Split Thread: 9/11 and proof of God

[James Redford]

This is great news.

For irrefragable physicochemical proof that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job by deep-state elements of the US government--i.e., via the use of large quantities of thermite in the case of the collapse of the three destroyed World Trade Center towers--see pp. 75-84 of my following article:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

My foregoing article concerns physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) of God's existence per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics). Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals. However, it also analyzes the societal implications of said, particularly the implications of the exponential advancement of technology and hence also the coming radical life-extension technologies (i.e., transhumanism) in light of a world dominated by a callous oligarchy.

[bknight]

Originally Posted by James Redford

This is great news.

For irrefragable physicochemical proof that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job by deep-state elements of the US government--i.e., via the use of large quantities of thermite in the case of the collapse of the three destroyed World Trade Center towers--see pp. 75-84 of my following article:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

My foregoing article concerns physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) of God's existence per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics). Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals. However, it also analyzes the societal implications of said, particularly the implications of the exponential advancement of technology and hence also the coming radical life-extension technologies (i.e., transhumanism) in light of a world dominated by a callous oligarchy.

How does mathematics prove that there is a GOD? How does mathematics prove that the government used thermite? When was it place in occupied buildings so that people did not notice? Point out on structures that had been cut with thermite images that confirm they were cut with thermite. Link to outside sources, not your report, please. There must be independent sources to corroborate your report.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by James Redford

...(viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, ...) ...

See my signature.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by James Redford

This is great news.

For irrefragable physicochemical proof that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job by deep-state elements of the US government--i.e., via the use of large quantities of thermite in the case of the collapse of the three destroyed World Trade Center towers--see pp. 75-84 of my following article:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP . ...

lol, what a pile of steaming crap, and woo, like, "The Mark of the Beast" -

"The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything" has lies about thermite used on 9/11. The rest of the paper is offtopic at best.

Why do you spread lies about 9/11?

[James Redford]

Originally Posted by bknight

How does mathematics prove that there is a GOD? How does mathematics prove that the government used thermite? When was it place in occupied buildings so that people did not notice? Point out on structures that had been cut with thermite images that confirm they were cut with thermite. Link to outside sources, not your report, please. There must be independent sources to corroborate your report.

You're in great luck, Bknight. As it just so happens, a free article (actually, a book) has been written on these very topics which uses the Scholarly Method extensively, with 490 entries in the Bibliography and 330 footnotes. For the answer to your first question, see Sec. 3: "Physics of the Omega Point Cosmology", pp. 12 ff. and Sec. 5: "The Big Bang", pp. 28 ff. of my below article. For the answers to your second and third questions, see pp. 75-84 of my following article.

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

And since you asked for direct links posted within this thread:

Physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology, which is a proof of God's existence, has been peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals as a mathematical theorem per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics).[1] Even NASA itself has peer-reviewed his Omega Point Theorem and found it correct according to the known physical laws (see below). No refutation of it exists within the peer-reviewed scientific literature, or anywhere else for that matter.

Below are some of the peer-reviewed papers in physics and science journals and proceedings wherein Prof. Tipler has published his Omega Point cosmology.

* Frank J. Tipler, "Cosmological Limits on Computation", International Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 25, No. 6 (June 1986), pp. 617-661, doi:10.1007/BF00670475, bibcode: 1986IJTP...25..617T, https://webcitation.org/64KHgOccs . First paper on the Omega Point cosmology.

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Sensorium of God: Newton and Absolute Space", bibcode: 1988nnds.conf..215T, in G[eorge]. V. Coyne, M[ichal]. Heller and J[ozef]. Zycinski (Eds.), "Message" by Franciszek Macharski, Newton and the New Direction in Science: Proceedings of the Cracow Conference, 25 to 28 May 1987 (Vatican City: Specola Vaticana, 1988), pp. 215-228, LCCN 88162460, bibcode: 1988nnds.conf.....C, https://webcitation.org/69Vb0JF1W .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Omega Point Theory: A Model of an Evolving God", in Robert J. Russell, William R. Stoeger and George V. Coyne (Eds.), message by John Paul II, Physics, Philosophy, and Theology: A Common Quest for Understanding (Vatican City: Vatican Observatory, 2nd ed., 2005; orig. pub. 1988), pp. 313-331, ISBN 0268015775, LCCN 89203331, bibcode: 1988pptc.book.....R, https://webcitation.org/69VaKG2nd .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Anthropic Principle: A Primer for Philosophers", in Arthur Fine and Jarrett Leplin (Eds.), PSA 1988: Proceedings of the 1988 Biennial Meeting of the Philosophy of Science Association, Volume Two: Symposia and Invited Papers (East Lansing, Mich.: Philosophy of Science Association, 1989), pp. 27-48, ISBN 091758628X, https://webcitation.org/69VarCM3I .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Omega Point as Eschaton: Answers to Pannenberg's Questions for Scientists", Zygon: Journal of Religion & Science, Vol. 24, No. 2 (June 1989), pp. 217-253, doi:10.1111/j.1467-9744.1989.tb01112.x. Republished as Chapter 7: "The Omega Point as Eschaton: Answers to Pannenberg's Questions to Scientists" in Carol Rausch Albright and Joel Haugen (Eds.), Beginning with the End: God, Science, and Wolfhart Pannenberg (Chicago, Ill.: Open Court Publishing Company, 1997), pp. 156-194, ISBN 0812693256, LCCN 97000114, https://webcitation.org/5nY0aytpz .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The ultimate fate of life in universes which undergo inflation", Physics Letters B, Vol. 286, Nos. 1-2 (July 23, 1992), pp. 36-43, doi:10.1016/0370-2693(92)90155-W, bibcode: 1992PhLB..286...36T, https://webcitation.org/64Uskd785 .

* Frank J. Tipler, "A New Condition Implying the Existence of a Constant Mean Curvature Foliation", bibcode: 1993dgr2.conf..306T, in B[ei]. L. Hu and T[ed]. A. Jacobson (Eds.), Directions in General Relativity: Proceedings of the 1993 International Symposium, Maryland, Volume 2: Papers in Honor of Dieter Brill (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 1993), pp. 306-315, ISBN 0521452678, bibcode: 1993dgr2.conf.....H, https://webcitation.org/5qbXJZiX5 .

* Frank J. Tipler, "Ultrarelativistic Rockets and the Ultimate Future of the Universe", NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Workshop Proceedings, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, Jan. 1999, pp. 111-119; an invited paper in the proceedings of a conference held at and sponsored by NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, Ohio, Aug. 12-14, 1997; doi:2060/19990023204, Document ID: 19990023204, Report Number: E-11429; NAS 1.55:208694; NASA/CP-1999-208694, https://webcitation.org/5zPq69I0O . Full proceedings volume: https://webcitation.org/69zAxm0sT .

* Frank J. Tipler, "There Are No Limits To The Open Society", Critical Rationalist, Vol. 3, No. 2 (Sept. 23, 1998), https://webcitation.org/5sFYkHgSS .

* Frank J. Tipler, Jessica Graber, Matthew McGinley, Joshua Nichols-Barrer and Christopher Staecker, "Closed Universes With Black Holes But No Event Horizons As a Solution to the Black Hole Information Problem", arXiv:gr-qc/0003082, Mar. 20, 2000, http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0003082 . Published in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Vol. 379, No. 2 (Aug. 2007), pp. 629-640, doi:10.1111/j.1365-2966.2007.11895.x, bibcode: 2007MNRAS.379..629T, https://webcitation.org/5vQ3M8uxB .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Ultimate Future of the Universe, Black Hole Event Horizon Topologies, Holography, and the Value of the Cosmological Constant", arXiv:astro-ph/0104011, Apr. 1, 2001, http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0104011 . Published in J. Craig Wheeler and Hugo Martel (Eds.), Relativistic Astrophysics: 20th Texas Symposium, Austin, Texas, 10-15 December 2000 (Melville, NY: American Institute of Physics, 2001), pp. 769-772, ISBN 0735400261, LCCN 2001094694, which is AIP Conference Proceedings, Vol. 586 (Oct. 15, 2001), doi:10.1063/1.1419654, bibcode: 2001AIPC..586.....W.

