/loli/ - Lolis★

I hope it's nothing too serious

I been waiting patiently, sadly haven't found a way to verify the status of the site either so I've been just sitting here… waiting… and totally not panicking at all.

Damn, it's very good place to visit. I downloaded mako park english there.

Gee…I was going to redownload the Fallout NV mods from there. Anyone have a link to Camera Club?

They are working to get it back online

no data lost

Hey, there. I'm here from ATF.

Basically what happened is a bunch of people mass reported the site and got the host to drop it. A recent change in Dutch laws makes Loli illegal there now, so all sites hosted in the Netherlands are under threat.

However no data was lost and the Admins are hard at work to restore everything as quickly as possible. Host suggestions are appreciated.

Currently we're holding out on Discord.

Good to know they didn't lose anything, hopefully you're back up and running soon.

>>92472

>Currently we're holding out on Discord.

Is there a discord link?

>>92476

I don't believe we're allowed to share the Discord link yet.

>>92471

fucking normalfags ruining everything, again

>>92479

They probably think this is some major win as well. Want to see their reaction when we're just back in a few days.

>>92459 (OP)

Is ATF the only remaining lolicon community/forum in the English speaking world?

>>92482

Pretty sure /loli/ counts

>>92482

Nah, there are quite a few. There's /loli/ right here and we also have Lolicit and Lolibooru. Plus plenty of more general communities that also allow Loli.

>>92471

> weed and general degeneracy: legal

> drawn pixels on a computer screen: illegal

>>92482

4chan is still online, even if your 8ch reality distortion field says it isn't.

>>92488

>calling 4chan a loli website

What are you from 2003?

>>92483

It doesn't. This image board isn't a community or forum. Using a name to post leads to being called namefagging.

>>92488

4chan doesn't allow loli content. Posting or requesting such leads to a permaban.

In pomf.tv they said that ATF and affiliated will be back soon.

>>92492

>This image board isn't a community

Why?

>>92496

Every time I visit /b/ to see their loli threads, it's just filled with spiderman and gore and other shit instead.

It used to be semi-allowed on /a/, but I haven't been there in years so I don't know if they're able to get away with it anymore.

Maybe now this board will have more activity?

Probably not.

>>92496

/b/ barely counts. There's like one Loli thread there per day if you're lucky and half of it will be filled with arguments and unrelated garbage.

Plus it will disappear in a matter of hours. The boards that could actually make use of Loli on 4chan aren't allowed to post it.

>>92496

First of all, thank you for provided resources and references. Even if they aren't all relevant, I do love it when people share lists like this.

Secondly, about Senkaku Complex. Isn't that just a news website? I was fairly certain the proprietors of SC are anti-loli. Their coverage of the situation with Steam banning The Key to Home (which isn't even a porn visual novel) was not favorable. The content and porn coverage I do find insinuates that they only like adult females with large breasts (I've never seen content on their news stream featuring a flat chested adult female or anything remotely close to it).

>>92517

They have a booru here:

https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/

They allow you to view loli content without registering but you can't browse more than 25 pages per search without creating an account, also the site is little bit slow sometimes at least in my country.

>>92505

Different time zones, perhaps? I remember many threads being spammed down with shit. Of course, there were many good threads as well. I actually liked the conversations that could take place, unless it was cringy roleplaying stuff.

>>92517

The "news" part of SC is so hilariously biased. But I have yet to see any loli hating newsposts.

>>92517

The users at least are very pro-loli. You can even find news articles where the comments advocate relationships with real children. Although that was some time ago at this point.

>>92529

>You can even find news articles where the comments advocate relationships with real children.

That is not the same as pro-loli. Don't conflate real pedoshit with loli, nigger.

>>92533

You clearly have a problem with reading comprehension if that's what you took from my post.

>>92529

>You can even find news articles where the comments advocate relationships with real children

Pro-contact =/= pro-loli

is personal data compromised?

>>92541

Is there even a single pro-contacter who isn't also pro-loli? I mentioned that because it shows that the userbase of SC sometimes goes even further than that. Or at least it used to back then, I don't want to slander anyone.

>>92547

No, the site is down and that's it.

>>92519

That logo is gonna trigger pizzagatefags

>>92478

not sure why you want to chat on discord. discord is totally honeypot, unless you have someone spam shitty furry porn, you should really be careful.

>>92557

Oh, believe me, we are. Any media is banned there. Completely.

So is discussing controversial topics. We're keeping really, really low until the site opens up again.

I live in the Netherlands, should I start using VPN in the future when visiting or even doing anything loli related for a while or do you guys think they only showed activity because of the reports?

>>92533

loli IS pedoshit. You are just trying to pretend you arent a pedo when you clearly are

>>92471

plz post official facts with source about this recent law change.

>>92471

>However no data was lost and the Admins are hard at work to restore everything as quickly as possible.

I will suck you dick for a loli.

>>92482

LAH is still there I think.

>>92605

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/kinderporno/kinderporno-is-strafbaar

>>92606

I don't really know how to respond to this.

>>92601

This is very true. Way more Lolicons are pedos than like to admit. And even if it's not all of them, they should still recognise that the two groups have to stay together and support each other.

Not from the netherlands, so I don't know about possible previous court cases and such, but I do speak the language.

Having looked though the actual online version of the lawbook it seems to me that 2D anime style loli is still fine in the Netherlands, but realistic 3D cg isn't.

Article 240b is the one about illegality of depictions featuring minors:

https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0001854/2019-04-01#BoekTweede_TiteldeelXIV_Artikel240b

Basically, depictions of minors that are sexual is illegal, nothing unusual there.

The relevant parts are here where they clarify definitions and guidelines what constitutes as CP, with the most recent changes from 2016:

https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0038528/2016-10-01

Quote:

"Voorts is sprake van vervaardigen van kinderporno als een verdachte foto’s van kinderhoofdjes op pornografische foto’s van volwassenen plakt, realistische tekeningen of computeranimaties maakt, maar ook als (heimelijk) beeldmateriaal gemaakt wordt van (naakt) spelende kinderen, met een kenbaar seksuele strekking."

Translation:

Also constitutes as CP if a suspect makes pictures using children's heads and pastes them on pornographic depictions of adults, realistic drawings or computeranimations, or making (secretive) material from (naked) playing children with a clear sexual purpose.

So, realistic drawings and CG are illegal. Those who stick to anime style stuff should be fine.

>>92614

There is a lot of conflicting information surrounding these laws even on official sources. Like you stated, realistic CG and stuff like Deepfakes are always considered CP but on some official sites (like that one >>92610 or this one politie.nl/themas/kinderporno.html#alinea-title-wat-is-kinderporno) the definition is even more blurred. That last one explicitly states in the second to last sentence: "Denk dan aan bijvoorbeeld tekeningen of samengevoegde foto’s." or "Think of drawings or composited pictures as an example."

This is just the watered down description of a law that some police intern put up so the "drawing" part is, at best, an error or , at worst, an example of how its vague description can be exploited and enforced.

It should also be noted that due to the wording in artikel 240b ("kennelijk de leeftijd van achttien jaar nog niet heeft bereikt"/"knowingly has not reached the age of 18 years old"), the disclaimer "All characters are 18 years old" is a valid defense.

Personally, I think that ATF being dropped was just their host getting spooked by false reports and it didn't have much to do with specific new Dutch rulings or laws.

>>92615

>in the EU I know that no court will prosecute (nor police actively investigate) someone linked to d/l of anime loli

This is also important. I've looked up as much as I could about relevant court cases in the Netherlands and there's basically nothing. Even more Draconian countries like Sweden where drawings are considered CP, a defendant managed to appeal his sentence all the way to the supreme court where he was found not guilty because the incriminating images could not be mistaken for real children.

>>92610

>Way more Lolicons are pedos than like to admit.

