212a1f (26) No.915292[Last 50 Posts]>>915350 >>915365 >>915404 >>915725 >>915862 >>915962 >>915980 >>916200 >>920701 >>920743 >>920806 >>920882 >>920903 >>923058 >>923535 >>923583 [Watch Thread]
Hey, I'm sorry I know this isn't 100% /pol/ related but I'd like to get your opinions on this.
I succesfully finished my first year of engineering and I'm now half way through my second year. I know I can finish it if I put my mind to it, but I don't know if I want to. I have almost no motivation to continue this study and I find most of my cources pretty uninteresting.
After I finished high school I wanted to join the army. I went to my mentor but she told me she thought it'd be a bad idea, because I didn't seem like the "type" who'd join the army. My parents told me the same thing and they talked me out of it. Now I just find myself absolutely bored with my current study and I'm thinking about quiting it to join the military. Maybe finish my study so I can join the military at a higher rank.
(I'm Dutch btw)
Is there anyone here with military experience? How do you guys feel about joining the military in general?
>inb4 becoming a kike pawn
212a1f (26) No.915316
One major concern I have is the budget cuts.
bf62ff (11) No.915319>>915358 >>915374
No military experience but I'm in a similar position as you.
I'm about to finish my accounting degree up here in Canada and at best, I'll end up with a shitty stressful office job. With all the Cultmarx going on, it's hard for a white male to find work in any field.
I'm considering joining the reserves part-time to start, but haven't told my parents yet.
To me it'll be a great way to build confidence, get in shape, and have something great on my resume.
Go for it, anon, don't give two fucks what anyone else says. I'm probably going to do the same.
0034a2 (4) No.915346>>915355 >>915358
>. I went to my mentor but she told me she thought it'd be a bad idea, because I didn't seem like the "type" who'd join the army. My parents told me the same thing and they talked me out of it.
They're probably right, it takes a certain type of person to fit into the military. Seeing that you're here, you probably don't fit that type.
96a429 (2) No.915350>>924047
>>915292 (OP)if you're willing to die for israel go ahead
96a429 (2) No.915355>>915386
>>915346>everyone on the chans has to be an autistic fuck 212a1f (26) No.915358>>915386 >>915388
>>915319The smartest thing for me to do would be to finish my boring study and to join the army afterwards, so I've got something to fall back on. I'm only 19 years so I've still got plenty of time.
>>915346What kind of person would you mean?
b225dd (1) No.915361
I'm in the same boat but I've chosen to complete my degree (Computer Science). I guess there is always OCS
8b68f2 (1) No.915365>>915382
>>915292 (OP)Prior US Marine Infantryman here. Stay in school and finish… Then if you still want to go in sign up as an officer.
bf62ff (11) No.915374>>915388 >>916045
>>915319Indeed. I'm not sure how it works where you live but in Canada you can become an officer right away if you have a bachelor's degree.
65f6ce (1) No.915377
Listen up you lot. I trained as a Royal Marine. My advice. Finish degree. The military will always be there, it is harder to get out and go study when you are older. If you leave later - and you will, you leave with a degree and experience. Both over one or the other is always superior. Not to mention faster rank attainment and higher pay. Go officer if possible. Trust me.
212a1f (26) No.915382
>>915365I don't know how much difference there is between officers in the US and in The Netherlands, but how much fieldwork will you be doing as an officer? I don't want to join the army to get a job where you'll be sitting behind a desk most of the time.
0034a2 (4) No.915386>>915602 >>923113 >>923610
>>915355Everyone on the chans complains about everything and creates drama over what are the slightest banalities to the average person. That won't do in the military.
>>915358Someone with an intrinsic drive to do, someone with thick skin and control over his emotions. People with ADHD, while rebellious in school often join the army.
bf62ff (11) No.915388>>915422
>>915374this was supposed to be a reply to this
>>915358 7e850c (1) No.915404>>915432 >>920731
>>915292 (OP)never having served, i can say judging from what I've seen that if you have any humanity or sense you will lose it having served.
there's a reason why there's so many homeless veterans, you're essentially getting paid to murder people under the pretense of a phony war. Unless you're some moron who can dissosiate from that and suck up all the propaganda into your head, I think you're going to seriously regret it. And it's not really possible to change you're mind once you're in it.
