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What does it mean when a product is “Amazon’s Choice”? (wired.com)
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Our data shows "Amazon Choice" is essentially a join table between product and search keywords, ordered by a multiplier of conversions, ratings, and availability.

- Customers are happy when they get stuff fast - it needs to be available right now, and in the buy box

- Higher rated items are theoretically better than lower rated items

- "choice" badge is keyword specific: a plant light could be choice for "grow light bulb" and "grow light led" but not for "light bulb".

Our data shows the items are not correlated by margins for. We often see negative NET PPM on "choice" items.

Source: I run an Amazon consultancy that manages roughly $30M/year sold through Amazon.


So this would largely imply that Amazon's Choice truly is about giving customers the best experience (to the extent possible given the quality of keyword and review data)?

Basically, labeling products the customer is most likely to purchase.

but, pessimistically or realistically, I expect they are also training customers to blindly trust the black box and eventually the criteria will change towards maximizing short-term value.


Yes, also in my experience "Amazon's Choice" does not protect you from counterfeit, grey market or any other crap items.

I wrote to jeff (at) amazon (dot) com last week about this, because I got super upset. And some middle manager replied. I shipped US -> UK some underwear from a company that uses no latex (I'm allergic), sends items inside a ziplocked sealed bag and prohibits underwear returns (for hygiene reasons).

After waiting for the parcel for 2 days at home, as I was in a hurry to get more latex free underwear, I got an Amazon envelope and the underwear came inside without any packaging and clearly used (!). I was furious.

Not an isolated event. A few weeks ago, I ordered a shower with a chlorine filter from Amazon UK. I know this korean brand very well. Again, I got the item without any original packaging, and water inside (!).

So I don't trust Amazon anymore for items that are more than $10. People abuse the return policy, and Amazon does not care. Or it's even their business model: Ship it again, selling it as new. Online shopping is getting very tricky.

I'd gladly pay more at places that guarantee brand new items. Things are getting really scammy. Around 1/5 of the items I buy online have been opened and used, or have some defects. And I'm talking about expensive stuff and supposedly reputable sellers.


The jeff@ experience is really poor now. There doesn't seem to be a way to request real review by someone who might care about something other than ticket throughput. I tried it when I got a ding against my account because my wife and I had ordered something that in total was over a limit. I was accused of misuse of accounts. Ended up move all my personal data out of Amazon because of it.

It's been bad for years. I've heard from people who have gotten emails back that said that Amazon is actively pursuing a partnership with a company that they have never contacted (mine). Other people say they just get boilerplate responses that seem to be written by bad AI or non-native speakers who didn't understand the customer email.

Recently bought a name-brand tool for ~100 € on Amazon and it was (1) used (2) counterfeit.

Looks like there is an inflection point where adversarial activities become more profitable than genuine activity. I wonder if this has happened for Amazon. In this case, I would expect counterfeiters would grow exponentially. That's just the laws of economics.

That’s nasty. They do point out in the article at least two examples where knockoff fashion items were badges instead of the real deal, so it seems somewhat pervasive.

Yes, I think their warehouse policies are totally crazy.

But that has a little advantage. When they send you used items, it is easy to notice.

If you buy at some reputable shops, they know how to scam you and resell used items as brand new, not as refurbished, grade A or whatever, which is illegal at least in EU.

For example, I wrote to the customer service of a famous fountain pen shop in the UK asking about return policies on a very particular model which comes sealed with stickers. I was shocked when they said I could not only open the box and inspect the pen, but also ink it and use it. If after a week I decide I no longer like it, I should just send it back. It will get sold as brand new. They only advised me to open the stickers really carefully to facilitate their (scam) task.

In fact, if you shop around their website, you'd notice there are practically no refurbished or open box items in proportion to their high volume of sales.

If you ask any fountain pen enthusiast, a pen that has been used for a week is not new. Just like a car that has 2000 km in the dial. Good shops even sell models have been dipped in ink, not even filled, at a heavy discount.


As a fountain pen enthusiast, do you mind naming the shop in question?

Cult Pens. The problem is that most manufacturers collaborate by not plastic wrapping and sealing pens.

For example, no Pilot is sealed except the 823. I don't think any brands other than MB, TWSBI and Dupont make it obvious to notice if a pen has been opened.

Same with good mechanical keyboards. E.g. all Leopolds are sent to EU and US retailers without stickers.


