you're anything else, you're gonna get burned at the stake.”

Further establishing his free speech credentials, he wrote an essay advocating for eugenics for the premier neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer. He said people with genetic diseases should be paid to be sterilized. “I suggest we start with the ones that cause osteogenesis imperfecta: COL1A1 and COL1A2,” he wrote. He noted that he wasn’t a Nazi, but the Daily Stormer was the only site that would publish the essay.

“Here's how I see it,” Brennan said. “At the time, the whole world hated me. Who could blame them? I was technically not breaking any laws, but something about what I was doing felt wrong to almost everyone. I feel like I wrote the article to say… Yes. you hate me and 8chan, but it's your shitty capitalist structure and milquetoast fear of genetic science that brought me here.”

In 2014, Brennan sold 8chan to an American businessman in the Philippines, but he stayed on as a site administrator. He moved to Manila, where he could afford a home health aide. In April 2016, Brennan quit 8chan but kept working for the company that owned it. In December 2018, he quit that too. He’d started going to church with his aide, and met a woman there. He converted to Christianity, and they married on Valentine’s Day. In recent months, 8chan got around 15 million unique visitors each month, according to Similarweb.

Brennan began denouncing 8chan in March after a gunman killed 51 people in two New Zealand mosques after posting a white supremacist manifesto on 8chan. But when we spoke in Manila in May, he still wasn’t sure that if he knew then what he knows now, he wouldn’t have founded it. When the El Paso shooting happened in early August, the third mass shooting this year in which the gunman shared his plans on 8chan, Fredrick began more explicitly calling for 8chan to disappear and never return. This drew attention from media worldwide, and from trolls.

They tried to post his address, and sent him images of him being pushed down the stairs. “I didn't create online harassment,” he said. “This has all been going on way before I came of age, but in a way, I kind of deserve it, don't you think?”

Animations by Cartuna.

This segment originally aired September 4, 2019, on VICE News Tonight on HBO.