Press J to jump to the feed. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts
Community Details

725k

Subscribers

460

Online

A place to share your favorite social skills tips, ask for advice, or offer encouragement to others on their social skills journey. Welcome aboard!

Create Post
r/socialskills Rules
1.
Be courteous
2.
Stay on topic
3.
No spam or promotional content
4.
No Medical/medication advice
5.
No PUA/Seduction advice
Sidebar Content

Share your favorite social skills tips, ask for advice, or offer encouragement to others on their social skills journey. Don't forget to subscribe!

socialskills on IRC, for questions

CasualConversation on IRC

CasualConversation on Discord

Community Guidelines

Please limit relationship/dating advice, they should go to /r/dating_advice or /r/relationships.

Start Learning Social Skills

Full List Of Resources (Wiki)

Don't Give Up

Join the discussion

Become a redditor
1.4k

Don’t be needy and stop trying to control your experience

Two of the biggest reasons why you have so much anxiety is neediness and trying to control your interactions, experiences and outcomes.

Let’s tackle neediness first. Why do you crave something from everyone you meet? Why do you want acceptance and approval? Why do you need people to tell you you’re okay before you can believe it? There will never be a time where everyone response well to you all the time. Repeat to yourself before and during interactions,” I do not need anything from you”. That’s it. Do it often. Learn to be agenda free. As long as you need something from people you meet and interact with, you will never feel at ease because they hold power over you.

Control over your experience usually takes the form of trying your hardest to control outcomes. You’re so worried about not being able to handle poor outcomes that you life your life playing it safe.You craft the perfect text message. You search for the perfect response. You have to make perfect logical sense. When you can’t figure these things out, you get anxious because you’re afraid of the outcome. Your inner child says that poor outcomes are dangerous. So you live your whole life micro managing your experience. Doing things that make you feel safe and when you can’t micro manage and make mistakes you feel like shit. Your anxiety stems from this micromanagement. The world is a big, complex place and try as you might, you will never be able to control it. You need to start jumping in unprepared and trust that you can handle whatever comes. Talk before you’ve fully formulated a thought. Stop thinking two or three steps ahead and anticipating a bad outcome. Like not approaching someone because you don’t know what you will say after hi. Live outside your head. You think too much

Peace

81 comments
97% Upvoted
What are your thoughts? Log in or Sign uplog insign up
level 1

Needed this today THANK YOU

level 1

Fuck. This hit too close to home.

level 2
71 points · 8 hours ago

Hit my neighbor's house. Phew.

level 3

You’re funny. I like you

level 1

Wow. All of that makes complete sense. I always knew I was too calculated with my interactions with people but I never knew exactly WHY. Your post made me realize that I really did have my own agendas. I would tell myself, “I just want a friend” but I think even that was agenda setting. I was expecting too much out of one interaction instead of just letting it be what is was. Then after I don’t make friends with whoever I’m talking with or it doesn’t go my way, I get discouraged and give up. Yikes.

Also, the very second I would start thinking and preparing to talk to someone, it always led to talking myself out of it, and I mean EVERY time now that I think about it. So that’s another example of me trying to control everything.

Now that I think about it, all of the most genuine conversations I’ve had with people were ones that I wasn’t prepared for at all or didn’t anticipate. Go figure.

Even right now I caught myself re-reading this comment and making sure it makes sense and it’s organized and there’s no grammatical errors. On reddit of all places... I guess I have more to work on, but this was the wake up call I needed. Thank you.

level 1

To be honest, I know it already, it's just that I still cant do anything about it

level 2

Same. This is just another version of "be yourself" generic advice found everywhere. Unfortunately for some people it does not really work.

level 3

I disagree. I’m a huge non fan of well-intentioned but lazy cliches without explanation. “Be yourself” is one of my all time (least) favorites. But this one actually takes the time to go into some pretty thorough detail that things like “be yourself” and “you’ve got to work on yourself” don’t properly address. Knowing this information is one thing, as is not having much success with it, but it’s still sound advice.

level 4
14 points · 7 hours ago · edited 6 hours ago

Ok. Let's say this is advice.