> Around 1/5 of the items I buy online have been opened and used, or have some defects.

yeah. for some items, i've tried to avoid this phenomenon by ordering from, say, homedepot.com, or Lowes.com, but then it seems like they sometimes just send me items with damaged or blemished boxes, or opened product, which they couldn't sell in the brick and mortar retail stores.


Don’t see why that’s a bad thing, the less time I spend browsing amazon and reading reviews to find a suitable product the better. As long as people are consistently happy with the things they get they only have reason to rejoice.

Could I get something cheaper if I spend time looking for it? Maybe, but the time I spend looking is also money down the drain, for what usually amounts to savings of a couple dollars and cents. Rarely worth it.


I see two problems. First, the Amazon rating system is untrustworthy. There is simply far too much counterfeit reviewing and far too little done about it. This is a systemic problem that just needs to be fixed for the platform as a whole.

The more nuanced problem, I think, is the fact that it can create a feedback loop. Something can be popular simply because it's cheap, but "Amazon's Choice" implies quality, which makes people think they're getting a deal because it's also cheap. What sprung to mind for me was LockpickingLawyer's[1] series on Amazon's Choice for things like "padlock", lock, and safe, all of which were of fairly low quality, or at least lower quality than "Amazon's Choice" would suggest.

The problem is that, most of the time, people aren't going to know that what they have is low quality because it will almost never get tested and most people don't know anything about lock security. So they trust Amazon to tell them, when really it's the blind leading the blind

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ

[2]: https://youtu.be/kJ1_P5oqf6Y


I agree with the spirit of your comment, but I think padlocks is a bad example.

The "quality" of a padlock genuinely does not matter. You should know this if you watch LPL! An experienced picker can get into any lock. And a determined but less dexterous enemy can trivially cut any lock you paid less that $100 for. And even then it won't take someone with the right tool more than a minute or two to cut through any padlock.

It's the same way with bike locks, or really any lock. They are a deterrent against the unwashed masses, but they never actually stop a determined actor.


they never actually stop a determined actor.

And that is never actually the point. Most theft is not personally targeted. Sure there are the times that someone cuts a hole through a storage unit into a neighboring unit they know has expensive stuff, but mostly it's opportunistic. If you have a weaker lock, you have greater risk. Especially if your lock is so weak that it is trivial to make it look like it wasn't broken until you try to open it.

This happened to me once. I bought my lock from the storage company, but someone broke and then visibly reassembled the lock. Lost all the early prototypes from my startup, plus thousands in replaceable equipment.


> If you have a weaker lock, you have greater risk.

I think this is only true in limited circumstances. Someone went to the storage facility with the intention of stealing, and had the opportunity to window shop for the weakest looking lock.


Yeah, I suspect the core motivation is to combat paradox of choice. Doing so is in the best interest of both the customer and Amazon.

Yup. There was a famous memo from Jeff that went round years ago that read something like "I want to buy a kettle. I search for 'kettle' and I get thousands of products. That sucks - now I have to comparison shop for kettles, when I don't particularly care what sort of kettle I get. Why can't Amazon just tell me 'buy this one'?"

Amazon's choice arrived years after my tenure at the big A, and I'm not sure it's directly connected, but it definitely helps solve this problem.


That's a blindfold, not a solution.

If I told a personal assistant "I want any kettle", they would know there's an implied <among buy-it-for-life high-quality stainless steel in America with a non-garish finish>.

They would also know me well enough to provide options when it's a non-commodity context, ie pressure cookers where the same implied values hold but I want to actually made the feature tradeoffs as a poweruser.

YouTube went down then global optimization path, and the experience was terrible...


Right, this makes sense to me. If you can cut down on customers' needs to make a decision, you'll increase the likelihood that someone makes a purchase. Building consumer trust by recommending actually good products is in Amazon's interest here

Amazon's Choice in the context that Amazon is other customers here, makes sense. Amazon Customers' Choice essentially.

no, most users are still probably under the impression that "amazon's choice" means more than an automatic algorithmically derived badge. the wording implies a conscious decision was made, but there was none

it would be better phrased as what it truly is: a badge that says "popular item" or similar. even "shopper's choice". the intent of the badge is to sell (as the article states, combat the paradox of choice)


I read this faster than it took Wired to render the text on their article’s page, and I think your comment is more info-dense.

