Hello there,
Just wanted to chime in and state that some posts have been removed here. It's completely fine to discuss the topic and issue at hand. This is evident with the fact there's still countless of posts on this thread that basically call out people's issues with T&S and Discord. That's completely fine, if you don't agree with how they handle X or Y then I urge you to speak up and debate it here.
However links that reference twitter, articles, or any other source, that decides to go dig into a person's history, be they Discord employees or users, are not allowed as per R1 (Witch Hunting).
We'll continue to monitor this behaviour and I can't stress more that discussing and talking about the topic is completely fine as long as it doesn't contain that sort of targeted harassment (albeit unintentional when people just link it to "be updated") or witch hunting.
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Probably related to the furry cub nsfw debacle
I don't think Discord is a publicly traded company.
And they take visa & MasterCard for payments. I posted how to report in another post.
That's the fastest way to get their attention. It got a camsite shut down. Got a PSO site shut down.
Telling you, you wanna fix it, go for the money. Their day to day money. Investors don't care. But MC & Visa will yank their ability to process payments in a hearty beat
Do you know which specific processors handle Discord's credit payments? A search through their policies didn't return anything for the time being.
Doesn't matter if you go to visa & MasterCard. My guess is rocketgate, but just a guess.
Edit: they don't tell you in purpose bc it would make them more vulnerable. My best guess is rocketgate tho. There really is no way to find that out short of admin telling you.
However, if MC or Visa pull their ability to accept their payments, it puts them on a merchant black list. And it's damned near impossible to get a processor to accept them.
Happened to a crappy camsite I worked for. Now they're forced to use SegPay which literally does not care what you do. But you pay a much steeper processing fee. Camsite went to paying about a 5% processing fee per transaction to 11%
ok so bqsically
hey guys extremely bias furry mod here
we dont consjder furry cp as against our tos
Discord has a lot of trouble with shoplifting, and things that are real bad like child pornography, child grooming, pedophilia, bestiality, etc.
They also tend to not crack down on it too hard, so now they're being investigated by the fbi
Parroting what /u/MsKLttyKat said here, the payment processors don't mess with this type of stuff.
Here's how you contact paypal.
https://usa.visa.com/Forms/contact-us-form.html Visa Reporting
https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/get-support/report-problem-shopping.html Mastercard reporting
And report any CP/Cub/Whatever that gets shared here: https://report.cybertip.org
Thanks I took Ambien and can't write all that again. If you go straight to mc & visa you'll be good.
On my website on one of my blogs I have visa & mc info on how to complain. Someone tell me remind me code. Bc I'm fading fast and I'll forget. Work 24 hours +Ambien I've got 10 minutes left in me
Did some snooping on your blog, found this:
https://usa.visa.com/Forms/visa-rules.html Visa Reporting
https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/get-support/report-problem-shopping.html Mastercard reporting
and stay safe! haha
Thank you 😘
That Ambien man... I needed that sleep... And thank you. A company I worked for allowed bestiality & prostitution to be paid for through the site. And presumably still does.
Lost his payment processing bc a guy's wife complained to Visa.
That's where the power is. The money.
I'm sure CyberTip will be thrilled to have their inboxes flooded with drawings you don't like instead of actual child abuse that they can help prevent.
Yeah, flooding these instances with shit that doesn't matter, meaning they have less resources to go after the real criminals sure is the best option here.
It's sad to see so many people not being able to separate reality from fantasy/fiction.
Investors, like the people who pay for Nitro or what?
I don't recall Discord being on the stock market.
Discord is funded by venture capital and possibly has a board of directors that have a stake in the company. Companies don't have to be public to have share holders or investors.
I'm still sure they don't want a major FBI investigation leading to Discord's networks being shut down though.
Nothing will shut you down faster than a probe into serious unchecked criminal activity.
\\Good idea, Discord is a blistering fest of CP/Pedophilla content/underage servers. Maybe they need to open their eyes.
I've never understood the whole cub porn drama.
let me get a few things out of the way:
No, I'm not interested in cub porn at all, I just want the pointless drama to stop.
Rape is bad, child porn is bad, animal abuse is bad, I 110% agree with all of that.
I also agree that child porn in any form—real or fiction—should be illegal and bannable. Same for rape and animal abuse, but only in a real, non-fiction form. I don't like those in fiction either, but they shouldn't be outright banned for all of Discord.
I don't get why cub porn is such a big deal. I've seen rants on both sides, I've seen artists whose careers/reputation were ruined because someone called them out for drawing cub art.
Now I see a well-respected admin team getting attacked just because they don't want to auto-ban something just because people on the internet don't like it.
Something that was completely acceptable years ago, one day someone said "You like drawings of baby animals having sex? Isn't that basically child porn, rape, and animal abuse all at once?" and so began the witch-hunts. If you liked CP, the internet was going to rip you a new one for no reason.
We need to stop letting the internet overreact to something to the point where it's impossible to like it.
Whether the Discord admins are biased or not, they shouldn't ban stuff like this. They shouldn't have the power to globally ban anything. With the exception of things they are required by law to ban and report, such as child porn.
Leave the rest of the decisions to the server admins.
You don't like cub porn? Ban it in your server.
You don't like furry content in general? Ban it in your server.
Don't like Fortnite? Ban it in your server.
