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Chelsea

I resign as a furry

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I think I am going to resign as a furry.

I will remain a furry artist, but I no longer consider myself as one. The whole entitlement of harassment, sexual favor, and the like is starting to be very unhealthy for me.
I never seen any other fandom forcing their way on you like that as If you owe them anything. It make me extremely uncomfortable.

This fandom have no limits when it come to try anything to get what they want. Especially with the younger audience where they cannot take a single no, instead they will blackmail you, call you name, create alternative accounts to still try to get it their way and deceive you.

This guy have a point on multiple issues I am encountering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDa9w_XoP7Y

Also here some examples:

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It does seem to be an issue that seems far more prevalent than in other fandoms.

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Seems like this is something people know about who aren't in the fandom, either.

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I think the sexual aspect of the furry fandom is extremely pronounced and impossible to ignore.

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Furries have been around for decades. But furries are certainly prominent enough to be part of "adult" culture.

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And they way they  behave often times has given a stereotype that's prominent as well.

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I've been in the real world. Denying that furries are extremely toxic and behave atrociously and embarassingly is just not accepting the reality of their general behavior.

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Furries are the most toxic, angry, angsty, entitled, and perpetually outraged community I have ever seen on the internet. And it's not even close.



Furthermore:

" Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 12:47]
Hey so I saw a commission with a fox and your sona that you did involving hypnosis and was wondering if you had any other art like it, i'm kind of a fan

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:43]
I do not

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:43]
But what about your profile pictures?

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:43]
What about it

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:44]
I mean I can pick through those and there's a couple that are very obviously hypnosis related. Or at least one

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:48]
Are you going to argue with me just like Tech Coyote ?

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:48]
Who?

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:48]
I'm just asking about art I'm interested in

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:49]
I don't have anything else to show you

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:49]
Really?

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:49]
Alright then

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:51]
Nice job covering your tracks by the way, really nice avoidance

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:52]
Because deleting all of your profile pictures isn't at ALL suspicious

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:55]
Excuse me ?

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:56]
What with this self entitlement ?

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:56]
Do I owe you anything ?

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:56]
I was just asking to see art

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:56]
That's not entitlement

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:56]
That's a request

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:56]
And I said no, I have nothing to show you

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:56]
Which is a blatant lie

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 13:56]
Why do you keep insisting

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:57]
Because curiosity

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:58]
You're withholding information that I asked for purely out interest, just to say no, makes you see timmid

Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 13:58]
You could have at least given a proper reason you cunt



And more:

" Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:36]
everyone cant take a fucking no and try to insist

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:36]
I am fed up with this fucking community

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:37]
To be fair, and this isn't me defeding that kind of behavior, but when you make art of that style and then make a cropped version your profile picture people are going to ask for it

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:38]
I remember the way you acted towards foxler a while back

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:38]
I'm sure everyone has that kinda phase

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:39]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
and when i say no, its a no, trying to impose, be entitled, and not drop the subject wont make me change my mind but instead piss me off even more

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:39]
I guess it's because your arts so good?

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:39]
Idk

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:40]
not a reason

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:41]
if you meet a girl and you ask her for sex, there is no law that prevent you from asking, but if she say no and you force it on her saying "yeah but you have a lovely body" and keep going, then it become plain harrassment

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:42]
it might sound a lot worse to take this kind of example, but in a way its the same thing, when someone say no, doesnt matter the reason, if the art is good or not, a no is a no and trying to go your way to still try to see it just become harrassment

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:44]
I gecha

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:45]
But it's also like.... sombody is teasing photos of their hot body on twitter, and is open about their kinks and sexuality

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:45]
But never shows off the full stuff

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:45]
It makes some people feel cheated

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:46]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
i posted the face of my hypno art, its not teasing. you cant just go on twitter, seeing someone posting their smile tellign them, "come on gurl, show me your tits, you are a tease"

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:47]
But hypno is a fetish for people

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:47]
Its differant

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:47]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
there are limits, if you feel cheated, you should rethink your morality. people have all their right to have fetishes, expose them online, but not forced to share anything with you

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:47]
Again,  I'm not defending him

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:47]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
it is not

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:47]
[In reply to Chelsea Chamberlain]
Hypnosis turns people on.