* Frank J. Tipler, "Intelligent life in cosmology", International Journal of Astrobiology, Vol. 2, No. 2 (Apr. 2003), pp. 141-148, doi:10.1017/S1473550403001526, bibcode: 2003IJAsB...2..141T, https://webcitation.org/5o9QHKGuW . Also at arXiv:0704.0058, Mar. 31, 2007, http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.0058 .

* F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers", Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (Apr. 2005), pp. 897-964, doi:10.1088/0034-4885/68/4/R04, bibcode: 2005RPPh...68..897T, http://dauns01.math.tulane.edu/~tipl...everything.pdf . Also released as "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything", arXiv:0704.3276, Apr. 24, 2007, http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.3276 .

* Frank J. Tipler, "Inevitable Existence and Inevitable Goodness of the Singularity", Journal of Consciousness Studies, Vol. 19, Nos. 1-2 (2012), pp. 183-193, https://webcitation.org/69JEi5wHp .

Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, in which the above August 2007 paper was published, is one of the world's leading peer-reviewed astrophysics journals.

Prof. Tipler's paper "Ultrarelativistic Rockets and the Ultimate Future of the Universe" was an invited paper for a conference held at and sponsored by NASA Lewis Research Center, so NASA itself has peer-reviewed Tipler's Omega Point Theorem (peer-review is a standard process for published proceedings papers; and again, Tipler's said paper was an *invited* paper by NASA, as opposed to what are called "poster papers").

Zygon is the world's leading peer-reviewed academic journal on science and religion.

Out of 50 articles, Prof. Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper--which presents the Omega Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE)--was selected as one of 12 for the "Highlights of 2005" accolade as "the very best articles published in Reports on Progress in Physics in 2005 [Vol. 68]. Articles were selected by the Editorial Board for their outstanding reviews of the field. They all received the highest praise from our international referees and a high number of downloads from the journal Website." (See Richard Palmer [Publisher], "Highlights of 2005", Reports on Progress in Physics website, ca. 2006, https://webcitation.org/5o9VkK3eE , https://archive.is/pKD3y .)

Reports on Progress in Physics is the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional body for physicists. Further, Reports on Progress in Physics has a higher impact factor (according to Journal Citation Reports) than Physical Review Letters, which is the most prestigious American physics journal (one, incidently, which Prof. Tipler has been published in more than once). A journal's impact factor reflects the importance the science community places in that journal in the sense of actually citing its papers in their own papers.

For much more on these matters, see my above-cited "Physics of God" article in addition to the following resource:

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", Apr. 18, 2019, https://pastebin.com/6bZDc7rB , https://archive.is/uHEyL , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0423-0435-...n.com/6bZDc7rB .

The only way to avoid the Omega Point cosmology is to reject the aforestated known laws of physics, and hence to reject empirical science: as these physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment to date. That is, there exists no rational reason for thinking that the Omega Point cosmology is incorrect, and indeed, one must engage in extreme irrationality in order to argue against the Omega Point cosmology. As Prof. Stephen Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem." (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)

Additionally, we now have the quantum gravity Theory of Everything (TOE) required by the known laws of physics and that correctly describes and unifies all the forces in physics: of which inherently produces the Omega Point cosmology. So here we have an additional high degree of assurance that the Omega Point cosmology is correct.

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Note:

1. While there is a lot that gets published in physics journals that is anti-reality and nonphysical (such as String Theory, which violates the known laws of physics and has no experimental support whatsoever), the reason such things are allowed to pass the peer-review process is because the paradigm of assumptions which such papers are speaking to has been made known, and within their operating paradigm none of the referees could find anything crucially wrong with said papers. That is, the paradigm itself may have nothing to do with reality, but the peer-reviewers could find nothing fundamentally wrong with such papers within the operating assumptions of that paradigm. Whereas, e.g., the operating paradigm of Prof. Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper and his other papers on the Omega Point Theorem is the known laws of physics, i.e., our actual physical reality which has been repeatedly confirmed by every experiment conducted to date. So the professional physicists charged with refereeing these papers could find nothing fundamentally wrong with them within their operating paradigm, i.e., the known laws of physics.

[James Redford]

Originally Posted by Oystein

See my signature.

I did. It's a jejune non sequitur that reads "Thermodynamics hates conspiracy theorists. (Foster Zygote)". Now I'll direct you to my signature, whereby one can actually learn something existentially vital.

On the matter of the intensive conditioning of the public by government to recoil from conspiracy charges which inculpate it (while at the same time accepting the mendacious, anti-veridical and self-serving conspiracy theories the government promulgates which often lead to mass-death via war, etc.), the following passage by Prof. Murray N. Rothbard is quite edifying:

""
It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any "conspiracy theory of history"; for a search for "conspiracies" means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds. If, however, any tyranny imposed by the State, or venality, or aggressive war, was caused not by the State rulers but by mysterious and arcane "social forces," or by the imperfect state of the world or, if in some way, everyone was responsible ("We Are All Murderers," proclaims one slogan), then there is no point to the people becoming indignant or rising up against such misdeeds. Furthermore, an attack on "conspiracy theories" means that the subjects will become more gullible in believing the "general welfare" reasons that are always put forth by the State for engaging in any of its despotic actions. A "conspiracy theory" can unsettle the system by causing the public to doubt the State's ideological propaganda.
""

(From Prof. Murray N. Rothbard, "The Anatomy of the State", Rampart Journal of Individualist Thought, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Summer 1965), pp. 1-24, https://mises.org/system/tdf/rampart...&type=document , https://webcitation.org/6ZvAbaX8z , http://www.freezepage.com/1447053835DURFWXQOPM . Reprinted in a collection of some of Rothbard's articles, Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays (Washington, DC: Libertarian Review Press, 1974), https://mises.org/sites/default/file...20Essays_2.pdf , https://webcitation.org/6XfwvbslB .)

The inherent, unchangeable nature of government is colossal conspiracy. Recall that a conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part in an action which involves doing something improper to others (of which action may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary component for actions to be a conspiracy). The mere fact that governments set for themselves legal double-standards is alone quite enough to logically demonstrate that governments themselves consider their own actions improper (i.e., if their same actions which they do to others are done to them they regard it as a crime). Thus, the conclusion that government itself is the largest conspiracy to ever exist or that could ever exist is logically unavoidable.

[James Redford]

Originally Posted by beachnut

lol, what a pile of steaming crap, and woo, like, "The Mark of the Beast" -

"The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything" has lies about thermite used on 9/11. The rest of the paper is offtopic at best.

Why do you spread lies about 9/11?

I spread the truth about the US government-staged 9/11 attacks, unlike the genocidal maniacs who have been ruling over us.

The US government has routinely mass-murdered is own subjects in staged terrorist attacks in order to have a pretext for usurping ever more power, such as with the 9/11 attacks, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Pearl Harbor attack, etc. Regarding the US government's Gulf of Tonkin false-flag operation, some 58,000 US citizens died in the Vietnam War which directly resulted from said false-flag operation. This was nothing less than mass-murder by the US government against these US citizens, since their deaths were the result of malice aforethought by the US government: the US president and the US's highest military leaders involved in staging this false-flag operation cannot coherently claim that they are not responsible for these US citizens' deaths, no more than one who throws a person into a lion's den can veridically claim innocence in the victim's resulting death. Such an abuser is fully guilty of murder.