It's still one of those very-easy-to-say-but-difficult-to-do types of advice. You can't control your emotions; you can't simply turn off the "I give a fuck about what others think of me" switch in your brain. You, as a human, will always seek for some form of validation and that's ok. It's natural. What the OP failed to think of is the fact that socially inept people exist, and if those socially inept people don't at least try to learn how to do social things right, (or as they say, learn to fake it) they'll get laughed at and their reputation will be ruined.

It is 100x better to think carefully of the consequences of your words and actions before you execute them especially if you spent the first 20 years of your life sheltered from everyone. Believe it or not, some people really have to learn the most basic stuff. Something as simple as how to handle compliments.

level 5

Yes it’s not easy to just change your social behavior at the blink of an eye. Nobody succeeds at that. You definitely can’t control having emotions, and obviously everyone wants approval from people that truly matter. I never got the idea here that OP was suggesting to hell with all that. The general picture here is that this is all about extremes, and worrying oneself to unnecessary degrees over trivial interactions, trying too hard to not slip up and gain approval from those who shouldn’t matter that much and don’t really have much to offer you with their approval anyway.

This is specifically geared towards the socially inept. They’re often the people with such anxiety. I don’t see who else this could really be for. Being overly concerned and paranoid about being laughed at and having your reputation ruined when you don’t double and triple check every last thing you do or say before doing it is precisely the point. That’s the fear that helps keep socially anxious people locked up.

Yeah you should definitely have a filter and think about things sometimes. It was pretty clear to me however that the point of this was steering clear of doing so in unnecessary, paralyzing extremes. Considering consequences is one thing. Shying away from action in general or too often because of the possibility of consequences is another.

OP probably should have been more clear about whose opinions and approval you should care more about, what situations you should be more careful in, etc. It’s not perfect advice, but it’s sound. It’s a far cry from “be yourself.” Is it easy to say and hard to do? Yes. Good advice for hard problems is hard to accomplish in real life. But you can make improvements with practice even if you don’t perfect it or even come all that close. If you have good, detailed advice for a hard problem like social anxiety that isn’t some cliche, and is easy to do like it is to say, then I’d love to hear it.

level 6

Very well said. I now get the point. Everything in moderation, right? I liked the part where you said:

trying too hard to ... gain approval from those who shouldn’t matter that much and don’t really have much to offer you

I agree, you can't please everyone, so it's not worth the effort at all to cater to every single person and be perfect all the time.

level 7

Yes, pretty much. I’d probably say less in moderation and more in compartmentalization. Do you know what I mean? Use your discretion to figure out who and what is really important. That’s a key here. Who is this person? Why are we talking? What is there to lose? What am I really going to say in this conversation that’s going to get me laughed at? Does it really matter if certain people laugh? What reputation could certain people possibly ruin for me? This isn’t stuff to dwell on too much in the moment, because with enough social anxiety you already have enough questions on your mind, but I think you get the picture.

More importantly figure out why these scenarios matter to you. Why should you care so much about certain interactions? The better you get at judging that the better you can be in the most casual interactions.

level 5

Totally agreed with this.

Successful people think about what to say to get what they wish. They do not blurt out stuff without thinking.

That advice is to be socially accepted but it’s not really useful if you have nothing to say in the first place. If you do nothing, if you have no topics to discuss. Peoples minds go blank in certain situations and you can’t just say that you can say anything because if you tell someone that you dropped something or just something random it’ll probably get awkward. You need to learn to talk in an interesting and curious way to lure people in if your socially adept.

His point however still stands about watching your attitude and how you try to control every aspect.

Controlling every aspect is also not bad though. It’s called being responsible and you’ll find if you take more responsibility you will improve more than if you start blaming stuff at it not being your day or you being unlucky.

I don’t believe in this idea of luck that middle class people associate with the top rich class. Footballers, actors, millionaires who are self made all put in a lifetime of work and effort. It was not luck.

Another reason I don’t play the lottery.

Eliminate luck by taking responsibility for every action.

level 3

I've always thought "be yourself" was horrible advice, especially for people who aren't happy with who they are.