I would compare it to bra pics or somthing

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:48]
your example above is exactly whats wrong with the furry community

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:48]
toxic behavior, doesnt know when to draw the line

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:48]
[In reply to Chelsea Chamberlain]
You feed it

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:48]
For reeeeal

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:49]
[In reply to Chelsea Chamberlain]
Was a furry raider who called foxler daddy

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:49]
Alot

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:49]
because someone dress like a "slut" doesnt give you rights to rape them. and I do not feed anything. If someone dress in bikini, and are knew for making porno, doesnt mean you have all right to force yourself on them when you meet them and act like she is your slut

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:50]
i would consider it more like.... sombody dressing as. slut so you ask to see abit more

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:50]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
this is exactly why this fandom is dangerous, you all know no limits

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:51]
Don't define me in that shit

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:51]
You make fucking cub rape porn

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:51]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
I do, because you still feel cheated from my profile picture, and this behavior is completly wrong

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:52]
You threw out the ability to use that argument

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:52]
Cub
Rape
Scat
snuff
Pon

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:52]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
do i rape people, do i force myself into them ? do i go my merry way to physical people and say, hey dude i like your child, can i cum on it, come on you faved my art

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:53]
what i draw is a fucking fantasy, I dont go harass people and force myself on them

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:53]
Still, the crowd to attract with that stuff isn't the best one

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:54]
[In reply to Chelsea Chamberlain]
And what is wrong with wanting to see the full thing? If you didn't want people to ask about it then it shouldn't have been a profile

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:54]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
look at yourself talking, you show nothing that you changed from before, and the way you speak and act like because i draw certain things, it allow people to sexually harass me. this is what is wrong with this community and you all

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:54]
and you fall in the same bag to see nothign wrong with it

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:55]
You
Make
No
Sense

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:55]
[In reply to Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff]
if i want to crop a picture and not show the whole thing, i do what i want

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:55]
we are done talking

Chelsea Chamberlain, [23.11.18 14:55]
I am placing you back on my mute list

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:55]
God tier

Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:56]
You are literally insane to react this way
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tannim
tannim
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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you find or are found by such strange people.  Sorry you have to deal with them.
SexyDragon201
SexyDragon201
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Edited 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Owner
Lord.....this is why most are leaving or not wanting to see it again due to the extreme toxic ways and only getting worse with young generation who can't have their way..I understand why your doing it and i don't blame you with all the shit you've been through..i feel as time goes on..it'll get worse but i hope it doesn't..sorry you run into such..strange people
joykill
joykill
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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understandable.
Theendoftime
Theendoftime
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Edited 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Owner
Have delt with those kind of people, same reason why I stopped making furry art years ago... Sadly many furs can't understand privacy boundaries or basic common sense, mainly because they are young. (Like the furries who ousted a fellow fur in front of the whole highschool, just because another random guy found out).

I'm sorry you had to encounter a situation like that. Do whatever feels right for you.
Wolflover0329
Wolflover0329
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is totally understandable. I am glad to hear you have not given up as a artist you are very good at what you draw.
omnomrawr
omnomrawr
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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There's assholes in every community.  Hell, the Stephen Universe fandom tried to drive an artist to suicide because she drew one of the show's characters slightly thinner than was cannon.

The furry fandom is large.  Because of that, it's just statistically likely there'll be assholes.  It's sad that you've encountered so many and I hope you'll see the good side of the fandom in due time.
Zadrin
Zadrin
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yep, humans are going to human regardless of community. Some people are just nasty.
DjijeytheDemon
DjijeytheDemon
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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The furry fandom is no different than any other fandom in this world, however the furry fandom is always seen in a bad light because it’s so different than other fandoms in that it’s unique and therefore easily recognized by the outside world easily by what profile picture you have, there aren’t a lot of fandoms where people can use a uniquely created character as a profile.
So saying that the furry fandom is more toxic and harassing than other fandoms are just plain wrong, it just easier to see since people inside and outside the fandom is actively looking for it
kiamoonfang
kiamoonfang
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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People are just pulling this kind of stuff a lot or worse. I just don't understand why common sense went out the door. What ever happened to no means no? UGH They make my head hurt. I'm sorry :( No one should get this sort of crap :(
RomeSilvanus
RomeSilvanus
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Roflmao @ all these chatlogs
kowareta
kowareta
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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i dont think its the furry fandom that the issue, i think that is a problem with some people in general.
wollypegger
wollypegger
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm going to blame social media and the instant gratification nature it generates.
Chatin
Chatin
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ya this is more to deal with assholes in general and degenerates than the community.

Personally I've run into these, but they have been few and far... granted the more popular you are the more you're going to run into.

Block them and move on.

"Tech Coyote the SFW coyote @mff, [23.11.18 14:37]
To be fair, and this isn't me defeding that kind of behavior, but when you make art of that style and then make a cropped version your profile picture people are going to ask for it"

I'm sorry but why do I see a rape analogy here? "Well if you dress that way..."
That is NOT an excuse...
Nightdancer
Nightdancer
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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You can encounter the same sort of people outside the fandom, because it is a human (internet) thing, not a furry one.
Simply set them on ignore is also much healthier as trying to argue with them for such a long time.
Rathfoks
Rathfoks
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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If you encounter an unsavory individual you don't appreciate talking to, simply use the block/ignore feature of whatever site/program you're on. Don't respond to them whatsoever after you have decided you don't want to talk to them.

