James Christopher Hoyt / Sangie/Sanguine Nativus / DJ Toboe / Tobyredwolf - Creator of InkedFur, convicted pedophile, partner-in-crime to Levi Simmons/SnakeThing

[Frogasm]

When was it that it became common knowledge that he molested kids? im in awe of all these people who worked with him before and wondering if they really couldn't have known or if they failed to do their due dilligence

 

[HeraldofNurgle]

When was it that it became common knowledge that he molested kids? im in awe of all these people who worked with him before and wondering if they really couldn't have known or if they failed to do their due dilligence

Most likely Sangie kept it under wraps from the normies. His record has been buried so unless you were actively looking for it, it would be difficult to find. However, he's into cub. And anyone into cub usually turns out to be a raging pedophile. So it's a general rule of thumb to avoid anyone into cub for your own safety.

I also doubt Inkedfur is going to survive for much longer. You still got the people that don't care and will continue to sell through them, but they can't make enough in the end to keep the business running. And Sangie is going to get taken to the cleaners if people decide to sue him, especially for making new stock from artists that left and selling it without them knowing.

Sangie is enough of a piss baby to assume that people leave his shitty site because they were bribed, not because him and his company are fucking awful and nobody wants to deal with them.

 

[TheWatchfulFurfag]

Most likely Sangie kept it under wraps from the normies. His record has been buried so unless you were actively looking for it, it would be difficult to find. However, he's into cub. And anyone into cub usually turns out to be a raging pedophile. So it's a general rule of thumb to avoid anyone into cub for your own safety.

I also doubt Inkedfur is going to survive for much longer. You still got the people that don't care and will continue to sell through them, but they can't make enough in the end to keep the business running. And Sangie is going to get taken to the cleaners if people decide to sue him, especially for making new stock from artists that left and selling it without them knowing.

Sangie is enough of a piss baby to assume that people leave his shitty site because they were bribed, not because him and his company are fucking awful and nobody wants to deal with them.

I'd say Sangie's peado past is just an open secret. All the artists I know certainly knew, and they don't do business with him for it.

 

[Frogasm]

id never bought prints or really known anything about the artists he worked with so I'd never known about Sangie--but if I was going to consider dealing with him I know I would have wanted to look into him.

the fact that he was into cub and people still chose to work with him is insane

I'd say Sangie's peado past is just an open secret. All the artists I know certainly knew, and they don't do business with him for it.

i wont ask you to reveal your sources, but could you give an idea of about how many people you know knew and how "big" they were in furry?

 

[AnOminous]

And Sangie is going to get taken to the cleaners if people decide to sue him, especially for making new stock from artists that left and selling it without them knowing.

If there's any money there at all () that is exactly what would happen. Stealing art in this way is the kind of shit that triggers statutory damages, and that means without even proving any loss you can collect up to $150,000 per infringement. Using fake contracts people didn't actually sign makes that kind of high end damages very likely.

 

[HeraldofNurgle]

If there's any money there at all () that is exactly what would happen. Stealing art in this way is the kind of shit that triggers statutory damages, and that means without even proving any loss you can collect up to $150,000 per infringement. Using fake contracts people didn't actually sign makes that kind of high end damages very likely.

Pretty Much, especially since they refuse to issue stock numbers to people leaving, so they can just keep printing and selling while claiming it was back stock. Artists leaving are able to buy up any prints in stock, but rarely do they ever get a correct number. Either they inflate the number to get more money out of the leaving artist, or just never reply. Never replying is actually pretty common for inked fur. People have put in tickets and taking weeks or even months for someone to get back to them.

I don't know if there's enough people willing to sue or not, but I would just be happy to see the business crash and burn. ESPECIALLY since cons keep letting him in to sell while the con is rated minor friendly. Anyone still working for the company should leave before they are dragged down in the burning ship with Sangie.

 

[Slapstick_Basterd]

Pretty Much, especially since they refuse to issue stock numbers to people leaving, so they can just keep printing and selling while claiming it was back stock. Artists leaving are able to buy up any prints in stock, but rarely do they ever get a correct number. Either they inflate the number to get more money out of the leaving artist, or just never reply. Never replying is actually pretty common for inked fur. People have put in tickets and taking weeks or even months for someone to get back to them.

I don't know if there's enough people willing to sue or not, but I would just be happy to see the business crash and burn. ESPECIALLY since cons keep letting him in to sell while the con is rated minor friendly. Anyone still working for the company should leave before they are dragged down in the burning ship with Sangie.

