Bonus on the Sangie Thing!

As a former artist from Inkedfur and someone who has had serious issues with the owner, I would really like to add some input to the business practices being done on his end. I have elected to stay mostly quiet as I was afraid of being made into a public target by both Sangie and artists that use Inkedfur for an income but at this point, I can’t really keep quiet anymore, especially knowing I’m not alone now in having had these dealings with him.

First and foremost; The cub porn issue is a very reoccurring thing with Sangie; it’s what lead up to my splitting from the site. When I original joined Inkedfur, there were very few artists on the site and it was a very new site. I was eager to join because I liked the idea of a “print to order” site and was gladly willing to let someone else profit from my art to do the legwork of printing and selling the product. When I initially joined, the TOS said nothing in regards to allowing cub porn/pornography depicting minors; I’m one of those individuals who actually reads everything before I sign an agreement and I can guarantee I wouldn’t have joined the site had I seen anything that allowed it. Over time, I had minor disagreements with Sangie which all kind of stemmed from his lack of professionalism. Incidents such as getting very political on the Inkedfur Twitter really bothers me as the company was a reflection of all who used it and I wasn’t keen on that being a part of a place I do business on. It was a minor disagreement but one that “made him cry” despite my kind phrasing and get a vendetta landed on me.

Later on there was a telegram chat group for the content creators and admins if the website and tags were brought up as an issue. I was asking for clarification about why certain tags and content were disallowed from the site when Sangie himself mentioned cub porn on the site. A few of us in the chat were startled when this was mentioned as we never had any idea cub porn had been allowed on the site and were not comfortable with our work being there. I asked Sangie if there was a possibility to, at the very least, make the content not appear next to general art that was posted in the new section and wanted to work with him on resovling the issue. He flew into a fit of rage and posted a picture of his office in shambles implying that I made him cry and caused him to damage his work area and started yelling about me calling him a pedophile (I did not). Eventually after hours of discussion, his admins put in a lot of time and were able to settle everyone down and promise that the issue would be taken care of. However, Sangie circumvented his admins, left me a threat and instantly removed me from the website and locked me out of my account so I would no longer be able to view my sales, view my “balance” and gather any information for taxes purposes. It was an instant ban with the reason cited as “Insubordination”. I wasn’t aware I worked for him or was his employee; on the contrary; I thought he was working for us artists given his business has nothing to sell without the artists providing work.

I was not the only artist who expressed concern over the cub porn but I was the only one “terminated” for saying it. As soon as artists who were “favorites” of his said they were going to leave if it wasn’t removed though, he immediately pulled it and fixed the ToS the next day.

I was admittedly upset and posted an FA journal stating that my prints would no longer be sold on Inkedfur and expressed that I want no association to cub porn in anyway. That’s when things get interesting. I was contacted by a “victim” of Sangie’s; an individual who told me that sangie was not only a cub porn advocate but also has a history of being convicted from crimes against minors. I was even linked to his mug shots and public listings for his arrests by the individual who said he had tried to instigate sexual interaction with them before they were an adult also. He has two records and both, I have confirmed, are related to dealings with underage minors. He has made journals saying “it was a misunderstanding” but what he really means is that “I got caught trying to escort a minor from their home state into one where I could legally have sex with them”. I’m refraining from linking the records for the moment but I assure you, they are verifiably Sangie and site his irl name which he previously has listed on Inkedfur itself.

To be clear; Sangie has a criminal record of trying to escort minors.

When his victim started leaving comments on the journal, I deleted it out of fear that my warning about the site’s unprofessionalism would spiral into a much bigger problem; one I was not equipped to deal with at the time. I did alert other content creators of the site though. I don’t know who chose to stay and who left aside from a few who I won’t say to not drag them into trouble.

In addition to leaving Inkedfur, it was implied that the “remaining stock” of my prints would be sold and I would not be paid out. I’m also not the only one who’s been told this and had to fight it. When given this option, I issued a Cease and desist order abd explicitly told him that -he broke contract- and he was not legally allowed to sell my intellectual property. I was told the remaining stock was destroyed though later I would have friends send me a photo of my art in their catalog at a con afterwards. I decided to let it slide as now I wanted as little to do with Sangie as possible now that I knew what I knew.

This is only the tip of the iceberg with my interactions with Sangie, too. OP, if you’d like I can absolutely send you screenshots and proof of everything said here and even explain in further detail what was said and done by this individual. He is a closeted and convicted pedophile and he treats his artists like employees/dollar signs and has no respect for them, their wishes or their art.