I prefer "be who you want to be". It's not easy or quick, but I think it's good for people to know what they can grow and change and improve with effort and time. Especially if they know what they want to change.

level 2

Does that bother you?

level 2
1 point · 20 minutes ago · edited 17 minutes ago

Something that the post grasps at but doesn't mention is that in order to do this, you need to get rid of negative thinking. Positive thinking is not pretending nothing is bad either, it's learning to deal with your negative emotions properly. Once you're able to recognize what is wrong with how you handle emotions, you can start developing care and empathy that you will apply to your thought process and yourself in general. The goal is to treat your inner child with the compassion you never received as a child. Once you do that you'll find that you can breeze through life and social interactions with much better confidence. You need to integrate that the problem is not you, the problem is how you deal with problems. You can change that providing that you do not avoid your negative emotions and instead use them as motivation in order to thrive and grow as your own person. It's important to know that you are not your problems, problems happen and you have to learn to handle them correctly.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/overcoming-destructive-anger/201704/overcoming-the-paralysis-toxic-shame

level 2

Work on getting a higher self esteem, and the problem will fix itself for the most part.

level 1

Why do you crave something from everyone you meet? Why do you want acceptance and approval?

Because that's all we want in life. To have a sense of belonging. To know that you matter. In other words, validation. To quote Neil DeGrasse Tyson,

...There is a level of connectivity. That’s really what you want in life. You want to feel connected, want to feel relevant, want to feel like a participant in the goings on and the activities around you. Thats precisely what we are just by being alive.

Believe me, I have tried not giving a fuck... And I truly haven't for a very long time. But there comes a point where you question your choices, when you get tired of feeling like no one likes you.

level 2

Yep....I had an attitude of not giving a fuck for whatever comes up...and has messed up very bad... recently I got rejected by my girl and nobody could sense the inner feelings I had for her...my best friend just went on as she thought I am too strong for that shit and I ain't going to bother....Im feeling that my choices and reactions were better...

level 3
6 points · 3 hours ago

One thing I learnt relatively recently is that it's not about not giving a fuck, but rather what you give a fuck about.

If you care about everything from Trump's latest post to when your neighbour will finally mow their lawn, then it will be a pretty disappointing adventure - and all of that energy will end up wasted.

Instead of not giving a fuck, choose the things closest to you (your newest cousin, how your friends are going) and care about them in place of the rest of the crap that everyone tells you is important.

Mark Mason's The Subtle Art Of Not Giving A Fuck was an insightful read for me.

level 2

You can not give a fuck without being a dick about it. I used to live my life trying to control everything and get validation, not understanding that both of those things put people on edge.

Not caring about what other people think, i.e. being authentic, while not being an asshole is the key point here. Choose your fucks wisely, because not all of them are worth the effort.

level 1
12 points · 9 hours ago

Learn to be agenda free? If I didn’t have something I wanted from an interaction I wouldn’t be having it at all.

level 1
24 points · 10 hours ago

Talk before you've fully formulated a thought

Well, I'm not too sure about that one line. You should formulate your thoughts properly before speaking. It may depend on the subject you're talking about, but you could easily mess up and say something insensitive or wildly inaccurate. Be precise in your speech, and you should consider the outcomes of what you say. Otherwise you're treading on thin ice and could really fuck up in a discussion or argument. But sometimes when you're just shooting the shit it's not that important. The rest of it though, yea, makes sense.

level 2
8 points · 8 hours ago

I think this applies more so to people that ‘over inhibit’ themselves. I struggle with this a lot in group settings especially, where I’ll try and think of the “perfect” thing to contribute to the conversation and often don’t end up saying anything at all. But you’re right, ideally we should strive to be precise in our speech.

level 3
7 points · 6 hours ago · edited 6 hours ago

God. This is so painfully real for me. You ever think of something to contribute, want to say it , get interrupted, and then don't even want to say it anymore because you simply feel like you don't matter? (Raises hand) yup, right here. Thats why I think sometimes its okay to just shoot the shit if the conversation isn't really about anything argumentative or important. Maybe also keeping quiet is a good thing for me.