There's no fucking statistics to prove this, and what few numbers there are out there speak to a lack of any correlation between the two. Of those who are convicted of CP or kiddie fiddling, and thus confirmed pedos, only an extreme minority ever have lolicon in addition to 3DPD and usually very little of it. Thus pedos are highly unlikely to be into lolicons and vice versa for lolicons being interested in 3DPD. Now one could make the argument that lolicon serves as an outlet for pedophilic urges and thus lolicons are just pedos who are less likely to make the effort to find real CP or molest a child so as to explain that lack of correlation between to the two while still calling them all equally pedophiles. But that's also merely conjecture and so is a weaker argument than the actual fact that pedos are almost never interested in lolicon.

>they should still recognise that the two groups have to stay together and support each other.

FUCK no. Lolicons should absolutely not support kiddie fiddlers. If you're actually from ATF, I am dearly worried about the state of the site's administration and whether this will lead to it being permanently shut down in the future because of actual CP being shared amongst it's operators.

>I don't really know how to respond to this.

It's a joke, you faggot.

>>92619

You seem to be assuming that "supporting pedophiles" implies supporting child abuse.

I'd consider myself a pedo even though I only ever look at 2D lolicon art and certainly would never dream of hurting real children.

If you want to prevent child abuse, the best approach is to convince pedos to stick to 2D. You won't do that if every 2D community is openly hostile to mere wrongthink.

You should of course take a very hard stance against any kind of real 3DPD porn, but that is a separate issue.

There are probably a lot of lolicons who aren't pedos because lolis are often drawn with many post-pubescent features.

Anyone who's into very young-looking lolis is probably a pedo though.

>>92619

>Of those who are convicted of CP or kiddie fiddling, and thus confirmed pedos

I wouldn't have expected this old lie to also crop up in a forum dedicated to Lolicon of all places. It has been proven that the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.

>pedos are highly unlikely to be into lolicons

Funny you say that. I distinctly remember a poll on ATF that a lot of people contributed to asking how many of the members were also pedophiles, with results stating that almost exactly half of the people who took it where pedophiles.

>Lolicons should absolutely not support kiddie fiddlers.

Are you actually this slow? I never remotely said that. You can support pedophiles without supporting child molestation and that's what ATF did. Nobody there supported CP either.

>If you're actually from ATF, I am dearly worried about the state of the site's administration

I am not an admin or moderator if that's what you think. Just a regular user. I doubt the Administration's opinion is that much different though.

>It's a joke, you faggot.

Wow, really?! Never would have guessed that.

I should mention, I find it pretty funny that you as a member of a surpressed group like Lolicons have no problem shitting on an even more supressed group.

You may be thinking that appealing to society by cutting out the evil pedophiles will help you, but trust me it won't and you'll just weaken all of us as a result.

>>92601

I find most 3D children to be ugly actually

>>92625

The grapes of disappointment are always sour

>>92625

3D Are ugly indeed, you can't get the same purity or good looks as 2D just like with adults or teen, its just not the same and shouldn't be lumped together.

>>92623

>It has been proven that the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.

According to what? Some medical definition that says they have to be exclusively attracted to children to qualify as a pedophile? Despite that fact that sexual attraction to prebuscents at all is still far outside the norm? It's known that kiddie fiddlers and sexual assault criminals in general tend to get off more on the control they're exerting over another living person than the sexual contact with their preferred person itself. But that doesn't remove preference from the equation and preferring children is still pedophilia in the general use of the term.

>I distinctly remember a poll on ATF that a lot of people contributed to asking how many of the members were also pedophiles, with results stating that almost exactly half of the people who took it where pedophiles.

Firstly, that's only half of the people that responded. Of course if you make a poll about pedophilia it's going to catch the actual pedo's attention more. I've also personally noticed that any sort of account based site that is about loli or social media group about loli tends to have a lot more outspoken actual pedophiles. Pedos congregate wherever there's push for loli in order to conflate and push it together with actual attraction to children since they know people are more accepting of loli.

>>Lolicons should absolutely not support kiddie fiddlers.

>Are you actually this slow? I never remotely said that.

<the two groups (lolicons and pedophiles) have to stay together and support each other.

That statement has a very strong implication. It may not be actual kiddie fiddlers, but the NOMAPs, that you meant to refer to, but you did not specify NOMAPs and the statement was pedophiles in general. Even if it's just NOMAPs you were referring to, the idea that these groups mutually need eachother's support is outright bullshit. As I said above, people in general are more accepting of lolicon and pedos use that as a passageway through which to push for pedophilia acceptance, be it in the form of only for NOMAPs or for actual kiddie diddling. Pedos take advantage of lolicon communities to push for their own acceptance, sometimes to point of taking over the smaller ones on social media since most lolicons aren't retarded enough to be part of lolicon social media groups. But they're still in the minority overall. It is not an equal give and take relationship. A minority of pedos are gaining the massive support of lolicons in these scenarios, not both groups of equal standing mutually needing support and getting it from eachother. Lolicons do not need the support of pedophiles as a group and what support they do get is a drop in the ocean.

>but trust me it won't and you'll just weaken all of us as a result.

Lolicons have everything to gain from dissociating themselves from actual pedophilia and have been doing so for a long time. That's the only reason people even think of the term "lolicon" in the west as only referring to fiction. Lolicon is continually making progress as an acceptable and harmless thing through the proliferation of anime. I think this "us" is you projecting.

>The body was too long

>>92621

>You seem to be assuming that "supporting pedophiles" implies supporting child abuse.

If in general rather than NOMAPs specifically then yes. And even then, there are plenty of NOMAPs that have expressed they only don't molest children because it's illegal and push for it's legalization.

>I'd consider myself a pedo even though I only ever look at 2D lolicon art

That's only what you look at, but is it only what you are attracted to? It's completely possible to like one and not the other, especially if you prefer less realistic drawings. Jacking off to on-model Lisa Simpson porn does not a pedo make. I am not attracted to real children in the slightest and it is even a turnoff. When I have sexual dreams

involving girls of a certain stature, it is literally in an anime aesthetic. That is, even when my inhibitions are completely release in the realm of dream, I still have no attraction to real children. I believe the same is certainly possible for others.

>If you want to prevent child abuse, the best approach is to convince pedos to stick to 2D

While I believe in the possiblity that lolicon can be used as an outlet for such urges it is my experience that actual pedos aren't much interested in cartoons, but real children. This is likely because, as mentioned in my reply to the ATF anon, they tend to get off on the control they exert over the child or the abuse of an actual innocent child itself.

>There are probably a lot of lolicons who aren't pedos because lolis are often drawn with many post-pubescent features.

Even when they aren't drawn with too many post-pubescent features, I'd argue the attraction isn't exactly the same as pedophilia as I said above. I tend to prefer my lolis as small as possible without getting into toddlercon territory.

>>92633

The western use of the term has taken on its own meaning.

>>92638

>but is it only what you are attracted to?

I'm definitely attracted to real kids.

>it is my experience that actual pedos aren't much interested in cartoons, but real children

How many "actual pedos" have you got to know? Have they even tried fapping to anime girls?

>This is likely because they tend to get off on the control they exert over the child or the abuse of an actual innocent child itself.

I'm really into BDSM play myself. There's nothing better than a cute helpless loli being restrained, punished, and humiliated. That's actually part of the reason I'm so strongly anti-contact. Only an adult mind could enjoy that kind of play.

>>92637

>>92638

Holy shit, you really hit all the generic anti‐pedo talking points. Like a caricature.

>According to what?

Several studies and analysies that have been conducted on this topic.

>Pedos congregate wherever there's push for loli in order to conflate and push it together with actual attraction to children since they know people are more accepting of loli.

Or maybe they just like Lolicon. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy to you?

>It may not be actual kiddie fiddlers, but the NOMAPs, that you meant to refer to, but you did not specify NOMAPs and the statement was pedophiles in general.

Using the term NOMAP in this context is unecessary. It can help bring this topic to other people's attention, but it is almost harmful sometimes, because it implies that this isn't the default for pedophiles, which it definitely is.

Most pedohiles are NOMAPs, even if they may not use the term.

>As I said above, people in general are more accepting of lolicon and pedos use that as a passageway through which to push for pedophilia acceptance

That is not necessarily a bad thing. You can't blame people for finding venues to express themselves and a community that is also oppressed like Lolicons will naturally be more willing to help.