Even the most persistent of pest will give up rather quickly if you don't feed into their shit.

Too many furs just crumple and give up in the presence of unpleasant people. You're going to encounter unpleasant people anywhere you go in life, and letting them ruin things you enjoy is silly, especially when blocking them is a one button process.


Edit: As a small time furry artist, I can only imagine what the inboxes of popular artists look like, though, trust me when I say I understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of unsavory people/conversation. Having thick skin and a strong mental filter are all but required in a scene like this. "fuck it i give up" doesn't punish the people who made you upset, it punishes you, and the people who actually care about you.
Dgtdgt
Dgtdgt
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Except there are some select assholes that will create a new account, harass until blocked, create yet another account, look for alternate sites to harass on etc. Those people are the absolute worst because you know they wouldn't do that if they didn't have the whole internet anonymity thing.
skyboxmonster
skyboxmonster
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I reported the same 14 year old kid five times to FA staff and got his account banned.
he was stupid enough to keep commenting "hey I am so and so, my account was banned but i made a new one"

If I was the ultimate ruler of the world. one of the first things I would do is make it illegal for ISPs to use dynamic IP addresses instead of static IPs.
Robbii
Robbii
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I agree a lot of the comments above, on the side of one of the weirdos I have caught myself in a rather unsettling mindset and think that if I put my problems out to people who I barely know or in the public, I felt that someone would give me the answers but that's not how it works and just been fooling myself. You will run into people who have issues in real life and on here but just as often you will find people who believe in you and have you back. I think whether you continue call yourself a furry or not, you're still an amazing creative person, a master of you work. Keep going
simbageoleo
simbageoleo
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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in every fan fiction you get jerks like this just ignore them and block them dont loose faith just because a few people spoil it i mean its up to you of course but we will miss you if you decide to leave the furry lands

whatever you decide i hope you all the best
smartwhitefang
smartwhitefang
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well
I am really disapointed of this fandom!!

This WAS the unique place where people from differents places, cuktures and oppinions could share a good time with fun.... not anymore.

Toxic elements always existed since the begining of furry fandom but nowaday are the normal behavoir!!
StabbityDeath
StabbityDeath
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Jerks all over, not just among furries, but good for you.  I think you were far too kind not to mute him earlier when he was kink shaming as that is really low.. When someone can say anything without reprisal the worst humanity has to offer comes to the foreground.
Squirrelliness
Squirrelliness
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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The loudest/worst ones are the most noticeable, really.
KuraiOokami
KuraiOokami
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah honestly it's a human thing, not a furry thing. If sexuality is in any way involved there will be those with no couth whatsoever. This kind of thing didn't used to be anywhere near as prevalent, I fear it's mostly younger members joining that act so demanding and downright trolly >_>. If you feel you have to resign your "title" within the fandom to distance yourself from them, well that kinda sucks but do what you need to to feel comfortable. I personally just start banning/ignoring anyone that even starts down that road, but I get that for some it doesn't feel enough.

Hopefully "not being a furry" will bring you a bit more peace, good luck!
graymuzzle
graymuzzle
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sorry, as someone I consider a furriend (and a namesake!) I hate to see you go. Do what's right for you. But I think you're wrong about the fandom.
First, the video. I'm sorry, what I see is a trouble making, self serving asshole. Nothing but YouTube clickbait. One of my pet peeves is people who announce their departure from the fandom. You don't have to announce, just leave. That simple. Or, if that doesn't feel right, then tell the people who you care about what you're doing. That should do it. Clearly, a pronouncement 'the fandom sucks' is nothing the rest of us need, since we're here, the likelihood being that we DON'T feel that way.
Truth is, don't destroy the game 'cause you don't want to play anymore. It's hard enough being a furry without people screwing with things from within. I've listened to what you have to say. You've encountered some assholes. So have I. That's nothing new, nor is it unique to this fandom. It is life. We've followed each other for some time. For the most part, I've seen people show you kindness and support, at least for the most part. This is really kind of a slap at your many furry friends. Assholes are everywhere, and are not unique to furry. I see them every day in the real world. As opposed to RL, I find the fandom, kind, warm, and welcoming. Exceptions? Sure, but much more so than life in general. Here, gender, sexual preference, kink, or even psychological issues are routinely accepted. Totally unlike Trump world America. In these difficult times, I think that's more important than ever. Moreover, my experience has been nothing like yours. In a decade of doing this, I've encountered maybe a handful of difficult people. I've blocked maybe 5. With almost 2 million page views on SoFurry alone, that's a miniscule percentage. I wish my day job was so nice. And I certainly think that politicians could take a lesson or two from us.
So, I'm sorry to see you go. I think I understand why you feel as you do, and I hope it's the right decision for you. In spite of this all, my door is always open, and I would welcome you back. To the rest of you, this is not the military; you don't join, and need official permission to leave. If you don't feel like being involved in the fandom, then don't do fandom stuff. But, if you want to be a furry artist, maybe calling out the fandom is not the way to go...….
Excuse me, it's time to feed the drama llama...…..
Pepperthefox
Pepperthefox
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow...that tech coyote guy is a real dick and WRONG.  Anyone can refuse to give anything; it's ridiculous that people think they are entitled to every little piece of your artwork!  I watched that video from Kothorix too and I have had the same experiences now; my opinion of the fandom has been soured in recent years.  I joined the fandom in 2004 when I was 18.  I'm 32 now and it's just...I dunno.  There are so many MORE furs now than back then, they are all 18-23, like ALL OF THEM.  It's hard being my age in this culture, which makes it no surprise that most furs kinda leave the fandom or lose interest around 30.  But yeah, the over-sexualization is what's soured my view.  We all pretend like it doesn't exist on TV (I rolled my eyes at the CNN story...oh we're so INNOCENT)...when really it's the biggest part OF this fandom, the sex.

