Didn't know you where getting a lot more shit about getting Xax unbanned then i thought. What gets me tough is the whole " you lie!" bit. I seen the log, atleast one of them and it was insane >_>

This whole Xax thing has gotta end already. If those who support him so much just leave it as it is and leave the roo alone already. Go whine on the IRC channel or something but don't keep on bringing up a subject that is closed and won't change.

And yeah Jheryn, you are in the baddest pose of us all. Though me and the rest as admin can get a lot of shit, you being the " fixer" along with Arc gives everyone even more reason to just go accuse arround for no reason at all. Please don't be guided by the few asses who decided to blindly comment back on you that your wrong. They will only see things from there side and nothing else.

Stupidity, ignorance and rudeness can't be cured by some people i'm affraid...

Well said Killy

I'm happy to know that the staff's official word is that I am 'stupid, ignorant, and rude'.

Frankly, I take offense to that. This is what I have seen: Xax caused a big snafu in the site by making all sorts of silly names. He admitted to doing so. The site crashed when an admin attempted to repair the site. Someone may or may not have hacked the site. Xax had no motivation, or possibly even the skill to do so. The admins are the only ones saying that the site was actully hacked, but have not made the logs public.

The conclusions I can come to, from most likely to least likely are as follows:

1)Xax crashed the site due to an error in the coding. A moderator tried to fix it, but only exaserbated the problem. The site had gotten quite a bit of razzing at the hands of the moderators of other art sites (Sheezy), and this would only push the problem further. As such, the offical stance is that the site was actully hacked, rather than a coding error. Playing the 'furcecution card' allows the staff to remain relatively blameless in this situation. The individual claiming to have hacked the site is a troll who is here to stir up flames.

2)Xax crashed the site due to an error in the coding. A moderator attempted to fix it, but only exaserbated the problem. About the time the site went down, there was a hacking attempt by someone. Possible motives involve making fun of a bunch of furries, as that is the 'internet cool kid' thing to do. The moderators, quite angry at this whole turn of events, pin it to Xax, as the 'hacker' has claimed that he reached the site through some anonymous port. I don't know how or if this is possible, as I am not a computer science guy. Xax is used as a scapegoat and takes the blame even though the real hacker is pointing and lauging at everyone.

3)Xax crashed the site due to an error in the coding. A moderator attempted to fix it and only exaserbated the problem he caused. Durring the down time, he hacks into the site propper and brings it down hard. He uses the dickery he did before hand as a cover for his actual hack. Xax is showing up and posting anonymously and laughing at all of us.

I'd keep going, but they remaining conclusions I've come to are, quite frankly, bordering on conspiracy theory level nonsense.

I'll admit that I have biases against those who weild any appreciable amount of power and the fact that there was no vote for Xax just drives my suspicions home further.

I'm willing to talk about such matters over AIM or other IM programs. I promise to keep a level head. I'm not out to prove anything or make anyone look bad, I only want to know what is going on. If I am right, I'll keep my mouth shut. If I am wrong, I'll swallow my pride and have a big glass of STFU. I have to talk with Xax about said matters still as well.

However, your statements do make me feel justified for removing my art from the server.

What, boy? Has the taste of my internet back-hand faded so much?

Yes, I can recall the big fit you threw in that "OMG I AM SO LEAVING SHEEZY SPENCER IS A NAZI" thing on Sheezy. That indeed was a lot of whining and misguided opinions on your part. I remember flaming you into a cowering and sniveling heap - don't provoke my ire again.

I guess i'll next time will have to read all the comments on Jheryn's message as i popsted mine rather with skipping pretty much everything and just got a glimps in what all was said. But please Jirris, seeing i love your art and think your a cool guy. Don't go threatening to remove your account. Thats rather pointless all together and really isn't making your statement any more firm. If you feel you need to then you do, but don't use it get our attention.