>Lolicons have everything to gain from dissociating themselves from actual pedophilia and have been doing so for a long time.

All they have to gain is losing members of the community for arbitrary reasons and falling into the same pitfalls that society at large does while claiming to be on a higher level.

>Lolicon is continually making progress as an acceptable and harmless thing through the proliferation of anime.

Yeah, because being pushed into tinier and tinier corners of the Internet as more and more countries outlaw it and more and more websites ban it "totally" constitutes progress.

>And even then, there are plenty of NOMAPs that have expressed they only don't molest children because it's illegal and push for it's legalization.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The only group pushing for the legalisation of molesting children are pro‐contacters and nobody like those.

>This is likely because, as mentioned in my reply to the ATF anon, they tend to get off on the control they exert over the child or the abuse of an actual innocent child itself.

All of this is just false. Pedophiles' attraction to children is no different than normal people's attraction to adults. You're experience is wrong.

>>92643

I was enjoying the other anon roasting you and now I believe you just committed seppuku.

To each their own I guess I just ask you to not put a large part of the community in the same pot as you, not saying it bad but rather I wouldn't like this to be a representation of what the rest of us think.

>>92471

there is plenty of prior 3d loli art, and banning it isn't going to make it go away, which means this law was changed to punish their citizens, not to stop it. And when you go out of your way to punish people, you are trying to censor their freedom of expression. So congrats Dutch people, you have been officially screwed over.

Places like ATF have existed peacefully for years without interference, so I see this nothing more than a Dutch power trip that adds nothing to the table except to take it away.

>>92649

I'd say that 100% of lolicons are pedos and those who claim they aren't are just in denial. The only argument I've heard that makes any sense is that 2d lolis don't look like real kids, but consider how they are drawn: flat chests, hairless pussies, small stature, childish personalities. They are clearly intended to depict children, so even if we say they don't subjectively look quite like a kid, they certainly check enough boxes for your brain to think it's looking at kids. This is compounded by how loli doujins are written to mirror rl adult-child sexual relationships; secrecy, for example, is a major element of the plot in most loli doujins.

>>92657

So what does it mean if I don't like the majority of loli content, don't like most heavily NSFW content, and only really like very specific characters?

>>92657

I agree. There's a reason that every good art tutorial tells you to learn to imitate real human anatomy.

The main difference is usually that the faces of lolis are more neotenic than those of real kids of the same age.

>>92658

>don't like most heavily NSFW content

They you're not a lolicon (lolita complex) as you don't have the sexual complex about lolitas.

>>92657

Realism is fairly uncommon. More often than not the story takes a very comedic tone and/or has a very intelligent loli and/or the loli has unrealistic bodily proportions for a person of their stature.

>>92659

>There's a reason that every good art tutorial tells you to learn to imitate real human anatomy.

Because it give you a sense of proportion and weight? Even drawing completely inhuman animated cartoons benefits greatly from starting out with life drawing.

>>92666

>Because it give you a sense of proportion and weight?

No. There's a reason loli artists study human anatomy rather than any other species.

The claim that lolis aren't meant to look human is utterly ridiculous. In fact, I saw this very board criticizing western art for looking too unrealistic and non-human.

If you want a better argument, you should focus on their minds. Most lolis are portrayed as much more emotionally intelligent and capable of consent than real kids. Just say you aren't attracted to real kids because of their awful personalities or something. It's probably even true in a lot of cases.

>>92674

This should logically infer that drawn adults are comparable to real adults yet there are people who clearly prefer 2D in that department. I think you're reaching.

>>92676

Of course, but only because of personality.

Do you honestly think the disdain for 3DPD is to do with appearance?

>>92677

In my case it is but I can only speak for myself. 2D personalities usually really are 2D and I could give a shit about 3D personality.

>>92677

To a strong degree it is for some. Else I wouldn't have abondoned 3D porn entirely in my teens and still enjoy lesbians and solo female masturbation videos. Honestly, I think humans in general tend to disgust me. I dislike pores and body hair. Final Fantasy VII Remake is going in the direction of realism and you can see the pores on the character's faces. Cloud looks sickly. Don't like it at all.

>>92505

a removed DNS entry is a step backward, not a step forward

>>92657

I'll throw my hat in the ring. If you lurk places like this and ATF regularly and you fap damn near exclusively or primarily to loli, you're probably a pedo. I think its more debatable if you fap to a lot of different hentai or loli is more of an occasional thing, but I consider myself "secondary" and I'm not delusional enough to not see it for what it is. Even trapfags don't make as many mental gymnastics.

You guys can keeping wasting valuable time (you do realize you're mortal, right? Like you have a very finite lifespan) attacking straw men and accusing lolicons of mental gymnastics. You do realize that all of society is based upon mental gymnastics and all of society is hypocritical, right? This isn't some unique thing to pedosexuals (who have ever justification for trying to conceal and hide and deceive).

As for me, I have never lied about being a pedosexual. I have said I'm a pedosexual and lolicon, as if they are two distinct things. If you consider them to be exactly the same thing, that's okay with me.

If all you want to do is judge and stand "holier than thou", try and realize how cringey that is.

>>92698

>You guys can keeping wasting valuable time (you do realize you're mortal, right? Like you have a very finite lifespan)

Neither my time nor my life is valuable

>who have ever justification for trying to conceal and hide and deceive

I agree, and while they don't have a justification for trying to hide it from themselves it's understandable, but none of that changes the fact that denialfags are annoying insecure dipshits that get their knickers in a twist anytime someone reminds them of the inconvenient truth that lolicon is pedophilia.

>try and realize how cringey that is

at least it isn't as cringy as unironically calling yourself a "pedosexual"

>>92711

Mind numbingly stupid post. Not even with the merit of being unintentionally funny. You have problems with nomenclature. Wow!

Pedophilia - Greek word which means "the love of children"

Pedosexual - A modern conventional term used by the American Psychological Association to refer to a pedophilic orientation. It means "one who loves children".

You're the type to complain about the use of UAP (Unidentied Aerial Phenomenon) vs. UFO (Unidentified Flying Object).

Pedosexual is more accurate and UAP is more accurate. Yet either is acceptable nomenclature.

>>92731

It's still in the works. There is currently a prospective host, but they still need to set up servers. May still take a few days.

>>92737

You didn't commit a crime. Dutch laws aren't applicable in other countries.

>>92695

I only hang around because I like very specific characters. Nowhere near exclusive and most content does nothing for me.

So the temp site has gone back down and it looks like pomf.tv is also out of commission. Does anyone know if ATF is just currently restoring functionality or if they've hit another setback?

>>92758

The new host for Pomf and the temporary site has also taken it down. Just a minor setback though.

Gelbooru is getting fucky too, now you have to enable loli tag in options

I'm really upset

The pisscord was such a shitshow I had to leave. The atf rocketchat server was great, but for some reason the users that went to discord were beyond redemption of retardation. Once they get back up maybe they should consider switching to a even more obscure chat platform to avoid those type of "people".

>>92782

sorry meant on any other board other than /b/

>>92638

Many actual pedos have probably never even heard of lolicon, barely anyone watches anime in the West and those who do tend to be younger.

>I tend to prefer my lolis as small as possible without getting into toddlercon territory.

Every pedo has their own age range. It doesn't mean they're attracted to anything under 13.

This doesn't mean I think every lolicon is a pedophile.

> I believe the same is certainly possible for others.

A couple of pedos report being less attracted to the real thing and more to lolis after spending many, many, many years looking at them.

This is a very weird one and there's not much data on it.

A reminder that the majority of figureheads who spoke out against lolicon were convicted of possession child porn, including UN officials.

Those who lump loli and CP together are most likely hardcore pedos themselves.

Is temporary site kill? Won't load for me

>>92798

Virtue signaling libtards, what else is new? Lets save the lolicon/pedo debate for other threads, and keep this thread clean for pressing F for all the fallen, and talking about retard laws preventing us from enjoying stuff.

>>92695

>I think its more debatable if you fap to a lot of different hentai or loli is more of an occasional thing

Would you apply the same logic to 3DPD?

