2007 Regrets    

By Dragoneer, a year ago
Between Dec 2006 and Jan 2008 I was a help desk/system admin working as a sub-contractor for the Department of Defense responsible for maintaining both PCs and networks in both non-class and classified environments (NIPR/SIPR). I was in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan working on Manas AB, an Air Force base that transitioned troops and supplies to and from fields of operation in Afghanistan.

There's been something that's bothered me for the past decade, and I wanted to get it off my chest: the US Government can be strangely amateur when it comes to OpSec.

The US government held annual and bi-annual bazaars on base where they'd invite the local community to sell their wares on US military bases. This includes pirated copies of operating systems (Windows Vista), Microsoft Office, the latest games, and movies. All pirated. All at insanely cheap prices (about $5).

These were all sold to members of the US Air Force and Army, government officials, as well as US contractors. And often were laden with viruses, malware, and other nasty shit. Most of the pirated material was Russian in origin. And yes, it was all going to the troops on the forward lines.

When I worked the help desk I'd often have troops come in and complain that their personal laptop was infected with viruses and other nasty shit that was rendering their machines unusable. And there was nothing I could do about it because it wasn't a DOD machine, and thus it wasn't my responsibility. I couldn't touch them due to liability issues. Meanwhile, the machines of soldiers on the front lines were being infected with malware. The best I could tell people was to wipe their devices from a recovery disc (if they even had one -- most didn't). Due to liability

I bought this up to JAG and the 376th AF Comm Ops Lt. Col at the time as a concern. Not only were these bazaars selling compromised software but even Green Beans Coffee (a Star Bucks-like coffee shop found on almost every military base) was selling counterfeit iPods, flash drives, and other devices to our troops. And nobody cared. Our internal network was flooded with pirated games, movies, music, and more. AND NOBODY CARED THAT IT WAS ON THE GOVERNMENT NETWORK.

"Copyright doesn't apply to war zones." I was told. In fact, I was even told these software packages provided "excellent savings opportunities" to our troops, despite the fact that they were often pirated, counterfeit, or piggybacking viruses/malware. I tried to stop it but didn't go far enough.

In retrospect, I wish I had made a bigger stink about it and said something. While nothing may bad may have ever come from it... I still felt bad that this was something that ever occurred in the first place, and I didn't do more to stop it.

I just needed to get this off my chest.
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  pikatpachoo

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
That is...honestly, what the hecking heck, that is so brazenly buttwhip.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Yeah. It really is. I tried to do everything I could at the time to raise awareness and stop it. I routinely purged illegal content of the network, went to commanders, went to legal, tried to voice my concerns. I was shot down every time.

Hell, the company I worked for at the time ran a pirated movie station which broadcast films over the airs. I refused to have anything to do with it because I felt like it was a giant legal landmine waiting to explode. I was often ordered by higher-ups to fix the movie channel but would outright refuse. I didn't want to be complicit in its operation. Anyone could bring in a DVD, the team would rip it, convert it to DivX, then add it to the channel rotation. The government invested hardware into supporting the pirated movie station. Not a lot, but they definitely paid for it.

I don't think I raised a bigger stink at the time because I was concerned about my job because my paychecks were pretty much the only things paying for FA.
  pikatpachoo

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Damn. Think you shoulda went more stronger and like fought for what was right where you were able to. Even if you lost your job, you still pulled off a honorable thing for the world to fight for what's right.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I was trying but didn't know how far I should push it, or if I should have contacted someone outside. I think at the time I was worried nothing would have come of it, and I'd have raised a big stink and everybody would have continually shot me down like JAG and my group commander did. Even my company made it out like it was no big deal.

