I always found it interesting that the furry community seems to be mostly gay, then a mix of other sexualities. Lets do a poll to see the percentages of LGBT!
It's just your assumption, not 'an' assumption, which would imply it's something people assume cohesively. Also, not only is this not a 'study', your thesis is wrong as well. This poll only checks your followers, not the entire furry fandom. It could be very well so that most of your content caters to a specific sexuality.
Did you seriously make an account just to post this comment? Did the existence of this poll trigger you that badly lol.
At no point was this cited as an official study, people do things for fun FYI. The assumption that the community is tailored to a gay audience is a common stereotype perpetuated among my peer group. You have a better reason to be offended if I were stating it as fact.
Still, your use of the word 'study' makes it come off as if there's some legitimate science behind it when it's literally just a strawpoll, whether or not you meant it that way.
And it's a common assumption because it sure as hell SEEMS like gay content gets the most appreciation on FA. I don't see gay pics getting "if only the bottom were a girl" nearly as much as I see "I wish they were both guys". You might get a better read if you separate bi out into male, female and no preference options.
Seeing you mute, block and censor any and every single person who you disagree with to get a community that perfectly listens to your degenerate behavior, yeah, a new account was necessary. You're practically a dictator among furries.
It's absolutely hilarious that you even feel the need to point out that this is a new account instead of explaining your awful behavior, after all, you're the one who's triggered by anyone who speaks up against you. But thanks for giving me the perfect opportunity to point it out, while I merely pointed out how wrong your 'study' was.
And well, even if the community mostly consists of gay people, this study still means nothing, because this is just your tiny following. Finally, if you're arguing against what I said, then why did you give in and change your journal?
The bigger problem is that the sample is non-random. I think furries are incapable of understanding random samples. EVERY fucking furry survey is non-random, despite there being no methdological obstacle to it
Dude. The furry fandom has changed—more than once, in fact. For a long stretch it really was primarily made up of gay males, and that was the general understanding. Now it's a bit more mixed according to the 'official' furry survey (https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Furry_Survey ), but some of the old status still sticks in the minds of anyone who isn't a johnny-come-lately. In addition, the terms "thesis" and "study" which you apply here were not used whatsoever. Perhaps you're the one making unfounded assumptions.
http://furscience.com/who-we-are/ They've done a number of surveys over the years and have collected data from tens of thousands of furries. Their results pretty much indicated the same thing-most furries are bi, then straight and then a mix of different preferences. The reason being ever since it started this fandom was more open to people who identified other than straight which led to a lot of non-straights becoming part of the community just because it was more accepting than anywhere else.
The reality is that humans in general are actually Bisexual. From their they just lean more towards one end of the spectrum based on a wide array of factors such as social pressure, the time of year/month, the smell of those around them, their hormone levels, etc.
I am a bit on the Lesbian side myself but sometimes I want that meat pole like there is no tomorrow and other times I don't even want to be near males.
That is why I said "in general". As we are all mutants there are exceptions to everything with humans including a small handful of absolutely asexual ones but that is a genetic dead end if ever there was one. Reading comprehension: It is FunDUHMental.
Just people with a love of things furry. It's not like we have super powers but I agree there are exceptions to us humans. I don't know about the reading comprehension part but I don't think as well there is a dead end with those who are heterosexual, bisexual, or gay. I don't think none of us are asexual
Humans are mutations by our very nature. It's the result of evolution. Genes mutate for the sake of adaptation. In regards to asexual ACE people do indeed exist.
As a geneticist this is true and also as some one who has done behavioral studies Unbreona is correct that humans are bisexual by default and as time goes on the number of bisexuals in botht he fandom and the general population will increase due to the lack of social pressures from more traditional sources such as Christianity or being anti gay for the sake of being anti gay. Both these are dying out. Literally in the case of Christianity, how many Christians are in the fandom or how many do you know who arent in their 50s upwards?