>>92698

>As for me, I have never lied about being a pedosexual. I have said I'm a pedosexual

You're attracted to pedophiles?

>You guys can keeping wasting valuable time (you do realize you're mortal, right? Like you have a very finite lifespan)

If I valued my time, I wouldn't spend it here.

>>92722

Wew laddy.

>>92734

>If you fap exclusively to 2d anime lolis and feel nothing for 3d girls, it's still pedophilic at base

What if it's simply an obssession with smaller and smaller things taking big dick to the point of stomach distension? Like taking the "hotdog in a hallway" logic of disliking small dicked /ss/ scenarios to it's extreme. I like to see that dick bulge in the stomach of the girl. It's not very common for adult hentai women, but it's fairly common among lolicon. It is of course most common among minigirls, which I love very much, but minigirls are rare, not often done well, and the stomach distension usually easily reaches levels of complete comedy which I am rarely in the mood to be aroused by. Lolicon is very common though and so, to satisfy that urge of the girl being "filled" to capacity, lolicon makes up about 44% of the stuff I read. This simple number of course does not account for the times when I'm simply looking for X and the work I happen to choose is lolicon that contains X as well. While on the subject, here is a very good Suika doujin that does a very rare fetish very well that fufills that urge for completely filling very much.

https://exhentai.org/g/993453/99852aad9e/

>>92804

It's still to early to press

F

>>92492

Despite that /jp/ remains a lolicon community.

>>92492

>4chan doesn't allow loli

Except on /b/.

>permaban

No it doesn't, you get 3 days. Loli and CP are separate rules on 4chan.

>>92798

Loli isn't CP by any stretch, but if you like loli you're either a pedo or poorly coping with the fact you're a pedo. Whatever you have to tell yourself though, you know how to lie to yourself better than I do and obviously have it under control.

>>92840

And the reason you're here is because, since you're so adamant on conflating Loli with CP, you're looking for actual CP.

>>92842

>so adamant on conflating loli with CP

>explicitly state loli isn't CP

The reason you're here is to make me look better by comparison.

>>92466

Hold the fuck up, Mako Park has an english TL?

>>92852

Yeah, but it looks like half assed machine translation for the most part. Lots of stuff you can't even begin to guess what they're actually saying.

>>92840

>Loli isn't CP

>But liking loli is liking CP

The last couple days, ATF has given me a "This site can't be reached" error. Are there any updates as to if it will make a comeback? Or is ATF really gone?

I'm also concerned for this /loli/. The whole first page is discussions about the distinction between lolicon and pedophile/pedosexual (whether that distinction can and should be made), the legality of lolicon and whether free speech is honored in which countries (of which there are several threads), arguments about evolutionary theory (from people pretending to be smart and pretending to know what they are talking about) and how it can be used to justify the marginalization or extinction of lolicon and the persecution thereof, arguments about morality and whether morality is objective and real (it isn't), and so on. There are multiple threads dedicated to the same topic (the legality of lolicon, the morality of lolicon, etc.) that only need one thread. Essentially /loli/ is becoming nothing but shitposting instead of a content sharing hub based upon a shared love (loli).

>>92860

i vote to host Allthefallen on the dark side of the moon and it will stay up forever. so somebody put a server up there fast before the chinese do it.

>>92840

>you know how to lie to yourself better than I do

There was an old man on 4/b/ recently with realistic child sex dolls and yet despite the combination of that and old age he still manages to be in denial. So adamant was he that he is not a pedophile he got offended when you told him he is

>>92857

Personally I would say that not only does liking loli make you a pedo, but lolicon is cp. I know that statement will make some of you emotional, but try to remember what cp stands for: child pornography, and loli is definitely a pornographic depiction of children. I've noticed some experts using the term "child sexual abuse material" to describe what we traditionally think of as cp, and I think it injects greater definition and therefore greater clarity into the discussion, so loli is cp, but loli is not csam.

>>92860

Admins are hard at work. Just be patient.

>>92869

How did you so utterly ignore the post you're responding to? Child pornography is pornography depicting children. Lolicon is unquestionably pornography and it unquestionably depicts children.

It's CP, it's just not *harmful* CP.

>>92871

No, loli isn't CP. CP by definition involves actual children, whereas loli/shota does not. You can argue that it's "virtual" CP but that still doesn't have any actual meaning.

I hope the new host isn't going to be trash in general, both in terms of not bending over so easily to antis pressure and in terms of speed and reliability.

I also hope the forum threads, layouts and posts won't be broken and scattered all over the place like the migration did back then breaking many attachments.

Though it's actually been good to have this break from ATF, managed to actually do some house work lately which is super rare for a lazy NEET lolicon such as myself.

>>92864

Well if he wasn't a master of denial he wouldn't still be using fucking halfchan in 2019. I'm almost a master of denial for using fullchan in 2019, because it's hardly even better at this point.

>>92876

They are blatantly depictions of children, which is not to say they have rights or actually exist or should be legally protected no matter the acts taking place within these fictional sexualized depictions. You're conflating the typical legal treatment of CP that is sexually depicting real children with the nature of CP itself, which makes no demand to be treated as such to be considered what it is. Pornography of children real or fictional is pornography of children, but fictional pornography of children is not illegal unless you live in a shithole. As an aside, we all sort of live in a shithole because real CP should be legal too barring rape which is its own class of problem that is similarly conflated with the mere act of sex by other woefully retarded niggers.

You have to wonder why anti-loli moralfags even post here.

>>92881

https://www.strawpoll.me/18309125/

Duty calls.

are the modders that make loli mods for sims 4 on other sites until ATF is back?

>>92882

glowtard

>>92890

>the book Lolita, in which the girl in question is a young teen.

She's 12

>>92881

Where are these 'anti-loli' types exactly? Full retard.

>>92890

>loli extends outside the pedo age and body range

No. Full stop, no. Teens aren't lolis, they're steaming turds on the sidewalk you should be forcefed until you choke to death for even daring to claim they're lolis.

>>92893

>Teens aren't lolis, they're steaming turds on the sidewalk

based

>>92895

I don't need your money, anon.

>>92896

Ah yes the typical ResetEra snarky attitude.

>>92871

Not all loli content is pornography.

>>92459 (OP)

Newfag here

What si ATF

>>92900

All The Fallen is or was a site/community centered on loli content including mods for games like skyrim and sims, plus some vn translation projects if I not mistaken. Then it got infested by the pro CP crowd to the point it got out of hand, ergo why the mass reports.

>>92459 (OP)

>>92471

Thought they got ddosed by hackers from the dark web since their link is on Topic links 2.0 afterall. Guess that wasn't the case.

Still they need to find a good host, should also request the topic links people to remove their link from that onion site since it host links to actual cp.

>>92902

Which is why they got to remove their link from Topic Links should not be hosted there.

They can maybe get away with have gravure junior idols like I've seen some forums do on the clearnet but actual cp lol no.

>>92897

The typical delusion of someone that is completely divorced from reality and drunk on autism.

>>92902

>Implying

It has nothing to do with the outspoken pro CP legalization people and everything to do with Joshua Moon's gaggle of niggerfaggots over at kiwifarms having found ATF and having been thoroughly triggered like the cucks they are, causing them to be EBIN MSTR TROLS and report the site for lack of any other 1337 ideas due to their eternal newfaggotry and general purpose inadequacy, surpassed only by Null himself in being fuckups. The site'll be back before their balls drop and they'll find themselves at square one again.

>>92910

>The typical delusion of someone that is completely divorced from reality and drunk on autism.

True I forgot one category , Allah - goatfuckers.

Getting awfully hysterical there mister pro CP.

>>92902

You clearly just want to slander the site. Most people on ATF are anti-CP.

The reports were unfounded bullshit, there was no real life CP anywhere on there.

>>92912

Never said it hosted actual CP, the problem are the people advocating for the muh LOLI is pedo welcome to the darkside, that made even old members of ATF cringe.

>>92911

Yeah I'm actually an Imam. I'm not really hysterical I just think the kiwis are ultra gay.

>>92912

There are plenty of pro-CP people on ATF, and there's nothing wrong with that nor is that why it's down.