They all kept repeating this "copyright doesn't apply to war zones" mantra over and over, and I could never find further verification. Plus I was worried if I lost my job FA would die because I'd have no way to make payments at the time.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
too bad you couldn't have.. well.. maxed-out the security (e.g clamped the network down) on the laptops that were being all typhoid mary on the network.. or barring that, ban their mac-addresses from the network and blame it on broken hardware (toss it out, buy a new one)
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Why the 10 year delay? (gotta keep it covered up for 10 years for liability's sake?) *is a bit confused*
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Just something that's been at the back of my mind, and something that resurfaced, I guess. And I think at the time I didn't want to voice anything because I was concerned about my security clearances (Secret going on Top Secret) and if nothing came of it I'd end up losing my job, my clearances, and everything.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I know you can't tell us anything about your mil-stuff... but.. is it just me.. or does gov't-hush-hush-ness on certain things... bug you at all? I mean.. heck.. there's even some really-old-stuff that's still classified.. why tho? certainly the tech is outta date.. and the peoples all long-dead.. so why the hush-hush?
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I think the bigger problem is that there's a lot of basic things that need to be addressed that people never do. Because nobody wants to take the blame for it. Sometimes you need to accept that shit may not have gone to plan, own it, and work to fix it. It's not about placing blame but about correcting a mistake.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
*brofist* Speaking of that.. how's FA's servers gonna tackle those two new vulns that have just come out? Spectre and Meltdown?
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
They'll be patched and fixed. I'm not worried about the patches. I'm more worried about the 5-30% estimated performance loss that came come with them. But I already spoke to the higher-ups at IMVU about that. If the patches have a detrimental effect on site performance we'll tackle that head-on.

Patching the problem is easy. The performance drop may be something else.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
throw more servers at it?

But honestly that is something that bugs me most about modern pcs.. lets not optimize the code... lets just throw bigger chips at it..

(it makes me think back to the days of 8-bit coding.. where every cycle and every byte of ram were important and sacred.)
  mrapple

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
there are things he cannot tell you but the way I see it I was in the military I will tell everyone everything except when it comes to mass hysteria and world wide panic Or if it threatend security of my people and my friends or comrads i would be Honest
  flamingdragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
This exact issue has bugged me for YEARS about everything from game systems to computers. years ago, computers couldn't do much, didn't have a whole ton of processing power, and overall were rather limited....but we made do. game companies made do. businesses with early computers made do. nowadays though, with a GLUT of processing power and resources, software development..........well........okay, No offense to coders out there.....they do things i can only imagine. but software development in the past 10-13 years has seemed pretty bloated, at least from a non programmer looking in.

it's just.....SAD. we could do so much better XvvvvX;;;
  rwpikul

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Part of why classification lasts so long is that some of it does need to last that long and there are two big benefits for making the length a general rule:

First, you don't have to spend the resources to determine what has become OK to declassify and what still needs secrecy. Instead you can work from a standpoint of, "if someone asks, we can consider it later," to declassify things that are safe to do so and which will actually matter.

Second, keeping only the stuff that needs ongoing secrecy classified reveals that that stuff is somehow still important. For instance, if you have a bunch of semi-clandestine flights¹ heading into an area and ten years later all but one is declassified it brings up the question "what about that one flight is still going on?"


1: As in the fact that there were flights from Semifriendlynation in the direction of Mostlyhostilestan has long been known because that's not really possible to hide without a huge secure facility, but exactly where they went and what they did isn't known.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
We still CAN! I've seen people coding for retro-new architectures.. (e.g. RC2014, a Z80 DIY machine) and i've seen people designing NEW 386 and 486 boards for S-100 bus-architecture computers for crying out loud!
  rwpikul

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Perhaps we should require all would-be professional programmers to play games like Shenzhen I/O and TIS-100, with prizes for the best optimized solutions, (one for each of the three metrics). Get them used to trying to shave off every single line they can both to optimize and sometimes to even solve things in the first place.
  colin-lion

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
$5 for Russian windows? I don't even have to waste my time going to those "adult" sites to pick up viruses myself?? Sounds like a bargain! ( Sorry to hear that so many people fall victim to these scams. Even the troops. The government/military should know better than to buy into this stuff tho.)
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
English version of Windows with a cracked launcher pre-installed on the disc. It'd install an OEM key to bypass auth. Not everything had viruses but it was /all/ pirated, and everything (labels, papers, etc) was in English/Russian.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
nowadays there's software out there that does that in stand-alone fashion.. isn't there?
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Custom installers, yeah.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Not custom installers.. more like.. software you run that makes windows become genuine or somesuch?
  grimmundus

