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    Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

    Thoughts on "#Wikimedia" vs "#Wikipedia" branding. Thread.

    3:39 AM - 28 Feb 2019
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      2. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        So initially, this makes a lot of sense to me, Wikipedia is a brand a lot of people recognise, even in places where we, desiring to be a global community, don't have a strong presence.

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      3. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        One of the challenges, and something that causes people genuine confusion, is explaining Wikimedia/Wikipedia. It's not complex, but it is another slight hurdle in terms of comprehension, in terms of getting to the point.

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      4. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        I give this explanation on a regular basis, the main thing being that even after you've explained it, people don't really care what Wikimedia is, they care what it *does*, and what it *does* is... Wikipedia

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      5. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        But here we come to the problems. One being that relabelling #Wikimedia organisations as #Wikipedia organisations is somewhat disingenuous. Wikimedia UK for example, cannot, and does not represent all British Wikipedians (though of course we offer support so please ask).

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      6. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        It's true in the sense that a lot of our work is geared towards expanding Wikipedias, English and Welsh primarily, but we are not the Wikipedia project in itself.

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      7. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        The other problem is our movement's strategy, and our expressed goal of #KnowledgeEquity, representing other forms of knowledge, often those that are equally as valid, but possibly not compatible with the format and rules of #Wikipedia

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      8. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        Our solution there for people to collect (and share if they want) *could* be other platforms, projects and a wider, different community, perhaps joining up with #Wikipedia, but not Wikipedia per se. So why tie ourselves to "Wikipedia" if it represents only a part of our mission?

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      9. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        Many within our movement see Wikipedia as a tool, it's the most powerful tool, but it can't be used for everything. #Wikidata and #Wikibase have opened up new possibilities for sharing knowledge. There are many other #OER that solve other problems.

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      10. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        Don't get me wrong, #Wikipedia is the bedrock, and is one the best examples of what motivated, generous people can achieve collectively, and is an example of the potential the internet offers. But I am unsure it is what we should claim as a name for our wider work.

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      11. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        As an example of how we use the words, @wikimediauk has made a specific choice to run "Wikimedians in Residence" not "Wikipedians in Residence". We felt it allowed for wider scope, and helped us get away from the "someone who writes Wikipedia articles for you" idea about it.

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      12. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        and with a wider array of projects they were working on during their residencies, such as #WikimediaCommons and #Wikidata, it made sense to use a broader term

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      13. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        but this is our local perspective, and mileage may vary. An organisation doing outreach somewhere else in the world might really find it easier with a clearer, simpler brand to use, and I will be very interested to hear other's viewpoints.

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      14. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28

        Lastly, and this is a big one, there are already tensions between some affiliates and some Wikipedia communities. Most of these aren't huge problems and all communities have disagreements. But a change could exacerbate these, if it was felt one group was claiming another's work.

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      2. Oscar Costero‏ @oscar_costero Feb 28
        Replying to @StuartPrior2

        A little bit lost here, this renaming is being discussed somewhere?

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      3. Stuart P‏ @StuartPrior2 Feb 28
        Replying to @oscar_costero

        various places as I understand it, Meta and Facebook too, I don't have the links to share though..

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      4. Oscar Costero‏ @oscar_costero Feb 28
        Replying to @StuartPrior2

        I just found thishttps://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/02/26/leading-with-wikipedia-a-brand-proposal-for-2030/ …

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      5. Nemo_bis‏ @nemobis Feb 28
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        https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review …

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      1. Verena‏ @Kommunikonautin Feb 28
        Replying to @StuartPrior2

        I agree. A shame about the time and energy this discussion will cost.

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      1. Liam Wyatt‏ @Wittylama Feb 28
        Replying to @StuartPrior2

        Ping @zmccune.

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      1. Pastor X‏ @bastique Feb 28
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        I used to be against changing the name to Wikipedia Foundation but yeah, just do it.

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