>>92917

Some of us aren't deranged enough to promote abuse. Hope you get party vand.

>>92918

Hope in one hand and shit in the other, it's not illegal to believe CP should be legal. I don't look at it because it's impractical when loli gets me off anyway and is legal, but it should definitely not be illegal to possess or distribute any configuration of pixels regardless of what they depict. Rape and abuse should be illegal, but images and etc. of those crimes should not be. In much the same way as murder is illegal but images and etc. of murder are not illegal. Furthermore, the vast majority of CP is not abusive in nature, and were all CP legal I would never go near any CP that is abusive because abuse is bad and not sexy at all to me. I hope you lurk moar and stop being so utterly bluepilled and stupid.

y'all gay niggers are busy having ethics debates over here, and I just want to know when the site is coming back.

>>92920

When it does.

>>92893

You want to associate lolis with something disgusting that is and should be illegal. Of course you're anti-loli.

>>92928

There's nothing disgusting about it and it should be legal. You're pro-retardation.

>>92930

This is an incredible amount of cope for someone who is completely unable to cope.

>>92925

>At the end of the day, both 2D lolicons and pedos share the common interest in lolis

Sorry no, if someone tells me they only enjoy 2D CP anime on a PC screen that's fine because it's not real children, no real victims.

Someone tells me they look at real CP and gaze at little girls in public I'm going to report them, if they say they've been sexually hands-on with a real child I'm going to probably go to jail myself for murder but I will be celebrated as a hero among inmates unlike convicted sexual predators especially kiddy touchers that thankfully have a high chance of dying in jail. There's no justification for sexually abusing children.

>>92880

I'm okay with legalising CP, but only to get rid of the retarded cases where someone gets arrested for having a naked picture of themselves from when they were a child.

Sexting is also fine by my book. We shouldn't be putting teenagers on the sex offenders register for that.

See this for how messed up the register is:

https://thecrimereport.org/2019/02/19/miami-dade-sex-offenders-forced-to-be-homeless/

https://www.care2.com/causes/10-year-old-boy-required-to-register-as-a-sex-offender.html

If someone is coercing kids or otherwise trying to manipulate them (you know what I mean), then that is an obvious no-go. I don't really want this content being spewed out across the web either.

There is a new term for that too. CSEM. Child Sexual Exploitation Material, but I don't think it'll catch on for a long time. Child abuse imagery is another.

>>92505

abe lincoln once said, "There's nothing wrong with loli porn. As long as the misses doesn't catch you fappin' to it, then, by golly, it's all right by me."

>>92933

The ones who actually abuse them are really rare. They seem to consist of a weird mix of psychopaths (how I hate them), people with mental disorders who really need therapy more than anything and twisted people who honestly believe their actions are positive.

I believe that most of these are preventable long before they do something to someone and can be rehabilitated into normal members of society. I don't know about the psychopaths, those types creep me the hell out.

There's a term for them too. Child molesters (as opposed to pedophilia which is simply an attraction to children). Reactions to them from pedophiles seem to vary from pity to outright disgust.

As for people who look at CP, I think it is because they literally feel nothing or even disgust when looking at normal porn and it sort of messes with them if they don't do it.

I find that people freak out a lot more than they really should about it, but I don't really want people looking at it either, especially some of the really twisted shit some people get into. Thank goodness for alternatives.

>>92936

Based on what they said, it should be going back up any day now, but who knows, any number of problems could come up.

>>92459 (OP)

lolis are cartoons.

lolis are not real.

lolis are legal.

anyone who doesn't understand that must either be dutch or a troll hard at work.

long live ATF!

>>92943

Or canadian, or british, or australian, you feeling the need to use tor to post here doesn't really help your case either.

>>92937

You realise laws can have nuance, right? We don't have to decide between legalising all CP and locking people who really did Nothing wrong up. There's a middle ground there.

Anyways, child pornography should be illegal, because consuming it creates the demand for more, which incentives the producers to Keep abusing children.

>>92945

If you're pirating games and movies are you creating demand for more of them?

So you idiots create countless threads debating the definition of pedophilia, debating the legality and morality of lolicon, preaching Darwinism, shitposting incessantly. Can you folks literally do anything else? Can you post content, can you shut the fuck up? Are you capable of doing anything else at all? Do you even have actual jobs?

You've got to be a dumb fuck if you think telling me how immoral lolicon is or how it should be illegal or how pedos should be executed by the State or excommunicated from society or how Darwinism fits into proving groupthink is moral or any of this is going to change my interest in loli in the slightest. You guys preach like you're going to convert me. I find that absolutely laughable. Eat your own shit and keep it to yourself. I'm not here to read your diatribes and I'm not impressed with your grand standing.

This thread was suppose to be about the status of ATF. It's become nothing but preachy shitposting.

>>92947

There is nothing to discuss. I have been supplying news everytime someone asks, but you can't really talk about anything there. And currently nothing is happening.

>>92947

Thats all this board is good for now, you're free to go to /delicious/ that actually has content creators and people sharing stuff because the BO there isn't a power tripping rulecuck that only allows what hes personally into unlike here where you can only post what the BO likes which is why nobody bothers to post anything at all anymore and just uses it as a platform for discussion.

>>92945

Nuance would be good, at-least in the court system.

Obviously terrible images should be purged from the face of the internet via AI or whatever measures we can come up with. Sadly, I don't think this would disincentive those twisted minds from abusing children, I really hope that the police can find them.

>>92947

Lolicon isn't a problem in the slightest. It's a drawing, and just because someone likes something in drawing doesn't mean they're going to go out and actually do it.

The state can take it's wrongthink bullshit and shove it up it's ass.

>>92950

>Obviously terrible images should be purged from the face of the internet via AI or whatever measures we can come up with

That sounds like an orwellian nightmare that will just as quickly be used against you as it is the people you don't like.

>>92891

>>92893

14 is loli. You can bitch until the cows come home but the Nips made the term and they count middleschoolers (aka young teens). If you can't even get the actually Japanese meaning of the term right you can't be saying what is and isn't part of it.

>>92930

>What is this from and why doesn't it have audio?

Can't recall but you can toss it in Yandex to get it.

And you're right about the book, the monologue where HH calls them "nymphets" I believe goes into it, saying it's a range around the onset and early part of puberty.

>>92955

>Nips made the term

Lmao, no.

>>92919

>the vast majority of CP is not abusive in nature

All sexual contact between an adult and child is abuse, anon.

>>92930

>He said lolicon as in lolita complex, not just loli. Try and keep up buddy. You know no one is talking about wholesome non-sexually explicit drawings of lolis.

>

People who want to cause trouble don't care about the difference. Hence boorus recently locking up all loli content no matter if it's SFW or not.

>>92930

>Then by the same logic, lolicon is just fictional child sexual abuse material which is still child sexual abuse material because it depict child sexual abuse

No anon, it's called csam because it is footage or photographs of actual child sexual abuse. The material not only depicts it, but it also features it, it is evidence of a crime. When some gook chooses to draw his anime girl short, hairless and flat, no child is being sexually abused in the process. The only way it would qualify as csam is if it was traced, or if it otherwise depicts a real event with characters representing real people. I'm fairly certain both of those are illegal.

We could say that the events of a loli doujin would be child sexual abuse if they were real, but since they are not real no abuse occurs and thus it is not child sexual abuse material. On the other hand it does indisputably depict albeit fictional children in pornographic fashion, and is therefore child pornography. This is also how the law considers it as it is referred to as "virtual child pornography".

>>92960

Who said that was a requirement of CP? Most of the shit you find online is just camgirls.

>>92960

That's laughably retarded and only the most bluepilled sex-hating soynigger could ever believe it for an instant.

>>92657

Former pedo in denial here, can confirm this is true

>>92962

>No anon, it's called csam because it is footage or photographs of actual child sexual abuse.

It's called CP because it is footage or photographs of actual child porn.

>The material not only depicts it, but it also features it, it is evidence of a crime.

You're going to have to explain the big difference here between depiction and featuring. I have read various loli hentai that feature little girls being raped.