212a1f (26) No.915422
>>915388Same here. But then again, I'm not sure how much fieldwork you'll get to do as an officer. The reason for my lack of motivation towards my study is because I've got no idea what I'm going to afterwards. Maybe making the decision to join the army afterwards will motivate me by giving me a goal.
bf62ff (11) No.915432>>915444 >>920738 >>923032
>>915404
>implying the Netherlands will be involved in any conflict
>implying he won't just join the reserves and reap the benefits while being exposed to none of the risks 212a1f (26) No.915444>>915462
>>915432If I'm joining I'm not just going to stick with the reserves
bf62ff (11) No.915462>>915469
>>915444Why not? That way you can still be a badass but won't be cannon fodder if war breaks out with the kebabs
212a1f (26) No.915469>>915483
>>915462But then I won't get to remove the kebabs :(
bf62ff (11) No.915483>>915491
>>915469The next best thing, plus you can eat these kebabs
212a1f (26) No.915491>>915498
>>915483Reserves rarely get deployed so what would be the point? I'm not joining the army to not get deployed.
bf62ff (11) No.915498>>915522
>>915491Not getting killed is a bonus
212a1f (26) No.915522
>>915498I'm sure /pol/ knows kebab tactics. We'll be fine.
f737dc (1) No.915523>>915544
it depends, are you american?
212a1f (26) No.915544
>>915523No like I said, I'm Dutch.
a749ae (4) No.915552
British here, I suggest you look to join the reserves while still at university to sample the life.
The British broshure is here if anyone is interested.
http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/TA_Officer.pdfIn the British Army you can take a short commission of 3 years to get the training and life experience, and this can be extended.
95ce1f (1) No.915556>>915566 >>920817 >>923974
You should only join the army if you absolutely support the foreign policy of your nation to the extent that you're willing to die for it.
Seems hard to believe in the foreign policies of any nation these days. I love Canada but I sure the fuck wouldn't die in some thirdworld shithole for Harper.
bf62ff (11) No.915566
>>915556hence joining the reserves
7d4b4b (1) No.915725>>915770 >>915898
>>915292 (OP)>listening to mentor ;fine >mentor is a woman This is where you went wrong anon . Women give shit advice.
212a1f (26) No.915770
>>915725That's one way to put it.
10038d (1) No.915844
>ITT civilians and POG boot faggots.
Do whatever you want, OP. if you can't hack it, you'll wash out anyway.
95267f (6) No.915862>>915945
>>915292 (OP)British military here, combat medic
It's good as long as you join to do what you want. I'm currently considering transferring because the job at the moment is completely boring and I don't like it at all. Want something with action.
f6abec (4) No.915898>>915966
>>915725lel this. also why would you listen to a person who uses logical fallacies?
her claim: it's a bad idea
how she supports her claim: you don't seem like the type (another claim)
opinion status: trashman.jpg
autism aside, just go and ask someone who actually joined the military around your age.
b30c28 (1) No.915944>>915971
95267f (6) No.915945
>>915862Adding to this, I wanted to join the RM when I was 16, and teachers at highschool and family talked me out of it and convinced me to go to university. I went when I was 17 and fucking hated it (psychology lel), and left after a year there. I applied to the RM again and got fucked about by them, lost heart and family talked me out of it again and looked at uni.
Fast forward a few years, I ended up in the military anyway.
>protipIt's your life, not anybody elses. My biggest regret in life is not joining at 16. Instead I joined at 22 after spending 6 years of shit jobs, unemployment, general neetness, joining a gang, abusing drugs, fighting etc etc when I could have been doing what I wanted.
fd3fe0 (1) No.915962
>>915292 (OP)You're experiencing a college burnout. Happened to me as well, though it was because I didn't know what to do and I kinda felt like I fucked up in the long run anyways, which caused me to require another year.
Personally I wouldn't bother with the army unless you have something to gain from it. If you are just a floater thinking that they'll shout you into shape then you're gonna have a bad time.
0034a2 (4) No.915966>>916181
>>915898How is stating that someone is not the type for an occupation a fallacy?
As if you have any knowledge about people.