That really hasn't been proven conclusively though. There is still a lot of research needed to be done because we're still at a point where being open about what you are is heavily stigmatized. Plus social factors like being considered a certain preference being the 'cool' thing interfere with that kind of study. There's a lot more work that needs to be done before 'bi' being the default is considered definitive. You're also leaving out that there are a lot more sexualities than just bi. I do think people are becoming more comfortable with the idea of being something other than gay/straight/lesbian/bi which is cool. Hopefully we'll get to a point where it doesn't matter. Where everyone respects you no matter who or what you are as long as you're not hurting anyone.
Fair point, but ive been a bisexual since i was 18 and now im 21 and ive never been persecuted because of it and i grew up in a christian household and in the rural more conservative uk. I dont know about other countries though admittedly.
It really depends where you live. I grew up in the suburbs and have known I was bi (pan, now) since I was a kid. The home I grew up in was by no means religious but I knew if I came out my aunt would disapprove and want me to keep it hush hush. She was very much about keeping appearances. The Baptist church I went to with a friend when the topic came up (the rare times it did) it was always spoken of in hushed voices. We were considered mentally ill and by many in the US still are. I see hate and vitriol online whenever there's a discussion about the LGBT community. Just try bringing up gay characters in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic over on the Equestria Daily forum and you'll see it there for sure.
Worse is places like Russia...Jamaica...Africa...there are so many places where they're not as accepting and while a lot of it has to do with religion mostly it's ignorance and fear. Any time 'the way things are' faces such a huge shift in perspective you're going to get people who have trouble adapting and/or who feel threatened by it.
Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better...if they ever do. All that social progress is starting to snap back.
Yeah but again Christanity is slowly dying out in the west i mean look at the christian republicans in the usa, their all in their 50s/60s/70s alot them will of either retired or be dead in 15 years so they'll no longer have any political power and also the MLP thing do you really want gay/sexualised stuff in a childrens show. Really?
I can't help raising an eyebrow at the fact you immediately equate being LGBT with sex even though you don't immediately equate showing straight couples to showing sex. What about kids shows that show romance between straight characters? Because there are tons of examples of hetero relationships being shoved into LGBT kids heads as being the norm and nobody complains about that.
Showing healthy romantic relationships between mares and mares and stallions and stallions shouldn't be a big deal. We have same sex marriage in the US. We have same sex adoption. Why if we've finally begun to accept that as normal (which it is) would it be wrong to show same sex characters in a kids show? Is that not a part of young kids lives? How is it any different from showing them hetero relationships? What about kids who are LGBT? Don't they get characters and stories to identify with?
Because not including that kind of thing sends a pretty negative message.
Yeah but you also have to remember that a lot bisexuals myself included would prefer a member of the opposite sex as a life long partner. My personal preference is that i want kids and i don't want to adopt and dont hate for that or otherwise you should be against invitro fertilization and other reproductive technologies because and bad as it sounds most people dont want to look after someone else's kid. Thats just the cruel reality of the world.
Now you're kind of meandering from the point. Plus saying a bunch of things that make me doubt your qualifications. There's nothing wrong with adoption and you're pretty much stigmatizing it by what you're saying. Both adoption and IVF are perfectly valid methods of getting pregnant. Sure-they're not genetically yours but it's not genetics that make someone family. Your kid doesn't need to be related for you to love them or for them to be a family. That and plenty of people adopt. Saying 'most' people don't want to look after someone's kid not only are you making an assumption without providing statistics you're-again-stigmatizing adoption. Considering i was adopted I take issue with that.
Yes but you must be what 20s/30s before a lot of reproductive technologies started picking up speed and if apparently male fertility rates continue to drop will be come the norm. Also how many people do you know have also been adopted unless you are active seeking companionship with other adopted children in which case thats conformation bias and will be discredited because of said bias. Also i didn't say theres anything wrong with adoption so don't put words in my mouth please, i just said that most people don't/won't to adopt especially nowadays thanks due to reproductive technology. Remember that context is important when discussing science/personal life.
you cant really force people to "do your survey" i dont think your point of forcing people or not into survey would have that big impact unless we are speaking about "forbidden fetishes or things" while it has some impact this is as close to real science data about "preferences , sexualities and other things" we will get
It's not about hidden or not, it's about the kind of person who would jump at the chance to let their point of view or preference be known, and how that systematically biases the sample towards them because the survey is open to volunteers. In this case "I'm here to prove not all furries are gay! Look how bisexual I am!".