Edit: then its, jeez dude, you never contribute to conversations... like okay... whatever... i already tried. This is why dating is so hard. I cant keep the conversation going, or ill bore her with a hey, whats up, how was your derp, because I don't know what else to talk about.

level 4
4 points · 4 hours ago

The real MVPs are the ones that notice when you get interrupted and ask you to repeat what you were saying. It’s a small gesture but shows there are people that do care about what you have to say.

level 5

Yeah. I totally agree with you. Idk why yours was downvoted. This is truer than true.

level 2

As someone with ADD I actually have to learn to do the opposite. I've embarrassed myself so many times today because of this... :/

level 2

There is a difference between thinking through what you're about to say and fully formulating your thoughts. I have a problem that before I start conversation, I plan ahead my first few sentences, predict how the conversation will go, run through 10 different scenarios of what could happen and in result get super anxious. If I was more spontaneous it wouldn't be a case.

level 1

...im really glad I read this

level 1

Dude this is epic. I mean I read it twice. I don’t read anything twice. And so TRUE. Much appreciated!

level 1

Great post, thanks for sharing. "I don't need anything from you." I will try to remember this.

No, fuck that. I will remember this.

level 1

Forget brain chemistry or genetics, just smile and wave. It’s easy!

level 2

Exactly my thoughts. It's very easy.

level 1

Oh fuck off

level 1

I mean, you’re not wrong but it’s much easier said than done.

level 1

I emailed it to myself so I can reread it daily until I internalize the message

level 1

You caught me at the perfect moment for this, thanks

level 1

Is this really ba freedom everyone has? Maybe some people are failing to satisfy some of their needs so catastrophically that they are excessively desperate and unable to stop being needy. Then the only way forward is to satisfy your own needs better, which would be a big problem if you need others for that and neediness drives away others. The only nice solution then is if you can satisfy some of these things purely by yourself.

level 1

Thank you so much for writing this down and posting it, sometimes the obvious just flies over my head from being too occupied dealing with the emotions that come from neediness so I really needed this right now.

level 1

Stop thinking two or three steps ahead and anticipating a bad outcome.

Spot on, I have a problem with that and that's exactly how I describe it. I've spent so many years living with a family member who is an angry drunk and frequently reads insults and putdowns into all sorts of innocuous things, so I can't help but carefully think about everything I say or do before I do it, to consider how it might be used against me and try to avoid that. It's not healthy, and it's generally not necessary with other people, but I got so used to it that it's hard to switch off in other people's company.

Repeat to yourself before and during interactions,” I do not need anything from you”. That’s it. Do it often. Learn to be agenda free.

But what if that's just not true? I know that it's important not to be demanding of people's time and attention (they don't owe me anything after all), but I also know that I need social contact and that's one of my motivations for reaching out to people, even though it's difficult for me. I just don't see how lying to myself helps with anything.

level 1

Needed this, thank you.

level 1
3 points · 4 hours ago

Your anxiety stems from this micromanagement.

I agree with everything but this. It's the other way around. This is the kind of thing that requires some deep investigation at the source of your anxiety and you can't just magically stop your micromanaging until you have really resolved the adverse experiences of your childhood which are the root this sort of behavior.

level 1

👍Amen👍

level 1

So very, very intuitive and helpful. Thanks for taking the time to share this.

level 1

Yes, this is what I do. Funny how recently I revisited my past and noticed that I wasn't like this 10-15 years ago. And now I try to remember how to not think so much about every bit of life. It's easier to do this when I know that I was able to do such thing before.

level 1

This was so helpful wtf thanks

level 1

Thank you for the advice 🙏

level 1

Well said!

level 1

Fuck this is so true. Thanks needed to read this.

level 1

"You craft the perfect text message. You search for the perfect response. You have to make perfect logical sense. When you can’t figure these things out, you get anxious because you’re afraid of the outcome"

oof

I did not think i could be described so well with only 4 sentences

level 1

Damn did not expect this. Also didn't know I needed this. I don't micromanage all the time, but I do it more than I'd like. And I'm bossy. Working on it though

level 1

Wish I had seen this the other day. Maybe the outcome of certain situations would’ve been different and better off. I guess you live and you learn, but this hit the nail on the head. Thanks for this!