Although the ads & graphics were loaded, with the text highlights in place it looked like a weird redacted document.


Thank you for your input. Do you a blog or provide information for buyers to better find your clients wares?

What does PPM mean in this context?

Net Pure Product Margin after cost of goods sold and various agreed services such as damage allowance are deducted.

Pure profit margin (otherwise known as net profit margin)

If you don't mind me asking: what does an Amazon consultancy mean / do?

Amazon Consultants understand brand economics and translating those into Amazon retail economics.

By the time brands are talking to us, they already have products developed OR are actively launching them every year.

I am a software developer/eCommerce marketing guy, so I understand SEO and all the different levers that Amazon offers to get sales momentum moving faster and faster.

Our target market are the large brands, where sales to Amazon is still a rather small portion of their total GMV sales. Them hiring a sales consultant is better ROI (results / investment) than hiring an employee/team full-time internally.


I bet the help their customers to position their products to rank better in Amazon search engine and how to sell more.

Recently when we were deciding among a couple vitamins to buy on Amazon we noticed that the "Amazon's Choice" label got moved from one product to another during a screen refresh. We thought that was strange and were curious how they determining the labeling.

i would be interested in seeing that, because I do consulting for suppliers selling to Amazon and rarely see flucuations like that on badges.

I haven't noticed that, but the labels definitely move around with very similar searches.

I sell a product on Amazon and have seen it be AC one day, not the next day, and then two days later, back to AC. Return rate and star rating were constant throughout the period, so I'm at a loss for how this "choice" is bestowed.

A factor may be availability and not wanting to overload a choice.

Let's say you are way down in list, and pop up to be the Amazon Choice. That drives real sales increases. They might look at how many in warehouse local to you. Persons A, B, C put in cart - they slow rate at which AC shows up until they get a sense of whether all those will become sales or some will expire from cart etc.

Amazon has some places that feel like they have softer consistency guarantees. Ie, something shows up, but with some time passing things like price might change even while in your cart etc.


Those things remind me of when I'm at a home hardware store.

They'll have a sale on say multi bit screwdrivers on the end cap. It will look like a fancy screwdriver that is on sale with lots of features and bits.

Inevitably if I by these ... they suck and are actually expensive for the quality and often have "features" that get in the way (some sort of fancy grip, more bits).

If I go down the isle I'll find for far less a simple multi bit screwdriver that is both cheaper, and higher quality.

Accordingly I never trust these signs / actually avoid them as the same rule apply to cooking tools and so many other things.


Note that Amazon says that Amazon's Choice products are "Amazon's Choice recommends highly rated, well-priced products available to ship immediately." so that would go against the idea that these products are junky or expensive.

That could work if Amazon started fixing reviews but for now most reviews are spam. All the China products have raving reviews.

Why don't they only let you review items that you have purchased using the same account? Too simple I guess.

The idea is that people may have bought it somewhere other than Amazon and to let them post a review. Amazon does distinguish between “verified purchase”s and not

They do highlight reviews from users who actually purchased the item. That's why there's a thriving business in free products in exchange for good reviews.

Giving away a few hundred or thousand items can lead to huge sales numbers.


If Amazon is being honest.

Manufacturers often pay stores for space on the end cap. http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/retail/raleys.php

As far as I know, "Amazon's choice" is not an advertisement/suppliers can't bid to be Amazon's choice.


Not directly, but if it's based on things like purchase volume and reviews, it can certainly be gamed by paid actors.

those end-cap spots are usually paid placements as well.

Lots of people assume end caps are on sale, but they usually never are, its just stuff that the store wants to sell to you really badly, which usually means high margins (because of crap quality, or overpricing), or the brand is paying them for the privilege.

If you know the store you can usually tell. Low quality end caps don’t sell and end up as dumping grounds for stuff that needs to go.

Also stale inventory they want to move.

IDK, I bought an Amazon Choice rice cooker and I'm pretty happy with it.

Would have usually gotten a cheap one and have it break sooner rather than later but this thing is going strong so far.


I don't doubt they could be reasonable products, but stuff like a rice cooker or say crock pot isn't usually a product that has a lot of breakage... well shouldn't.

If I were an evil decision maker at Amazon, I would have the algorithm pick products that are well rated with low return rate, but have high inventory that doesn't clear fast enough. Easy way to free up space in the warehouse. Because why call out actual crowd favorites if they are already "organically" selling well?