>it is evidence of a crime.

So is CP.

>We could say that the events of a loli doujin would be child sexual abuse if they were real, but since they are not real no abuse occurs and thus it is not child sexual abuse material.

We could say that the events of a loli doujin would be child porn if they were real, but since they are not real no child is the subject of pornography and thus it is not child porn.

>On the other hand it does indisputably depict albeit fictional children in pornographic fashion, and is therefore child pornography.

On the other hand it does indisputably depict, albeit fictional, child sexual abuse, and is therefore child sexual abuse material.

Do you understand now how there is no real difference made when you use this new term?

>This is also how the law considers it as it is referred to as "virtual child pornography".

The law often brazenly uses the term "virtual" to simply mean "digital" as in "a virtual recording of actual real child porn made from actual real children" even though it can be interpreted as "simulated" and thus not real. But for the sake of argument, let's assume they mean simulated and not real. They say virtual CP because CP is the popular term and it is what is on the legal books. If CSAM were to gain in popularity and replace CP in the legal books then authorities would simply say "virtual child sexual abuse material" instead. And they'd likely also brazenly use it when meaning real abuse that has been digitized as they often do now.

>>92956

Wow. I normally use saucenao, but Yandex seems to work wonders. Show is a series of shorts on mental disorders called Comical Psychosomatic Medicine.

>>92946

Yes. A suppressed study, I think by the UN, showed that piracy acted as advertising and actually boosted sales for all categories of media except newly released blockbuster movies.

>>92947

>Can you post content?

Yes.

>You guys preach like you're going to convert me

There's far more reason to debate shit on the internet than changing the mind of the person you're debating.

>This thread was suppose to be about the status of ATF

People are waiting on developments and flinging shit in the meantime.

>>92960

He's likely talking about images taken and uploaded by children themselves and he probably thinks that's fine. The thing is, if that was legally fine, you'd have tons of pedos inducing kids to do it and having complete plausible deniability of involvement if they can coerce the kid to say the adult was not involved. It would be enabling tons of child sexual abuse. There's already a similar problem with kids in skimpy outfits and "modelling", but there's not much to be done about non-sexually explicit images unless you can find some other hard proof of abuse.

>>92981

Can you do this in some other thread?

>>92983

What?

>>92983

>posting lolis actively discouraged on the /loli/ board

oh how the mighty have fallen

>>92980

I'm talking about all CP. Even the bad shit should be legal to possess and solo or non-rape CP (actual rape, not statutory meme rape you feminist cucklets) should be legal to produce. No arrangement of fucking digital information should be illegal to possess.

>>92986

Also in addition to this, adult-child relationships should be legal if children get individual recognition of capability to consent from a court. With no arbitrary minimum age because consent is easier to understand than any dumb anti's retarded interpretation of human sexuality, so convoluted and based in his personal squick factors as it is.

>>92986

Children can't consent and legalising child porn would incentivise the creation of more child porn.

There is no reason at all to do this except for your floaty "configuration of pixels" ideals and that's not worth bringing harm to children over.

>>92988

I mean statistically speaking legalizing the possession of CP has been shown to reduce the rates of sex crimes involving minors so if you were really concerned with more children not being harmed you would decriminalize fapping to porn at a computer screen rather than making it the legal equivalent of going out a raping a kid.

>>92993

You do realise that the creation of CP necessitates raping children, right?

>>92993

Those statics are only gotten from when countries make CP illegal, leading to a temporary spike in child sex crimes. Not from it being made legal and child sex crimes going down. Additionally, those statics likely include CP charges as child sex crimes. So of course the rate of child sex crimes would go up. It's like saying making murder illegal leads to a massive rise in illegal murders.

>>92995

It wasn't a study illegalizing CP in which the rates of sex crimes went up, it was a study in which legalizing the possession of CP resulted in the rate of sex crimes going down. It was done in czech if you want to look it up yourself.

>>92998

sex crimes involve a victim, imprisoning people for fapping to the wrong kind of porn does not, they are completely different categories of crime.

by that logic the fact that lolicon is illegal in the UK means that arrests for lolicon are contributing to the rate of sex crimes involving minors.

>>92999

>by that logic the fact that lolicon is illegal in the UK means that arrests for lolicon are contributing to the rate of sex crimes involving minors.

Probably. I don't make their laws.

>>92996

Consuming child porn means you support the industry and creates a demand to produce more. How is this hard to understand?

>>93001

If you were to post a dick pic in this thread and somebody saved it would that be creating demand for you to produce more dick pics or would you have no idea if there actually was any demand because you're simply releasing your dick pics for free to the internet for whoever wants them without a thought of the overarching dick pic industry that you're supplying for no personal gain whatsoever?

>>93001

>Consuming child porn means you support the industry and creates a demand to produce more.

But why video game industry hates my guts then?

>>93003

>If you were to post a dick pic in this thread and somebody saved it would that be creating demand for you to produce more dick pics

Yes if the person who saved it liked it and asked for more as is the case with CP. Reminder that piracy boosts sales of everything but blockbuster movies.

>>92987

Too far, too far.

The age of consent is a mess in it's own right, but it's something that for the most part works. Tossing it out for something that is almost certain to become a train-wreck is not a good idea.

Perhaps, we could tune it so there's a four year buffer rather than locking up someone who is 18 and who is dating a 17 year old and maybe factor in relationships which started when both of them were underage, but there is a good reason it exists.

>>92986

The reason it is illegal to possess is not really because it specifically incentivizes abuse.

The reason it is illegal to possess is that otherwise it would be impossible to prove that someone has committed a crime, as often times, they will also be doing things like distribution which is far, far worse.

Proving distribution is nigh impossible given the way the internet works.

>>92991

I would like to think that judges aren't dumb enough to just rubber stamp every ridiculous proposal.

>>92993

I don't mind rolling back all the retarded anti-lolicon laws to help facilitate that. Is that good enough? Do we need a big ad campaign to get people to convert to the loli side?

>>93010

>Perhaps, we could tune it so there's a four year buffer rather than locking up someone who is 18 and who is dating a 17 year old

It already works that way. There's Romeo and Juliet clauses.

>I would like to think that judges aren't dumb enough to just rubber stamp every ridiculous proposal.

He said any age. What proposal for allowing a child with an age in the one's digit full autonomy to consent to sexual intercourse would you not find ridiculous?

>>93010

There have also been cases where some piece of crap would go overseas to have sex with kids, record it all to put online, and hop back to the U.S. when they're done. This is often outside of U.S. jurisdiction, so there's nothing the police can do about it.

I don't think child pornography being legal or illegal has an impact on that as they're likely both pedophiles (attracted to children) and psychopaths (unable to feel empathy for other human beings), but it's nice to see them getting put away somewhere where they can't harm anyone.

And a "relationship" with a child prostitute who is desperate for food can hardly be considered "consensual", if anyone wants to argue down those lines.

>>93007

I wouldn't produce CP and risk my entire life being ruined because someone might like it for the same reason I wouldn't post CP here and risk my entire life being ruined because someone might like it, what kind of retarded rationale is that anyway?

If people are going to produce CP they're going to do it regardless of demand because the good wishes of the people getting the CP doesn't suddenly make it worth it to risk your life in order to create it.

>>93014

>because the good wishes of the people getting the CP doesn't suddenly make it worth it to risk your life in order to create it.

Neither is it worth it to normal people to risk jail to fuck a child. Pedos like sharing CP for free with other pedos for the same reason all degenerates like posting their fetishes.

>>92621

>lolis are often drawn with many post-pubescent features

That's what makes them different from the 3dpds and so good. >>81327 is pretty much the hottest thing in the universe.

>>93015

But "normal people" risk jail by raping women all the time, far more than pedos are raping children, its self evident that sexual gratification makes risking your life worth it in the eyes of these people.

Whats not self evident is why you think it would be worth it to share footage of those illegal acts online simply because some people might thank you for it.

>>93017

Pedos like sharing CP for free with other pedos for the same reason all degenerates like posting their fetishes.

>>93018

So by your own logic they have an inherent urge to share what they create regardless of the demand for it because degenerates just like posting their fetishes?

