Tranime GirlVerified Account

I feel stuck between two extremes, neither of which are remotely good for me. Transsexuals are a tiny fraction of the population, and as such... It's like trying to talk to someone in a night club... One or two might hear part of what I'm saying, and may or may not care.

This is on my mind constantly and is a source of distress.

@wcloetens
One extreme: "Let all who utter the word trans in everywhere!! Do not misgender rapists and Pedos!"
~No, that is a horrible idea for very obvious reasons.

Other extreme: "Even though you look, act, and sound female to the point even ER doctors think you were born female, to hell with you, go in with the men's and we don't care if your experience there is the same as ours would be."
~No, that is not ok either. That would be both unsafe and cause chaos. I do not wish to live life in a cloud of chaos that is neither necessary or beneficial to anyone.

My view: Transsexualism is a real condition and transsexuals should be accommodated, BUT with requirements on the part of the TS and limitations in place. A reasonable middle ground where all involved can go about their lives in relative peace, safety, and comfort.
TGs, however, should be kicked to the curb, and rape convictions should be an automatic ban from transitioning.

3

@TranimeGirl We can all agree on the pedos and other fetishists who use the transgender oppressed minority label to claim that their degenerate perversions are "brave and beautiful." That's easy around here. Let's do the other side; that's harder.

How do you feel about some of the less extreme beliefs than your example? In all cases in the assumption that those who hold them they do not use physical or verbal abuse.
The following list contains what I've come across (mostly on Gab). Note that I don't necessarily agree with these, and I know counterarguments. I've read what you wrote and I've seen some of your videos, and I respect it all. I'm just listing for the sake of debate, roughly sorted from less to more intrusive in the TS's life.
1. Gender is a linguistic concept only. Biological sex is XX vs. XY, and no amount of treatment changes it.
2. Gender dysphoria is a mental problem, and as such, should be addressed as a psychological disorder with the intent of aligning the patient's mental model with physical reality, and not with hormone treatments and surgery.
3. Suicide statistics before and after treatment support position 2, its highly elevated ratios indicating that it is a mental illness, and the lack of decreased ratios after HRT/SRS indicating that those treatments doesn't work.
4. Following on 2. and 3., tax payers / health insurances should not bear the cost of HRT and SRS, or complications as a result of them.
5. Don't care how you identify, I'll address with pronouns corresponding to your birth/point 1/point 2 sex. (You already told me how you feel about this; I'm including it for completeness).
6. Following on 2., as gender dysphoria is a mental illness, those who have it should be treated as unstable, high risk individuals, and barred from (again from less to more contentious): military, police or other emergency service positions, any job interacting with children or other vulnerable people (elderly, ill, mentally retarded etc.), government positions of power (political or administration), owning a firearm, working with dangerous substances (explosives, chemically or biologically hazardous, radioactive), working with heavy machinery, medical positions (doctor, nurse), a position of power in the private sector, any job in the private sector.

A different aspect, related to freedom of speech vs. harm inflicted by speech. I've come across the opinion that stating these beliefs, or acting according to them (from pronouns to discrimination), causes distress in TS's, and as such (see 3. and 6.) may result in depression and suicide. Self- or imposed censorship therefore saves lives.

1

@TranimeGirl @wcloetens On this premise, you'll get NO argument from me.

401The access token is invalid