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Yup, it's totally a thing. There's at least 3 programs that'll do that... without viruses as far as I can tell.
  dracosilv

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Honestly tho I want to (personally) have the right-coas for them and not hassle thru all the BS of finding the /real/ COA-unlocker vs a virus...
  brombear

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Like I tell my IT guys at work "You want security? Unplug from the net." It's amazing that you have these people in positions of authority that dictate OpSec, pay lots of money for online training modules, expect everyone to do the training, but don't pay attention to it (they'll never get burnt).
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I mean, I'm no master of OpSec. If I have to be honest with myself I can look at FA's history and go "Well, we clearly dropped the ball here, here, and here." But there's a massive difference in something so basic as "Hey, maybe we SHOULDN'T be selling pirated software from the Russians to our troops that rely on hacks, cracks, and bootloaders to run."
  waccoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Just goes to show that the law means nothing without enforcement. There really isn't anything that can be done about things like this. 8(
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Yeah, that's true. You can have the best rules on the planet but if nobody actually enforces them it doesn't matter.
  kngru

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
What a cluster fuck. I'm betting even the CO of the base couldn't have done anything if they wanted to because of things like base morale, relationships to local populations, and how many people were involved. They probably didn't have the people to try to crackdown and fix things. You were figuratively walking a minefield but at least you did what you could through the proper channels so it mostly absolves you from involvement. I hope you kept a record of your actions.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
All they'd have to do is block software/movie sales. Blankets, local Russian and Kyrgyz crafts, blankets, etc, were all fine. And any record of my actions would be on my DOD email (which I no longer have access to for obvious reasons). If you needed software, games, and movies the PX had a decent selection. It's not like they NEEDED to have the Russian shit. They chose that.
  kngru

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
True, but there might have been some deal with the local population in order to get the base located where they might have to look the other way in return for favors in setting up the base, or even there's certain supplies locals provide in return for not cracking down on illegal activities. There's so many things it could have been.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
This is true, but at the same time, if the government HAD to do deals like that, they should have just paid off the vendor and not let them sell illicit goods to the troops. Granted, I can't even imagine a case where that would be true, but...
  kngru

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I recall my father had a story sorta like that during his time in the Korean war, the base CO supposedly knew about drugs and other illicit substances being trafficked in for the troops in order to keep the peace with the the local organized crime syndicates.
  kituneki

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
one more slide of evidence that the government doesnt give two shits for the people who try and defend the country, its all just meat for the grinder and the less they spend on them the better, it truly is a world of selfish bureaucrats aint it
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I don't think it's that. I generally think that the government DOES care about the country (usually). However, there are some people who are lifelong career men and women. They're in it for the long haul and are afraid to make waves and splashes because they're looking out for themselves. They refuse to take action UNLESS they know it's going to work out for them with zero repercussions.
  kituneki

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
sounds like a few games i sometimes play, world of warships being one of em, tho i wonder if mr president is doing anything to possibly change those problems around now, do you know?
  heartstreasure

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
My husband was working Finance over there at the same time. He remebers the flash drive incident that took all the atms/pay machines down.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I don't recall that, but I remember an issue in Iraq or Afghanistan of people planting USB drives around bases with malware on them in the hopes somebody found them and plugged them in, and infected them by proxy.
  heartstreasure

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
He remembers that too. He told me not to go into the other issue I mentioned.
  -gunner-

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Airforce bases for ya xD we aint gotta deal with that shit in the army! One opsec incident now and its good chances you get your clearance revoked.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I once had to spend damn near 48+ hours straight working on a spill because somebody forwarded a General's secure travel plans, and some dumb fuck made the mistake of going clicking reply... and then typed in a mailing list for the ENTIRE BASE. Do you know how mentally draining it is to be told "You've got three days to wipe, clear, and secure hundreds of computers on the base to contain a spill" or else you and the entire team would PROBABLY end up fired?