Sangie's real name (which he does not hide at all, but in the interest of avoiding doxing, I'll leave it private) does show up in Utah public records with a felony conviction for "dealing in harmful material to a minor" in 2007. The Department of Corrections record associated with the charge lists an alias of "DJ Toboe"; Toboe is his old account on FA. He currently lives in the same city that's used for InkedFur's mailing address, as well. He posted a journal on his personal FA admitting that he was once sentenced to a misdemeanor on a "technicality", but his records show a third-degree felony arrest and felony probation. It is possible that the charge was reduced to a misdemeanor, but at least in the Utah records, they are still showing as felony probation as of 2008.

I've dealt with Sangie before; he's a moron and, in my opinion, he has no comprehension of copyright law, which is extremely unsettling for the owner of a company whose entire business revolves around it. He claims to have contacted a lawyer during the Yiff Party scandal who, as I recall, advised him to issue DMCAs on behalf of artists whose art was stolen - no IP lawyer would recommend this because it is blatantly perjurous to do so without being a designated agent of the copyright holder.

The biggest joke is that InkedFur sponsors Boozy Badger's furry legal blog posts. I'll give Boozy the benefit of the doubt, but Sangie really does not have any business running a lemonade stand, much less InkedFur. He's leaving a nasty legacy for all of of these artists to deal with as he laughs all the way to the bank.

I can confirm that this is accurate information. I was also one of the artists who was in this chat feeling very uneasy about this underaged artwork.

He was also caught selling my artwork at a convention I was myself dealing at, all the while telling customers whom were looking for me I was not there. He had expressed that ue would not sell prints of your artwork if you were dealing at the same con he was and was very aware I was infact dealing.

I was not aware of this issue until a customer was surprised to happen upon my table and was upset he did not get to buy from me directly. He showed me the large amount of prints he purchased from them and asked if I could sign some.

Later I did not recive payment for the full amount of prints sold. I never would have been wise to this ongoing issue had that customer not shown me the prints he had gotten from them that very same day.

Proof that Sangie/James Hoyt has a criminal history involving children:

Proof that Sangie is James Hoyt. From his OWN website.


Arrest Records






Pay Special attention to the "Alias" section. "DJ Toboe"

Verification that Toboe is his alt FA account:



Additional Testimony from a Victim.

Well, having seen this and the previous post I just dropped InkedFur for good.
Despite slow communication and an overwhelmingly obvious favorites system when it comes to artists who are featured the business had suited me well enough, especially dabbling in comic making. It gave me a fair return.

However when the whole Simba daki thing popped up I followed it from afar, but after seeing the ToS change and the daki being taken down I thought Sangie had realized what a bad idea that was and scrapped it. I went to commend him for a good choice and was met with a very lukewarm response, trying to debate the morality of cub porn vs other furry fetishes and being extremely wishy washy about the possibily of a sister site based on explicit cub porn. He would try to guilt me into his side by pointing out where my art is being hosted and the things I draw (I draw a fair bit of feral dragon NSFW stuff). Eventually he came to and promised me that InkedFur would never sell cub porn and that anything else would be announced publicly.

Having seen the behind the scenes of what transpired and the fact that he is indeed making a cub porn sister site I am not only apalled by the way he treated the artists involved in the kerfuffle but also that he broke my trust in such an open way. I have screen caps and have no problem sharing them now. I feel bad for his admin team that have to deal with such unprofessional behaviour.

I asked to have my store closed today and was unceremoniously dropped after begin told my stock was huge so I will have to pay a large invoice or have the works sold without royalties (which is on the ToS and I'm ok with). I feel much better knowing I no longer have anything to do with the website, it looks like it will just get worse before it gets better.

Ask for proof of stock immediately to make sure that the product is physically there and you’re not being charged for product he doesn’t have in hand. That ToS update came after ANOTHER artist dropped some time ago and a debate on him continuing to sell their stock and not cut them profit came about.

Also, just as a head’s up; Sangie promised there’d be no more cub on Inkedfur long before the Simba incident. Two years ago, in fact! This is not the first time this has been a concern and he keeps betraying his clients by trying to sell cub under the table.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7198862/

Good point on the proof of stock, he told me there was a lot of it so it was going to be expensive - which is odd because I'm not a popular creator there at all and he barely ever carries my stuff at conventions so I am quite skeptical of how much is really there.

I was aware of one of his previous convictions and of that journal too, but the Simba thing really made it super obvious to everyone he was not going to relinquish satisfying his fetish for his business.

You do a pretty spectacular job ignoring literally all the evidence presented in both posts and the above comments. Both individuals were friends with the owner prior to these events, the blatant two-faced actions by him to set them against each other and to play both sides of the conflict was what ended these relationships. These messages are from artists who worked with InkedFur just like you and were fucked over by Sangie, not some competing printing firm looking for dirt.

Effectively nothing relating to any 'political turmoil' is the result of our legal system, nor does any of that invalidate that Sangie is convicted of a sexual offense against a minor and accused of plenty more. Regardless of your stance on cub porn itself, this history combined with his intense interest in child characters does not paint a positive picture on him or his behavior.