95267f (6) No.915971>>915979
>>915944Ignore shit like this, almost none of this is relevant to European armies.
bf62ff (11) No.915979>>916006
>>915971Or Canadian Army, r-r-right?
0f5d8b (1) No.915980
>>915292 (OP)OP I would really consider finishing your degree and becoming an officer.
I know you don't want to sit behind a desk all day, but there is nothing guaranteeing you that if you just enlist as a basic soldier that you won't get the same.
I thought the same thing when I was younger, enlisted after high school in the Navy. Every day I was kicking myself in the ass and telling myself that I should've went to college instead and become an officer before coming in.
95267f (6) No.916006
>>915979Not sure on that but as a general rule commonwealth armies are alright. This shit is US military-centric
bd2919 (4) No.916045>>916073 >>916096
>>915374There are VERY limited officer positions that open up yearly. You gave to compete with people who finished their masters or just graduated 4 years of military college. The chances of you becoming an officer off the street with a BA are astronomically low.
285601 (8) No.916073>>916096 >>916104
>>916045Depends on what trades you apply for.
I'm going in Direct Entry for Infantry Officer on Saturday with only my BA
bf62ff (11) No.916096>>916111 >>916117
>>916045>>916073what about Logistics Officer?? Do you know anything about that?
bd2919 (4) No.916104>>916131
>>916073What regiment? Also, what do you mean 'going in'? You mean your CFAT, or BMOQ?
bd2919 (4) No.916111
>>916096They have two slots this year in Edmonton for that trade.
285601 (8) No.916117>>916175
>>916096It depends on what degree you have.
I wanted to have MP as my 2nd choice but couldn't because I didn't have a sociology degree.
Logistics might need a specific degree. I'd ask your local recruitment center
285601 (8) No.916128>>916150
BMOQ
I'm not sure what regiment yet.>>916104
285601 (8) No.916129>>916150
BMOQ
I'm not sure what regiment yet.
285601 (8) No.916131>>916150 >>916194
>>916104BMOQ
I'm not sure what regiment yet.
Should I know?
a749ae (4) No.916138>>916286
Applying for Reserve Officer, British Army, Royal Engineers.
Is this a silly idea?
Also to those enlisted, is it really that bad for you guys?
bf62ff (11) No.916175
>>916117I have an accounting degree
f6abec (4) No.916181>>916283
>>915966>As if you have any knowledge about people.you answered your own question. if you state that someone is not the type for a job then you should be able to justify your statement by explaining what you mean and sharing your expertise on the matter.
also her statement was "it's a bad idea" justified by another statement "you're not the type". if she knew what the fuck she was talking about then she would've said "it's a bad idea, because in the military blah blah explanation". instead, she explained her statement by another, vague statement.
tl;dr explaining/justifying your statement with another vague and unexplained statement is a fallacy.
bd2919 (4) No.916194>>916220
>>916131Your unit pays the battle school for your training. Who did you apply to be an officer with? You can't be going to BMOQ before you've been sworn in.
179be0 (1) No.916200
>>915292 (OP)I just signed up for the national guard as a chemical operations specialist, they'll pay for the rest of my schooling and the military training is invaluable
I could see myself getting deployed in Syria in a few years but I'd mostly be mopping up chemicals and handing out gas masks anyways
285601 (8) No.916220>>916248
>>916194With? I did the enrollment in Corner Brook.
I was sworn in, in December.
I'm not aware of being in any regiment.
Actually I'm pretty sure they told me I pick my regiment from either, Princess P, Van Doos (sp? lol) or the one in Gagetown.
285601 (8) No.916248
>>916220To clarify, Corner Brook is in Newfoundland
0034a2 (4) No.916283>>916517
>>916181>if you state that someone is not the type for a job then you should be able to justify your statement by explaining what you mean and sharing your expertise on the matter.
>also her statement was "it's a bad idea" justified by another statement "you're not the type". if she knew what the fuck she was talking about then she would've said "it's a bad idea, because in the military blah blah explanation". instead, she explained her statement by another, vague statement.For all of those claims you do not give a justification, which is in your own terms, fallacious.
One does not need to use a whole list of points when a single phrase sums it all up. It can also be difficult to put knowledge about something or someone into exact wording.