Anyways, do what ya gotta do and I'm here on telegram if you want to talk :).  Love your art.
Dgtdgt
Dgtdgt
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Depends on the site you go on for the art, really. Though the sheer amount of porn might be related to how EVERYTHING furry is fantasy, at least until technology develops another few hundred years.
Pepperthefox
Pepperthefox
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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o.o?
Chelsea
Chelsea
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Smooches your lips
Floofy
Floofy
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's not healthy to try to convince them to stop bothering you.

Shut them down. something like "anything after asking the first is entitlement". Then hit the block button on their profile.

Them getting upset over being blocked don't mean shit for you, just move on and forget them.
Floofy
Floofy
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Maybe don't bother with sending them a message before blocking them. Kinda just asking for them to create a new account to get around the block.
AlienMarksman
AlienMarksman
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sadly the sense of entitlement is on the rise in all fandoms these days. Even more so in the Furry Community, especially when Kinks become involved.

I am genuinely sorry you have to be subjected to such pieces of gutter trash far too often.
Dgtdgt
Dgtdgt
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's especially bad because pretty much 100% of furry stuff is some kind of art, and too many people seem to feel all art should be free to view. They feel entitled to artwork of artists, get mad if an artist puts anything at all behind a paywall, and many will try to make artists feel guilty for trying to make a living with sites like patreon just because they aren't willing to pay money for the art themselves.

I am sorry but being broke is no excuse. I have no money to spare myself, and get sad when I lose access because they move to patreon or something similar. So guess what? I make a list of artists I care the most about, order them based on the preference and pledge, and when I do have the money to spare I go down the list from the top, until I cannot afford anymore. Sadly because of how limited my money is, artists that eventually release to the public don't go on my list to support, at least until I can more readily have the money to spare, since art is consumable entertainment and quite the luxury at times.
Deltagon
Deltagon
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I agree, that kind of behaviour is just toxic and clearly these people want something from you, they have an agenda.
Also i want to add that indeed, the fact we draw specific kinds of porn NEVER means we would do/have done that in our lives, now that i draw NSFW i can totally relate to this; some of this stuff is completely meaningless at times.

Hope you don't deal with this kind of people as often, best of luck.
Dgtdgt
Dgtdgt
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Just block them and move on. If blocking isn't enough report them. Obviously I haven't had to deal with any of that since I am not an artist, but I have seen my fair share of jerks like that everywhere I go on the internet. Heck I had a guy on an mmo forum send me death threats for suggesting he doesn't deserve to run raids with pick up groups since he feels it isn't necessary to follow the leaders orders since it's "just a game".
Kittymew
Kittymew
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah that's what I dealt with for a long time. You get these crazy fantasy ideas, then people actually get away with them irl. "Let's steal this guy's boyfriend by getting him addicted to heroin!" and the community covers them up, and SOMEHOW nobody goes to jail.
TheForsakenScribe
TheForsakenScribe
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I sadly know the type. I knew a guy who was heavily into vore and I can't stand to play out scenarios where children made by a family get eaten. It's one thing if they did something to deserve death, but if they are innocent and get died that way I can't stand it. The guy even had the nerve to lie and say I was gay to justify his harassment. Truth is at best I was only bi, but then I realized I'm probably Asexual or Demisexual since I can't feel for people I don't know. Suppose I were gay or bi or whatever that doesn't give people the right to my body or whatever they are after. It's because of people like them, I am probably never going to open up to anyone sexually and I have since done less sexual content in recent years. I am sorry that people like us got to deal with such assholes and I completely respect your choice to either stay or leave the fandom. I just wanted you to know as bad as it seems, you aren't alone in the shit happening. That someone is suffering with you. If it brings you no solace, then I am sorry if I cannot help.
rosebuster
rosebuster
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sorry to hear that... Would you like to hang out together again? I'll be much nicer than those meanies. *hugs* <3
SolaLumini
SolaLumini
3 months, 1 week ago
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Ditto!
GameCubeRedpony
GameCubeRedpony
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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That ain't right
Psychrophile
Psychrophile
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, you've gotta do what's right for you.