For a much deeper examination into the aforesaid three US government-staged pretext-attacks, see Sec. 8.2.1 of my following article, in particular pp. 70-86:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

[Jaytje46]

You lost me at the physics of God...

[DGM]

Originally Posted by James Redford

The US government has routinely mass-murdered is own subjects in staged terrorist attacks in order to have a pretext for usurping ever more power...........................

Have you been outside in the last twenty years??????

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by James Redford

I spread the truth about the US government-staged 9/11 attacks, unlike the genocidal maniacs who have been ruling over us.

The US government has routinely mass-murdered is own subjects in staged terrorist attacks in order to have a pretext for usurping ever more power, such as with the 9/11 attacks, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Pearl Harbor attack, etc. Regarding the US government's Gulf of Tonkin false-flag operation, some 58,000 US citizens died in the Vietnam War which directly resulted from said false-flag operation. This was nothing less than mass-murder by the US government against these US citizens, since their deaths were the result of malice aforethought by the US government: the US president and the US's highest military leaders involved in staging this false-flag operation cannot coherently claim that they are not responsible for these US citizens' deaths, no more than one who throws a person into a lion's den can veridically claim innocence in the victim's resulting death. Such an abuser is fully guilty of murder.

For a much deeper examination into the aforesaid three US government-... .

You have no clue you are spreading lies about 9/11.

You are off topic big time.

[MileHighMadness]

Wow...looks like someone has way too much free time on their hands.

[Axxman300]

Originally Posted by James Redford

I spread the truth about the US government-staged 9/11 attacks, unlike the genocidal maniacs who have been ruling over us.

It is clear you have no clear concept of what the truth is.

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The US government has routinely mass-murdered is own subjects in staged terrorist attacks in order to have a pretext for usurping ever more power,

Routinely...and yet it doesn't have any more power than it did on 9/10/2001.

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such as with the 9/11 attacks, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Pearl Harbor attack, etc.

What you're saying is that there is no LSD-fueled conspiracy that you don't believe.

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Regarding the US government's Gulf of Tonkin false-flag operation, some 58,000 US citizens died in the Vietnam War which directly resulted from said false-flag operation.

This is an intellectually painful over simplification based on ignorance of history.

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This was nothing less than mass-murder by the US government against these US citizens, since their deaths were the result of malice aforethought by the US government: the US president and the US's highest military leaders involved in staging this false-flag operation cannot coherently claim that they are not responsible for these US citizens' deaths, no more than one who throws a person into a lion's den can veridically claim innocence in the victim's resulting death. Such an abuser is fully guilty of murder.

Neat. Do you do any magic tricks?

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For a much deeper examination into the aforesaid three US government-staged pretext-attacks, see Sec. 8.2.1 of my following article, in particular pp. 70-86:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network blah,blah,blah

First, nobody likes a religious fanatic. Second, nobody likes a religious fanatic who is also bad at religion. Case in point: If you believe in God then you know that thou shalt not use the lord God's name in vain...which is what you're doing. The Bible is clear on the subject of trying to prove God's existence and how it's a waste of time and technically sacrilegious because you're dragging God down to your level. Your "article" shows a tremendous lack of faith in God simply from your hubris in trying to apply science to a subject/entity that doesn't need it.

Worse, you hide behind God (like Al Qaeda) to justify your intellectually inept world view.

Someone with a healthy belief in God will tell you that God made Isaac Newton, Einstein, and every other physicist. The science built upon their work is tested every day and it is solid. The science says 9-11 was the result of 19 Al Qaeda hijackers.

The case is closed. You've come to the wrong place.

[timhau]

You guys really think you can argue with a 490-entry bibliography and 330 footnotes?

[SpitfireIX]

Originally Posted by James Redford

I spread the truth about the US government-staged 9/11 attacks, unlike the genocidal maniacs who have been ruling over us.

The US government has routinely mass-murdered is own subjects in staged terrorist attacks in order to have a pretext for usurping ever more power, such as with the 9/11 attacks, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Pearl Harbor attack, etc. Regarding the US government's Gulf of Tonkin false-flag operation, some 58,000 US citizens died in the Vietnam War which directly resulted from said false-flag operation. This was nothing less than mass-murder by the US government against these US citizens, since their deaths were the result of malice aforethought by the US government: the US president and the US's highest military leaders involved in staging this false-flag operation cannot coherently claim that they are not responsible for these US citizens' deaths, no more than one who throws a person into a lion's den can veridically claim innocence in the victim's resulting death. Such an abuser is fully guilty of murder.

Your "evidence," (and I use the term loosely), does not support the fantasy that any of these attacks were "false-flag operation[s]," and, frankly, you appear not to understand the meaning of that expression.

[SpitfireIX]

Originally Posted by Axxman300

First, nobody likes a religious fanatic. Second, nobody likes a religious fanatic who is also bad at religion. Case in point: If you believe in God then you know that thou shalt not use the lord God's name in vain...which is what you're doing. The Bible is clear on the subject of trying to prove God's existence and how it's a waste of time and technically sacrilegious because you're dragging God down to your level. Your "article" shows a tremendous lack of faith in God simply from your hubris in trying to apply science to a subject/entity that doesn't need it.

Worse, you hide behind God (like Al Qaeda) to justify your intellectually inept world view.

Someone with a healthy belief in God will tell you that God made Isaac Newton, Einstein, and every other physicist. The science built upon their work is tested every day and it is solid. The science says 9-11 was the result of 19 Al Qaeda hijackers.

Christian here. Absolutely could not have said it better myself.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by James Redford

... Now I'll direct you to my signature, whereby one can actually learn something existentially vital. ...

"Vital" is derived from "vita" = "life", and "existential" is related to "existance". Both words are inappropriate in the extreme to the subject of the book you refer to in your signature - "Jesus Is an Anarchist". You see, since Jesus does not, nor ever did, in fact exist, he/she/it can't be said to have anything "vital" (related to life) about him or her or it.

And Thermodynamics still hates Conspiracy Theorists. They never seem to enter into a fruitful, amicable relationship with it. The moment a CTer even drops the word "thermodynamics", something goes terribly wrong.

[Whip]

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see pp. 75-84 of my following article:

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[James Redford]

Originally Posted by Axxman300

Originally Posted by James Redford

I spread the truth about the US government-staged 9/11 attacks, unlike the genocidal maniacs who have been ruling over us.

It is clear you have no clear concept of what the truth is.

Jesus Christ is the Truth. Your inner-demons know that to be the case. The naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of old--i.e., the demons--seek to distance people from genuine knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests as various forms of fear-based irrational beliefs. Demons are quite real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on this, see my following article:

* James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Free State Project Forum, May 31, 2018, https://web.archive.org/web/20190419...?topic=28925.0 , https://archive.is/Flah8 , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0420-0219-...?topic=28925.0 .

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The US government has routinely mass-murdered is own subjects in staged terrorist attacks in order to have a pretext for usurping ever more power,

Routinely...and yet it doesn't have any more power than it did on 9/10/2001.

Over a million killed Iraqis later, of which Iraqis were killed due to the US government's 2003 invasion of Iraq and its subsequent aftermath which was part of the US government's War on Terror campaign that used the US government-staged 9/11 attacks as its pretext. For those death-toll figures, see pp. 84-86 of my following article:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

And since the US government-staged 9/11 attacks, the laws of the US have been restructured to allow US citizens to be held indefinitely and in secret without even being charged; they can be tried by a secret military tribunal where they will not have the right to cross-examine their accusers; and they can be executed in secret. Indeed, US citizens have already been held for years without any charges even having been filed against them. For details on this, see my following post:

* James Redford, "Crushing Children's Testicles: Welcome to the New Freedom", PrisonPlanet Forum, Sept. 11, 2007, https://web.archive.org/web/20190730...php?topic=5731 , https://archive.is/kmV6f , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0731-0607-...php?topic=5731 .