>>93019

They like the attention they get from it and especially the positive attention they get from fellow degenerates of similar taste.

>>93020

So if the internet didn't exist then pedos would no longer rape kids to make CP from it because they only do it in order to get positive attention online?

>>93021

Pedos sharing CP was a problem for the police even before the internet.

It usually came in the form of physical tapes, ifaik.

>>93021

Circles of pedos sharing their porn and making more of it to share existed before the internet.

>>93022

>>93023

Okay then let me get this straight, pedos risk their lives to rape kids in order to record it just so they can share it and get a positive reaction out of other pedos so if you think about it its the ability to record their child raping thats creating a demand to rape children in the first place so logically wouldn't it make sense to illegalize all recording devices under the same rationale as possessing CP is illegal?

I mean by your logic it would result in less children being raped since pedos are raping children purely to share CP with other pedos right? Or is children being raped a worthy sacrifice for your ability to take selfies?

>>93024

Well. No.

They do it because they're either psychopaths who don't give a damn about kids or they're so twisted that they think the children actually enjoy it.

Some of them were molested as kids and use reasoning along the lines of "I was molested when I was younger and I enjoyed it so much that I'll do it to other people too".

I don't think all pedophiles are like that, even the consumers and distributors, but the producers are just… twisted.

>>93025

That post is less directed at you since you clearly understand that pedos aren't just creating CP because other pedos want it unlike that other anon whos so wrapped up in his narrative about creating a demand for CP that it leads to ridiculous scenarios like banning all recording devices when taken to its logical conclusion.

>>93006

>even if they couldn't it would make no logical sense to disallow contact along those lines because their consent is never asked for in any other element of their lives

We also aren't exploiting them as a sexual object to selfishly get our jollies at their expense in any other aspect of their lives

>>93027

well the argument could be made that just bringing them into this god forsaken world to continue our genetic line is a selfish and exploitative act that they never asked for

>>93027

The scariest thing about this is that someone may well create people who think it is normal to do that to children. At-least with many pedophiles, they have the morals to know that it is obviously bad.

People will argue that some children mature sooner than others or that some can deal with it, but it's really not worth taking the risk when the obvious option is you know, not to have sex with them in the first place.

>>93025

>or they're so twisted that they think the children actually enjoy it.

The children can enjoy it. I can speak of this from experience as a victim of child molestation, I certainly liked it at the time, and I was certainly just as capable of orgasm as an adult. The issue is that while a child can enjoy it, and while they can realize they enjoy it and consequently want more, they can't truly understand exactly what sex is, and they will certainly suffer mental damage as a result of their development being thrown wildly off-rails.

>>93028

You could make that argument but then you'd be a death cultist.

>>93029

Muslims already think its normal and their populations are booming as they spread all over the planet while we can't even meet a replacement rate as our marriages fall apart and our single mothers breed retarded autistic kids because they wait too long to have babies, so much for the "obvious option".

In the long run its evolution that will dictate whos morality is superior and the odds don't seem to be in our favor.

>>93033

>he actually thinks the muslim baby boom is because they fuck people who are too young to be capable of procreation

>>93034

Its because they marry young instead of waiting until their women have fucked 100 different guys before legally allowing them to marry so any marriage they do enter into has a higher chance of failing than lasting.

So while the american woman spends her whole life jumping from one purposeless fuck buddy to the next making no children the muslim woman is married to her first sexual partner which gives the highest likelyhood of a lasting marriage and together they breed like rabbits.

>>93036

It also permitted child brides just as islam does today because sexual liberation doesn't change the raging libido that puberty grants you and its best to already be devoted to a single partner by the time that hits rather than be left to sleep around with whoever your hormone addled mind deems pleasing at the moment which is the status quo nowadays.

>>93024

>pedos are raping children purely to share CP with other pedos right?

No one ever said purely.

>>92988

Children can consent is the stupidest shit I still hear on a daily basis. I can't even imagine the mental gymnastics you'd have to do to believe this. It's probably social pressure.

>>93040

The complete inversion of the truth.

>>93031

>they will certainly suffer mental damage

Speak for yourself. If you look at testimonies of people who had sex as children, a lot of them report a positive experience.

I don't doubt that in the case of child rape a lot of children suffered psychological damage, but surprise, that also happens to adults. Rape is obviously a bad thing, but consensual sex isn't.

>inb4 "hurr all sex involving children is rape cuz they can't consent"

>>93042

>Get child's consent to have sex

>She loses her virginity

>Later when she's older she then fully understands the value of what she's lost

<Hurr the child consented. She was just a slut. She totally knew what it meant to lose her virginity.

>>93043

What happens when she's older? Nothing. Sometimes everyone finds out and they brainwash her into believing something horrible happened to her, continuously talking about how she must've suffered, despite the fact she consented to it and legitimately enjoyed it, and as a result she comes to believe she was a victim and thus the narrative reinforces itself. Happens every once in a while.

>>93044

Anon, you seriously don't understand the value of a woman's virginity?

>>93042

>If you look at testimonies of people who had sex as children, a lot of them report a positive experience

If you didn't rush in your insecurity to disagree you'd realize this includes myself, retard

>>93044

>Sometimes everyone finds out and they brainwash her into believing something horrible happened to her, continuously talking about how she must've suffered, despite the fact she consented to it and legitimately enjoyed it, and as a result she comes to believe she was a victim and thus the narrative reinforces itself

This is pure cope. All you're doing is victim blaming. You're just saying she's wrong for feeling hurt, that you did nothing wrong and she should shut up and stop feeling hurt. I have utmost confidence in that assertion because the people who think this have consistently told me I'm in the wrong for feeling hurt and damaged by my abuse because I enjoyed it at the time. And to poke another hole in your rationalization, to this day nobody knows about it except me and my abuser, so you can't claim I was brainwashed against it.

>>93046

You were abused so everyone that has sex is now abused, makes sense. One rape happens and now adult-adult sex bad.

>>93044

>>93045

Oh wait, it makes since. Since you're an adult, and you're too stupid to get these things but can legally consent, children ought to be able to legally consent too! Difference is, you had plenty of time to figure out how the world works and come to understand the short and long term consequences of sexual intercourse. A child has not.

>>93046

>to this day nobody knows about it except me and my abuser, so you can't claim I was brainwashed against it.

Yes he can. He can simply say society's view on child sex is your brainwashing. Not direct social pressure by your peers about your personal situation.

>>93047

Do you faggots have to read into my words, or does this case just throw such a monkey wrench into your worldview that you simply can't comprehend it?

Again: I was not forced or coerced, I did not dislike it

>>93048

>Yes he can. He can simply say society's view on child sex is your brainwashing

I suppose he can, but then I would have license to totally dismiss his entire position out of hand since he would be making it automatically correct by making evidence of the contrary impossible. I would also find it laughable

Also can I just point out what a blatant rationalization pro-contact beliefs are? I want everyone here who is pro-contact to pose this question to yourself: "Would I believe adult-child sex is acceptable if I was not interested in sex with children?"

>>93053

>They would obviously say yes regardless.

If they say 'yes', this just proves my point and actually contradicts arguments they make because the answer is obviously 'no'. If they say 'no' then they essentially concede my point.

>>93057

I don't think you're seeing my point. You and I do not factor into it at all. Teleiophiles (aka normalfags) are opposed to adult-child sex. I trust this fact is not disputed, and that is why the answer is obviously no. Hence my point: They are only accepting of adult-child sex because they are pedophiles, which gives them a clear vested interest in adult-child sex being ok. Hence they do not hold these beliefs for any justifiable reason, but only because it justifies themselves, essentially reforming their beliefs to suit themselves to avoid self-applying negative beliefs about pedophiles. It's just an emotional defense mechanism, a rationalization.

Fuuuuck, it's been a long time since I was last on ATF or its discord chat. I was a coder and lower-level admin on the site for a couple years but changes in my living situation driven by some very unsavory characters (one of which was quasi-recently found guilty and will be sentenced very soon) led to me ghosting them (anyone who was around at the time will know what I'm talking about). Having to pick up and move your entire life across the country, find new employment, and assume a new identity will do that. It's not fun. VPNs are my only real lifeline.