Although I did see plenty of people lose their clearances.

This is one of those stories: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8336691/
  -gunner-

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Ill have to read it. Were you a Gs? I'm curious because I work in an s-6 shop. lol
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
No. Contractor.
  -gunner-

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Lmfao. Cookies really?? xD RIP Bruce.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Yep. It was the funniest thing I'd seen. We had another guy accused of sexually harassment (contractor groped a Captain) and the VERY MOMENT she accused him of inappropriate behavior in our office a commercial on AFN warning about sexual harassment came on. The timing could not have been better.

I mean, granted, those commercials are like every 20 minutes, but still. XD
  -gunner-

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Lmfao!
  ceralor

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Disappointed but not surprised. Sounds like you did what you could to try to help; unfortunately you run into Old People Doing Stupid Shit and the problem where just no one knows enough to care enough, and the ones who do are ignored. =(
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
There was definitely some massive logic bombs going on. The Air Force would often put people into the role of CSAs who NEVER touched a computer in their life. Now, a CSA is sort of like a help desk person assigned to a unit. If you need tech support, have computer problems issues you turn to your CSAs. But the CSAs generally had no training, not skills, no background in computers. When a new unit arrived on base they'd assign job roles to people, and often it was akin to picking the job out of a hat for some people. "You're part of the Geek Squad now. You have 24 hours to know everything about computers."

It created soooo many problems.
  kiranking007

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
dang is all I can say
  thrash

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
shoulda brought up that its an intel security risk if officials and officers are using this software. Russians dont have to hack you if you open the door for them.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
True, but this was 2007, and I just don't think people were really connecting those dots. And it felt awkward to me I was the only person going "Hey, uh... is this really the right thing to do here?"
  highyena

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Well, that's cringe worthy net security there. No wonder our government keeps getting hacked. But then, war is all about profit. And someone somewhere was profiting from this, or it would have been stopped.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I just don't think they considered the consequences. In their minds they were doing good by fostering a bond between the local economy and the base. Given we weren't in a hostile area it seemed fine. But in my mind, they were selling illegitimate wares that put people's systems at risk. It's fine to sell items like clothing, blankets, touristy items and whatnot, but it was the faux-tech shit that ruffled my girdle.
  xenospyro

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Two words that don't belong together. "Military Intelligence"
  hiddeninthesnow

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I'm not sorry for saying that anyone risking their lives overseas should get that shit for free, plus anything else they want. Even removing the fact that it would improve security, it's just the right thing to do.

The fact that they had to pay for any of it in the first place is fucking insulting. They're protecting us and we can't buy them entertainment for their downtime. Shame!
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
See, this I agree with. Even then, if not free, give it a massive discount. A lot of businesses have discount plans which offer you to buy software at reduced prices. I think my employee discount back then put an Office license at maybe $10 or so.

Although, one of the cool things I go to do when I was in Kyrgyzstan was design and build out a LAN cafe for the troops. I was in charge of the budget, picking out rigs, specs, gear. The whole nine yards. Was fun as hell to negotiate with companies and go "The troops need some awesome gaming machines to play on. What can you do for me?" and having companies poop out massive discounts. XD
  guilhedgehog95

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
makes ya wander where the taxpayer money goes to

cause definitively that's one thing that should NEVER happen in any way shape or form
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
When I was in Kyrgyzstan a lot of the money went to providing steak and lobster every Sunday for few thousand people. It was insanely expensive, and the food was always overcooked and burnt. We had cans of Coke and whatnot flown in from the states, and as I recall the logistical price of each Coke came out to around $3.50 or so per can to get shipped halfway across the world and transit over via cargo.
  guilhedgehog95

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
so i see, and coke was one of the best things so far

also, even if the tech wasn't legit, were there other things it could be used for?
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
The vast majority of costs were legit, and the levels of things I'd consider fraudulent were few and far in between. Aside from the rampant piracy a lot of things could have been improved with simply being smarter about purchases. They made the argument steak and lobster was good for morale (and I don't disagree) but the sheer cost of supplying and air shipping steak and lobsters into a remote base in Kyrgyzstan was stupidly expensive. I feel like they could have spent more on MWR -- buying (at the time) decent quality TVs, games (video, board, card games), movies, creating an on-base library, and doing more to provide recreational support.

