So today I posted a commission that had been completed some time ago with guro/gore as the subject matter.
Now, this commission had been sitting in my folders for some time now and I had been debating posting it for fear that my watchers may dislike the content but ultimately decided to post it because I personally enjoy the subject matter and also liked the image because it served as a nice example of what I can do when asked to work outside of my comfort zone.
I didn't really consider the topic to be that upsetting when there's already a large variety of non-conventional fetish material in my gallery (fat furs, vore, pregnancy, tentacles, ect) but my assumption that you all would be okay with gore was incorrect and I apologize for any discontent I may have caused. While I did upload a thumbnail warning, tag the image correctly and put a "trigger warning" on the image, that apparently was not enough to shield folks from the material they didn't want to see and that wasn't my intention.
As it stands, the image will not be reuploaded so you don't have to worry about that again. I will continue to only post what the majority wants to see and keep non-conventional fetish work out of the public eye. Sorry for the lapse of judgement on my end, hope everyone has a good day!
EDIT: It seems the problem with the image revolved around the thumbnail warning not showing up for everyone, so I elected to remove the image! I do appreciate everyone saying "I have the right to do what I want with my gallery" and I absolutely agree, which is why I thought about my choice to remove the image and decided to do so!
Honestly, when it comes to gore, I can half understand the complaints because with blood and gore it can be a "gross out" topic or make folks uneasy. I don't want to intentionally subject people to something they find offensive so I decided it would be better to just remove the image. While I personally don't agree that the subject is offensive, I can put my pride aside and put my watchers before myself since they're the ones who make me who I am as an artist!
its *not* your fault though, i still agree with your original statement that its everyone elses fault. it really sucks to see someone supress things they enjoy, and hell knows how many times ive suppressed myself for others *hugs on*
Yeah, that was also a complaint I saw and what ultimately made me just remove the image. I uploaded a very clear and very bold thumbnail but apparently some folks were not seeing it so I decided to just pull the image.
I agree, thats something that the FA devs need to work on now... I've seen far to many things that I don't like because thumbnails don't work and it showes the full image... that and artists putting a warning on the image rather than a title, an saying "oh, well my thumbnail had a warning"
some people need to grow a pair and just freeking deal with it... I for one don't like the subject, but I enjoy your art so I looked at it. To be honest, I thought it was amazing looking... I just have one question about it, and you can choose to not respond, or PM me the answer, but her stomach, was it deep, or just the skin? (trying to keep details minimum for those squeemish fks who flamed you for something they didn't like...)
I didn't get a chance to see it, but I agree. You should feel free to post what you want in your gallery. Proper warning appreciated but people are way too sensitive about everything these days.
I, personally, feel that it's wrong for people to make a big deal out of seeing a single image which they do not like. It's like some people only follow some artists for fap-material, and not the quality of the work. Though, keeping certain things in another account is a good idea so people don't flip at seeing some gore or other "odd" fetishes. IDK. I conversed with some watchers about this kind of thing and a couple people kind of irritated me, but I guess it's understandable >.<
I do agree that artists have the right to post whatever they like, but I did make the choice to remove the image for the sake of those offended. I'm an artist and I do hold my integrity and commitment to "freedom of expression" highly, but some subjects can be pretty hard for the general audience to take in and I certainly don't want anyone to feel bad when they look at my work.
As for making a second account, I don't have any plans for that! Managing one account is a pretty taxing job and I don't honestly believe I could invest the proper amount of time into maintaining it!
Ah, well too bad I didn't get to see it ;w; Would you care about showing it to me via notes? I love seeing new art regardless of content and and I'd love to see what has some peoples' weenies tied in knots >w> If not, it's all good <3 Just curious and interested ^^
You should be able to post whatever you want in your own gallery, especially if you went through all the trouble of putting up warnings and such. XP
Sure, it kind of sucks that the thumbnail doesn't show through when browsing an inbox, but the worst they would see is a minimized image. If they clicked on it then it's their own fault, honestly. XP
I'm sad that I didn't see it but you know what? Fuck em. I personally have posted gore pieces and I've had people that are like "Well hey it's not my thing but whatever." You can post whatever you want. If you had a thumbnail and warnings and they clicked on it then they're stupid mindless sheeple and don't deserve to share their opinion with you.
I think the biggest issue was that the thumbnail wanting wasn't loading for everyone, and with gore being somewhat of a "triggering" subject, I felt it would be better to remove it outright! Don't want anyone having their day ruined over something as silly as a picture and I definitely didn't aim to harm anyone.
I think gore in art is always something that can be a bit distressing for some, gore is something that quite alot of us may be freaked out by and its a pretty natural thing. I have always found seeing something in art is way more powerful than seeing it in video games or movies.
Now personaly I don't think you should delete it if some people aren't happy by it, it is easy to just not click on an image or just delete it from your watchers submissions list, as long as the content rating was correct then people shouldn't be worrying about it, but at the same time I do respect that you have the thoughts of others watching you in mind. Its good you care about not upsetting people.