It also needs to be kept in mind that, dependent upon any kind of suit being made against him and his business, arguments could be made that make not only James and InkedFur the targets for damages and breach of legal business practices, but cons that host him and his services as well could be named in a lawsuit as liable as well, and potentially responsible for fines or additional compensation to the plaintiff(s) due to illegal/irresponsible practices and hosting.

It's unlikely, but a potentiality, dependent on the suit and how it is argued. If an artist, or group of them, were to take such action, it could spell quite financially disastrous effects for several major furry conventions.

 

[mASSive dONg]

It also needs to be kept in mind that, dependent upon any kind of suit being made against him and his business, arguments could be made that make not only James and InkedFur the targets for damages and breach of legal business practices, but cons that host him and his services as well could be named in a lawsuit as liable as well, and potentially responsible for fines or additional compensation to the plaintiff(s) due to illegal/irresponsible practices and hosting.

It's unlikely, but a potentiality, dependent on the suit and how it is argued. If an artist, or group of them, were to take such action, it could spell quite financially disastrous effects for several major furry conventions.

Are you implying that this is a bad thing? This grimy bastard is happily hosted by conventions and said conventions ignore the waves of backlash. Any repercussions that are inflicted on cons are much fucking deserved - they know their wrongdoing.

 

[HeraldofNurgle]

Agreed. These are cons that were begged by people to ban folks like Sangie and Growly and they refused. They deserve to be bankrupt since they kept holding money over the safety of their con attendees. We're already seeing furries old enough now to have kids refuse to take them to cons because they know of the sick shit going on behind the scenes and the predators allowed to vend there. It's either death now by bankruptcy or the slow death of dropping attendance rates. It's a wonder people don't contact the hotels directly hosting the cons and telling them about convicted pedophiles running around.

I'm not too knowledgeable on law, but would the hotels be responsible too for hosting the con itself?

 

[Connectingdotsanddogs]

Agreed. These are cons that were begged by people to ban folks like Sangie and Growly and they refused. They deserve to be bankrupt since they kept holding money over the safety of their con attendees. We're already seeing furries old enough now to have kids refuse to take them to cons because they know of the sick shit going on behind the scenes and the predators allowed to vend there. It's either death now by bankruptcy or the slow death of dropping attendance rates. It's a wonder people don't contact the hotels directly hosting the cons and telling them about convicted pedophiles running around.

I'm not too knowledgeable on law, but would the hotels be responsible too for hosting the con itself?

Likely be to far removed. They don't handle information in the same way conventions do as the convention is an organised meet of loads of connected people so recuring problems can be tracked and logged

Loads of random people like hotels deal with don't involve all the same database fields or cater for kids specifically say (cons have events for minors for example hotels allow kids to stay but supervision is still required and not sure you can even book a hotel under 18 in a lot of places)

 

[Slapstick_Basterd]

Are you implying that this is a bad thing? This grimy bastard is happily hosted by conventions and said conventions ignore the waves of backlash. Any repercussions that are inflicted on cons are much fucking deserved - they know their wrongdoing.

Of course I'm not implying that it's a bad thing. Merely providing a clarification to the topic.

My personal opinion would be that most, if not all, of these conventions of degenerates, would be provide a greater service to society as a whole by being put six feet under.

 

[mASSive dONg]

Of course I'm not implying that it's a bad thing. Merely providing a clarification to the topic.

My personal opinion would be that most, if not all, of these conventions of degenerates, would be provide a greater service to society as a whole by being put six feet under.

Indeed. I do believe we shoud all be doing work to ensure this kinda shit happens: Authorities should be made aware, venues should be warned and attendees informed and urged. I don't care how innocent some furries are, some of these conventions are a disgrace and shouldn't be allowed to continue.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Agreed. These are cons that were begged by people to ban folks like Sangie and Growly and they refused. They deserve to be bankrupt since they kept holding money over the safety of their con attendees. We're already seeing furries old enough now to have kids refuse to take them to cons because they know of the sick shit going on behind the scenes and the predators allowed to vend there. It's either death now by bankruptcy or the slow death of dropping attendance rates. It's a wonder people don't contact the hotels directly hosting the cons and telling them about convicted pedophiles running around.

I'm not too knowledgeable on law, but would the hotels be responsible too for hosting the con itself?