Further, there was the creation of the US Department of Homeland Security and its Transportation Security Administration (TSA) subagency that were justified based upon the US government-staged 9/11 attacks.

But then again, who cares about genocide and tyranny. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show?

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such as with the 9/11 attacks, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Pearl Harbor attack, etc.

What you're saying is that there is no LSD-fueled conspiracy that you don't believe.

I am not proposing--let alone enacting--invading, bombing and mass-murdering innocent people in foreign lands, nor the diminishment of a scintilla of domestic liberty, based upon lies and fevered phantasms of the mind. Yet the erroneous and mendacious conspiracy theorists of the state have the blood of millions upon their hands. It is individuals who believe governments' false conspiracy theories who are the truly addled ones.

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Regarding the US government's Gulf of Tonkin false-flag operation, some 58,000 US citizens died in the Vietnam War which directly resulted from said false-flag operation.

This is an intellectually painful over simplification based on ignorance of history.

That's a wishful yet irrational religious belief on your part. The second supposed incident of the Gulf of Tonkin affair was a completely premeditated and planned false-flag operation by US President Lyndon Johnson, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, and the highest US military leaders. I meticulously went through the White House audio recordings, and I provide detailed transcripts of how this false-flag operation was preplanned in pp. 71-75 of my aforementioned "Physics of God" article.

I emphasize again regarding the US government's Gulf of Tonkin false-flag operation: some 58,000 US citizens died in the Vietnam War which directly resulted from said false-flag operation. This was nothing less than mass-murder by the US government against these US citizens, since their deaths were the result of malice aforethought by the US government: the US president and the US's highest military leaders involved in staging this false-flag operation cannot coherently claim that they are not responsible for these US citizens' deaths, no more than one who throws a person into a lion's den can veridically claim innocence in the victim's resulting death. Such an abuser is fully guilty of murder.

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This was nothing less than mass-murder by the US government against these US citizens, since their deaths were the result of malice aforethought by the US government: the US president and the US's highest military leaders involved in staging this false-flag operation cannot coherently claim that they are not responsible for these US citizens' deaths, no more than one who throws a person into a lion's den can veridically claim innocence in the victim's resulting death. Such an abuser is fully guilty of murder.

Neat. Do you do any magic tricks?

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For a much deeper examination into the aforesaid three US government-staged pretext-attacks, see Sec. 8.2.1 of my following article, in particular pp. 70-86:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network blah,blah,blah

First, nobody likes a religious fanatic. Second, nobody likes a religious fanatic who is also bad at religion. Case in point: If you believe in God then you know that thou shalt not use the lord God's name in vain...which is what you're doing. The Bible is clear on the subject of trying to prove God's existence and how it's a waste of time and technically sacrilegious because you're dragging God down to your level. Your "article" shows a tremendous lack of faith in God simply from your hubris in trying to apply science to a subject/entity that doesn't need it.

Unlike you, I have no faith in the vulgar English sense of that word. What I have is veridical knowledge.

The word used in the New Testament for faith is *pistis* (πίστις), which means persuasion, as in persuaded by the evidence. It further carries the meaning of a ground of belief, a guarantee, an assurance. Faith in the Christian sense is trust in the truth, even when things seem hopeless. It does not mean a lack of rationality in coming to belief in Jesus Christ.

Paul appealed to reason when he wrote in Romans 1:19,20 that an understanding of the natural world leads to knowledge of God (NKJV):

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because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, ...
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Traditional Christian theology has maintained that God never violates natural law, as God, in His omniscience, knew in the beginning all that He wanted to achieve and so, in His omnipotence, He formed the laws of physics in order to achieve His goal. The idea that God would violate His own laws would mean that God is not omniscient.

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Worse, you hide behind God (like Al Qaeda) to justify your intellectually inept world view.

al-Qaeda was founded by the US government and has always been a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Western governments. al-Qaeda has never acted against the interests of the Western governments, but instead is a tool used by the US and European governments in order to set-up a clash of civilizations. For a great deal more on this, see the following resource:

* Dr. Tim Howells, "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?", Physics911.org, Nov. 10, 2003, https://web.archive.org/web/20090829...orthwoods.html , https://archive.is/3WmCB , http://www.freezepage.com/1564534223OBWASSMUYQ .

As Prof. Noam Chomsky correctly observed, the so-called New Atheists are themselves quite religious. They worship a God, but their God is the state. (Note that Chomsky himself is guilty of state-worship in a number of areas, but nevertheless, despite his many faults, he does sometimes make penetrating observations.) Their objections to others' religions, especially Christianity, is simply nothing more than attempting to eliminate their competition. However, as Chomsky also astutely noted, the New Atheists' religion is by far the most bloody and murderous religion to ever exist. Eliminating God in the 20th century didn't make the governments more liberal; instead, it simply removed any higher notion of truth to which those governments were expected to abide. The state made itself God.

The anti-Christ religion of government is the irrational religion of lies, gang-rape, mutilating torture and mass-murder. Whereas Christianity is the rational religion of truth, peace, eternal life and divergence to infinite pleasure and intelligence.

The foregoing process which I describe is actually logically unavoidable. If God in the literal sense of the infinite sapient being does not exist, then all is permissible. Even if one can prove that, say, libertarianism is apodictically true in the same degree that 2+2 = 4 is true, so what? In the end, we're all dead anyway. The only thing that could give life any meaning beyond mere delusion is if God exists, since then an infinite computational state would exist, thereby allowing finite minds to endlessly grow in complexity toward infinite perfection (per the Quantum Recurrence Theorem). Only then would one's life-work avoid coming to naught. Only then would what one does now actually matter in the end.

As it turns out, the universe is a machine that will diverge to infinite computing power.

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Someone with a healthy belief in God will tell you that God made Isaac Newton, Einstein, and every other physicist. The science built upon their work is tested every day and it is solid. The science says 9-11 was the result of 19 Al Qaeda hijackers.

The case is closed. You've come to the wrong place.

For irrefragable physicochemical proof that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job by deep-state elements of the US government--i.e., via the use of large quantities of thermite in the case of the collapse of the three destroyed World Trade Center towers--see pp. 75-84 of my above-cited "Physics of God" article.

My aforesaid article concerns physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) of God's existence per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics). Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals. However, it also analyzes the societal implications of said, particularly the implications of the exponential advancement of technology and hence also the coming radical life-extension technologies (i.e., transhumanism) in light of a world dominated by a callous oligarchy.

[James Redford]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Originally Posted by James Redford

... Now I'll direct you to my signature, whereby one can actually learn something existentially vital. ...

"Vital" is derived from "vita" = "life", and "existential" is related to "existance". Both words are inappropriate in the extreme to the subject of the book you refer to in your signature - "Jesus Is an Anarchist". You see, since Jesus does not, nor ever did, in fact exist, he/she/it can't be said to have anything "vital" (related to life) about him or her or it.

Christianity is objectively correct so far as can be rationally known, and to the extent that other religions/philosophies contradict it, to that extent they are incorrect. The totality of all science has been a mostly-unwitting exercise in proving Christianity correct. The people who developed the various fields of modern science for the most part weren't consciously attempting to prove Christianity true, yet they nonetheless ended up doing so. To wit:

God's existence is a mathematical theorem within standard physics. Standard physics is the known laws of physics, viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics. This theorem has been given in the form of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology. These aforestated known physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment conducted to date. Hence, the only way to avoid Tipler's Omega Point Theorem is to reject empirical science. As Prof. Stephen Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem." (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)

Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals, such as Reports on Progress in Physics (the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional organization for physicists), Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (one of the world's leading astrophysics journals), the International Journal of Theoretical Physics (a journal that Nobel Prize in Physics winner Richard Feynman also published in), and Physics Letters, among other journals.

