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    Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

    The BBC asked us to look into a range of IoT products. One of them was a Pineworld lock, from Amazon. We only had a day; I went for the quickest and most realistic attack.pic.twitter.com/QUKFQUyChO

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      2. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        The lock costs £139.99 - that's not cheap. It looks quite nice. PIN, WiFi, RFID, and fingerprint? Wow. That's a lot of electronic attack surface.pic.twitter.com/8zKfoBDqhh

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      3. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        Thing is, burglars don't yet carry out electronic attacks. Let's look at the mechanicals.pic.twitter.com/gUKIz084jh

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      4. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        Now - it has some good features here. The handle disconnects from the drive shaft using a clutch. That means that you can't simply force a lock, the handle just moves pointlessly.

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      5. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        It uses a motor and gearbox, as opposed to a solenoid. These are harder to attack with magnets. It also uses non-magnetic components on critical parts.

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      6. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        But what's that silver bit at the bottom? That's where the backup mechanical lock pushes up on to engage the clutch. It's inside the lock though, so what's the issue?pic.twitter.com/KgpaVpXsJF

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      7. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        Well, this is the issue. I can drill through the side of the die cast housing in 2 seconds. It's not loud, and it doesn't need special tools.pic.twitter.com/nZy9rBtEbz

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      8. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        I now have a hole in the lock.pic.twitter.com/t5Kin5V51y

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      9. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        Insert a small screwdriver, and lift. The door unlocks.pic.twitter.com/gxypZfxEE4

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      10. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        Realistically, that's 10s total. It's not at all hard. Certainly below the level of security I would want on my front door.

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      11. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        Compare it to a decent lock.pic.twitter.com/I8rn8u9C0o

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      12. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        That raised part is hardplate. Much, much harder to drill that aluminium.pic.twitter.com/YmWuzPQIEv

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      13. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        Other thing... you need to know where to drill. Which means you need to ID the lock, just from a keyhole. It's not trivial.pic.twitter.com/owB7wEU5Ta

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      14. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        It also has hardened steel rollers in the bolt, to frustrate cutting attempts.pic.twitter.com/POxCwTaoQ5

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      15. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 3h3 hours ago

        You need to watch out for these electronic locks. A lot of them have TERRIBLE physical security. Nearly all of them can be drilled in a similar way. Most of them are physically weaker. Just because it's electronic doesn't mean you get to ignore this.

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      16. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 2h2 hours ago

        Most recent review on Amazon isn't exactly stellar.pic.twitter.com/gZ7XDCuh8p

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      17. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 40m40 minutes ago

        It's also available as "ENER-J".pic.twitter.com/JYKoSn0WPw

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      2. Alex Lennon‏ @embedded_iot 48m48 minutes ago
        Replying to @cybergibbons

        Interesting. Presumably it’s odd to be paid to look at devices without a non-disclosure? Maybe there’s a model in businesses paying for open testing of competitors products... raise everybody’s game 😉

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      3. Ask Cybergibbons!‏ @cybergibbons 47m47 minutes ago
        Replying to @embedded_iot

        I used to (when I was operating by myself) do "competitor intelligence" to give someone an idea of what the competition was like. (but, no payment was made for the BBC work, anyway)

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      4. Alex Lennon‏ @embedded_iot 44m44 minutes ago
        Replying to @cybergibbons

        Useful thought. I shall file that away 😉

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      1. Andrew Langstaff‏ @cowboycoder 2h2 hours ago
        Replying to @cybergibbons

        🤣🤣 Wow, that's even worse than I expected. Did these people never actually look at a real lock?

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