If Sinom, Dolly, or that one Salvadorean chick that I had a crush on (whose name now eludes me) is reading this, please tell the others that I'm still alive. The bullet wounds have healed as well as they can. My wife and I are safe, but no longer live on the east coast. We've purchased even more guns, now. I'm sorry I'm a shitty friend. You guys made a very difficult chapter of my life a lot easier, and I'm glad you were a part of it. But I've been so busy the last two or so years that I haven't had the time to keep up that alter ego. If you feel like it, the email associated with my old account is still active and the public key on my profile is still valid. If you want to say hi, I wouldn't mind.

Thanks guys, you really helped me out. I'm sorry.

>>92459 (OP)

Thanks for the prostiloli translations ATF!

>>93040

It's very easy to believe that. When someone is cornered with nowhere else to go, a desire they can do nothing about and a group of people who will just believe whatever they want to be true. It's a coping mechanism, there is an inherent loneliness to it all.

Fantasies are fine and all, but when it comes to real children, things like that should be left purely in the realm of fantasy. I think that more research could be done in this area (our research into psychology sucks royally in general), but I don't think it is currently worth the risk.

It should go without saying that it should never be up-to the person who desperately wants sex, complicit family members (abusers are often family rather than random people on the street as is the lore), or a gullible child to make such a determination as to whether they're capable in any circumstance.

This is ignoring all the legal matters which make attempting it the pinnacle of retardation.

>>93063

>I think that more research could be done in this area (our research into psychology sucks royally in general)

Research into free pedophiles is almost impossible. Imagine if some kind of study was advertised looking for pedophiles who have not been arrested. Would you show up to that? Would you associate your face with that, your name with that? I know I wouldn't.

>>93050

Don't bother, I've already dismissed your position out of hand.

>>93066

Next time just say "no u", it's less cringy that way

>>93067

I was first, it is only your faulty perception of the progression of this conversation that leads you to believe I had not already dismissed your position out of hand before you even finished stating it.

>>93068

Big true tbh.

>>93072

It's true, I have no interest in listening to the bullshit antis spew. Least of all you fags that try to make it about you and your bad experience to poison the well for everyone else. It really isn't even about you, it's a discarding of your archetype's position as a whole. There is no part of you that is uniquely predisposed to being tossed.

>>93074

What a take from another anti, at least I tell you I'm explicitly biased.

>>93073

It's parents who campaign against it. They don't want random people harming their kids, this ironically leads to parents getting away with abusing their own kids in a lot of cases.

When nudist images were struck off the CP classification, a lot of parents were absolutely furious and protested. No politician ever wants to lose favor with them.

I don't think it's just rape which harms kids either, perhaps there is a way of identifying which ones will be harmed and which ones won't, but assuming that they won't be is a bad idea.

>>92959

Lolicon = Lolita Complex, derived from the book Lolita. Lolicon =/= Gothic Lolita Fashion.

>>93061

>>93085

Both of your posts have been brought to the attention of the staff.

>>93086

To add a bit, since ATF runs a lot of third party modules (booru, forum) you should watch out for HTTP response headers leaking out information about the real server address, and make sure you block that at the LB level with the proxy_hide_header directive.

>>93086

Hey is there any way I could get an invite to the discord?

>>93084

>Derived from the book Lolita

>Japs made the term

>Japs wrote Lolita

Please stop responding to me until you aren't retarded anymore.

any estimates on how long before the site is back, and this terrible comment chain can be nuked from orbit?

>>93094

Reeeeee discussions I don't like reeeeeeee

>>93096

what kind of lunatic would like this never-ending butthurt bitchfit about the ethics of banging kids?

>>93099

what kind of lunatic would prefer a hugbox where nothing they say is ever questioned and everyone they talk to agrees with them on everything so theres nothing of substance to discuss?

>>93085

>>93087

Based network engineer anon.

Hope they implement the protections this time or this shit will keep happening.

>>93100

>what kind of lunatic would prefer a hugbox where nothing they say is ever questioned and everyone they talk to agrees with them on everything so theres nothing of substance to discuss?

This actually sounds quite nice.

Arguments on the internet never lead to any positive outcomes anyway. Nobody's opinion gets changed and no substantial action gets taken. It just makes people angry and wastes time which could be better spent on more productive activities.

>>93117

>more productive activities

Like masturbating to cartoons?

>>93035

I thought it was more because they just kill slutty women.

>200 posts

>not a single joke about the ATF agency

>>93124

Adolescent Tween Fetish agency? There's nothing to joke about.

>>92949

I get you and I agree but on the other hand it also smells like vampire.

Please don't tell me I'm going to be waiting until Winter 2014 for ATF to come back.

>>93138

Is this a meme?

>>93135

Oh, don't worry if that's your response then you're fine I was just thinking of another anon who could say something like that.

Also like vampires btw.

>>93139

The Mother 4 fangame was supposed to come out Winter 2014 and people are still waiting

>>93149

>>93149

Can I get a 24-hour version? Even 09:00 here is too young for me

>>93151

Fuck you nigger, there's not even close to enough toddlercon as it is.

>>93153

babby is not for sexual

>>92956

He says it's 8-14 specifically.

just wanted to know of any updates to atf, instead I also got to read through an entire ethical debate regarding the legality of loli. Now, I'm just sitting here in a dark room questioning myself. Perhaps a little sit down at the edge of a windy cliff may decide whats best for me.toodles

>>93176

If you have actual CP of real kids then yes please do, make sure it's a very windy cliff.

Otherwise if it's just drawn 2D loli content please don't since it wouldn't be justified.

If anything you should wait until ATF comes online and talk to other like minded folks in the personal section of the site and find support

So, what's the status of the site? Is it still waiting on the servers to be set up or something?

>>93176

I don't see anyone ITT talking about the ethics or legality of loli, just about whether or not it's pedophilia.

>>93179

>If you have actual CP of real kids then yes please do, make sure it's a very windy cliff.

What if you stumbled on cp and were overwhelmed and fapped to it? Asking for a friend

>What if you stumbled on cp and were overwhelmed and fapped to it? Asking for a friend

That actually happened to me. There was this Dropbox folder full of normal porn, and the dark think mixed in between.

>>93182

>What if you stumbled on cp

Don't hover cursor over or open the image if thumbnail where you can tell what it is, if a link in new tab close it right away, report the offending image/user to host.

>>93183 If discovered in a folder full of normal porn, delete the offending material and really at that point the whole folder as there may be more bad images mixed in. Best not to risk viewing anymore after that.

>and were overwhelmed

Sure that can happen especially for the first time, a normal response should be shock and disgust even from a lolicon perspective because real 3D is a no-go by all means.

If overwhelmed such as excitement to seeing such then you've got a bigger issue at hand, continuing below.

>and fapped to it

Big mistake, Assuming you didn't save it afterwards and felt immediate shame and regret then not all hope is lost, you just have to not let that happen ever again. Learn control and don't purposely seek it out. If saved or fapped multiple times to such then you have a big issue that will can and only spiral out of control, if you reside in Germany perhaps consider trying the Prevention Project Dunkelfeld before things get to the point where you're lusting over real girls in public or become dangerous around young family members or friends. *Better yet turn yourself into police admitting what you did, usually first time offenders most likely get little sentence and shown some leniency by the judge for turning yourself in and knowing/admitting to your fault, might only be a few months at most in a comfy protective custody cell in a low security level facility where you commune with a mental health worker to work on your fault or at best a few hundred hours of community service or house arrest with no internet or internet enabled devices during the sentence time. After it's over your internet connection will be forever monitored of course and your name on a list but that will serve as a good deterrent not to offend again or face much harsher sentence. If not guilt ridden and one actually enjoys looking at such content and don't want to help themselves stop then they should just find that windy cliff and stand on the edge hopefully before they offend against a real child when their lust and urges get the better of them. I'm a lolicon but I can't stand actual pedos that lust or enjoy their continued sexual gratification using real abuse images/videos of kids. (*Depends on country of course and judge.)