You solve this by not letting participants decide if the participate or not, just like you fix selection bias by not letting the researcher decide who participates. Hence you get a random sample, and not volunteers. For example, if you were at a con, you could give the survey to every 10 people who show up at con registration after starting with a random person
None science data will be perfect , regardless what you think and selection bias there wont be better furry data out there, not to say its not just about "sex" and preferences if you actually seen the survey itself. this is as close to science data about furries you can get and since its from 2011 it already tells how hard is to do any statistics around furries as despite so many years , there is no better science data about furries
While "selection" bias may have some role in the statistic you cant gather better data , cons are simply too small and even if you gather data there you have "con bias" becouse only specific type of furies go to cons , and whole "this data is not valid become Y or Z"
This isn't methodologically challenging at all. Random samples at cons would be easy to collect, and the only thing you would need to do it on websites would be an userlist. Random samples are the foundation of any statistically valid survey, and the logic of why a survey is valid is built on that. If you can't get a random sample, there's really no point in doing the survey at all
problem is random samples would be incredibly hard to gather as not everyone at "con" would like to fill these in and you would again get "volunteer bias" it does not change that much
not to say even if we could consider these who go to con "most accurate representation of furries" how big cons are? 250 people? 500? that statistic you so want to trash had over 8000 furs
Gathering random samples is beyond impossible would say because: Only certain people go to cons(i know a lot people who will never go , and these who went have very bad experiences with creepy furs) so i would not say that "convention furries" are NOT best representation of the fandom -Furries still need to consent -You will still have these who specific will go to "fill survey" -we are internet minority , you wont go around street asking "random furries" because furries wont be "there" Internet is best because you are anonymous on internet not to say it does not need personal contact and does not focus on cerain part of fandom(all fandom uses internet) i say its still most accurate
That's why you pay people. 5$ coupon for Dealers Den or something. 5$ amazon giftcard. Simple page of basic demographic questions. 8000 people is useless if you don't have a randomized sampling method. A 50 person random survey has more scientific validity than an 8000 person straw poll.
so if these 50 people by statistic anomalies all were gay furries you would probably say "all furries are gay , science!" even if these 50 people was most accurate statistics gathered even in perfect scenario it would be statistic insignificant
34 data points is enough to do statistics. The whole point is that (assuming the standard social science p value of 0.05), 95% of the time you draw a random sample, the average will be between x and y range. A larger sample allows you to narrow down that range within the same p value.
If your sample isn't random, then you have a substantive problem with the data. The whole idea is that random sampling will even out the errors in the data(for any unforseable variability), and any given sampling will typically be within a specific range because the errors typically cancel each other out. If there is selection or self selection in your data, then it can be argued that it is not random, and you will bias the data in the direction of self selectors.
If you get an 8000 person sample of biased data, you have a very exact wrong estimate. All you are doing is narrowing the range of a sample that is faulty. It is better to me closer to a representative sample and be less precise, than to be completely off and be very precise
Except conventions are worst place to gather such data and you not told any other alternatives "how furry statistics" could be gathered beyond "me suggesting internet"
Sample Size Determination When measuring a large data set or population, like a workforce, you don’t always need to collect information from every member of that population – a sample does the job just as well. The trick is to determine the right size for a sample to be accurate. Using proportion and standard deviation methods, you are able to accurately determine the right sample size you need to make your data collection statistically significant.
you cant define 100.000 people by preforming statistic on "30 people" and slaping it "valid science" that's not how statistical data works
You're shooting for precision with sample size, not accuracy. For accuracy, you need randomness and representation. You can't fix the accuracy problem with size or any statistical techniques. This is a problem of how you are collecting the data. This reads like you are applying statistical methods from other fields into social science, and the standard for social science is a randomized sample.
