I really didn't want to address this publicly, and wanted to keep our personal affairs both personal and private. Unfortunately, a few malicious individuals who found out about this decided to start spreading rumors, going to our friends behind our backs and discussing our private info... and the rumors have spread, and some of the things I'm hearing are as far from the truth could possibly be.
Sciggles and I have separated. It's hard to say that openly and publicly but it is what it is. Sciggles and I have drifted apart somewhat, and our directions and life goals have taken us down different paths. Our separation is a mutual one. Sciggles and I are still best friends, and I consider her one of the closest people in my life. There is nothing devious or malicious between us and we both have nothing but respect and love for each other and want nothing but the best. We are still a strong team and have no plans on stopping that.
Again, I wanted to keep my personal life just that — personal. Sciggles is one of the best things to ever have happened in my life, and I don't regret a single day that's gone by with her in my life.
Honestly I wish that was how everyone thought, it really should be something thats between us and its unfortunate that this post needs to be made. But better that everyone know the truth than run around with negative rumors.
I understand drama happens and there are some situations I get people do it. but this there was no reason too. Sad to hear as always but its your guys life, this isnt People Magazine. Just hope you are both doing well afterwards and hope life is happy on the separate paths.
Well then I surely wouldn't have known about it. Shame that these people want to spread rumors and what have you. Hoping this gets resolved and left alone.
I felt the need to address it head first before the rumors went further. Both to confirm, but also to dispel some of the narrative some people are adding onto it.
Thats because I am with Firenvy. We've been friends for a while and started dating recently. Neer and I didn't feel like we needed to post our relationship details or explain things at the time but we hit a point that we had to clarify things /now/ even though I don't feel we owe an explanation for our personal lives better to knock the rumors down now before they grew further.
If you are looking at my Sciggles profile it says member because I keep them separate. This is my admin account and is still marked as such on my end. Not sure if its showing member to others or why if so.
That is just terrible! D: I haven't heard any of these rumors and I don't trust rumors in general. Backstabbers are one of the worst people to have in your life. It hurts you very badly that you put all your trust in them.
My biggest issue is people twisting the truth, adding speculation and rumors as far as what happened and why, then broadcasting it all over. I've seen a few tweets about it, and it's just like "Oh, I guess Furry TMZ is out and about, looking for anything they can get."
Sorry to hear that. One of the many reasons why don't like the fandom n spend more time with my non furry friends , the online keyboard wannabe warriors out there just piss me off, getting involved in private matters n posting online, just pure arseholes.
I am sorry to hear what has happened to you. While I do not know you personally. Private life should be kept private and it's sad to see you resorting to posting this publicly to address the malicious rumours. It's a shame you are put into a position where your only compromise was to address it in a journal. I very much wish all the best to you and Scgiggles. In hope lets hope that things can be resorted more easily. It's very easy for people to get the wrong impression or perception when there is no context to changes.
Quite frankly, it is none of our business what your personal life entails. However at times like these it seems necessary for you to address and fix the issues others have caused.
I didn't want to address it, but I was tired of seeing people twist and warp what actually happened without knowing anything about it. It's just easier to put it out in the open and go "Yes, it happened, but we're still besties!" and move on.
I have not heard any of these rumors personally. It is so terrible that people are spreading ANY rumor about you guy's personal affairs at all. I'm sorry this happened to you guys. As long as you guys stay strong, happy, and healthy that is what should matter
...You would think people have better thing to do then spread shit around...but, I guess it's not called 'Internet Hate Machine' for nothing. Well here's hoping it dies down quickly now that it's...unfortunately out in the open. Glad to see it was a mutual separation, however. Those are always the best, where you can still be friends after it all.
I was and am in a similar situation, and it's amazing how nosy and unfriendly people are, especially with spreading rumors. I wish the best for both of you and I'm glad you two are moving forward while staying so positive towards one another.