But i do want to add to this that if Xax isn't the hacker then somebody broke/has gotten free passage into his accounts and made those wonderfull giant logs of how the site got hax0red. All the messages got his IP along the way. This was btw on the various accounts of Xax, not specificly his "Xax" one and seeing how his other accounts contained lil to no link to that one somebosy hacking in must have talked to Xax and heared him out on every account. Again, very unlikely.

Now, somebody must really dislike Xax then to try his utter best to be known as him on various occasions, pin him as the hacker and to quickly run away and go totally arround the system of ip identification and the works that go along with it. I'm sorry Jirris, but it seems to far fetched that somebody would go trough all the trouble just to do that. Way piss off FA and Xax about that then because it gives him the bad name? Not very believable on my end.

Where you btw in the IRC chat at the time? Even if he was poking fun and saying everything was the blame of our system then he also badly hurted himself with saying he was "just hacking arround". And way is nobody carring about the fact that he made a bunch of useless accounts in the first place? It's like that in itself to "test" the system is seemingly very normal. Also, way "test" the system and not let any admin know he might try some odd things? If you really want to help a site you don't go arround doing stuff and laugh about it wen you get a odd reaction from it but report it right where it needs to go yet i seen nothing of the sorts and that story came up after all of this so i think it's made up all together. Also adding up that if somebody now claims "that wasn't Xax in the IRC chat at all" Aftherwards i been in the IRC channel a lot more and read up on a lot between Xax and his friends. same way of speaking and subjects so anyone claiming that was the hacker and not him is rather wrong as well.

I am remaining with my words that this should end. My last comment was btw aimed at those especially in the IRC i seen over time who blindly believe what was said there and don't try to find out whats going on from both sides. Those are the ignorant and stupid ones. Just follow whatever is said just because.

The rudeness comes in to the few who then go into here or possibly there own FA page and just go insult the stuff here and would like to claim they all know whats going on. The saddest part tough is that they rather go as an annon. instead of a real nickname just so they can flame to there hearts content.

The thing is, this whole "OMG YOU'VE BEEN HAXXORED" thing seems an afwul lot like a smokescreen, as detialed in Jirris's first conclusion. You can call me ungrateful if you want, but that's just the conclusion I've come to as well, based on what I've seen from both sides and in the IRC chatroom. If that's the case, then Jheryn is piling imaginary offenses onto a crime for which banning is at least slightly more debateable.

The real issue, though, is that lying to his users, espeically about something like this, would be a pretty reprehensible thing for Jheryn to do, especially given that it would bring all of the other downtimes Jheryn has attribted to "hacking" into question. While that_grave_guy might be okay with being lied to as long as he's allowed to post pornography, it's honestly not the best policy idea as far as I'm concerned. The face you save in the short term isn't worth it, etcetera.

And this is just the thing. Jirris wants dialoge but it seems it'll be pointless as no matter what we here at the staff say. You'll just shrug it away and say we lie. So what is the point of the discussion then? Because atm it's not going anywhere. As long as the general idea is " they will only lie and make up claims" it's useless.

And what does this have to do with the sites point on adult works? This has totally NOTHING to do with this at all. Your entering a subject in this thats unrelated so i see no need for you to bring it up.

What is it that you guy's want? Justice for Xax or just find more way's to flame FA because i'm starting to lose view in what all of you are trying to say.

Way are you even here then if you don't even believe anything we say? Wouldn't it be normal to move on from a site you feel is rotten on the inside? I don't understand you guy's.

Again i ask you, WTF has jheryn been leing about thats so bad?

First, I appologize for leaping at your throat like a blood-thirsty son of a bitch. That was bad form and you didn't deserve it.