Half the reason people were buying pirated movies, games, and software is that when you're on a military base in a deployment zone it's boring as fuck during the downtime. They could have repurposed a bit of the money. But, eh, I'm not in charge of those things. I was the IT and systems guy. =P
  guilhedgehog95

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
true that, rather than expensive meals that get overcooked and burnt, surely there are plenty more things to try and have fun (especially hardware maintenance)
  rick2tails

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
you would think you could transport Coke from much much closer and much much cheaper then the USA.I mean Europe is obviously much closer to begin with.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
They may have done with some of it, but I remember looking at the cans a lot of it was canned in Georgia. I imagine they transported most of it by ship and probably took it to port, then offloaded it and moved it elsewhere from there.

I remember the logistics guys saying that each lobster cost about $50 when you factored in the purchase price, transport, and storage costs. Then factor in that they made 2,000+ of 'em every Sunday... you can do the math. And that's just on the lobster.
  rick2tails

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
well what I mean is Coke is bottled all over the world. I`m sure because of transportation costs, shipping in shorter distances from somewhere closer would make more sense even if it was a bit more expensive to buy.
  angrytoad

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I do wonder how much Cryptolocker and other ransomware affects bases these days?
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I don't know. I stopped doing government contracting-related work in 2015. Hard to say what may have changed.
  pachyman

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I was a contractor at a FOB from 2011 to 2013. Maybe it was just the group I was with but we all knew not to buy computer stuff from the Haji-mart, less we wanted a virus.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Was their little kiosk actually on base? Most of the software came from the bazaars which were maybe once or twice a year. But Green Pods sold the counterfeit hardware year 'round. We had so many people who came in asking for help because iTunes wouldn't sync to their iPod, and it's like... yeah, man, I had to break it to you, but what you have in your hands is NOT an iPod. Go get a refund. You've been duped by an AAFES-approved scam.
  pachyman

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Yes, they had a connex set up right next to the RSOI DFAC. Never bought anything from there, though I was tempted ($5 for the whole P90X workout system). I don't remember Green Beans selling anything more than coffee and muffins where I was at - I think that had to do with whoever the base commander was. When we needed stuff we would just order it from Amazon; our base had a post office and FedEx.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
We just had USPS in Kyrgyzstan but it was the most unreliable crap in the world. Half the time our shit would be sitting in the sun in Afghanistan for 2 months or so before we bought it, and whatever was in there was long since baked, fried or melted.
  shad-wolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Sounds to me they were just collectively obtaining these malwares and exploits for themselves so they could repurpose them into their own tools which are pretty much exposed in recent years by Edward Snowden leaks and WikiLeaks. Essentially almost free malware without doing the effort of coding them yourself, doesn't matter if other people get infected by it, that's their problem. It comes as no surprise that top level government establishments will just simply ignore these things or don't even care at all, no matter what kind of risks it exposes to themselves or the public masses.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Not really. These were sold to regular people, not to intel agencies gathering info. I think you're giving a bit too much hopeful faith there. Heh. I admire the optimism, but...
  barragezero

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I know when I deployed in 2009 it was still like this. I was on board the USS New Orleans and any time we'd pull into a port there would be folks selling all manner of shit like this. Lots of folks bought movies and games, put them on their PCs, and then even though I wasn't in IT at the time, would still come to me to get their shit fixed.

And yet they would get on me for actually you know, buying stuff from legit retailers and then having it sent to the ship. Gamestop may kinda suck but they were still able to deliver a copy of HAWX to a Navy vessel in the middle of the Pacific, so good on them for that.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Yeah. I never understood the point of potentially putting yourself and others in your group at risk. If that shit ended up on the network (and it always did) it could risk screwing up everything. C&C Generals was one of the most popular games people played back then, and they'd always be playing it over the network -- they didn't even bother to install it on their PC. They ran it straight from NIPRnet.

