Furry Fandom and Drama General -

[TheBigOne]

The first amendment does not protect "obscene" speech. The jury has to find it 'obscene' in order to find you guilty, but many states have laws regarding drawn porn of children. It only has to be found obscene. Which any juror would say child porn is. I suspect the only way you're going to be charged with this is if you're already suspected of being a potential/future threat towards children, whether it be furry cub or human child porn. I see it as something to add on to charges so that you serve a longer sentence.

"After grappling with the obscenity problem in many cases during the late 1950s and early 1960s, the Supreme Court laid out “basic guidelines” for jurors in obscenity cases in its 1973 decision Miller v. California. These include:

• Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
• Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law.
• Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value."

The federal PROTECT Act basically covers this if state laws don't. Was upheld in U.S. v. Schales, 546 F.3d 965 - 2008. You won't be charged with child porn but you'll still be imprisoned for violating this Act. It's basically a "I know it when I see it" thing... You have that niggling feeling when something is drawn with the intention of sparking arousal versus content that is trying to paint a statement... Bobby, that image of a crying cub being raped by a giant human isn't making a statement; it's fodder for you to jerk off to. Inkbunny members really tried to debate with me saying that their stash of cub porn wouldn't be seen as obscene lmfao. Let me catch my son with loli/shota/cub on their computer. Ain't no son of mine. Also inb4 Guest cub defenders swarm ("wE'Re nOT pEdoPHiLeS!!!!").

 

[Reynard]

Great. This honeypot again.

 

[Frogasm]

Thanks, that's a good answer and it makes sense.

 

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implying Japanese people won't think you're a weirdo as well

 

[EurocopterTigre]

implying Japanese people won't think you're a weirdo as well

Or maybe just don't draw cub porn, that seems like a much more sensible and pragmatic option. Are furries even really a thing in Japan?

 

[Catch Your Breath]

Or maybe just don't draw cub porn, that seems like a much more sensible and pragmatic option. Are furries even really a thing in Japan?

Actually, yes. There were a couple of furries from Tokyo visiting during RF15.

 

[Frogasm]

How does it not occur to this guy to just draw normal adult porn??
"Well my options are fleeing the country or just making new accounts and acting normal, looks like I need to learn a foreign language"

 

[Wehraboo]

They might think they'd fit right in in Japan though - there's a reason why that country attracts autistic weirdos. Too bad the Japanese are extremely xenophobic, so they'll never fit in no matter what.

 

[That Damned Tiger]

They might think they'd fit right in in Japan though - there's a reason why that country attracts autistic weirdos. Too bad the Japanese are extremely xenophobic, so they'll never fit in no matter what.

Plus, despite popular media, they're also very conservative. So pulling their weirdo behavior out in Japan will draw the biggest WTF looks from the locals.

 

[Marche]

Or maybe just don't draw cub porn, that seems like a much more sensible and pragmatic option. Are furries even really a thing in Japan?

Yes, Kemono is a culture of its own.

 

[Powerlevel22]

Or maybe just don't draw cub porn, that seems like a much more sensible and pragmatic option. Are furries even really a thing in Japan?

They’re a thing, but they also are too busy closing themselves in their rooms and not wanting to go out in public that it rarely gets spoken about. You know what Twitter is right? That’s where they let loose all their own side of freaky.

They might think they'd fit right in in Japan though - there's a reason why that country attracts autistic weirdos. Too bad the Japanese are extremely xenophobic, so they'll never fit in no matter what.

Maybe that’s why the Japanese are so xenophobic, because all the autistic exceptional individuals who want to get away with CP move over there and think that it’s daily life in Japan to be beating it to some kindly fiddling.

If that was the people my country attracted, I’d be all shades of xenophobic too probably.

 

[Judge Holden]

Uh oh....its spreading....

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1096221209010683904

Somebody tell the chinks they need a new concentration camp set up really goddamn fast

 

[GasAllGuestPosters]

Honest question for the furfags; how would you feel if your fetish lifestyle choice were pushed into the mainstream for consumption by normies as Vice et al. seem to be pushing for? Would you want normalfags showing up en masse in fursuits to your orgies conventions?

 

[Frogasm]

Honest question for the furfags; how would you feel if your fetish lifestyle choice were pushed into the mainstream for consumption by normies as Vice et al. seem to be pushing for? Would you want normalfags showing up en masse in fursuits to your orgies conventions?

it will, inevitably, get pushed further and further into the mainstream but i think it will really struggle because it is a fetish and because a lot of it is gay and most people are straight without this weird fetish.

It will go where it goes and im not worried. Normies may be a breath of fresh air in many ways. There are already many normies among furries, but more normies would be kind of nice. Normies tend to push the awkward people and the assholes to the sidelines.

Best of all, normies invading their hobbies absolutely and profoundly enrages lolcows of all types. if normies speed up how they are pouring into furry spaces, we will see an explosion of lolcow tears from every side. there will probably be dumb things that lolcows will whine about that none of us can even begin to imagine. there will be so much drama about gatekeeping. there will be drama about the products that people are buying and other things. it's gonna be great.

 

[That Damned Tiger]

Uh oh....its spreading....