Prof. Tipler's Ph.D. is in the field of Global General Relativity, which is the field created by Profs. Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose during the formulation of their Singularity Theorems in the 1960s. Global General Relativity is General Relativity applied on the scale of the entire universe as a whole, and is the most elite and rarefied field of physics. Tipler is also an expert in quantum field theory (i.e., Quantum Mechanics combined with special-relativistic particle physics) and computer theory.

For much more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", Apr. 18, 2019, https://pastebin.com/6bZDc7rB , https://archive.is/uHEyL , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0423-0435-...n.com/6bZDc7rB .

For the historical reliability of Jesus Christ's bodily resurrection and the untenability of theories which deny his resurrection, see:

* Prof. William Lane Craig, "Contemporary Scholarship and the Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ", Truth: A Journal of Modern Thought, Vol. 1 (1985), pp. 89-95, https://webcitation.org/69KCm4WtO , https://archive.is/8ypeB .

For more on the historicity of Jesus Christ's resurrection, see William Lane Craig, Reasonable Faith: Christian Truth and Apologetics (Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books, 3rd ed., 2008), Ch. 8: "The Resurrection of Jesus", pp. 333-404, particularly pp. 360 ff.

Regarding the Christ myth theory, virtually all the items which the Christ myth theorists claim as facts which show the parallels of Christianity with earlier pagan religions are completely fabricated modern claims that can't be found in the historical record. For an excellent discussion on this, see the following video:

* "Shattering the Christ Myth", DrCraigJohnson (YouTube), Apr. 17, 2009, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...43654F0F6D4DA8 . Mirror: "Veritas Forum: Shattering the Christ Myth", Bethel Christian Fellowship, 26:39 min:sec, https://www.bitchute.com/video/Uo1HFlDMDhtS/ , http://bethelchristianfellowship.inf...ythCopyCat.m4v , https://bit.ly/2PzXxtV .

The above video is an interview of James Patrick Holding (editor of Shattering the Christ Myth: Did Jesus Not Exist? [Maitland, Fla.: Xulon Press, 2008], https://amazon.com/dp/1606472712 ) by Dr. Craig Johnson on the topic of the Christ myth theory. See also the below resources regarding the Christ myth theory on J. P. Holding's website:

* "Were Bible stories and characters stolen from pagan myths?", Tekton Education and Apologetics Ministry, http://www.tektonics.org/copycathub.html .

* "Did Jesus exist?", op. cit., http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.html .

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And Thermodynamics still hates Conspiracy Theorists. They never seem to enter into a fruitful, amicable relationship with it. The moment a CTer even drops the word "thermodynamics", something goes terribly wrong.

You're a conspiracy theorist, it's just that the conspiracy theories which you believe in are government lies that result in genocide. Had enough people listened to truth-tellers such as me then these genocides would have been prevented. On the matter of the intensive conditioning of the public by government to recoil from conspiracy charges which inculpate it (while at the same time accepting the mendacious, anti-veridical and self-serving conspiracy theories the government promulgates which often lead to mass-death via war, etc.), the following passage by Prof. Murray N. Rothbard is quite edifying:

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It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any "conspiracy theory of history"; for a search for "conspiracies" means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds. If, however, any tyranny imposed by the State, or venality, or aggressive war, was caused not by the State rulers but by mysterious and arcane "social forces," or by the imperfect state of the world or, if in some way, everyone was responsible ("We Are All Murderers," proclaims one slogan), then there is no point to the people becoming indignant or rising up against such misdeeds. Furthermore, an attack on "conspiracy theories" means that the subjects will become more gullible in believing the "general welfare" reasons that are always put forth by the State for engaging in any of its despotic actions. A "conspiracy theory" can unsettle the system by causing the public to doubt the State's ideological propaganda.
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(From Prof. Murray N. Rothbard, "The Anatomy of the State", Rampart Journal of Individualist Thought, Vol. 1, No. 2 [Summer 1965], pp. 1-24, https://mises.org/system/tdf/rampart...&type=document , https://webcitation.org/6ZvAbaX8z , http://www.freezepage.com/1447053835DURFWXQOPM . Reprinted in a collection of some of Rothbard's articles, Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays [Washington, DC: Libertarian Review Press, 1974], https://mises.org/sites/default/file...20Essays_2.pdf , https://webcitation.org/6XfwvbslB .)

The inherent, unchangeable nature of government is colossal conspiracy. Recall that a conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part in an action which involves doing something improper to others (of which action may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary component for actions to be a conspiracy). The mere fact that governments set for themselves legal double-standards is alone quite enough to logically demonstrate that governments themselves consider their own actions improper (i.e., if their same actions which they do to others are done to them they regard it as a crime). Thus, the conclusion that government itself is the largest conspiracy to ever exist or that could ever exist is logically unavoidable.

[James Redford]

Originally Posted by SpitfireIX

Originally Posted by Axxman300

It is clear you have no clear concept of what the truth is.
First, nobody likes a religious fanatic. Second, nobody likes a religious fanatic who is also bad at religion. Case in point: If you believe in God then you know that thou shalt not use the lord God's name in vain...which is what you're doing. The Bible is clear on the subject of trying to prove God's existence and how it's a waste of time and technically sacrilegious because you're dragging God down to your level. Your "article" shows a tremendous lack of faith in God simply from your hubris in trying to apply science to a subject/entity that doesn't need it.

Worse, you hide behind God (like Al Qaeda) to justify your intellectually inept world view.

Someone with a healthy belief in God will tell you that God made Isaac Newton, Einstein, and every other physicist. The science built upon their work is tested every day and it is solid. The science says 9-11 was the result of 19 Al Qaeda hijackers.

Christian here. Absolutely could not have said it better myself.

Paul appealed to reason when he wrote in Romans 1:19,20 that an understanding of the natural world leads to knowledge of God (NKJV):

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because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, ...
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You are substituting God's laws for your own or other people's *a priori* desires as to how the world should be, an epistemological methodology that was the basis of Aristotelianism. You are in effect saying that you know better than God how the world actually works, and that God's laws aren't good enough--that God doesn't know what He is doing. Yet as Paul quite clearly points out in his rebuke of that position, even God's transcendent invisible and eternal attributes can be known by a study of physical reality. After all, the laws of nature are God's laws. In studying God's laws, one is necessarily studying the intellect of God.

Traditional Christian theology has maintained that God never violates natural law, as God, in His omniscience, knew in the beginning all that He wanted to achieve and so, in His omnipotence, He formed the laws of physics in order to achieve His goal. The idea that God would violate His own laws would mean that God is not omniscient.

Per your epistemic methodology, rejecting empirical science is precisely how the physics community is handling this discomfiting matter. Unfortunately, most modern physicists have been all too willing to abandon the laws of physics if it produces results that they're uncomfortable with, i.e., in reference to religion. It's the antagonism for religion on the part of the scientific community which greatly held up the acceptance of the Big Bang (for some 40 years), due to said scientific community's displeasure with it confirming the traditional theological position of *creatio ex nihilo*, and also because no laws of physics can apply to the singularity itself: i.e., quite literally, the singularity is supernatural, in the sense that no form of physics can apply to it, since physical values are at infinity at the singularity, and so it is not possible to perform arithmetical operations on them; and in the sense that the singularity is beyond creation, as it is not a part of spacetime, but rather is the boundary of space and time.