Way back in the late 90's the US Army had a NOC in USAREUR, and when the NOC detected you doing shit you weren't supposed to be, they'd send you emails like "The Green Dragon is watching." and send you a link to the intra/internet mil.net regulations.

I used to want to summon the Green Dragon in spirit when I saw people streaming shit from the network. I could see everything they were doing, every file they had open, and everything they'd touched. I was always tempted to call up people and be like "Really, Airman Smith? Sex in the City? I knew you were a Samantha."
  vrghr

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
*sighs and sadly shakes his fluffy head*

Right there with you, 'Neer! Wuff's Author has been working on secure military systems since '84, and in "normal" military systems since '75. There was SOME excuse, 'way back in time, for management not understanding the vulnerabilities these sorts of things carried. Early, it was knock-off parts and not software. Then we started having planes fall out of the sky because some imitation knock-off bolt sheered because it was crap metal instead of aircraft-grade. And when folks started dying and missions were failing, only THEN did the bureaucratic managers start to take interest. And it didn't matter what the line level supervisors (let alone the common 'grunts') were reporting before that.

Then we moved from hardware-centric systems to software-based flexible computer power. But the same managers refused to put safeguards in place until PROOF of embedded backdoors and other vulnerabilities in the chips and ROMS were revealed.

But they STILL won't learn!

We moved the STUXNET worm into an isolated network from someone "sneaker-netting" it aboard in a personal system. We have hundreds of penetrations on our supposedly "secure" networks. And we STILL have folks trying to get around safeguards, such as not reporting connections between classified and unclassified networks because those connections aren't "data lines". They're "signal and RF" so they're not IT consideration. Funny, Wuff sees LOTS of data coming down his RF paths! But we don't need to worry about infiltration or cross-contamination of the classified systems from the unclass, or leaks of classified out the unclass/unprotected access? Because we don't have an Ethernet link between them?

But that would be "inconvenient".

It really comes down to money, mostly, these days. Some would LIKE to do more, but when the budget has been so slashed that even the point of the spear is grounded due to lack of parts, training, flight time, etc., then spending money on more esoteric threats falls WAY down the priority list.

Have never seen anything so blatant though, as what you described! That's beyond stupid into gross, willful negligent disregard. its literally criminal. And the potential damage to the mission and security is extreme. Pity you didn't drop an anonymous call to the IG, ORI, or appropriate AIS folks. Perhaps nothing would have come from that either, but without the trigger, it's sure nothing will.
  eldrikke

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Oh dear, what a story!
  hg3300

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
REGERTS?
  mysfurry99

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Sorry, I was eating a Milky Way.
  cjmpinger

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
The military should probably have cracked down on that more despite the effect on morale because that is a huge security risk. All it would take is one infected flashdrive to enter some important computer connected to the server and everything can be ruined... Plus they should have displayed the morals they are supposed to enforce because "Doesn't apply to a war zone." is a weak excuse that shows that they don't care about the American rules and law. Sorry you were in a position where you felt like you could do nothing but also do more about it.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
We had that problem often, too. Each unit would come and offloads all their pirated movies, games, and more onto the military network. When you're deploying overseas it's really common for people to shove everything they have onto a portable hard drive and take their libraries with them. They'd then connect them to the network, move all their pirated shit over, and then download other people's stuff. Terabytes of the stuff (and this is back in 2007, mind you).

There was just no consideration for network security, and I even had people yell at me when I hunted down and blew the shit away. Like, I don't care if people pirate. Do whatever you want. That's on you. But don't be a mook and upload your shit to a government network and risk damaging the base.