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1096221209010683904

Somebody tell the chinks they need a new concentration camp set up really goddamn fast

That's probably a consequence of China's heavy-handed internet censorship. If they decided to look up how furries behaved in the rest of the world, they'd probably ban them.

it will, inevitably, get pushed further and further into the mainstream but i think it will really struggle because it is a fetish and because a lot of it is gay and most people are straight without this weird fetish.

It will go where it goes and im not worried. Normies may be a breath of fresh air in many ways. There are already many normies among furries, but more normies would be kind of nice. Normies tend to push the awkward people and the assholes to the sidelines.

Best of all, normies invading their hobbies absolutely and profoundly enrages lolcows of all types. if normies speed up how they are pouring into furry spaces, we will see an explosion of lolcow tears from every side. there will probably be dumb things that lolcows will whine about that none of us can even begin to imagine. there will be so much drama about gatekeeping. there will be drama about the products that people are buying and other things. it's gonna be great.

That's always the furry fandom. They'll complain about not being treated seriously and respectfully by normal people, only to go on complaining about how the normies look down upon their more deviant behavior once they decided to embrace the fandom just a bit. Which probably explains why 2 was only not invited to give his performance at Anthrocon while not being banned. Because "how dare you ask me to behave like an adult and not a pervert in public REEEEEEEE!!!"

 

[Frogasm]

That's always the furry fandom. They'll complain about not being treated seriously and respectfully by normal people, only to go on complaining about how the normies look down upon their more deviant behavior once they decided to embrace the fandom just a bit.

oh absolutely. but wait until the normies are the norm in the furry fandom. wait until some major companies start producing stuff that undercuts furry businesses. wait until someone tries to make a made for tv movie about two furries falling in love, but no one writing the movie actually knows anything about furries. wait for more news stories about christian moms being horrified that their kids are turning into furries.

regardless of how I feel about these things personally, they can and will enrage furries and that is a win for people like me who love to watch stupid drama.

 

[Stratovorious]

Honest question for the furfags; how would you feel if your fetish lifestyle choice were pushed into the mainstream for consumption by normies as Vice et al. seem to be pushing for? Would you want normalfags showing up en masse in fursuits to your orgies conventions?

I want to see the zoos, pedos, and rapists drawn and quartered. Or at least permanently removed from the community.

I want to see the remaining furries learn to get their fucking lives together while still keeping their weird hobby/fetish (it actually is different things to different people; to me, it's both).

Only when those two are done, can we even entertain the notion of mainstream acceptance.

 

[GayDemiBoy]

Uh oh....its spreading....

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1096221209010683904

Somebody tell the chinks they need a new concentration camp set up really goddamn fast

The man behind them know what's up. His horrified expression is perfectly captured here.

 

[EndocrineAgent]

The man behind them know what's up. His horrified expression is perfectly captured here.

Only dude I see in that picture that's not obscured or facing away from the camera is wearing paws and locking arms with one of them.

Am I missing someone?

oh absolutely. but wait until the normies are the norm in the furry fandom. wait until some major companies start producing stuff that undercuts furry businesses. wait until someone tries to make a made for tv movie about two furries falling in love, but no one writing the movie actually knows anything about furries. wait for more news stories about christian moms being horrified that their kids are turning into furries.

regardless of how I feel about these things personally, they can and will enrage furries and that is a win for people like me who love to watch stupid drama.

That's been happening for years, my dude.

A good chunk of the fandom are actually accomplished industry professionals. They just have a tendency to be less... lolcow material.

1973's Robin Hood and umpteen not-even-made-for-TV-films following it with anthropomorphized characters. All you need to do is look at the fave movie list of furfags and you'll find dozens. This has been ingrained into the culture of a lot of 20- to 30-somethings from seemingly innocuous movies and characters.

DHGate steals the designs of popular suits and remakes them with shitty quality. I don't know if it's been linked here yet, but Violent J (from Insane Clown Posse) called them out on it and then took his daughter to a furry convention last year, both with their own custom-made suits.

I don't have any sauce links on the last piece, with actual news stories of parents complaining about their kids becoming furries, but people are already asking this question seriously (literally 30 seconds of Google effort).

EDIT: Yup, the Violent J stuff has been posted here a few times in the last year.

 

[Frogasm]

I know, I know it's already happening, but it's not happening on the scale that I want to see

The furry movies like Robin Hood, Balto, and Lion King are movies that the furries like though, movies made for both normies and furries. I'm talking about making movies about furries for normies to enjoy that furries will hate. A furry movie to really fucking piss furries off. The normie-furry equivalent of a straight man writing and directing lesbian porn when he he doesn't know where the clitoris is. It's bound to happen if furry becomes more mainstream.

Business stuff like making shitty knock off fursuits is niche and relatively rare. It's just enough to be a problem, not big enough to totally disrupt business among furries. I'm imagining something of a much much much larger scale.

Same with complaining parents. What's happening right now is not enough to be entertaining on the level I am hoping for. The parent stuff now is just not enough. I probably won't be satisfied until there are normies outside of furry conventions protesting something or other. Imagine Westboro Baptist Church types protesting furcons.