And a 34 data point sample at worst would just give you very wide ranges, it is not a substantive problem. Volunteers is. A 8000 person non random sample is a very large waste of time and any social scientist would have stopped it before it got that far
Explain how exactly you would make "random sample" in furry fandom because you have "these who go to conventions" and "these who never go to conventions because creepy furs fo there to have group sex" gathering it just at conventions would be gathering worst statistical data ever.
Call it a scientific survey of furries who go to conventions, then do a separate survey of users of furry sites to see if there's any difference. You can do surveys of any place furries gather and do a meta-analysis if you want. Even if you limit the scope of the survey, good sampling matters more.
Also, the fuck kind of furries are you hanging with with that kind of hangups over cons? The more realistic bet is the price of attending
it still don't eliminates "volunteer" bias you spoke so heavily at start who escalated whole conversation , how gathering data "on a con" is different from "internet survey" in ether of these you specificity volunteer to leave your opinion
idk what cons do you go but big ones lots attendees just go to have sex in private rooms after/during convention , small cons dont do that but you wont gather any science data from like..10-30 people
You eliminate volunteer bias by letting luck decide who is asked. If participation rate is low, you pay them. On the internet, you get a userlist, randomly select some users, and do the same thing. You could even use third party services for it. These limitations are nothing social scientists haven't dealt with before. But non-random sampling is just a complete non-starter for validity in a survey, and no amount of volume or statistical tricks can fix it.
But..again , we are "fetish" "vaguely sex community" i dont think scientists will ever have any interest to "cross study" the fandom
"or pay them" i wonder who will find money to pay 5$ to even as low as 1000 furries , that would even 5000$ and noone will dashout that money to find "if furries are just gay"
While i indeed get where you going your missing the point we are internet minority where 3 main focuses are art , furries , and sex , from all art and statistics gathered by FA , about 15-20% of all furry art ever made has "mature or adult theme"
and you know how much taboo sex is so no founding will ever "find itself to study some internet sex minority"
so what are we left with" volunteers , lots of them not best but i dont think we will get anything better
I mean specifically lesbians. I've met a bunch of bisexual women, but not a lot of girls who are only into girls, but that's just my personal experience in the fandom.
Yes, I'm slightly perplexed by this as well. Trans has to do with gender identity, not sexual orientation (which, admittedly, is somewhat informed by gender identity, but it's still not quite "right").
I dunno I thought it'd be funny to list LGBT and then add whatevers missing. Maybe there's genuinely some people only attracted to those with mystery gender.
Trans is indeed a gender identity and not a sexual orientation. The sexual orientation to non-CIS gender identities is skoliosexual. There are more trans-identified and skoliosexual identified individuals than you think, even in the furry community... there were a bunch at FurTheMore for instance. :3
I feel more questions would have been asked as to what skoliosexual means/is. Trying to define that would be a controversy in of it's own. For what it is, it doesn't seem to be garnering enough votes anyway to effect the results as a whole.
lol that's a new one but na it's like a sub-group of asexual a demisexual is a person who does not experience sexual attraction unless they form a strong emotional connection with someone.
Girls on the internet is just a conspiracy concocted by the Furs in control to make all the boi's feel like we are boi's. @-@ I am sorry, bad joke xD if its even counted as a joke.
I think it's simply has to do with who made this pool. Honestly, I don't really remember when's the last time I saw "pure" lesbian content (I mean without any D) on this webside, and there is a looooooooot of wiener stuff in Jason's gallery. Therefore, I don't really expect many lesbians to watch his account.
I wasn't saying you never did girl on girls, I was saying I wasn't remembering the last time I saw that xD (and there's STILL lots of cocks in your gallery.) And those two pieces are 3 and 5 years old ! It's time you do a new one !
thats what i thought as well, when thinking of his content and i know there are exceptions *eyes at the other reply* it is mainly dicks and butts what i think of, not thats something bad it just kinda tints the poll.