Yeah, I can completely understand the stigma around gore and that's why I was a bit more understanding that I would have been if it were a more tame subject. Visually, gore can be a rough thing to look at and when I found out my warning thumbnail wasn't showing for everyone, I felt the best course of action would be to just pull the image all together. Overall, my pride can always take a side seat to upsetting my fans because they matter far more to me!
I did see the thumb in my inbox, but decided not to click as guro isn't my thing. That being said I did not think the image was particularly "extreme."
Do you not have an alt account for that kind of thing, or am I thinking of a different artist?
I didn't think it was that bad. Hell I've seen worse on here, but hey. I feel bad if someone got really shook up over it, but if someone just got offended then they need to just stop. The beauty of sites like this is people can post what they want within an understood limit. Just enjoy the artwork even if the theme isn't to your liking. But if someone really DID get that badly shook up from it then that's different and I feel bad for them.
Moving away from that though, I rather liked it. ^^ I'm cool with gore myself and coupled with a style likes yours it's really quite fun to see what happens. You did well on it and you should be proud of it, it turned out well.
While I generally agree that folks can be oversensitive these days, I think some subjects (such as gore) can really effect folks in different ways and I don't want to cause anyone any form of distress. While it is my gallery and I'm welcome to post what I want, I've elected to favor keeping my fans happy and do my best not to bring them any bad vibes!
I agree with you there, and I respect the fact that you don't wish to upset anyone. It's an aspect of human interaction that tends to get lost nowadays.
This is precisely why FA needs a system where you can 'hide' images in, say, the new folder system. As far as I'm aware warning thumbs only work on the latest submissions section on a profile page - i.e. I never see thumbs for uploaded images in my inbox or when browsing a gallery - just a resized image.Which is just lame.
Yeah, I really wish that system would get a little revamp! Lord knows I've seen some things I didn't want to in my inbox at times due to thumbnails not working for inboxes!
Yeah... I have three scat images now but I just upload warning thumbs as the submission and link to the full image in the description because I respect the fact that some people don't want to see that. I'd really like to upload the full image but only if I can hide them in such a way that I can be sure that people won't accidentally see them - and this new 'gallery preview' feature on submissions just made that harder.
I don't understand why people are jumping down the throats of those who found the image offensive. It's a very polarizing subject that can make people terribly squeamish / queasy if it's not their thing (Which is the case for a lot of people). There's nothing wrong with reacting negatively to gore content, especially since you presumably only follow artists who don't normally post that sort of content since - well - they'd rather avoid it. If they're actively watching artists who occasionally / frequently upload that sort of thing, then yeah, that's silly, but in a case like this I have to disagree.
I know I don't blame you for wanting to share your art, and it's saddening to hear that you had to take down work that you seemed rather proud of, even though it's a subject matter I don't particularly enjoy. I can absolutely understand why people were upset, though, and they're not at all in the wrong, either. The argument that you don't click it if you don't like it is a little bogus since the thumbnail preview is definitely big enough to see what's going on at even the slightest glance.
Really, though, none of this would be an issue if the site would properly make it so that Inbox thumbnails / previews for submissions were censored as they are in other viewing modes. It boggles my mind that it doesn't function that way by default, but I suppose FA is a little behind in several areas, really.
I agree that everyone reacts to things differently, but I don't really see anyone jumping down anyone else's throat! I think the general vibe in here is that folks want artists to be able to upload their work without backlash more than having anything against folks who dislike certain subject matter.
As far as my gallery goes, I didn't think it would be as much of a shock given it's a commonly known fact that I draw fetish material of all types often and when I have vore, morbidly obese characters, and other non-vanilla material (that could be considered sensitive depending on who you ask) subject matter in my gallery, I wasn't under the impression that it would have been such a shock. But that was an incorrect assumption on my end and I made sure to apologize for it!
As for people being upset, I don't mind them being bothered; I guess I did mind the fact they sent me very aggressive emails and notes about it (calling me some pretty offensive things on top of it), but otherwise generally civil commentary was what prompted me to remove it in the end.
"While I did upload a thumbnail warning, tag the image correctly and put a "trigger warning" on the image, that apparently was not enough to shield folks from the material they didn't want to see and that wasn't my intention.'
I really don't understand why people got upset when you legitimately took the steps to prevent people who may've been uncomfortable from, y'know... seeing it on accident. Honestly that's on them, not you.
That bites and wish I'd gotten a chance to see it.
It would be helpful if they'd implement a tag filtering system like weasyl has. That way people could just block stuff like that that they don't want to see.
Well if people were clicking on the image despite the warning then that's more of their own fault. But considering the Thumbnail warning wasn't showing I can't really blame em.
Though to be fair, I missed it. Glad people clarified.
If someone see's a warning and clicks anyways: they forfeit their right to complain since they were warned about it beforehand. I say you should upload it and keep it up because it's your right to display your hard work to run your business.
Maybe upload the only a crop of the image without any offensive imagery and with "gore/guro" written on it and link to the full image in the description?