Even if cons were to bury their head in the sand at all of the issues with people like Sangie or Growly showing up to cons, there are a lot of naive newfags with no knowledge of the fandom who will happily show up to cons regardless. I've heard word Growly has been banned from a few cons already, but that's also because they have nothing to gain keeping him there. Sangie on the other hand runs a furry printing business, and I think this tweet I found pretty much sums up what I've been saying this whole thread:

⛈️🐉Teryx on Twitter: "I think it'd be good if you could give us a ru…

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Since Sangie runs a business (InkedFur), there are furries who will keep using it because quite frankly the only thing they can care about is "does this person provide a service". Another artist did mention Paw To Press which I've seen used by furries burnt by InkedFur.

 

[HeraldofNurgle]

From what I can glance at Paw to Press is run by an older married couple that run a small printing business. Digging them up doesn't reveal any drama or red flags, so they /seem/ okay for now. You never know what people are hiding like always.

Sangie has been accusing people that jumped to Paw to Press of being bribed by the owners with 1000 dollars to switch. Idk about you but most small businesses don't have 1000 lying around for bribery. He's just salty because there's an alternative print business and people are choosing to go because Sangie thinks he has the monopoly on all things furry prints.

 

[TheWatchfulFurfag]

From what I can glance at Paw to Press is run by an older married couple that run a small printing business. Digging them up doesn't reveal any drama or red flags, so they /seem/ okay for now. You never know what people are hiding like always.

Sangie has been accusing people that jumped to Paw to Press of being bribed by the owners with 1000 dollars to switch. Idk about you but most small businesses don't have 1000 lying around for bribery. He's just salty because there's an alternative print business and people are choosing to go because Sangie thinks he has the monopoly on all things furry prints.

I know for a fact artists check the farms for updates on fandom figs, And I do say the best way to show displeasure at sangie being a piece of shit is to vote with your feet and wallet and get the hell away from him and his business.

He's a twice convicted child molester, and the zoosadist leaks have shown him back to his old child grooming tricks. I have even heard on the grapevine that he might soon be a thrice convicted paedo. Get the fuck away from him before it's too late.

 

[mASSive dONg]

Even if cons were to bury their head in the sand at all of the issues with people like Sangie or Growly showing up to cons, there are a lot of naive newfags with no knowledge of the fandom who will happily show up to cons regardless. I've heard word Growly has been banned from a few cons already, but that's also because they have nothing to gain keeping him there. Sangie on the other hand runs a furry printing business, and I think this tweet I found pretty much sums up what I've been saying this whole thread:
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⛈️🐉Teryx on Twitter: "I think it'd be good if you could give us a ru…

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Since Sangie runs a business (InkedFur), there are furries who will keep using it because quite frankly the only thing they can care about is "does this person provide a service". Another artist did mention Paw To Press which I've seen used by furries burnt by InkedFur.

That seems to be the case with a lot of dodgy furry businesses: they provide a unique or widely available service, so for many it's that or nothing.

Bad Dragon is a very good example. Founded by zoophiliacs for zoophiliacs on a bestiality forum, allegedly funded by money laundering and cocaine smuggling, tonnes of reports of art theft, copyright breaching, sexism in the workplace as well as a dodgy contract between them, FedEx and UPS that gives them (BD) reduced shipping cost - ironic considering what they charge, even withn the US - in exchange for never using USPS (which is argued by many people I know to be superior by miles) again during the contract. That last one is especially interesting, because Bad Dragon apparently makes millions; they give away thousands worth in stock to adult models in marketing schemes multiple times a year and yet a few bucks lost in unavoidable shipping problems hurt them.

Despite all this, it offers what can be debated as some of the most adventurous and highest quality fantasy sex toys one can find, along with irresistable personalisation. Furries love that shit so suck up to that retched company. Same case with InkedFur.

 

[Frogasm]

"why won't you support an inkedfur artist"
BECAUSE YOU GIVE MONEY TO A PEDOPHILE

 

[CIA Nigger]

That seems to be the case with a lot of dodgy furry businesses: they provide a unique or widely available service, so for many it's that or nothing.

Bad Dragon is a very good example. Founded by zoophiliacs for zoophiliacs on a bestiality forum, allegedly funded by money laundering and cocaine smuggling, tonnes of reports of art theft, copyright breaching, sexism in the workplace as well as a dodgy contract between them, FedEx and UPS that gives them (BD) reduced shipping cost - ironic considering what they charge, even withn the US - in exchange for never using USPS (which is argued by many people I know to be superior by miles) again during the contract. That last one is especially interesting, because Bad Dragon apparently makes millions; they give away thousands worth in stock to adult models in marketing schemes multiple times a year and yet a few bucks lost in unavoidable shipping problems hurt them.