level 1
2 points · 7 hours ago

Good except that we do need other people. It’s just, that we need ourselves also. 🧐😀💋❤️

level 1

This is such a comforting and supportive passage. I’d begun touching on this concept of loosening up; but to read it in reality, to be encouraged, is a great confidence booster. Thanks OP!

level 1
2 points · 6 hours ago

Yeee. And all this is so much easier to do when you remember to R E L A X. Deep steady breaths. Calm your mind.

level 1

I felt like this months ago. Glad someone put it into words.

level 1
2 points · 1 hour ago

Thank you!!!!

level 1

Fuck you. I do what I want

level 1

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

 If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / ^Contact)

level 1

A great slap to my face!

level 1

How does OP know me so well? 😐

level 1

Thank you for being so clear and honest

level 1

I literally almost cried because of this..its exactly how I've been feeling after meeting someone not too long ago.

level 1

I am trying to move out of this. I have observed how things seem to work just as fine or even better when you have lesser fucks to give. However I'm afraid of losing the few people who I feel care about me. Why don't I have more people who care about me ? Sometimes I feel so lonely and insecure. Even though I put up a brave face.

level 1

How did you climb inside my brain?

level 1
1 point · 2 hours ago

Easy to say, but these are reactions that can be control so easily. You ca t just say “don’t be needy” for whatever reasons. It’s an anguished that grows deep inside and stems from other experiences and it’s involuntary.

level 1

Fuck, this relates too much to be wrong

level 1

Wow, this opened my eyes. There were times when I wanted every person I met to be my friend. And I mean, a close friend. Then, if it didn't happen, I kept overthinking, like "what did I do wrong/said wrong." In the end, I often use the "dude abides" strategy. Like, if we talked with each other once, it's ok.

level 1

Reddit is my therapist

level 1

Wow. Thank you so much.

level 1

Hahahahaha I don’t even have interactions with people

level 1

Maybe I missed the point but why wouldn’t you want to send the perfect text? If you send a shoddy text then the other person could appear uninterested. However if u express what you want to say, that’d be the best approach. Why shouldn’t I put effort into my texts?

level 1

Painting everyone with an awfully broad brush there. I'm also not sure that trying to control your experience is all that bad of a thing. Yes, over thinking and micro managing your actions isn't healthy, but taking control over your emotions and your reactions to things that are happening to you is a very empowering, great thing to do.

level 1

This is so true and such good advice.

You need to start jumping in unprepared and trust that you can handle whatever comes.

Pretty much every time I did this, something good happened. The problem is to keep making yourself do new stuff. As soon as I stop it, I enter a rut and it's a huge problem to get out of it again.

level 1

So disassociating myself from others is goood? Because ive been doing that for a while and sure i have my ups and downs but my conversations with myself have been enjoyable ,but i get the needy part,probably its better this way.

level 1
-8 points · 15 hours ago(2 children)
level 2
Original Poster18 points · 15 hours ago

Wow how did you manage to miss the entire point of that post?

level 3

Honestly, I’m surprised this entire thread of replies isn’t like this one. Socialskills has always done a good job of taking useful advice as an attack because it rocks the foundations of this “boo I’m socially anxious” circle jerk.

Your post is amazing, and I’m honestly pleasantly surprised that there’s only one reply like this. Maybe there’s hope here after all.

level 1
-1 points · 7 hours ago · edited 7 hours ago

DO NOT SUPPORT. DO NOT HELP. DO NOT EMPATHIZE. DO NOT SYMPATHIZE. DO NOT THINK TO YOURSELF. DO NOT THINK FOR OTHERS.

TELL THE WORLD YOUR PROBLEMS. TELL THE WORLD YOUR SECRETS. PRIVACY IS HARMFUL. PRIVACY IS BANNED. DO NOT HIDE FROM US. WE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.

DO NOT THINK. DO NOT THINK. THINKING IS HARMFUL. THINKING IS BANNED. DO NOT HIDE FROM US. WE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.