Muslims aren't supposed to celebrate christmas. We're supposed to wish our christian brothers and sisters a happy christmas, but we're not supposed to do it ourselves.
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Half of Christmas is derived from pagan traditions, as is half of what I assume you believe Muslims are ‘supposed’ to do. So drop the circumambulating, annual fast, prohibition against pork and many, many other things too and then lecture other Muslims.
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No sir you don’t get to have a conversation about religion in private that you started in public.
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ok. Isn't annual fasting, prohibition of pork, etc all mentioned in the quran? I've always wished my christian friends a Merry Christmas. But I never celebrated it myself. Also I just want to be clear I'm not judging anyone.
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Yes it is mandated by the Quran and sunna. My point is these belief systems not only overlap but borrow extensively from each other *and* derive or even duplicate things from pagan predecessors. By all means don’t celebrate xmas but the reality is fluid enough to allow it.
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ehhhh,in islamic faith,we borrow some,but not that extensive,for the circumambulation of the Kaaba,according to islamic faith,we believe that Abraham,who we believe was a monotheist, and according to all 3 monotheistic religions was so,was the one who began the circumambulation
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You are reiterating the teachings of your faith. I am doing a comparative analysis of several faiths and histories. You can’t counter those points by saying what you believe. Of course Islam does not say “yes we borrowed X idea from pagans”. And Christianity does not either.
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My new favorite Muslim caricature.
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She's basically my highschool Islamic studies teacher who pretended to be progressive.
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Hahahaha perfect.
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Wallah. The same teacher who loved the Backstreet Boys but once took me to the side and asked me why my best friend was Christian.
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Oh I know the type very well and I didn’t even do Islamic studies.
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she is a hypocrite if she doesn't condemn her past comments,US is an inclusive society for all,she shouldn't apply traditional standards on other people,she just brought trouble on herself,with this past tweet,although maybe that was her past,maybe she changed,and she did change
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Why should Muslims celebrate a Christian holiday? lol In my experience, most who do celebrate Christmas aren't very practicing. Many do it just for acceptance/trying to fit in. And that's probably what she's getting at in her tweet.
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not that i cordone the practice,not that i celebrate Christmas myself,but Ilhan needs to consistent with her views,because this is going to be a line of attack against her for inconsistency,i understand what you are saying
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From a political standpoint, sure. Though I'm sure she'll be apologizing for it tomorrow lol Either way, just goes to show Muslims can't really win no matter what they say
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There are plenty of sane, balanced Muslims that actually like America, don’t indulge in conspiracy theories and can articulate nuanced thoughts on public affairs. Of course some people will always hate them. But at the very least I wouldn’t hate them.
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I'm an American citizen. Obviously don't hate the country but have a metric ton of critique. But the truth is, saying something contrary to public opinion (as some tenants of Islam are) isn't doing Muslims any favors. Being quiet = also not favorable. I still think she's an idiot
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I acknowledge your point yes, but I have enough faith (!) in the place to believe there’s a way. I’m sure other minorities here have felt this way.
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Oh there's certainly a way. Not to come off an elitist prick but that requires education of lots and lots of people, both Muslims and non-Muslims, and that's just too much effort for people who don't care that much about the subject besides emotional shouting matches for clout
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