Despite all this, it offers what can be debated as some of the most adventurous and highest quality fantasy sex toys one can find, along with irresistable personalisation. Furries love that shit so suck up to that retched company. Same case with InkedFur.

There's one core difference between Bad Dragon and this though. Bad Dragon's still around because they've gotten to the point where they're such a household name that their brand name comes to mind when one thinks of "dragon dildo". Hell even as early as 2009 people were making Bad Dragon jokes. Bad Dragon's marketing was also highly effective among furries and their popularity led to numerous other dildo companies copying the basic idea along with even Aliexpress sellers making animal shaped dildos (the same applies with fursuits, another popular item in the fandom as well). This is reinforced by the fact that an anti Bad Dragon website by furries even lists numerous alternatives. Varka and Bad Dragon have also made enough money and have enough clout to have taken over several furry websites when the original owners wanted out.

Inkedfur on the other hand never had the same amount of clout Bad Dragon did, nor were they remotely as apt about covering their tracks. Unless there is an FBI raid or something on Bad Dragon's offices or furries all suddenly switch over to buying other brands of dildos their business isn't under threat. Inkedfur on the other hand is facing a real threat of artists dumping them, one artists have gone through with multiple times. Sangie also had a now expunged criminal record, but there are mugshots online that show he was in fact busted.

 

[goldengirl]

Indeed. I do believe we shoud all be doing work to ensure this kinda shit happens: Authorities should be made aware, venues should be warned and attendees informed and urged. I don't care how innocent some furries are, some of these conventions are a disgrace and shouldn't be allowed to continue.

Bitching on a forum isn't accomplishing much, if you're serious then look into this.

After Sangie was outed in the Zoosadist leaks in 2018 he was vendor at Midwest Furfest and a small con in San Jose CA called Pawcon.

Midwest Furfest:

https://twitter.com/WhistleBlowrdog/status/1069416935631319040

http://archive.li/WyvvA

Pawcon twitter:

https://twitter.com/pacanthro

http://archive.li/WfKHp

Inkedfur at Pawcon:

https://twitter.com/pacanthro/status/1055270562241466369/photo/1

http://archive.li/v2Lmg

Pawcon not only hosted Sangie but got complaints for having Growly on staff.

On staff:

https://twitter.com/MuffleTheFox/status/796776790001754113

http://archive.li/1V3PM

Complaint:

https://twitter.com/ItsCeasie/status/1063239457212526593

http://archive.li/a8lJ3

Pawcon is led by a techie furry who faves pedophilia and zoophilia on F-list.

Twitter:

https://twitter.com/laveur

http://archive.li/cu70w

Resume:

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www.moltenvisuals.com

http://archive.li/ozRgR

AD Twitter:

https://twitter.com/ewaste_panda

http://archive.li/UiUtE

F-List:

F-list - Warning

www.f-list.net

won't archive, screen attached

Fur Affinity:

Userpage of laveur -- Fur Affinity [dot] net

Fur Affinity is the internet's largest online gallery for furry, anthro, dragon, brony art work and more!

www.furaffinity.net

http://archive.li/2gyne

Inkbunny, cub porn visible after login:

laveur < Profile | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

31y/o WuffCoon from the Bay Area. All sorts of naughty so feel free to message me ;)

inkbunny.net

http://archive.li/98R7H

Pawcon is named in the zoosadist chat leaks from Tane, another techie furry in Silicon Valley. In the leaks the zoosadist Tane talks with SnakeThing about drugging and raping victims at cons.

Kiwi threads:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/nick-nickolas-spahn-digivolve-wuffbitch-tane.48157/

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/levi-dane-simmons-snakething-nelizar-nelizar_neli-buttne.48078/

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/zoosadism-megathread.47973/

Sangie doesn't show up with other Silicon Valley techie furries but Tane connects to Defcon Furs based in Silicon Valley. Lots of these types hang out with Varka of Bad Dragon at Burning Man.

Defcon furs Twitter:

https://twitter.com/DCFurs

http://archive.li/h098l

Article showing Tane:

At Def Con, No Furry Masks Allowed at the Casino

Foiled by furries

motherboard.vice.com

http://archive.li/WVA3G

Tweet names Tane:

https://twitter.com/KaridasOnMane/status/1079158790329532416

http://archive.li/sS0Q5

These connections fly under the radar but there are even more if you dig.