-hugs-
KimbaLion
KimbaLion
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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dont give up ^^
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Bazaar
Bazaar
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Really a shame that you had to encounter people with such lack of civility :(
skyboxmonster
skyboxmonster
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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The nice people are the quiet ones.

I hate the furry fandom because it has no self-regulation. and the people who step up and try to police the fandom are quickly attacked by fans of the artists and commissioners who are the cause of the problems.
many of those people are just not worthy of life because all they sew is anger and dissent.  
CreamPup
CreamPup
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I knew you were a smart girl to fall in this conclusion. <3 over all nowadays, that furries now are more like neko-mimi otaku geeks, than fans of pure “furry” things...
CreamPup
CreamPup
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I get almost all the time, people asking or bombing with porn all the time, what annoy me xD just like you, draws are different to doing it on real world... and yep, I remember annoying you once thinking you were one of these weirdos faking illness to get support (Sorry again for being an idiot) but you can guess how often i have seen that to end up doubing of everyone xP.

Anyway hope you could feel better, and again, is better stay out of the fandom while you keep doing arts for yourself. And fun
tapstnt
tapstnt
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm really sorry.  You're definitely not in the wrong here but I agree with those people who say you should just block those kinds of folks rather than stressing yourself out trying to reason with them.  
Shumba
Shumba
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Apologies in advance this sounds a bit harsh, I only wish to help. I didn’t intend it to be so blunt but it is kind of late.

That video first tho. It is horrifically one sided, using no real facts and with plenty of speculation. I’m watching it and just counting the psychological tricks they are using to persuade the viewer to their opinion. I’ll be honest, I lost count. While at the same time it’s clear he was a horny kid that was not saying no but instead actively going out and looking for these things. Seriously!? Oh my shock horror youtube vid I bet he got a lot of views from it. Long story short it’s a heap of click bait and he is milking people till the bleed dry.

But as to you, seriously, if you’re watching videos like this I am not surprised by your reaction to the creeps on this site that are being toxic. Might I point out you are one this site, a site made for porn. Furry is completely irrelevant! Every porn site is a creep magnet. Every creep have some twisted fantasy involving your art, your char, or even you. Anything you tell them they don’t want to here, is blanked out or when it finally sinks in, is seen as direct rejection. Rejection is a serious psychological threat! The most primitive reaction to a threat is fighting back. And so people become toxic, but they still want you. That’s where your blackmail and all the other ball crap is coming from. It has sweet sod all to do with furry. If you ‘leave the furry community’ nothing will change because it’s nothing more than a tick box in your head ‘I’m furry’ or ‘I’m not furry’.
If you’re still interacting with the creepy people your still get the problems they bring. The better your art and the more popular the more you will attract them. Well done I guess. So if you want to fix the problem distance yourself physically. Make a friends list of people you actually want to talk to and ignore everyone else. Still want to be friendly pick and choose a few people to reply to ‘once’ here and there and ignore all PMs unless there giving you money. Tho the best answer is to use websites that do not focus on ‘porn’. I don’t mean to sound harsh but its late and illogical videos make me twitch. So sorry, but if you surround yourself in porn sites, then expect to deal with creepy people. It’s part of the porno package. Furry is not your problem.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah I really dislike Kothorix after that video, it's probably one of the worst ones he's done. Relies way too much on assumptions and personal anecdotes.
Shumba
Shumba
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is in breach of YouTube’s code of conduct and illegal in many countries, discriminating and advertising hate towards a group or individual. So feel free to report the video on YouTube. Rubbish like this needs to be taken down.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I really doubt his video actually violates youtube's terms of service.
Chelsea
Chelsea
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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it's not, you are perfectly fine to hate something on youtube.
Spreading hate on the other end is illegal, and at no point the youtuber told you to go hate the furries and they deserve to die.

He pointed many flaws in which he stand correct.
I don't like the dude, but what he is saying still stand.
Shumba
Shumba
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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It dose as it is offensive misleading and hate farming material. =D
Chelsea
Chelsea
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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it's not, you are perfectly fine to hate something on youtube.
Spreading hate on the other end is illegal, and at no point the youtuber told you to go hate the furries and they deserve to die.