My friend works at a liquor store. His boss one day told him to label the poorly-selling wines as "Staff Picks". So your fear isn't exactly unfounded :P

I guess that isn't wrong, your boss is part of the staff and they have "picked" the poorly selling wines to highlight. It didn't say "Staff Recommended" or "Staff Favorites"

I think the average shopper would interpret "Staff Picks" as meaning "wine that the staff recommends" instead of "wine the store is hoping to sell." It's disingenuous at best.

For the record, my friend initially refused, and then compromised by labeling them "[Manager name]'s Picks".


How is that evil?

Because it dresses up fully for profit-motives as pro-customer?

I look only at the negative reviews. You can trust them to highlight the weak points of a product. So I know at least what would be the "worst" case scenario and if that works for me I buy it.

I prefer to 2 to 4 star reviews. Too many of the 1 star reviews are people who received a defective product or had other unique issues that I'm unlikely to encounter.

Unfortunately they're not safe either. Competitors in a niche will hire sock puppet accounts to negative review each other.

This is why I always look at the two star reviews :) One star reviews are too often indeed sockpuppetery, PEBKAC and such.

If you want to actually be clever then the only option is to sample all of the information available.

Limiting oneself to a subset of information is not how one makes an informed decision.


Reading every possible review of a product I'm considering sounds far less clever than a simple heuristic to me.

Pay attention to my words. I said to sample all of the data.

I didn't say anything about reading every possible review. But you do need a good, rounded sample.


All of the available information includes information about which information is safe to ignore.

Which is why I said you're supposed to sample all of the available data. I'm not sure you understand what "sample" means.

Do you not think they would have caught on to this?

Too much effort. So no, I don't think so.

It's not too much effort to pay someone a third-world salary to do whatever you want.

When buying a product I look for the reviews about it breaking. Once I know all the common ways the product might break I have a bit of an idea how long it will last. I can then also look up how much the replacement parts for the most likely to break parts cost as well as how hard they are to replace.

In my experience a lot of products have a single design flaw that causes almost all of the breakages excluding drops/water damage. I had a set of skullcandy headphones that the little arm thing on the ear part would snap just from the force of putting them on and taking them off too many times. Got a replacement and it happened again. Checked reddit and saw everyone has this same problem. Ended up getting the store to exchange them for a different pair.


This is something I do too. Recently, I stumbled upon a product where this was exploited. It read something like that: "Are you like me and read the negative reviews first? If that is the case I have to tell you that this product is really great!..."

My approach is to only look at the reviews with photos. That's usually a good way to find high-quality, detailed reviews. Just click in the customer photos section and you can scroll through the reviews.

This is purely anecdotal, but I've noticed recently a trend of reviews that start with "I was sent this product for free in exchange for an honest review..." and they almost always include photos. True, these are easy enough to skim over, but people planting fake reviews could also be getting smarter and making their reviews seem real by including pictures.

They're not necessarily fake, but they may be incentivised. I've had offers of a £5 voucher for a photo review or £10 for a video (the product was a £15 solar panel). No idea what happens if you slate the product, but amazon would probably refund you if it was that bad.

Sellers are well aware how much of a boost a photo or video from a verified purchase can give.


Why not just use fakespot or the like?

It bothers me because the term pretty strongly implies that a "choice" involves a human doing the choosing. When I first saw it, I'd hoped it was a sign that Amazon was going to be investing time in curating their junkyard swapmeet of a store. Not so much.

I think an interesting point to keep an eye on is recommendations with negative side effects, e.g. amazons choice for a high security lock has a terrible flaw. https://youtu.be/kJ1_P5oqf6Y

Lockpick lawyer (not embarrassed to say my fav youtube channel) has some choice words for amazon choice locks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ/sea...

Some of them are very specific. For example, the eufy RoboVac 11S is currently "Amazon's Choice" for "eufy robovac 11s".

TLDR; looks like none of what I thought "Amazon Choice" meant is true. This is what I thought: (1) they had verified seller through some background checks, (2) made sure the seller was selling genuine brands/product, and (3) the product was the best selling among such verified products.

It's so people don't have to choose so Amazon is literally choosing for you.

I've picked Amazon's Choice a couple times because I gave up trying to research what would actually be the right product for me.


> Searching for “Goyard,” a French company whose bags usually retail for thousands of dollars, often displays a $25 knockoff as Amazon’s Choice.