What would be really interesting would be a select gender option too, so then you could compare the number of males, females, trans for each sexuality (namely, bi, hetero and unsure).
Sorry, that's from years of studying psychology and criminology, and looking at research papers. ^^;; You're continually thinking of ways to add to a study or improve it to get more data for comparison purposes.
I prefer female, but if a very feminine boy wanted me to be on top, I wouldn’t say no, same thing if I was to ever meet a submissive shemale. I like my tail played with but anything past that I don’t find enjoyment from. I wish I did though.
I mean, it shows in the art here on FA alone. There's a MASS of MxM porn here in comparison to anything else. Not saying that that's damning evidence, but it is odd that there's SO MUCH of it compared to everything else.
I think the results of this poll show that it's plausible that it's not necessarily that the community is gay, but that both sexes really like to see M+M content.
I mean hell, it's me and kabier's favorite content and we're a straight couple.
should do another poll to see what biological bits most of the fandom is composed of. (i'd assume most of the fandom is males) PS. these guys have done official polls/research in the past (and continue to do so) http://www.furryresearch.org/demographics/
Gotta say, despite all my art, I'm really just a ladies' rat. Granted, there's such a range for sexuality, that this poll kinda limits, though I wouldn't say it unfair to just mark myself Hetero for simplicity's sake.
I'm pansexual, which wasn't there, so I chose bisexual as it's the closest. x3
My sexuality is messed up anyway. I used to believe I was asexual for like 10 years because whenever I fall in love, I fall in love for someone's personality and not for sexual interest. Some cases of sexual abuse in my child years ruined me to the point that I can't enjoy sexual activities with a partner like healthy people.
Haha, I'm a trans-male and seem to be one of the few that also hates this overload of labels on this whole topic... like HELLO I'M A DEMISEXUAL ROMANTIC PAN INTERESTED GENDER FLUED NEUTRAL SEX SPIRITUAL HYPER ULTRA MEGA PURPLE RED GENDER LEVEL 4 BLUE ON MY CHEST AND RAINBOW IN MY LEFT ARM, CHECK OUT MY ANGRY INSTAGRAM.
My favorite thing about this journal is just how serious people are reacting to it. This poll has no actual implications, and is not a serious scientific study.
Good to know that trans and other stuff like futa arent the majority because i tended to see only that over the monthes. Just would people see heterosexuality not like a shameful thing . So of course i knew the gays were the most important part of this communiauty but good to know too that isnt contamined by lgbt stuff which tend to divise people than reuniting them.
I normally associate as pansexual since I'm a non-binary person that's in a relationship with a non-binary person. Also, I'm not sure why trans is on here as a sexual preference...? It's not really a sexual preference.
pansexual and aromantic, i think, i dont want relationships (i´m to lazy for that) but i cant resist admiring some peoples beautiful assets, whatever they are.
But i understand limiting the options somewhat, there are so many labels, its hard to keep track and statisfy everyone. So putting bi/pan in one pot is fine by me. Some People take it too serious anyway XD
Some people are very attached to their labels. I tried to steer clear of it by going with sexual preference over identity. Otherwise this kind of stuff will fall political again.
better poll would have been to use the kinsey scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinse.....e_of_the_scale and maybe an option to set gender (or "physical gender" to not rain on anyones parade) because I'm at like a 1 on the scale but had to add "bi" anyway XD (ok, I'm more at a 5 with furry art - everyone is gay for furries ;))
According to official polls it's mostly straight followed by bi then gay. Oh and is not a vast majority. The furry community is rather diverse. But you must also take into account that not everyone answered or was asked.
But when it comes to bedroom stuff, natural males with natural male equipment, and a range of typical male behavioural archetypes is only where I go. The more feminine a guy is, the less interested I'll be. Then again I don't really care too much for super macho masculine dudes either. Just, chill out and be a guy and I might like ya.
So I guess, cis male homosexual? Sounds about right. Just.... Gay :)
*Stumbles in with a pile of research papers. trips over some red tape into even more stacks of paper creating a paperstorm.Huffs throws arms up and stomps out* Ah screw it! Who cares! be what you wanna be XD!