As I said before, I am not removing my account, I'm still sticking around sans artwork. I'll post a link to wherever it's going now besides my DA account. I did not remove my art as a "OMG I AM SO LEAVING" sort of thing, I have removed it because I am worried about my rights as a user of the FurAffinity service. I'm not the sort who will go into long rambling diatribes about how a site has betrayed me so horribly and post steaming globs of venom all over the internet. Not my style. I'll still comment and favorite and such, and if this all blows over and I am proven to be a big fat idiot I'll eat plenty of crow and appologize for rousing rabble like I have. I'll probably go back to submitting art on the site again, even.

I mean not to step on toes, but I haven't seen these logs. I still don't think this is a matter of anyone pinning it on Xax (if the IP matches Xax's, hypothesis two will effectively be disproven), I think it is a matter of smoke and mirrors. If a big hack did actully happen durring these circumstantces, it's likely it was co-ordinated, likely by Xax -- which supports hypothesis number three.

I was not in IRC chat, as I don't use the service. However, I have seen logs of it. They have been posted in a previous entry. Xax, at best, seemed mischevious. Someone compared him to DeeDee from 'Dexter's Laboratory' and that seems apt. I think that his decision to muck around with the site was not a good one, but I can't say that his intentions were benign or malignant. As I said previously, I don't think he had any motive for hacking into the database and crashing the server hard.

My main beef with this is that the TOS was not followed. I want to know what really happened, but I also want to see the formalities take place. *shrugs* Call me a whore for procedure.

I agree that this all needs to just end... it's gone on long enough. I want to reach some resolution to all this and call it good. I think we are all just a wee bit on edge after the Sheezy-Drama that we delt with only a few months ago.

Once more, I appologize for attacking you like I did. I thought you were talking about everyone who did not take the official word from FA. In any case, I hope this all gets sorted out soon, no matter what the final answer is.

The problem is that there is no way to probe or disprove Xax being part into this. There are no logs of chats between me and Jheryn on this (as it was outside IRC). The problem is that the logs (wich i btw don't know of if Jheryn saved them. I had one originally but i deleted it as i tought at the time it would not be of any use to me anymore) ofcourse on that i'll still get comments like "you guy's got no logs, it's a lie!" I can only give you my version in this.

Xax got banned on what the logs said. If he ether did little or most of it at that time the logs pointed to his IP adress and he got banned for that.

Jheryn auto bans anyone who hackes the site (logical, who wants people going arround who hack? and then don't do anything about it.). There is no vote system on that because hacking is against the website and the law. Untill we see some mayor proof it wasn't him he'll be banned. It's nothing more then that. There is no plot going on, no cover up. It's as simple as that. I don't know how to really make it more clear to anyone.

First: Yes, that was me in the IRC chat. I mean, the whole bit starting with "Okay, who broke FA" and onwards. That would be a startlingly bad argument.

Secondly: As far as I know, the course of events went like this: I make ' ' account. Account is weird. I make 'ταυτολογος' account. Account is totally unreachable. I make '.' account. Now, anyone trying to go to the main page of the site is redirected to the . userpage! When admins try to remove the account, they take out the index.php file as well! So the site goes down for a few hours as they wait for the people with backups to arrive (or so I heard). I get banned right after the index in restored and that's about it. blah blah blah DRAMA that's about it.

I mean, aside from Jheryn kicking me out of the IRC chat for a bit and going on about how I totally hizzacked the server, but my beef with that is that the theoretical hacking didn't /do/ anything. I mean. All the stuff that happened (the index.php vanishing and the site going down for a bit) I explained above and I as I said in a previous comment, if I wanted to mess around with the site and had the talent I probably would do something more drastic than basically tagging the PHP log & exploiting a bug in the username creation script.

Third: Are you saying Jheryn checked the user database for any IPs that matched the "hacker's" and then banned (Xax) or deleted (' ', '.', 'ταυτολογος') those accounts? This is odd, because on the IRC chat I named off those three accounts on the IRC chat after Jheryn (or Killy, who I get also has high-admin privs) logged on (I think) but before they were banned. So there are two ways y'all could have gotten the usernames: from my mention of them or from an IP check, but I am leaning towards the former for several reasons.