He pointed many flaws in which he stand correct.
I don't like the dude, but what he is saying still stand.
Shumba
Shumba
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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You don’t need to threaten someone or a group or tell people they should be harmed, to qualify as a hate crime. A one-sided view like that with nothing positive to say clearly qualifies and the group or individual is being represented unfairly. No one has to directly say it, it’s pretty clear what the message is.
As to whether or not any of it stands up as truth, who knows. But the credibility of the video is utterly 0 since he is using every trick in the book to convince people. Why would he need to do that if there is facts and evidence to support any of the crap he is talking about? He doesn’t have anything he is just pushing at negative assumptions.
And even if some facts are true it doesn’t mean they are valid.
Just for example he says furries are more likely to be ‘animal fuckers’. As in physically having sex with another animal (bestiality). Hmm let’s see now animal orientated community.. If you ask ‘is there a larger % of bestiality in the furry community than outside of it’ the answer is probably yes. But it has nothing to do with furry. A furry doesn’t feel the need to fuck animals in order to feel accepted or part of the community. On the other hand, someone into bestiality probably knows it’s a taboo and so joining the furry community makes sense to them. In their mind they are hanging with ‘like minded’ people and so they now feel more comfortable about their illegal actions and themselves.
So in simple words. Furry communities do not generate a larger concentration of bestiality, it is instead that a larger concentration of those who partake in bestiality, see themselves as furry.
Furry has nothing to do with the physical act of having sex with an animal.

If all you are seeing is animal fuckers and paedos then what the hell!? I’d look at yourself and stop blaming everyone else to be honest because at the end of the day you pick your friends and people you communicate with. I mean your arguing this on a site with a certain ‘reputation’ and drawing such contend yourself to some extent. Are you really looking at the furry community or a mirror?

The furry world is very diverse, there are all sorts of people with in to the point it’s probably equal to the non-furry world in diversity.  It can be a wonderful place and I hope you find some nicer people in it. At the end of the day, you can find anything if you dig hard enough in furry or non-furry places. So don’t dig for the bad things and you wont find them.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Dude, I agree with you that Koth's video is bunk, but don't pull the "hate speech" card (it's not illegal in the US anyway, where I'm pretty sure Koth is from, though it is agains youtube ToS). The harsh (and misguided) criticism in the video doesn't even qualify as hate speech. It's a misinformed critique of the fandom at best, and a purposefuly skewed hit piece at worst.
Shumba
Shumba
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think end of the day if they don’t have some kind of psychological issue that’s making them have to express distaste over something, then it is just pure click bait to get youtube views.
It’s petty either way.

In terms of what is illegal that is down to country and culture. But also ultimately down to what people want. If enough people complain it will disappear illegal or not - accepted by youtube or not. That’s how we make a lot of laws =D
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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His video is misinformed and clickbait but not hate speech and not against youtube ToS, so advocating to get it flagged or taken down is pretty shitty.
Just because you disagree with him (I also disagree with him) doesn't mean you should try to silence him.
Shumba
Shumba
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah? Replace the word furry with "Jews" or “Christians” or "black people" and see how long youtube keep it up there lol!
I have seen things taken down very quickly for far far less suggestive hateful opinion than this.
But whatever, actions speak.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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First of all, there are plenty of videos which adress issues with other communities (such as the black community, just do a youtube search) that haven't been taken down.

Secondly, you can't replace "furry" with those things because they're not equivalent terms. "Furry" is something you chose to be, and something that you can change. You can't change your race.  Maybe "Christians" was a better example you gave...but there are plenty of entire channels dedicated to bashing Christians that haven't been taken down, so your point is moot.
Shumba
Shumba
3 months, 1 week ago
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But some are taken down.
Thus if you don’t like it complain and it’s gone.
Make a lot of noise and people do things to shut you up, its how most things work =3
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Most of the flaws he points out are based entirely on personal anecdotes, and those that aren't he exaggerates and shows clear bias in his interpretations of.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I mean, did you delete your profile pictures? That seems kind of dumb, and timid like the other guy was saying. Asking to see more hypnosis art isn't sexual harassment. Like I get they were being kind of annoying about it but it's better to just stop replying instead of going on a long rant accusing people of being dangerous.
PrinceLeon
PrinceLeon
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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sorry you have to deal with this hun I truly am, I had that problem back when I used to rp so I just completely stopped roleplaying with anyone
Tsaphah
Tsaphah
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sorry you keep finding creeps like these. IDK about the saturation of creeps in the furry community, (since 4ch/8ch and churches have taught me that every collection of individuals will have assholes), but you seem to find far more than your share of creeps (meaning that everyone finds some creeps, but you find more than average for sure).