That way you can still share your work but there is a zero percent chance of someone seeing it without knowing what they're getting into.
i can assure you that this does not help against people who simply want to complain. for a little while there, fauxlacine was getting threats of violence and death from one particularily ornery watcher, even with their thumbnails and warnings being more obvious than a neon sign. people just like to be angry sometimes!
FA's thumbnail system is very flawed , my suggestion was intended to provide a way to protect sensitive but reasonable individuals who know what they can and cannot handle seeing (if the full content is never on fa's servers one would have to follow an external link) . Especially when such images are not commonly posted by the artist. Fauxlacine (who I am a huge fan of) is an entirely different situation, as her entire gallery is focused on gore and other mature themes, there is an expectation of such imagery etc. Overall if you're drawing something controversial you run the risk of negative responses. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't make an effort to allow people to avoid seeing things they don't want to .
The journal states that the art was removed due to the thumnail malfunction, so I was trying to offer a solution, I totally respect any artists choice to not post gore if they don't want to deal with the way people act about it.
Didn't get to see it, but I don't get why people get bent out of shape over stuff that is not their preference, when an artist works out of their comfort area.
I don't get why people are so over sensitive when it comes to art.
While I am always for posting what you want as apposed to what viewers want, you are right to be careful. Sometimes the best thnig to do is keep some things private.
Yeah, there was no warning. I clicked on an thumbnail I thought was curious and was in for a bit of a shock!
Really not a fan of gore, but I would've just chosen not to have clicked it had I known. :p Different strokes for different folks and all that. Don't really care.
a bunch of artists have a lot of art pieces I don't like for the fact they deal with topics I don't find interesting, appealing and are even "Gross" to most people.
But as it stands, I really see no point in complaining. Sure the lack of a thumbnail is something you can't fix... that's up to our admins... who I'm surprised have not fixed so many bugs with this site... regardless of that. Your gallery, your right to upload.
Besides, my gf finds one of my favorite fetishes particularly weird and even a bit gross but doesn't mind me drawing it XD. Eh, tastes and all that :p
Upload what you want uploaded. If somebody doesn't like it, they don't have to look at it, especially if you put a warning in the title. I'm just getting tired of all this anger people have at things they dont want to see. "I DON'T CARE IF YOU LIKE GORE, I DON'T SO YOU NEED TO MOLD YOU VERY IDENTITY TO CATER TO WHAT I WANT." Its bullshit.
I see you edited the post with the clarification that the thumbnail preview image didn't show up as a warning for everyone. I just wanted to chime in and say that I as well did not get a warning for a thumbnail just a smaller version of the image where curiosity got me and i clicked the full piece.
While it's not my sort of fetish or thing you have every right to upload it if you feel that you want to.
I do not see people who clicked to see an image having a case to object to what the image is, especially if there was a warning thumbnail. I mean, does noone CHECK before they click anymore? Besides that, if you don't like it, DON'T LOOK at it. Noone's sitting there forcing you to.
I firmly say that you should have the right to post what you like, and not have to bow to someone else who feels offended by that.
Ah, I saw the image yesterday. It's not my kind of thing at all, although I still saved + faved it because the art style is good. In any case, I cannot understand people who complain about art... at all. Seriously everyone, just don't click it if you don't like it, what the hell In my opinion you shouldn't have to delete anything from your gallery because of how people react, at least on an ideal internet.
(i'm being social TWO DIFFERENT TIMES in the SAME DAY it is an absolute miracle)
i was actually just giving my two cents for someone who was vehemently angry at a user on DeviantART for being a fan of fauxlacine, who has gotten a small bit of notoriety as a horror writer and artist! their work revolves entirely around horror themes and unsavory subjects, and their overall goal is to make you wildly uncomfortable. naturally, this will have very mixed results, and they've gotten death threats regarding their subject matter! i myself have actually recieved an anonymous comment on Tumblr, which was mild, but it got a chuckle out of me; "how can you like Journey and The Thing at the same time? those are two conflicting interests" was the jist of what i got.
it is perfectly reasonable for people to be angry or uncomfortable, but i find it absolutely atrocious when artists are mutinied for doing what they will with their galleries and their time. i'm very sorry that you've gotten such an awful negative reaction to your work, and as a fan of horror i would naturally encourage that you continue to explore this genre regardless of the outlash! perhaps a secondary account for gore-only would be a suitable option? it's one that i've seen be taken as an unfortunate side-effect of such anger. it's very unfortunate that people could be warned out the yin-yang and still find reason to complain.
i respect your decision to take down the picture, but i hope one day i could catch a glimpse of your more macabre artwork, preferably without you getting such a vicious backlash!
It might be advisable to post any future gory artwork somewhere that has a tag filtering system in place for its users in addition to having actual working custom thumbnails. I doubt FA will implement the former any time soon, and they don't seem to care they broke something that once had worked fine in the past.
Of course, tag filtering would still have its problems. Namely people here not knowing how to add them correctly - I've ran into several submissions that had nothing to do with what I was looking for - or opting to not add them at all. But at least it would be better than having everything show up, even the things you don't like, without a way to hide them.
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