There are other vendor sites, other printing options that any current IF artist including you can choose. Why stick with the one run by a scumbag?

Thanks for confirming my suspicions that this is being pushed by InkedFur's competition. I will stay where I am. InkedFur pays me on time and takes care of me.

Mugshots don't mean convictions nor does screenshots of a PM hid to make it anon. Looks like a social justice smash and bash where facts don't matter. Only feels.

Nope, just somebody who doesn't have blind faith in shitty people.
His conviction is publicly searchable on Utah's right-to-know site, as shown in the screenshot, and not hard for you to verify if you actually cared to. Seems like you'd rather just ignore the evidence.

Actually, I’m the one pushing this the most and I -am not working with any print company at all-. I do not work for or with any competitors to Inkedfur and I am a former artist that worked with them that was treated poorly because I expressed concern for PEDOPHILIC CONTENT in a place I did business.

I was on very friendly terms with Inkedfur when I approached them to sell my prints. Their behavior towards me and other artists has been EXTREMELY unprofessional and you have the testimonies of MANY artists now, more and more flooding in constantly, too. Sangie/James treats the artists he works with as employees, even siting the reason he out of the blue locked me out of my account, sales history and final payout on the grounds of “insubordination”. He sends threats to artists, he harasses others to join his site and he Bad mouths those who left to people he pitches his services to. He sent me pictures of his office destroyed and said “you made me do this” when I was having an extremely calm conversation about the content that suddenly sprang up on his website AFTER I joined.

The cub porn is relevant and so is his history; I Guarentee that the majority of artists on Inkedfur do not want any association to cub porn/ponrographic material depicting minors and he’s tried to solicit it through Inkedfur not once, but twice to be met with outrage from his own clientele. When he could not continue, he decided to instead try and make a “secret” site under the Inkedfur flagship using the profit to make an “explicitly cub porn comic”. This is unacceptable.
His history is relevant given there are STILL VICTIMS of his predatory behavior, recent ones that extend beyond his time served in jail for it. He openly talks about how he is happy to skirt state by state consent laws so that he, a 36 year old man, and engage in sexual acts with minors (he specially mentions 16).

You can white knight for him all you want and yell “conspiracy” to the rooftops but the truth of his bad practices and poor business practices is clear; more so with every new artist that comes forward and speaks of their experience with him. But if you want to openly condone any and all of this behavior, that is on you. You can ignore pedophila and predatory behavior towards minors, you can look the other way every time and artist is treated wrongly , and you can choose your own hill to die on.

Go make your dirty kiddie diddler money; I hope it buys you all the luxuries you want, guilt free ;3

Mugshots don't mean convictions, sure. Believe what you want, but his arrest and criminal record are a matter of public record. Anyone (including myself) can just look him up and find that he was sentenced to, at a minimum, felony probation. You don't get felony probation without sentencing, and you don't get sentencing without a conviction. For someone so obsessed over our "broken" legal system, you don't seem to know a lot about it.

so I've been quiet for the most part my experiences with him aren't tied to Cub but seeing as we are also talking about bad business practices and how he mistreats the artists he works for i thought I would contribute.

I don't want my name tied to this journal, but I was an artist on inkedfur pretty much from the get go. one of the first... 10? and I can definitely attain to having special treatment, my art was always being sold, he did EVERYTHING for me, i never had to lift a finger and i know others have to do things manually so it kinda sits with me sour. I had a decent amount of income monthly from IF.

BUT Sangie tried to wiggle his way into my personal life he lived in the same state as me at the time, im not sure he still does, long story short, he slept with a friend of mine which broke up my friends relationship, and ultimately ended with them hating me for introducing them.
now this is all personal and has nothing to do with the site.
it gives insight into his shitty character.

this however does.

he tried to convince me that I couldn't post high rez files on patreon cause IF owned the art copyright, I promptly told him the art was copyright to me and showed him that he has no stake in where I post my art. that one was more... funny than anything, as I know my rights and read up on copyright law often.

I had asked Sangie to remove all my "adult art" from my section as AT THAT TIME I was stopping adult art and didn't want to sell old art either, he asked me why and I gave him "religious reasons" as I'm sure would be valid enough, I understand people have issues with almost every religion but in a workplace environment I expected professional behavior. he pressed further asking my religion and I decided it wouldn't hurt to tell him. i was met with a vicious tirade about how my religion was "bad" cause someone who was a member of my faith did something to him one time.
i left the site after that.
he used bullshit about selling stock already made, i told him not to print anything new, but i was extremely upset and just wanted to be done with him.

either way, I didn't leave on good terms. I was treated extremely unprofessionally about something that wasn't his business in the first place.
I've moved to greener pastures and I'm happy with the service I've received even if at times they are also very casual they never cross the line of professionalism by telling me what i do for my faith is "bad" smh