>tl;dr explaining/justifying your statement with another vague and unexplained statement is a fallacy.If I say that the sky is blue, it's not fallacious because I don't use further points to explain how it is blue.
When will you autists realise that your concept of fallaciousness has no relation to how people in the real world communicate?
95267f (6) No.916286>>916663
>>916138RE are big on phys
Not sure what officers there are like, got a couple mates enlisted in the RE and they love it
That is regular though so it's different
f6abec (4) No.916517
>>916283>If I say that the sky is blue, it's not fallacious because I don't use further points to explain how it is blue.yeah but if you say the sky is blue then anyone can just look up and confirm it, so your statement doesn't need to be explained since the evidence is readily available (aka you're stating the obvious).
>One does not need to use a whole list of points when a single phrase sums it all up.but it really doesn't. it's an opinion. "I think you're not the type" without explaining "why you're not the type" is fucking useless. why would it be obvious to OP why he's not the type?
>When will you autists realise that your concept of fallaciousness has no relation to how people in the real world communicate?actually, fallacious communication in real life tells you a lot about what people are subtly trying to communicate to you, aka reading between the lines, so it's pretty much the opposite of autism.
if your point is that maybe she was being intentionally vague to avoid hurting his feelings, then why would he take dishonest advice? we're back to square one with women giving shit advice.
his family too, they could've said "son, that's the dumbest shit we've ever heard, we want you to get your engineering degree", but they also used the "you're not the type" cop-out.
tl;dr dishonest advice is shit advice, OP should ask his fellow dutchmen who serve/have served
a749ae (4) No.916663>>916685
>>916286Not much of a military background in my family, but would it be fair to assume that the officers in the field would be doing the same things, but directing the overall effort?
95267f (6) No.916685>>916962
>>916663>Doing the same thingsNope
Think of it as a management job
a749ae (4) No.916962>>920684 >>920795
>>916685So where would the overlap be between officers and enlisted? Do the officers stay back at the base and plan/manage things and let the enlisted do the work?
212a1f (26) No.920684>>920795
>>916962That's basically what I'd like to know as well.
baa0e6 (1) No.920701>>920705
>>915292 (OP)>dying for israel 5c83b6 (1) No.920705
>>920701shhhh they aren't supposed to know goyim.
9a95a7 (5) No.920731
I joined and I really enjoy it, made connections, and plenty of skills. It all depends on your mos and unit
>>915404>I have no idea what I'm talking about but here is my opinion 9a95a7 (5) No.920738
>>915432reserves deploy before active duty
a33bbc (4) No.920743
>>915292 (OP)
>be me>captain in US army>10 years experience (prior enlisted)>blue pilled as fuuuuuuck when I first joined>got to 1LT and then CPT>started to work with a lot of fellow 1LTs, CPTs, MAJs, LTCs, etc>realized that 85% of officers are fucking lazy, self-absorbed, retarded and sometimes shady fucks>attempted to stick with the remaining 15% of the good ones>saw the rest of the good ones leave right as they made CPT>saw the writing on the wall>got out (sort of)>reflected that my time was worth it, as I met a few of the finest human beings on the planet>found /pol/I will say, being an officer can be extremely fulfilling. Being a joe can suck donkey dick, but you will have the best friends you will ever have. As an officer, you don't get to make those connections as much, expect maybe with your NCO counterpart (i.e. platoon sergeant or first sergeant).
2ec7dc (2) No.920766>>926364 >>926448
I figured I was too stupid for them schoolin things, or I'm just too lazy to do it. I was planning to join the military but I quickly found out that the requirement is a lot higher than most people would realize. I was going to try to get some military or at least some police experience, and after some years of that I would join a private military company, (take you pick, I'm as cloudy on the subject as you are), the most well known is probably blackwater.
I'd assume I'd be making good money on that, and if I die I die, I'm somewhat suicidal, but not to the point where I'd take my own life, I'm just okay with dying at any minute.
Sadly I am apparently at least a college degree away from joining anything.
Anyone in a similar situation? Anyone got advice?
1d5af8 (1) No.920793>>920842 >>920844 >>923587 >>926585
Answer this
>can you get up at 4am every morning of every week to run 5-6km for no reason?