In Prof. Stephen Hawking's book coauthored with physicist Dr. Leonard Mlodinow and published in 2010, Hawking uses the String Theory extension M-Theory to argue that God's existence isn't necessary, although M-Theory has no observational evidence confirming it.

With String Theory and other nonempirical physics, the physics community is reverting back to the epistemological methodology of Aristotelianism, which held to physical theories based upon *a priori* philosophical ideals. One of the *a priori* ideals held by many present-day physicists is that God cannot exist, and so if rejecting the existence of God requires rejecting empirical science, then so be it.

For details on this rejection of physical law by physicists if it conflicts with their distaste for religion, see Sec. 5: "The Big Bang", pp. 28 ff. of my following article:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

The evolutionary psychological reason for the above-described bizarre behavior of physicists rejecting physical law when it demonstrates God's existence is due to the naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of old--i.e., the demons--seeking to distance people from genuine knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests as various forms of etatism: the state becomes God. Demons are quite real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on this, see my following article:

* James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Free State Project Forum, May 31, 2018, https://web.archive.org/web/20190419...?topic=28925.0 , https://archive.is/Flah8 , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0420-0219-...?topic=28925.0 .

[Axxman300]

Originally Posted by James Redford

Jesus Christ is the Truth. Your inner-demons know that to be the case. The naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of old--i.e., the demons--seek to distance people from genuine knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests as various forms of fear-based irrational beliefs. Demons are quite real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on this, see my following article:

You just underlined my point. You have no grasp of Truth, or THE TRUTH.

And let me throw my credibility out the window right here; I'm a ghost hunter. Here's what you need to know about "demons": They're rare and they're over-rated. Just like cigarettes and alcohol they don't have any more power over someone than that person allows. Demons are a big let down.

I love how you keep citing yourself as a source.

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Over a million killed Iraqis later, of which Iraqis were killed due to the US government's 2003 invasion of Iraq and its subsequent aftermath which was part of the US government's War on Terror campaign that used the US government-staged 9/11 attacks as its pretext. For those death-toll figures, see pp. 84-86 of my following article:

The Iraqi civilian death toll is around 460,000, about a half- million. I find it troubling that a guy who wrote a physics paper has such a poor grasp of numbers. I know, blame the demons.

Can your Superior Intellect explain how staging an attack by a terrorist organization based in Tora Bora, Afghanistan (at the time), using Saudi, and Egyptian operatives to hijack commercial planes to fly into buildings was a great way to build a pretext to invade Iraq. Seems very stupid to me, but then again I'm just a simpleton who hunts ghosts for fun. Maybe I should write a scientific paper too! I know, I'll call it "Charmin".

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And since the US government-staged 9/11 attacks, the laws of the US have been restructured to allow US citizens to be held indefinitely and in secret without even being charged; they can be tried by a secret military tribunal where they will not have the right to cross-examine their accusers; and they can be executed in secret. Indeed, US citizens have already been held for years without any charges even having been filed against them. For details on this, see my following post:

Sorry, Skippy, if you're going to cite sources on this board you need to cite CREDIBLE SOURCES:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/27/...administration

https://www.aclu.org/other/top-ten-abuses-power-911

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/...without-charge

Prison Planet is delusional on a good day.

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Further, there was the creation of the US Department of Homeland Security and its Transportation Security Administration (TSA) subagency that were justified based upon the US government-staged 9/11 attacks.

..and?

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I am not proposing--let alone enacting--invading, bombing and mass-murdering innocent people in foreign lands, nor the diminishment of a scintilla of domestic liberty, based upon lies and fevered phantasms of the mind. Yet the erroneous and mendacious conspiracy theorists of the state have the blood of millions upon their hands. It is individuals who believe governments' false conspiracy theories who are the truly addled ones.

*slow clap* Well...good thing you wrote that scientific paper then. That showed 'em.

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That's a wishful yet irrational religious belief on your part. The second supposed incident of the Gulf of Tonkin affair was a completely premeditated and planned false-flag operation by US President Lyndon Johnson, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, and the highest US military leaders. I meticulously went through the White House audio recordings, and I provide detailed transcripts of how this false-flag operation was preplanned in pp. 71-75 of my aforementioned "Physics of God" article.

That's a lot of work when all you had to do was look up microfiche of the Berkeley community news papers and probably the Village Voice from 1965 because there were plenty of articles disputing the accuracy of the Johnson Administration's version of the story. I know, that requires actual work, and writing your scientific god paper must have worn you out. Either way, Tonkin was just one in a string of events that allowed Johnson to escalate Vietnam.

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I emphasize again regarding the US government's Gulf of Tonkin false-flag operation: some 58,000 US citizens died in the Vietnam War which directly resulted from said false-flag operation. This was nothing less than mass-murder by the US government against these US citizens, since their deaths were the result of malice aforethought by the US government: the US president and the US's highest military leaders involved in staging this false-flag operation cannot coherently claim that they are not responsible for these US citizens' deaths, no more than one who throws a person into a lion's den can veridically claim innocence in the victim's resulting death. Such an abuser is fully guilty of murder.

Okay, you already said that in your last post. Again your attention to detail is lacking.

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Unlike you, I have no faith in the vulgar English sense of that word. What I have is veridical knowledge.

What you have are mental hemorrhoids.

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The word used in the New Testament for faith is *pistis* (πίστις), which means persuasion, as in persuaded by the evidence. It further carries the meaning of a ground of belief, a guarantee, an assurance. Faith in the Christian sense is trust in the truth, even when things seem hopeless. It does not mean a lack of rationality in coming to belief in Jesus Christ.

You missed the point. And I'm not explaining it to you, but you fail.

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Paul appealed to reason when he wrote in Romans 1:19,20 that an understanding of the natural world leads to knowledge of God (NKJV):

Paul is not Jesus.

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Traditional Christian theology has maintained that God never violates natural law, as God, in His omniscience, knew in the beginning all that He wanted to achieve and so, in His omnipotence, He formed the laws of physics in order to achieve His goal. The idea that God would violate His own laws would mean that God is not omniscient.

And yet Theology predates Christianity by 3,000 years or more. You need to talk to a Rabbi sometime. Spoiler alert: after 5000 years the Jews don't have a handle on God either.

Plus there is a whole lot of blasphemy in your statement. You presume to know what God was up to, and God's motivations, and God's habits. There is no way to know those things if you truly believe in a God.

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al-Qaeda was founded by the US government and has always been a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Western governments. al-Qaeda has never acted against the interests of the Western governments, but instead is a tool used by the US and European governments in order to set-up a clash of civilizations. For a great deal more on this, see the following resource:

Oh man, you just bore false witness big time. If God has internet access you are screwed. Seriously, nothing you just wrote is true.

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As Prof. Noam Chomsky correctly observed....,

Oh good, you're citing Naom now. Your research abilities are amazing.

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The anti-Christ religion of government is the irrational religion of lies, gang-rape, mutilating torture and mass-murder. Whereas Christianity is the rational religion of truth, peace, eternal life and divergence to infinite pleasure and intelligence.

And yet here you are - lying about 9-11, and you have come here looking for a fight.

I find your lack of faith disturbing. (Vader's letter to the Regional Governor)

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The foregoing process which I describe is actually logically unavoidable. If God in the literal sense of the infinite sapient being does not exist, then all is permissible. Even if one can prove that, say, libertarianism is apodictically true in the same degree that 2+2 = 4 is true, so what? In the end, we're all dead anyway. The only thing that could give life any meaning beyond mere delusion is if God exists, since then an infinite computational state would exist, thereby allowing finite minds to endlessly grow in complexity toward infinite perfection (per the Quantum Recurrence Theorem). Only then would one's life-work avoid coming to naught. Only then would what one does now actually matter in the end.

