Big Army: You may be thinking, "But Big Army, we can't take advantage of the full range of the existing, completely lethal, 500m + 5.56 ammunition our existing rifles use, surely we don't need longer range ammo." But that's where your wrong! Dead wrong! Nevermind that the average
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soldier cannot hit a static target at 500m, let alone a moving target, what we need is a cartridge that can reach out and kill a man at 1,000 m. A caliber we presently have absolutely NOTHING chambered in, required a complete overhaul of our exiting arsenal, logistical chains,
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ability to share ammunition and weapons chains with our NATO partners, and which offers no real benefits over existing weapons, at a cost of billions of dollars!" I swear this scenario gets repeated every 15-20 years since the advent of the bolt action rifle. Senior leaders get
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obsessed with the idea of longer range rifles, convinced that, despite ALL EVIDENCE FOR THE LAST 150 YEARS, that most combat occurs during engagements under 200 meters, that what will REALLY increase lethality is for your basically trained rifleman to get a rifle that can
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SUBSTANTIALLY outperform his actual ability to use it. If you're going to pour a shit ton of money into developing this farther hitting rifle, necessary to penetrate the armor of the enemies we *checks notes* aren't facing and don't have a reasonable expectation to, then for the
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LOVE OF GOD, give the soldiers (and by extension Marines because it will invariably come to USMC next) the fucking training they need to take advantage of it. I don't what it is about range by itself that gives senior Army leadership such a fucking hardon, to the point they just
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consistently ignore that outside of their most highly trained troops, a) most combat DOES NOT OCCUR at extreme range and b) your basically trained Specialist out of Ft Benning DOESN'T GET the training to take advantage of the range offered by the rifle he ALREADY FUCKING HAS.
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But don't let that stop you Army. Full speed ahead on 6.8mm replacements for the M4 & M249. You've demonstrated a remarkable ability to fucking PISS AWAY taxpayer $ changing uniforms every few years, why not a few billion on guns we can't properly exploit? http://soldiersystems.net/2019/05/23/sofic-19-sig-sauer-exhibits-next-gen-squad-weapons/ …
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And make no mistake, the Marine Corps does dumb fucking shit like this all the time, I've got a whole bunch of hate in my heart for the EFV chicanery, it's just that this specific mugglefuck is 100% Army.
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And to be clear- I am a *fan* of changing when it makes sense, is practical and affordable, and actively improves a servicemember's ability to be lethal without substantially hampering them. So the army seeking a lighter weight machine gun is a positive step (albeit to my
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mind, not worth the price of replacing entire weapon systems). I applaud moves to improve existing systems, the move from iron sights to optics, etc etc. This ain't it though.
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Isn’t there a statistic which suggests that less than 1 in 500 rounds fired by an infantry trooper IN COMBAT actually hits the opposing forces at all? As you suggest, longer range just means you can also miss from further away...
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Longer range *increases* your capacity to miss, with a smaller target, and each additional foot of range magnifying the error if you're even a tiny bit off.
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This lesson was learned after WW1, then again after WW2, then again after the M-14 was a failure. If you need to kill something 1000m away, call in artillery or an airstrike or a helicopter or some of the many other options the most powerful military on earth has for you
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I’m intrigued by this. My first thought is, “Under what circumstances will a foot soldier have an unimpeded line of sight to an objective 1000m away?” Or even 800m?
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I see you're unfamiliar with the very combat situations that have prompted the rush for greater range, including the recent hasty deployment of the latest Carl Gustav model:https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15629/the-army-rushes-a-1000-recoilless-rifles-to-troops-but-whats-a-carl-gustaf-anyway …
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It's an overreaction to a niche problem that is not indicative of the vast majority of combat situations. So a completely normal Army response.
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Ouch. True, tho. We really should be looking at SHORAD options & better/more wide-spread ATGMs for infantry. I am curious if adoption of man-portable loitering munitions (like the Switchblade) & the ACERM in addition to the current Javelin deployment could fill the ATGM niche.
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I expect this from and fogey like you. But we *millenials and gen z* grew up on CoD and Halo. We can 360 no scope anything and everything.pic.twitter.com/tczwE391z1
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No but seriously great rant. Next time I have the opportunity to ask a senior a question here in Benning before I head to Bragg I'll be a smart ass and respectfully regurgitate your rant
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