So. Do what you need to do to stay healthy. Some people, these creeps in particular, just think they deserve the world to bow. So don't bow. Do what you need to survive.
JackDesert
JackDesert
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Jack facepalms and then rubs the bridge of his nose, "Da-Fuk?"
But yeah I have seen bad ones on many places, I mean if you say no then I'd talk commissions.  Well whatever you see yourself as, be the best one you can be.
LexiTheFox
LexiTheFox
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Im fully on your side in those conversations you shared. That crap is stupid, they have no right to demand to see your other pictures just because of your icon being part of one lol.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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They didn't demand anything, they asked and rhen Chelsea got all defensive.
Sengir84
Sengir84
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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verb: demand; 3rd person present: demands; past tense: demanded; past participle: demanded; gerund or present participle: demanding

    1.
    ask authoritatively or brusquely.
 
So yeah, they demanded.
And no-one is entitled to art that they had no stake in.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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" Anubis Toremal, [23.11.18 12:47]
Hey so I saw a commission with a fox and your sona that you did involving hypnosis and was wondering if you had any other art like it, i'm kind of a fan"

That's not asking authoritatively or busquely.
Sengir84
Sengir84
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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That was his very first message.

It became as such after the "No" from Chelsea.
You know, no means no and all that.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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And it didn't become like that until chelsea (apparently) deleted her profile pictures for some arbitrary reason.
There was no need to call her a cunt at the end, but from an outside perspective it seems like she deleted the images just because he asked.
Sengir84
Sengir84
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think we can agree to disagree on this.

To me it seems more like he was just one example of many others. So perhaps the wrong place at the wrong time?
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah I suppose.
We're not given the full context with just these examples anyway so it's hard to say anything definitive.
Chelsea
Chelsea
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Here to give you an insight, first of all, this was the second offense someone approach me about the hypno art I had on my profile which was made by my boyfriend and I wanted to keep it as a private piece.
I have all rights to do so, and I am not teasing, enabling, or doing any of the sort by using what is mine and how much I am willing to share.

If you own a luxury car and want to display it outside, if someone ask you to open your door so you can see the inside, you have all rights to say no, and they shouldn't escalate it further. Because you own an expensive car that gather the interest of people doesn't mean you are obligated to show the inside, it still your property.

Second point, telegram save every single profile pic you upload, and by clicking the current main one, you can get a list and browse them all. the hypno one WAS NOT my main picture, and I often delete them when I upload too many of them. Considering it was the second type someone pester me about that one in particular, I decided to delete it. In which again, I have all rights to do so, it's my damn profile for crying out loud, I don't need anyone permission to do whatever I want with it.

Him complaining I was "hidden" the truth or hiding whatever was HIS OWN interpretation. I do not know him, nor I owe him anything, if something cause problem I remove it, end of story. Calling me a cunt for doing so is like someone calling you a piece of shit for the car example of you driving away because you no longer want to be bothered.

But looking at your comments, your reaction, how you involve yourself with little information but the 3 partial example i posted is the reason I am also done with the fandom as a furry myself.
Too much drama, too much to deal with. My journal was a statement, as for why I retire myself. And again, furries manage to bring this issue to a whole new level.
Tigerfestivals
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah, you can do whatever you want with your art, it's yours. I never said otherwise.
Knowing that about telegram, wasn't it unwise to upload that in the first place if it was something you wanted to keep private? You also didn't give the context that it was not the first time this guy had "pestered" you so all I was left to assume was that he asked nicely for the first time and you acted really annoyed/rude at him for no reason before he proceeded to be a dick.

If you're going to admit what you've posted is little information and just a partial example which has been taken out of context, can you really blame me for questioning the validity of your take on the events?

You don't deserve the treatment that either of these people (eventually) gave you, but you also can't justify getting mad that (using your example) people are interested in your luxury car that you prominently display outside.
If you want to keep it private....then keep it private. You'll have a better time avoiding people that are interested in it pestering you about it.
BellumTheDragon
BellumTheDragon
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Lets just be honest with our selfs here. There are many grate artists, minds, musicians and animators that makes grate things, they take Furry community as something to base their work on. There also are some people who are kind nice and welcome but sadly there are WAY MORE people who thinks of Furry community as a Sex community where all they want is fuck something. Its sad becouse im in this for over 13 years and i seen all parts of this community we grate people can not fight those horny dudes there is way to few of us all. Just stay strong and do what you want. if you see someone abusing dont feed the troll just block. and when it comes back ignore them. but what do i know? im just a stupid dwagon who thinks only about him self :V
sabrina
sabrina
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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comeback. i cant fap whitout your doggy picssss
sabrina
sabrina
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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whats wrong with that? comeback plz. just dont giveup becus of that asshole. furries of not, shithead like that guy allways near of us. its fucking internet dude. just mute that guy and comeback.
AquariusOtt
AquariusOtt
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ugh, I met that Tech Coyote dude on telegram and...yeah, he's a bit pushy. Don't let people like them get into your head though, Chelsea. For every seed of toxicity there's always at least 5 other furs that are friendly and welcome you in open arms.
ElGallo
ElGallo
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Man, some times I remember you can block people and my problems disapear~
Chelsea
Chelsea
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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blocking them is not the issue, it's about a new one showing up all the time
ElGallo
ElGallo
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Strange! I've never met such people. Commonly the best answer is just not replying as far as I know! i'm sorry if you got too stressed out about it. I hope it goes better n-n.
Four
Four
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have trouble with some people around here but I found it much easier after meeting local friends. We usually all get together and go to the movie theaters and it's not just strangers on the internet.
CinnamonFox
CinnamonFox
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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People are awful I don't see how people can just go around doing things like this, you don't need to deal with any of this Chelsea I support your decision its completely called for, I myself have dealt with these kinds of people I get why you are annoyed by this