>can you stomach hanging out with people who have the intellectual capacity of a spoon every day for however many years you want to stay in the army?
>can you do everything some faggot tells you to without question every day etc?
>do you have literally anything else you want to do as a job instead?
If you answered yes to all of those except the last one then go ahead.
Consider joining as an officer straight away or joining as a medic or whatever their logistics and supply thing is.
Also don't forget there's an air force and a navy which are generally less physically demanding than the army and more mentally stimulating.
(Haha! Time to blog!) My current plan is to become a transfusion scientist and work in a blood bank. I've already got my qualifications and I'm looking for a job now. While I'm looking for a job in a lab, I'm also looking for part time work in cafe's and restaurants because my backup plan is to become a chef or caterer.
Then, if that all fails and I have nothing else to do and my girlfriend leaves me so I have no one left to keep me in one place, I'll join the air force like my great grandfather as a medic. He always wanted to be a pilot but didn't pass their tests so he became a radio technician.
>tfw my country's air force's logo has a flightless bird on it.
>don't even know if the air force even has combat aircrafts.
a33bbc (4) No.920795
>>916962>>920684Officers do most of the planning from the platoon level and up, with input from their senior NCOs.
Depending on the scale of the task at hand, that will determine how involved the officers are up and down the chain of command. In a garrison environment, officers will tend to ride a desk more often, since there is a TON of bullshit paperwork to do all the fucking time. In a field environment (i.e. training exercise or real deal), involvement of the officer will be determined on their rank/job. An infantry platoon leader (2LT or 1LT) is going to be outside the wire with his guys 95% of the time, doing everything the grunt does. An intelligence officer of the same rank will be inside an air conditioned tent looking at a screen all day. As you progress in rank and responsibilities, the less fun you get to have, unless you have a cool job like pilot or SF dude.
6f54c0 (3) No.920806>>920834
>>915292 (OP)>engineering is boringfuck
My dad told me to go into water engineering cause I live in Straya
You better be exaggerating op
6f54c0 (3) No.920817
>>915556Well what if I live in a neutral country
Is the reserves worth it then
a33bbc (4) No.920834
>>920806ME here. I too found most of my coursework utterly mind numbing at the time. However, now that I work in the aerospace industry, sometimes I really wish I could go back in time and tell my 20 year old retarded self to pay fucking attention because this is important.
It's not that engineering is exciting, but it is a bit scary since if I fuck up too bad, I could go to jail or be sued out my asshole.
2ec7dc (2) No.920842
>>920793>>920793Well I plan on going specifically for the physically demanding stuff.
I can't keep my own schedule so I'd figure some giant faggot yelling in my face in the middle of the night can do it.
6f54c0 (3) No.920844
0e88a2 (1) No.920882
>>915292 (OP)Since you are halfway through your degree anyway, finish it! Don't throw away a year and a half of work with nothing to show for it, not to mention you will be in a much better position for the rest of your life with that piece of paper, even for the army.
In the meantime consider ROTC or the equivalent if you have it, also reading up and getting properly fit (running, not lifting) is sound advice for anyone.
Good luck.
fc22e4 (2) No.920903>>920978
>>915292 (OP)Talk to a recruiting officer and see what your options are. Know that for the Dutch military you basically have to join while you are still young, because though they will take in people over 25, they basically only want officer material and re-enlisted people.
I was in a bad place in my life when I could join and now that I am feeling up to the challenge of signing up they won't have me.
Do note that with your background in engineering they will likely stick you in that field though.
212a1f (26) No.920978>>922135
>>920903>Do note that with your background in engineering they will likely stick you in that field though.That kinda sucks. If I'm joining I was hoping to go somewhere along the lines of infantry.
212a1f (26) No.920980
I'm going to talk to some people about this. Joining the army after my study would at least give me some motivation.
715157 (1) No.920999>>921010
>yes op, fight for our greatest ally!
9ce0fc (2) No.921004>>921010
1) Are you ok with dying for Israel?
2) Are you prepared to kill US Citizens (not immigrants, people born here) when WW3 rolls around within the next 5 years.
3) Are you prepared to kill foreign Nationalists?