None of this has anything to do with 9-11, faith, or God.

If you think the US Government staged 9-11 to invade Iraq then you don't grasp the meaning of 2+2=4.

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For irrefragable physicochemical proof that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job by deep-state elements of the US government--i.e., via the use of large quantities of thermite in the case of the collapse of the three destroyed World Trade Center towers--see pp. 75-84 of my above-cited "Physics of God" article.

No, you offer no proof. Just ramblings of someone who should seek medical assistance.

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My aforesaid article concerns physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) of God's existence per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics). Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals. However, it also analyzes the societal implications of said, particularly the implications of the exponential advancement of technology and hence also the coming radical life-extension technologies (i.e., transhumanism) in light of a world dominated by a callous oligarchy.

I cite this a proof you need help.

[Hellbound]

I think Shakespear hit upon the best definition of a fanatic, although not intentionally or knowingly:

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[BStrong]

Two lies for the price of one - What a deal!

[alfaniner]

You had me at "irrefragable". It sounds like something that the Cowardly Lion would boast.

"I'm irrefragable! Ain't it the truth! Ain't it the truth! Rowr!"

[Sherman Bay]

Originally Posted by alfaniner

You had me at "irrefragable". It sounds like something that the Cowardly Lion would boast.

"I'm irrefragable! Ain't it the truth! Ain't it the truth! Rowr!"

Inconceivable! "You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means."

[Axxman300]

The irony is that someone who sets out trying to explain the physics behind God actually has less respect for that God than atheists do.

This isn't even good religion. One could make a better case for the "Physics of God" by exploring the stories of the survivors and how there could have been divine intervention. Sure in the end it boiled down to luck but it's so much more constructive than this drivel.

[timhau]

This seems to be working towards a truly transformative hermeneutics of quantum gravity.

[Allen773]

What is this thread?

[Chanakya]

Irrefragable

[Allen773]

Inconceivable!

[Chanakya]

Execrable

[bknight]

Originally Posted by James Redford

You're in great luck, Bknight. As it just so happens, a free article (actually, a book) has been written on these very topics which uses the Scholarly Method extensively, with 490 entries in the Bibliography and 330 footnotes. For the answer to your first question, see Sec. 3: "Physics of the Omega Point Cosmology", pp. 12 ff. and Sec. 5: "The Big Bang", pp. 28 ff. of my below article. For the answers to your second and third questions, see pp. 75-84 of my following article.

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .

First off, I indicated you can't link your own documents to prove your premise, and then that is exactly what you did. Proving a premise with the premise, REALLY? FAIL bigtime as this is a logical fallacy.

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And since you asked for direct links posted within this thread:

Physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology, which is a proof of God's existence, has been peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics and science journals as a mathematical theorem per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics).[1] Even NASA itself has peer-reviewed his Omega Point Theorem and found it correct according to the known physical laws (see below). No refutation of it exists within the peer-reviewed scientific literature, or anywhere else for that matter.

Below are some of the peer-reviewed papers in physics and science journals and proceedings wherein Prof. Tipler has published his Omega Point cosmology.

* Frank J. Tipler, "Cosmological Limits on Computation", International Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 25, No. 6 (June 1986), pp. 617-661, doi:10.1007/BF00670475, bibcode: 1986IJTP...25..617T, https://webcitation.org/64KHgOccs . First paper on the Omega Point cosmology.

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Sensorium of God: Newton and Absolute Space", bibcode: 1988nnds.conf..215T, in G[eorge]. V. Coyne, M[ichal]. Heller and J[ozef]. Zycinski (Eds.), "Message" by Franciszek Macharski, Newton and the New Direction in Science: Proceedings of the Cracow Conference, 25 to 28 May 1987 (Vatican City: Specola Vaticana, 1988), pp. 215-228, LCCN 88162460, bibcode: 1988nnds.conf.....C, https://webcitation.org/69Vb0JF1W .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Omega Point Theory: A Model of an Evolving God", in Robert J. Russell, William R. Stoeger and George V. Coyne (Eds.), message by John Paul II, Physics, Philosophy, and Theology: A Common Quest for Understanding (Vatican City: Vatican Observatory, 2nd ed., 2005; orig. pub. 1988), pp. 313-331, ISBN 0268015775, LCCN 89203331, bibcode: 1988pptc.book.....R, https://webcitation.org/69VaKG2nd .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Anthropic Principle: A Primer for Philosophers", in Arthur Fine and Jarrett Leplin (Eds.), PSA 1988: Proceedings of the 1988 Biennial Meeting of the Philosophy of Science Association, Volume Two: Symposia and Invited Papers (East Lansing, Mich.: Philosophy of Science Association, 1989), pp. 27-48, ISBN 091758628X, https://webcitation.org/69VarCM3I .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Omega Point as Eschaton: Answers to Pannenberg's Questions for Scientists", Zygon: Journal of Religion & Science, Vol. 24, No. 2 (June 1989), pp. 217-253, doi:10.1111/j.1467-9744.1989.tb01112.x. Republished as Chapter 7: "The Omega Point as Eschaton: Answers to Pannenberg's Questions to Scientists" in Carol Rausch Albright and Joel Haugen (Eds.), Beginning with the End: God, Science, and Wolfhart Pannenberg (Chicago, Ill.: Open Court Publishing Company, 1997), pp. 156-194, ISBN 0812693256, LCCN 97000114, https://webcitation.org/5nY0aytpz .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The ultimate fate of life in universes which undergo inflation", Physics Letters B, Vol. 286, Nos. 1-2 (July 23, 1992), pp. 36-43, doi:10.1016/0370-2693(92)90155-W, bibcode: 1992PhLB..286...36T, https://webcitation.org/64Uskd785 .

* Frank J. Tipler, "A New Condition Implying the Existence of a Constant Mean Curvature Foliation", bibcode: 1993dgr2.conf..306T, in B[ei]. L. Hu and T[ed]. A. Jacobson (Eds.), Directions in General Relativity: Proceedings of the 1993 International Symposium, Maryland, Volume 2: Papers in Honor of Dieter Brill (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 1993), pp. 306-315, ISBN 0521452678, bibcode: 1993dgr2.conf.....H, https://webcitation.org/5qbXJZiX5 .

* Frank J. Tipler, "Ultrarelativistic Rockets and the Ultimate Future of the Universe", NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Workshop Proceedings, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, Jan. 1999, pp. 111-119; an invited paper in the proceedings of a conference held at and sponsored by NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, Ohio, Aug. 12-14, 1997; doi:2060/19990023204, Document ID: 19990023204, Report Number: E-11429; NAS 1.55:208694; NASA/CP-1999-208694, https://webcitation.org/5zPq69I0O . Full proceedings volume: https://webcitation.org/69zAxm0sT .

* Frank J. Tipler, "There Are No Limits To The Open Society", Critical Rationalist, Vol. 3, No. 2 (Sept. 23, 1998), https://webcitation.org/5sFYkHgSS .

* Frank J. Tipler, Jessica Graber, Matthew McGinley, Joshua Nichols-Barrer and Christopher Staecker, "Closed Universes With Black Holes But No Event Horizons As a Solution to the Black Hole Information Problem", arXiv:gr-qc/0003082, Mar. 20, 2000, http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0003082 . Published in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Vol. 379, No. 2 (Aug. 2007), pp. 629-640, doi:10.1111/j.1365-2966.2007.11895.x, bibcode: 2007MNRAS.379..629T, https://webcitation.org/5vQ3M8uxB .