Regardless you do you and do not take that kind of behavior from anyone especially if they gang up on you after you patiently said no to their requests.
Dominara
Dominara
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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TBH don't blame you. There's been so many times similar things have happened to me, not as an artist, but as an RPer. =/

I know some of the people in the fandom aren't like that, but FFS, the majority of the ones who approached me are. Sucks you have to deal with this shit.
Sciliant
Sciliant
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Fuck em, don't look back! Keep moving yourself to better places.
PatchieRaccoon
PatchieRaccoon
3 months, 2 weeks ago
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I support your decision but you where a little blunt and hostile upfront. I know you must get it a lot but I would just go to a blanket statement like "I am afraid I can not share the full art with you it is part of my private collection thou I do feel a crop is justified enough and I am sorry I cant share with you"

Politeness works in both ways. You provide a product being a artist rather you wanna take it to heart or not. Customers, would be customers and fans are going to lash out if you invite it cuz of the passion and emotion erotic art can have on a person.
EsmeBelles
EsmeBelles
3 months, 1 week ago
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One of the reasons I’ve pretty much stopped using FA, IF the artist or commission holder of a piece dislikes anything you’ve said, you get flash mobbed. I used to do paintings, had a list up on my profiles of what I allowed and what I didn’t. People would just ignore it completely and as for (in my opinion) the most dreadful and disgusting scenarios. I would tell them no, only to be begged, then have them turn hostile and told I’m a tease or prude, that I’m a whore, etc. then they’d start spreading rumors and stories, or display false accusations on their journals. Got to the point, after finding 6 different people had used my characters for their scenarios, after asking me for permission and being told no no less, I gave up on my artwork. And gave up on seeking my own commissions.
People think if you have artwork on the internet, then it’s THEIRS too, unmindful of the owners wishes.

I don’t blame you for not wanting to be furry, but try to keep in mind. The loud ones are the trouble makers. People like me enjoy the art you put up, quietly appreciating it instead of demanding more. I abhor people who scream “MOAR!” Like a wailing 5 year old throwing a tantrum.

Good luck and fortune to you Chelsea, may you find happiness in your endeavors.
SolaLumini
SolaLumini
3 months, 1 week ago
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" EsmeBelles wrote:
The loud ones are the troublemakers. People like me enjoy the art you put up, quietly appreciating it instead of demanding more. I abhor people who scream “MOAR!” Like a wailing 5-year-old throwing a tantrum.


The worst part is the cub furs who do this. Who know better. It gives a bad name to virtually everyone who falls under that category and makes people tend to avoid the situation completely, due to stereotypes that develop thereafter. Its even worse when the part of the community that gets seen is ONLY the toxic bits that don't know or understand the concept of the term "privacy", as mentioned above.
SolaLumini
SolaLumini
3 months, 1 week ago
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I mean, it's people like this who spoil the fandom as a whole for everyone. I've considered leaving more than once, but I'm unable to deny myself who I am as a whole. If people try to act entitled like that, block them. you don't owe them anything. if blocking doesn't work, report them under TOS violation on telegram. Its absolute trash that good people get roped in with the toxicity that congregates out there, just because the one is far more persistent than the other. Don't reply to or acknowledge trolls, it only feeds their egos.

Just because you have the ability to remain behind a screen and be anonymous does not give you the right to stalk and harass people. That's still illegal behavior, and its a damn shame the laws haven't caught up with technology yet in that aspect.
BrokenPupper
BrokenPupper
3 months ago
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Bye.
Chelsea
Chelsea
3 months ago
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Bye.
Delquea
Delquea
2 months, 1 week ago
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VERY late to the "party" but after thoroughly reading it all

Yeah this is why I'm not a furry nor consider myself a furry (I'm only here cos it was the only site where I have more artistic freedom) and easily get pissed when people aggressively insist I'm a furry.
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