4) Are you prepared to be a slave?
If you answered yes then go ahead and have a cookie because you're the best goyim.
212a1f (26) No.921006>>921024 >>921095
One of my biggest concerns is an unemployed future. I'm doing a study which I find boring (same probably goes for the job I can get after it) and everyone keeps saying that you need to go engineering or IT to get a job these days. I think I need to sit down with my family to discuss this stuff.
212a1f (26) No.921010>>921024
9ce0fc (2) No.921024
>>921010>>921006>One of my biggest concerns is an unemployed futureWhy do you think our government has no interest in helping the youth unemployment situation? They're perfectly fine with Juan and Miguel from El Salvador taking your starting job because you'll be forced to sign your life away.
>>921010>just… don'tDon't what? Beat you over the head with the reality that by joining the military you're betraying your people and yourself by signing your life away to the state simply to suckle at the teat of welfare?
fc22e4 (2) No.921095>>921133
>>921006Seems like you want different career prospects and were pushed into a study and career that seemed like it would get you a good job, as opposed to actually getting one.
If you want a job that pays well these days, look at some traditional blue collar work such as electrician, carpentry or welding. These jobs pay higher than entry level positions for jobs in IT or business studies.
You may also like doing work with your hands.
I personally worked for a while at the Bataviawerf in Lelystad as a blacksmith's apprentice. Absolutely loved it, but some things came up that prevented me from continuing on that course.
Remember, it's more important that you do a job that you enjoy than one that pays well.
Shekels are not the key to happiness.
212a1f (26) No.921133
>>921095Thanks. It was kind of a hasty dicision,
9a95a7 (5) No.922135>>922552
>>920978You can go whatever you want
212a1f (26) No.922552>>924204
>>922135Where are you from?
I'm not sure how it works. I thought you had to get military training and then apply for a certain job?
db69cb (5) No.922702>>922755 >>923571
I was in the Canadian Army for 3 years in the Recce Squadron.
Ask what you'd like and I'll try and help some of you /pol/ brothers out.
Cheers
212a1f (26) No.922755>>922821
>>922702I'm planning on finishing my engineering bachelor when I'm 21-22 years old. Do you think they'll push me towards an engineering position instead of a combat position because of my background?
When I finish my bachelor I can join as an officer. What do officers do compared to the lower ranks. I don't want to join just to sit behind a desk to do paperwork and management stuff.
db69cb (5) No.922821>>922861
>>922755Combat Engineer is a combat position. It is basically bridge building and mine sweeping. I don't know what country you're in, but in Canada there are 4 Combat Arms trades: Infantry, Armoured, Artillery and Combat Engineers. Then everything else is WOG trades (Clerk, Logistics,etc…).
Recruiters will try and push you towards whatever position is currently needed filled. It will have nothing to do with your background (unless you score extremely high on the aptitude tests at which point they might offer officer positions such as pilot or intelligence/HQ).
Sorry to tell you this but as an officer you will sit behind a desk regardless of trade. Yes, you will be out in the field with your troops if you're Combat Arms, but once back in the barracks you're basically a high school principal. You'll be dealing with holiday leave papers, release papers, medical chits and police reports (if your soldiers have run-ins with police [and they will trust me]. Administrative shit like that.
You can't be an officer and NOT do "management stuff", that's just impossible.
212a1f (26) No.922861>>923665
>>922821I'm from The Netherlands.
It kinda sucks. I didn't want to join the army for a long lasting career. I want to join for the experience and to get deployed once or twice. Maybe longer if I like it. Most of the "exciting" stuff seems to happen within the lower ranks.
185ab4 (1) No.923032
>>915432>implying the Netherlands will be involved in any conflicthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_UruzganNigger
462ac3 (1) No.923113
>>915386>Everyone on the chans complains about everything and creates drama over what are the slightest banalities to the average person. That won't do in the military.I don't think that really carries over to real life for most users. Only the legitimately autistic have difficulty separating real life from posting on chans.
c384e3 (1) No.923481
Personally I'm going to turn in some papers with the US Navy today, I have a long family history of Navy involvement and everyone (literally everyone) said it wasnt that bad, whether it be uncles, cousins, grandparents, whatever.
eb06b4 (1) No.923535
>>915292 (OP)Don't be an idiot a finish the career, join later if you want but finish the fucking career. Army is great for sucking cocks, but it won't feed you when you are older.