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Ultimate Future of the Universe, Black Hole Event Horizon Topologies, Holography, and the Value of the Cosmological Constant", arXiv:astro-ph/0104011, Apr. 1, 2001, http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0104011 . Published in J. Craig Wheeler and Hugo Martel (Eds.), Relativistic Astrophysics: 20th Texas Symposium, Austin, Texas, 10-15 December 2000 (Melville, NY: American Institute of Physics, 2001), pp. 769-772, ISBN 0735400261, LCCN 2001094694, which is AIP Conference Proceedings, Vol. 586 (Oct. 15, 2001), doi:10.1063/1.1419654, bibcode: 2001AIPC..586.....W.

* Frank J. Tipler, "Intelligent life in cosmology", International Journal of Astrobiology, Vol. 2, No. 2 (Apr. 2003), pp. 141-148, doi:10.1017/S1473550403001526, bibcode: 2003IJAsB...2..141T, https://webcitation.org/5o9QHKGuW . Also at arXiv:0704.0058, Mar. 31, 2007, http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.0058 .

* F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers", Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (Apr. 2005), pp. 897-964, doi:10.1088/0034-4885/68/4/R04, bibcode: 2005RPPh...68..897T, http://dauns01.math.tulane.edu/~tipl...everything.pdf . Also released as "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything", arXiv:0704.3276, Apr. 24, 2007, http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.3276 .

* Frank J. Tipler, "Inevitable Existence and Inevitable Goodness of the Singularity", Journal of Consciousness Studies, Vol. 19, Nos. 1-2 (2012), pp. 183-193, https://webcitation.org/69JEi5wHp .

Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, in which the above August 2007 paper was published, is one of the world's leading peer-reviewed astrophysics journals.

Prof. Tipler's paper "Ultrarelativistic Rockets and the Ultimate Future of the Universe" was an invited paper for a conference held at and sponsored by NASA Lewis Research Center, so NASA itself has peer-reviewed Tipler's Omega Point Theorem (peer-review is a standard process for published proceedings papers; and again, Tipler's said paper was an *invited* paper by NASA, as opposed to what are called "poster papers").

Zygon is the world's leading peer-reviewed academic journal on science and religion.

Out of 50 articles, Prof. Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper--which presents the Omega Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE)--was selected as one of 12 for the "Highlights of 2005" accolade as "the very best articles published in Reports on Progress in Physics in 2005 [Vol. 68]. Articles were selected by the Editorial Board for their outstanding reviews of the field. They all received the highest praise from our international referees and a high number of downloads from the journal Website." (See Richard Palmer [Publisher], "Highlights of 2005", Reports on Progress in Physics website, ca. 2006, https://webcitation.org/5o9VkK3eE , https://archive.is/pKD3y .)

Reports on Progress in Physics is the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional body for physicists. Further, Reports on Progress in Physics has a higher impact factor (according to Journal Citation Reports) than Physical Review Letters, which is the most prestigious American physics journal (one, incidently, which Prof. Tipler has been published in more than once). A journal's impact factor reflects the importance the science community places in that journal in the sense of actually citing its papers in their own papers.

For much more on these matters, see my above-cited "Physics of God" article in addition to the following resource:

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", Apr. 18, 2019, https://pastebin.com/6bZDc7rB , https://archive.is/uHEyL , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0423-0435-...n.com/6bZDc7rB .

The only way to avoid the Omega Point cosmology is to reject the aforestated known laws of physics, and hence to reject empirical science: as these physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment to date. That is, there exists no rational reason for thinking that the Omega Point cosmology is incorrect, and indeed, one must engage in extreme irrationality in order to argue against the Omega Point cosmology. As Prof. Stephen Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem." (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)

Additionally, we now have the quantum gravity Theory of Everything (TOE) required by the known laws of physics and that correctly describes and unifies all the forces in physics: of which inherently produces the Omega Point cosmology. So here we have an additional high degree of assurance that the Omega Point cosmology is correct.

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1. While there is a lot that gets published in physics journals that is anti-reality and nonphysical (such as String Theory, which violates the known laws of physics and has no experimental support whatsoever), the reason such things are allowed to pass the peer-review process is because the paradigm of assumptions which such papers are speaking to has been made known, and within their operating paradigm none of the referees could find anything crucially wrong with said papers. That is, the paradigm itself may have nothing to do with reality, but the peer-reviewers could find nothing fundamentally wrong with such papers within the operating assumptions of that paradigm. Whereas, e.g., the operating paradigm of Prof. Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper and his other papers on the Omega Point Theorem is the known laws of physics, i.e., our actual physical reality which has been repeatedly confirmed by every experiment conducted to date. So the professional physicists charged with refereeing these papers could find nothing fundamentally wrong with them within their operating paradigm, i.e., the known laws of physics.

I only opened the first link in you chain of Prof. Frank J. Tipler's and those link do not contain any peer reviews, only the documents, again you fail to produce evidence of support for your premise. This is the same logical fallacy.

From a quick review of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Tipler

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Tipler's Omega Point ideas have received vigorous criticism by physicists and skeptics.[12][13][14] Some critics say its arguments violate the Copernican principle, that it incorrectly applies the laws of probability, and that it is really a theology or metaphysics principle made to sound plausible to laypeople by using the esoteric language of physics.

Seems to undermine your the credibility of Mr. Tipler with his peers I would say this is a big failure.

One question though have you ever written a paper for either Masters or PHD level thesis? I doubt that you have because you can't list as support for a thesis papers you are presenting as evidence of the thesis. Why don't you go into reading tea leaves, that would be as acute and provable as you contention.

[Whip]

Originally Posted by Allen773

What is this thread?

spam promotion.

[bknight]

Originally Posted by Whip

spam promotion.

With all those links.

[dropzone]

Originally Posted by Allen773

What is this thread?

I dunno. Too stupid; didn't read.

[beachnut]

TSDR

[James Redford]

Hi, guys! It's really wonderful to see how much you all are enjoying my postings to your government-worshiping forum. Nothing quite like the taste of jackboot leather, now is there?

It's the flavor-sensation that's sweeping the nation!

As Prof. Noam Chomsky correctly observed, the so-called New Atheists are themselves quite religious. They worship a God, but their God is the state. (Note that Chomsky himself is guilty of state-worship in a number of areas, but nevertheless, despite his many faults, he does sometimes make penetrating observations.) Their objections to others' religions, especially Christianity, is simply nothing more than attempting to eliminate their competition. However, as Chomsky also astutely noted, the New Atheists' religion is by far the most bloody and murderous religion to ever exist. Eliminating God in the 20th century didn't make the governments more liberal; instead, it simply removed any higher notion of truth to which those governments were expected to abide. The state made itself God.

The anti-Christ religion of government is the irrational religion of lies, gang-rape, mutilating torture and mass-murder. Whereas Christianity is the rational religion of truth, peace, eternal life and divergence to infinite pleasure and intelligence.

The foregoing process which I describe is actually logically unavoidable. If God in the literal sense of the infinite sapient being does not exist, then all is permissible. Even if one can prove that, say, libertarianism is apodictically true in the same degree that 2+2 = 4 is true, so what? In the end, we're all dead anyway. The only thing that could give life any meaning beyond mere delusion is if God exists, since then an infinite computational state would exist, thereby allowing finite minds to endlessly grow in complexity toward infinite perfection (per the Quantum Recurrence Theorem). Only then would one's life-work avoid coming to naught. Only then would what one does now actually matter in the end.

As it turns out, the universe is a machine that will diverge to infinite computing power. For the details on that, see my works that I cited in my above posts.

The naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of old--i.e., the demons--seek to distance people from genuine knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests as various forms of etatism: the state becomes God. Demons are quite real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on this, see my following article:

* James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Free State Project Forum, May 31, 2018, https://web.archive.org/web/20190419...?topic=28925.0 , https://archive.is/Flah8 , https://megalodon.jp/2019-0420-0219-...?topic=28925.0 .