Grace Blakeley

Take your point, not least as a lot of now noisy remainers risked a ref by voting for Cameron in 2015 because of fear of ‘red Ed’. But surely will depend on timing to an extent? The more Brexit was fresh in the mind - or ongoing - the more remainers might punish the Tories?

If anything, the longer the campaign, the more people will be swayed by the ‘liberal elites are trying to take away your Brexit’ message. After a decade of wage stagnation that message is going to resonate more than 2016 - even when coming from the party of gvt.

But surely the longer after Brexit the less attention on Brexit and more on the key domestic issues that allowed Lab to exceed expectations (H/T Harry Potter) in 2017?

I don’t really think it’s a question of time from the event - more the issues the parties choose to campaign on. It’s been a very long time since the British empire, but that doesn’t mean a lot of people aren’t indulging in post-imperial fantasies of British hegemony.

Grace clearly believes that Labour can win without Remain-supporting Scotland. It's an interesting view given that 18 of the 64 gains Labour needs in order to win a majority of one are situated there. And, of course, that assumes it holds all the Scottish seats it currently has.

As somebody who campaigned hard with Labour and Momentum, I can tell you most people see Brexit as something politicians should just get on with. Their major concerns are the basics; NHS, housing, poverty, education.

Then the solution is to get rid of Corbyn, who will not reflect the views of the membership and the trade unions on Brexit and replace him with a leader who doesn't alienate rational people by being pro-Brexit, pro-Moscow and anti-Semitic. You can still nationalise trains.

That's just about the most daft take out there.

Compelling argument

You want to ignore Corbyn's ratings, the views of the membership on Brexit, the trade unions views on Brexit and the Labour position in Scotland for a rehash of 1970's Bennite dogma. Well that's really compelling

Your timeline does seem a bit obsessed with Seamus Milne being a not-very-undercover Soviet mole. The PLP failed to get rid of Corbyn twice, another election would see him win again, quite possibly with a lower margin, but people can think of other issues except Brexit, you know.

If you look at when Corbyns ratings really started to dive it was when Milne getting him to push the Moscow line on Salisbury coincided with Coryn getting mired in anti-Semitism. (Brexit of course is an additional constant reason)

‘You only need to do a quick scan of Labour’s last Election manifesto to see that higher taxes are a certainty with the burden falling disproportionately on higher-income taxpayers.’ "anyone earning more than £80,000 a year should expect to pay more income tax" Sounds fair 2me

As a bricklayer, if you're earning 80k you're earning it. A sub-contractor (labour baron) on 200k is simply getting it. It's not the same thing.

If your earning 80k You can afford 2give a bit more They r people living hand 2mouth because of the Tories cutting working benefits The burden of austerity has been dumped on the poorest for most the last 10 years It time 4 those that have a bit more to pay more It's fair

A substantial Tory demographic wants remain & expects the Labour Party to deliver this by pressuring for a 2nd ref so they can continue voting for a tax cutting Tory Party. Corbyn's refusal to save the Tories from themselves is the source of their anger & frustration at JC.