695cee (1) No.923571>>923710 >>926335
>>922702I'm thinking of joining. What should my physical fitness level be like before I join (how many pushups, pullups, running, etc)
I'm not dumb enough to think i can get fit enough where basic is actually easy, but where should i be at that i don't get fucked over (too hard)?
f6abec (4) No.923587
>>920793you know, those aren't necessarily bad things
>get up at 4am every morning of every weekgood for discipline and willpower
>run 5-6km for no reasonI'd say being in top shape is a pretty good reason (especially as a soldier)
>can you stomach hanging out with people who have the intellectual capacity of a spoon?so you learn how to deal with fucking stupid people on a daily basis, I'd say that's another useful life skill
>can you do everything some faggot tells you to without question every day etc?the ability to put your pride aside is something everyone should learn, to be honest
>do you have literally anything else you want to do as a job instead?do you really think being a soldier is the worst job out there?
arguments aside, good luck with the transfusion scientist stuff, that sounds way fucking cool
275cf5 (1) No.923610
>>915386You've missed the last twenty years or so, mate. Have you missed the news about the military's tumblrization in Western countries? It's full of faggots, feminists, and overall general whiners. Not sure how Dutch is by comparison but it's a Western country. I wouldn't hope for much.
>>915602It's true, even if he didn't intend it. Do you think the military is composed of anything but good goyim? Dissenters are cast out immediately.
Personally, if you want to go into the military, do it strictly for non-patriotic reasons. I'm not sure what kind of pensions or payment you can expect at this point, but realistically it's the only place you can go to learn how to kill people. Which might be a very important skill in the late future.
db69cb (5) No.923665>>923685
>>922861Motherfucking SJW pedo reports wiped my answer clean so I'll have to retype. Excuse me if the answer is not as thorough as the last one.
If you are joining for short term there is a good chance you will not see a deployment any time soon. War isn't the same as it used to be even only 10 years ago. There is no more "boots on the ground" bullshit and if you're looking into seeing any kind of action your best bet is the Air Force.
Air Force ALWAYS gets deployed first and the living quarters/FOBs are way more gucci than army ones. Anyone who joins the army to see action is in the wrong branch of the military. Air Force is where they fuck people up.
Don't get me wrong though, I LOVED being an army grunt and YES the "exciting" stuff only really happens with the lower ranks a.k.a. NCOs. We never really socialized with the officers or particularly liked them.
Since you said you were Dutch, I am going to assume your military pays really well, so do not hesitate into becoming an NCO for financial reasons. Obviously officers get paid more, but you will go through the same bullshit yet have a lot more responsibilities.
Officer is a lonely job. You're a 20+ year old guy who is now in command of 30-50 soldiers who have been in the army longer than you, just because you have a degree. So now you have to boss these vets around and tell Sgts what to do, some of who've been in the army for longer than you've been alive and seen multiple tours.
Basically I would suggest Air Force if you are hoping for a tour as warfare has changed (look at current western actions in Lybia, Syria, Iraq,…). Or you can be a Navy fag and get shitfaced on cheap ship booze and sail around the world for a few years.
212a1f (26) No.923685>>923730
>>923665Who knows what's going to happen. Maybe we'll be removing isis kebab in a few years.
212a1f (26) No.923698
But like I said. I'm going to finish my education which will take me another 2,5-3,5 years. If I still want to join the army after that I'll probably choose a low rank to get the expirience before I fall back on my engineering bachelor.
db69cb (5) No.923710
>>923571The physical fitness standard tbh is pretty low. When I was in, you had to score 5(?) on the beep test, do 19 pushups, 25+ situps in a minute, and use this weird grip machine because the pull up requirement was considered too hard and was scraped.
If you fail one of these, you will be placed in a "unfit" platoon and they will work your ass off for a couple of weeks until you're ready to take the test again. Once you pass the test they put you back into a basic course which lasts ~14 weeks. This fat camp program might be scrapped since they aren't hungry for recruits anymore, but I'm sure if you look up "Canadian army RFT" or something like that you'll get more info.