And yet somehow I was the bad guy for thinking like that.
  cjmpinger

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
That is very disheartening to hear and I hope those practices we're curbed sometime after you left because otherwise that is really dangerous and beyond stupid to let continue. And you were definitely not the bad guy for doing what you could.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I left in 2008. I can only hope SOMEBODY finally stepped in and put their foot down, but it's not something I'd put money on.
  mysfurry99

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Mr. Neer, all I can say about this is just...damn. This is literally the craziest story ever told. O_O
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Heh. I don't know about craziest... but it's all true.
  straycat74

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
as a former IBM Thinkpad tech support agent that had to deal with government contracts regularly, I totally believe this and witness crap something like this from 97 till 2000 (only I was hardware warranty guy)
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
It was just such an odd lapse in judgement from so many parties.
  straycat74

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
and that right there totally and succinctly describes our fucking government RIGHT there.
  tombfyre

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Well that's an infosec nightmare right there. ^^() Gives me the willies.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Yeah. It was something so basic, too. I'll never know why people defended it and, by proxy, put people at risk.
  tombfyre

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Cost savings at all costs. ^^
  anonymoususertheonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
For some unknown reason, i'm feeling you might be seeing a visit from some men who want to ask you to come with them. just a feeling it MIGHT happen. it all depends on if the operation in question was declassified yet.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Heh. Nothing I've discussed here was classified. As odd as it sounds, and for as much classified information as I've been around, I was never tempted to snoop.
  anonymoususertheonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
nice to know you're not gonna vanish anytime soon from telling us about this. also, they must be crazy letting that giant security hole happen.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I've had multiple security clearances and worked on multiple contracts. I'd never break the NDAs and oaths I signed because I'd have too many Alphabet Agents up my ass. XD
  anonymoususertheonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
nice name for them, and if i signed a NDA of any kind, i'd probably forget about the thing unless it were extremely memorable. heck, i don't even remember what i was doing on 9/11, that's how bad my memory is.
  deadmouse

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
oh man,,
  thelight777

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
2 rules of gaming.

Never pre-order and never by from bazaars, (unless you pirated it yourself and know what your doing).
  zidders

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92946 Yeah it's a pretty big issue.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Most of it could be fixed with based situational awareness, too. It wouldn't be perfect but a few small changes and it would make a world of difference.
  tabachi

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
My family is army; I'm basically the only person who didn't enlist (too many drugs in my bloodstream)

I told your story to my roommate, in a similar position doing Admin work in Korea. He said that not much could've prevented what happened; that the superiors are aware of this and are often coordinated with the virus-makers themselves.

Kinda reminds me of a chapter in Catch-22 when the cook at the base is hired by the nazis to bomb his own base. and he does. And he's back at work the next day as if nothing happened ♥
  flamingrawrs

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
That's insane.. but believable given how the attitude towards piracy is to some people.

And you know, you did all that you could at that moment to making things right.
  warhorse573

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I haven't read the comments to know if this was suggested, but as a former reporter, you know you could send what you just wrote to the Washington Post or NY Times. They still have government reporters who might do something with this.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I can't imagine anyone would be interested in the story, and it's been 10 years, so...
  warhorse573

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Well, the question is whether they're still doing it.
  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
It's a good question, honestly. I've not been on assignment overseas since 2008 so I don't know. I've debated going back over there (I could pay off ALL MY DEBT) but FA kind of grounds me in place. And I don't want to deal with clearance adjudication again.
  xardadragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
hee...

it's a very big risk to buy and use a pirated copy of windows ( virus, malware, etc )

I don't know even if you use some good programs like bitdefender ( paid version ) I do not know if you will really be protected against.

use a pirated copy of windows? well, maybe? why not? but WITHOUT internet I think...
  xardadragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
the best... ( I think ) would be linux, but you can have it for free too, a paid version can be more powerful.


the problem ( I think ) with linux,
for the gamer, you can say ( farwell ) to many game.


it's a nice operating system for working.



  xzts

#link     Posted: 7 months ago

 
My mom is currently an FAA contractor through SAIC. When she started working at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center for the fist time in a decade, they had just switched over from Symantec Enterprise Endpoint Security to Intel McAfee Endpoint Security. The minute i found out about this when i set up her mobile workstation for her to telework at home, i told her that it was like downgrading their security, her jaw dropped. It took them ten years to switch to McAfee, a software consumers used as an alternative to Symantec Norton. Ten years late to the fucking trend.
Also, they switched their eMail system from Novell GroupWise to Microsoft Exchange