Don't own the server? Ask the server admins politely to ban it, restrict it to a certain channel, or require it to be tagged as a spoiler with a clear warning. If they refuse to do anything about it, leave the server or deal with it. You can also block the users who post it, you won't see their messages that way.
Nobody wants an authoritarian Discord. Servers can get away with that behavior because it's a small community of like-minded individuals, and anybody who doesn't like those rules can just leave the server and find another, or make their own.
While on the topic, I do understand some of the reasoning for banning cp altogether.
Mainly the conundrum of where to draw the line. If you take child porn and add ears and a tail, is it still child porn? What if you add fur? A lot of fur? What about a drawing, how many animal-like features does the child need before it's considered legal cub porn?
It's hard to draw the line, and no matter where they draw it, people are going to be angry. The best way to really handle it is on a case-by-case basis with input from a lawyer. No furry bias, just pure legal advice.
If they just ban CP altogether they wouldn't need to worry about that, but they step close to that authoritarian line if they do that. There's no way for Discord to win this battle. They need to decide which is the lesser of two evils.
edit: Sorry for mobile formatting. I'll fix it when I get on PC tomorrow. Also for some reason I can't access all of the replies on mobile, so I'll respond later if I can't see yours.
The problem is not just the cub porn, there's actual servers with bestiality and other illegal activities that Discord ignores after multiple reports, instead telling people to not "mass report".
That is a problem, there are definitely times that Discord should intervene but they don't. There are other times they intervene when they shouldn't.
I'm not talking about screenshots. People are posting links to servers that contain imagery and discussion of animal porn, which have been reported alongside all that info you've specified, yet the same "mass reporting" response is given.
well-respected admin team.
Discord has many good things but this sure isn't one of them. There have been many instances of them turning a blind eye even to child porn and lolis.
You like drawings of baby animals having sex?
Can't you see how fucked up it is?
Cub porn is literally child porn drawings with fur, my dude. It's still fetishizing something because it is underage and vulnerable. Big red flag.
Nice wall of text. But its not hard to draw a line at all. Underaged humans or humanoids performing sex is child porn.
Hello there,
Be mindful of R1.
Please try to refrain from doing anything targeted like this as it falls under witch hunting. Debating the issue is fine, but there is no need to make allegations and the like about an user's supposed preferences or not.
American law enforcement disagrees. Getting mad over drawings of fictional characters is peak virtue signalling. Entirely manufactured outrage, you have to actively seek this shit to find it.
In my opinion that's very difficult to discuss as it's a question of ethics and those have always been disputed depending on cultural environment. Anyways happy cake day. :)
"If you liked CP, the internet was going to rip you a new one for no reason. "
Hmmm
"well-respected admin team".
The Discord Trust & Safety Team has been destroying their credibility and reputation the past few months with selective account-disabling, poor handling of reports and blatant hypocrisy. Great way to ruin public image and spark distrust. So far they have given the community no reason to trust them again either. The lack of an official comment regarding the situation from Discord doesn't help matters as well.
They say that it's not their job to tell you/police the specific topics you're allowed to talk about yet if you get falsely reported for saying something negative about furries, your account will get disabled. If this doesn't show the lack of diverse views in the T&S team, I don't know what does.
I've been watching this situation from afar and have been growing increasingly disappointed.
sorry this isn't very related to your comment, i wanted to share some background
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You're right, I was mistaken about the T&S team. There are many issues I wasn't aware of.
Thank you (and others) for being respectful in your reply. I was honestly expecting much worse for posting about such a controversial topic.
„If you liked CP the internet was gonna rip you a new one for no reason“ Are you kidding me?? For NO reason??? What about the reason of being a literal pedophile? Of CP being illegal pretty much everywhere? Also I dont think the T&S werent that respected because users had some issues with them before (where requests wouldnt be answered, bans would be issued for no apparent reason without explanation etc). And for the „where do you draw the line“: this is Discord own service. They can draw the line wherever they want. Its their platform and they are responsible for it, so if they want to ban all Furry stuff (or whatever topic, like ikea furniture to give a super random example) they very well can just do it. Its THEIR service.
If you liked CP, the internet was going to rip you a new one for no reason.
\\I had to stop reading here before I got tRiGgEreD. Really hope I just don't understand the context of it.
"I've seen artists whose careers/reputation were ruined because someone called them out for drawing cub art."
That's fine. If a famous photographer was found taking jail bait pictures of underage children, would you not be okay with that person's reputation or career being ruined as a result of their choices? How about a more grounded reality and talk about a musician who has been found with underaged children?
Nobody is forcing them to draw cub. It's their choice and they should accept the consequences. It's not an ambiguous gray zone. It's anthropomorphic child pornography. It's illegal.
Small thing that nobody mentioned in this thread that I've seen it mentioned in the past threads talking about the same issue: Pedophiles can use cub porn to roleplay with minors. (and, well, "convince" that the stuff in the roleplay is normal... and, well, you know where this is going.)
Also, in a perfect world, your idea of "asking admins politely to ban it" would work, I don't think it does work in toxic servers. I've gone in a lot of servers were toxic people were threating me, could I ask the admins to ban them? No, because the staff was threating me too. Would leaving the server work? Kind of, they kept threating and trash talking me even after I left, which in turn made people that don't know me have a "bad image" of who I am.
I guess that means that nearly every country on the planet is authoritarian because they don't let their citizens look at pictures of naked children in compromising positions or is Discord secretly a country?
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