So if you can do about 25 GOOD pushups (i.e. all the way down and up), 25 situps in a minute, run 5 on a beep test (I think I ran a 10.5 when I did it) and squeeze this stupid toy they give you, you should be ok.
db69cb (5) No.923730>>923736 >>923870
>>923685One could only hope.
When I got out, they asked me if I wanted to sign up for Supplementary Reserve, which is basically a signature that if shit goes down, they can put you back in your unit [pic related, my unit].
It's good for 10 years so we'll see.
212a1f (26) No.923736
>>923730Heard Russia just dropped the petro-dollar. Get ready…
212a1f (26) No.923870
>>923730Have you been deployed before? If so, how was the experience?
212a1f (26) No.923974
>>915556I'm a nationalist, but going there to fight isn't to invite them back with me. It's helping them make their country a better place.
>inb4 fighting israeli creationsDoesn't matter who created them, someone still has to stop them.
867a34 (1) No.924047
>>915350>if you're willing to die for israel go aheadOP wasnt talking about the US army
9a95a7 (5) No.924204>>924219
>>922552I'm from america. How the army works here is you apply and take an entry test. Depending on how well you do on that you choose the mos you want if it had open slots (pick something u want, don't pick something just to get out of your current situation unless it's really really bad. The military can be tough but if you enjoy what you're doing its easy)
The fact that you're browsing 8chan probably means you will score high enough to pick any mos you want. Be sure to review a bit so you refresh yourself if you take the asvab
9a95a7 (5) No.924219>>924247
>>924204I'd like to add something. Do not pick something because you think it will be easy. My roommate is a cook and he thought it would be easy. He gets no future job skills from it, wakes up before me and gets off after me. It's not entertaining at all, and he has to go in on sundays. My job seems like itd be harder but he has to work way harder. My job has more skills to it, although I'm reclassing to psyops soon. If you got questions you can add me on skype or steam
skype jonharris3234
steam jonqq or "y squat for days"
212a1f (26) No.924247
a33bbc (4) No.926335
>>923571To be mediocre:
60 push ups in 2 min. 60 sit ups in 2 min. 14:30 run in two miles.
To guarantee max:
80 push ups in 2 min. 80 sit ups in 2 min. 13:00 run in two miles.
For bonus points:
12 mile ruck march with 60lb rucksack in under 2.5 hours. 15 pull ups from dead hang.
Beast mode:
Dive to bottom of 12ft pool or deeper, pick up cinder block, swim 25m with cinder block out of water.
624c2c (1) No.926364
>>920766Kinda wanted to do the same m8, just wish i could go to straight to a PMC
but im not a le edgy suicidal faggot thoidk where to start
bb86dc (1) No.926448>>926599
>>920766The PMC sector has dried up majorly in the last 4 years since the surge in Iraq, so I wouldn't count on it unless you spent AT LEAST a solid 4-6 years as an infanteer (not including however long it takes to do your training) and made at least Cpl/E4. You MIGHT have a shot then, if you're fit as hell and won't crack under pressure in a combat situation.
Had a couple buddies from my battalion (3VP, PPCLI) up here in Canada try out for Blackwater/Xe and Executive Outcomes, 1 got in. He made some good money for a couple months, got to see Fallujah and the green sector in Baghdad, came home when his contract wound up after a few months, then blew it all on booze and coke. He's got massive PTSD going on and hasn't seen his ex and kids in years.
It's not a glamourous life you might be expecting from playing CoD vidya, so if you're seriously considering that path, tread lightly and lose whatever preconceived notions you might hold.
bdad8e (1) No.926585
>>920793>can you do everything some faggot tells you to without question every day etc?That's the same as absolutely any job. But at least it won't be some fat feminist dyke or coke fiend telling you what to do. The last female boss I had, I had to absolutely cover my ass on everything I did, because she was very good at deflecting blame on to her subordinates.
But the only reason i'd want to join the army is for the military training i'll need when all-out war erupts once again in Europe. I don't think I could deal with the 21st century miltary though because i'm ridiculously racist and sexist.
Why wasn't I born 150 years ago..
c74148 (1) No.926599
>>926448Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater is a good family friend.