Wow, this sounds like lawsuit material.

It's one thing to unwittingly carry counterfeit products. It's another thing entirely to actually endorse one.


In Ye Olde Dayes, these sorts of promotional considerations were paid for by the manufacturer. When Amazon was still mainly selling books, 'coop' funds paid for favorable placement on the intro pages for genre sections (the same way bookstores arrange endcaps and window displays).

But it sounds like this has been replaced with a system that doesn't require any sort of human input.


> But it sounds like this has been replaced with a system that doesn't require any sort of human input.

They should rename it "Our Insane Algorithm's Choice."


I don't know but I gravitate toward them and haven't regretted it yet.

Amazon is just a mess. Search for "apple watch charger cable". Among the results is one "Amazon's Choice", this one by ATETION [1], sold by ZDAGO and fulfilled by Amazon, with Prime shipping. Amazingly, all the reviews in the listing seem to actually be reviews for an Apple watch charger cable, which is a rarity for that category. Almost every other third party cable listing is rife with reviews and questions for other products.

So, in this case, the "Amazon's Choice" label seems to be very useful--it is marking pretty much the only third party Apple watch charger cable on Amazon that doesn't show obvious signs of being sold be a scammer.

However, if like me before you go look at the search results you go over to the side and check the "Prime" box to refine the search to just listings with Prime shipping, the "Amazon's Choice" ATETION listing from ZDAGO goes away! This makes no sense.

The results still do contain what appears to be the same ATETION cable (at least the specs are the same) [2], except now it is sold be WEIZY and fulfilled by Amazon, and is not an "Amazon's Choice", and is slightly cheaper. The WEIZY listing is a cesspool, like pretty much everything else in the category except the ZDAGO listing. It's full of questions and reviews that have nothing to do with the charger cable.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/ATETION-Charger-iWatch-Magnetic-Charg...

[2] https://www.amazon.com/ATETION-Charger-iWatch-Magnetic-Charg...


Cynic in me: it means a similar product is soon going to be offered as Amazon Basics, i.e. grab the original while you still can.

I have seen some really questionable products recommended by "Amazon's Choice." I have assumed that in addition to customer input, the choice is probably working against me (recommending things with higher margins, items that Amazon needs to get rid of, or kickbacks themselves).

TL;DR: “How does Amazon choose its choices? Do humans have a hand in the decisions, or are they governed by an algorithm? The company won’t say.”

...followed by theories.


Well, also some information on what happens when you change the keywords in the search.

"toothpaste" and "best toothpaste" return different results; which is interesting.

Also, it mentions that, unsurprisingly, there are external companies attempting to reverse engineer the algorithm.


That the company won't say that it's hand-curated, with the observations that the article makes, seems to suggest that automation is being used to some degree. Which wasn't obvious to me as a customer.

I always assumed it was just a top seller for rough search term (i.e. algorithmic, but simplistic).

Yes, it's the #1 search term by their algorithm, with some badging to psyochologically nudge you toward confidence to buy. It's conceptually no different from a floor salesman telling you that whatever item you are currently looking at is the best choice.

It's similar to how almost every Amazon product is a "best seller" in an extremely narrow category.


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This seems like an obvious theory, but its not backed by any data. We have seen products with choice badge that are negative margin.

They could be getting a rebate, either on that product or across the range.

I mean, it is Amazon's choice after all.

Definitely not true. I have about a dozen choice badges which come and go and it's definitely not related to margin.

Presumably it's like any other store, products with slight defects ("it was on offer, not worth returning"), excess products taking up warehouse space, old versions, highest profit item in a class, paid promotions.

Why would Amazon do it differently, they clearly don't care about product quality; how else would they use the badge?


> Presumably it's like any other store, products with slight defects

What you are describing sounds like "clearance" which is a pretty upfront designation (this didn't sell very well, it's here at a discount before we chuck it).

But I think the message that "Amazon's Choice" is intended to convey is "this product meets certain quality and value standards and is unlikely to disappoint you."

Of course, in practice, they could apply it in order to clear inventory. But with FBA, the inventory carrying cost isn't primarily theirs.


That would be burning Amazon's reputation for dubious short-term gain. If they're thinking about the longer term, it would make more sense to play it straight: make the Amazon's Choice recommendations as honest as possible, and seriously try to help their customers find good products.



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