Bi sexual hedonist here, though I have to ask why trans is on their. Is it as a preference for having sex with trans individuals because otherwise its just self gender identification which doesn't really have to do with a sexual preference poll. Just seeking clarification. ^_^
I am asexual, and feel no gender-specific labels suit me.
Guess there's only like 3% of people who feel the same. I know several people who are technically trans that use the label only because people will understand what they're talking about.
Well I hope this information helps you out, for whatever you're looking for.
I think a study should be performed to rule out loneliness and desperation, I think a lot of furries are just lonely and therefore have low standards as to whom to have sex with.
I honestly think this is a tough call since there are so many people. From all the art I can see I say a lot of the community is Bi. There are those that are gay and then you have people like me who are straight.
I honestly feel i'm the worst possible person to answer this as I"m….Well lacking any how to put it Never done anything of the likes yet worst thing I've done at a furry convention was hug my Charizard plush and look at a bunch of fox tails trying to find a crimson and ocean blue one but if I were to guess at what I am if things ever happened to go that way well I'm probably guessing i'm bi based on my favorite gallery but that's not much to go off of TBH so i apologize for being of little help specially consider I'm 30 and all one would think at that age a guy would be able to answer something like that easily.
Big debate up top. Lost interest in reading it (I'm like 99% asleep and will kill if it gets me rest), but the point of the matter is a common assumption is that the fandom is just a bunch of gay guys. You obviously know the rest of the stereotypes regarding looks and fetishes, but I've seen a lot of people assume this. Granted, it's only ever been non-furs and you know how most of them react, so the term gay may just be used in a slander form, but you get the point.
Also, me, male pansexual who would prefer to be able to freely change gender (not sure what this classes as, but I just accept the cards I was dealt biologically). Partially for sex reasons, mostly cos women get WAY more options regarding appearance. Both less and more stigma, weirdly. I like being a guy, but being a girl would help appearance issues...
My genderfluidity only really applies to fiction at this point. :P I like the idea of swapping them out, along with the parts they come with, but naturally reality and biology stops this. So I class myself as male given my birth gender, sticking to it as a sex change would remove my ability to have kids.
So, I guess I'm genderfluid but just not actively? If that makes sense? All I know is gender never bothered me, which reflects in my sexulaity.
The study I've found states that the community is only about 38% gay, but only 40% straight. I myself am bi-curious, though as time goes by, i'm leaning more and more towards pansexual.
Trans isn't a sexuality. There are only two sexes. Trans is more of a cross dressing and genital mutilation fetish.
Also, there are a lot of other studies out there where exclusively gay people will say they are "bi" to avoid the gay stereotypes and being socially outcast for said stereotypes.
In regards to sexuality the "kinsey scale" test is usually the best, but like any study, people have to be honest for it to work. ^_^
People are surprised that the furry community ISN'T mostly gay and is leaning more towards bi? I guess I really was the only one who noticed the absolutely massive influx of herm porn over the last few years.
I am not at all surprised at the BI bent of the fandom . Of course, this is actually only a poll on individuals who watch this account, not the fandom in general, but yeah. Most things I have seen put the whole fandom at about equal percentages Hetrosexual and Homosexual, and the largest portion (but still no where near 50 percent) BI. Been that way for a long time now. This poll is slightly more gay/bi bent, but, again that's your followers.
I was straight for years and years, but I voted bi. (TBH I wish there had been a 'bi-curious/heteroflexible option' As I vastly like females and herms...guys are okay if femboish and dominant...but...*ahem* anyways.)
I put unsure.. I'm gay but kinda bi.. I much prefer men and trans.. Vagina kinda turns me off.. But i'm still very into breasts and femininity so on and so forth.. but i also like men and hunky guys and cute twinks. I'm just not sure.. I guess semi bi mostly gay kinda..
I think the easiest answer is.... I am ME... and i like dick and boobs and muscles and thickness..
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