I'm sorry to hear that you two split, but at least you're handling it like adults (both with the separation and this). I'll never understand why others want to pry into other's personal lives, are their own private lives that boring?
Sorry to hear about the separation, but glad you two have remained friends. It's a shame that you have to also deal with a few people that derive joy from spreading gossip/rumors/crap about it, when, as you say, it's no one else's business. Hope you two remain the best of friends as you explore your own paths. :3
Don't those assholes have anything better to do than breach on other peoples lives? I don't see the need for people to be spreading rumors once they got word. even if it's the slightest bullshit. (Quote me if you want, i personally don't give a damn)
ANYWAYS I'm very sorry for you, Dragoneer and Sciggles. May the best be with you as you part ways. It was fun while it lasted. and unfortunately as they say, things don't last forever.
Hey man, there's no shame in admitting any of this. Life happens, and sometimes relationships don't last. It's shitty that people were spreading rumors and shit, but you shouldn't feel ashamed or anything that things didn't work out.
I get you want to keep your personal business personal, but you're a very visible member of the fandom. It's kind of difficult to avoid that forever, and particularly on something like this. Eh, I don't even know. It's good you two split on decent terms, at least.
It's true. I'm visible in the fandom, which comes with its own pros and cons. It's near impossible to have a bad day and try to vent without things being taken out of context, or people to misinterpret things.
That's one of the reason I don't really get in on the "bash 'Neer/the admins for the shit of FA". You guys are running this on your own, and you're only human. Mistakes happens, nobody's perfect. And do you guys even make any income on this? Because for what this is for a free site, people get a fucking lot. But maybe I'm a sucker for underdogs. XD
They literally aren't running the site on their own though. Dragoneer sold FA to IMVU and IMVU is paying the admins to run the site but I dont think Dragoneer told IMVU the full scope of what FA is as a site because of all the issues that popped up like the ADS, for starters.
They aren't underdogs. They're just people who don't know how to handle things personally versus professionally.
Probably because they aren't professionals? Dude, what the hell do you want here? They're people. People fuck up sometimes, and sometimes they have to work with what they have available. I'd rather have an FA owned by IMVU than no FA at all.
Sorry that I'm willing to give sympathy to the people everyone else hates. Fuck me, I guess I'm a terrible person. Should I head for Calvary, or you want to just crucify me here in front of all these people?
Exactly. The second you start pulling in a regular paycheck, professionalism becomes a requirement. That's why it's called professional in the first place -- it's stopped being a hobby and turned into an actual job.
I didn't want to respond to this thread because it's Neer's personal journal and not the place to make a deal out of addressing ridiculous site rumors, but it's looking like y'all won't drop it.
Administrators are volunteers. I'm not pulling in a penny, much less anything that deserves the name 'paycheck' off of the time I sink into FA. We're still doing our best to handle issues promptly and professionally, but please do not go around perpetuating the rumor that we're all raking it in since the site was bought out.
I'm fine with not being paid. I'm not fine with people going around claiming I am paid.
Maybe it's time people stop pretending they know what's going on in site staff's personal lives, in general?
Neer is not multiple people. It was claimed that "IMVU is paying the admins", not "IMVU is paying Dragoneer".
I'm not going to argue about this, because bickering on his journal is disrespectful to Neer, but please stop rumormongering. It doesn't look good on anyone, yourself included.
I'm not going to hide your comment, Trunchbull, but I am going to say that it's rather tasteless to bring some hostility into a post like, especially when I've outright stated my respect and care for her. I don't know what you're intending to start but please leave your drama at the door.
also, I'm still getting harrassed by jasonafex's whiteknights and you haven't addressed any of the messages I sent you. this may not seem like the appropriate time but any private message i send to you gets ignored. the death threats need to stop and you not doing anything isn't funny or professional. tell jasonafex to straighten his ass up.
I wouldn't be this mean toward you if you did your job for once.
I DID MULTIPLE TIMES ON DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS and no action was taken because those accounts aren't POPUFUR while jigglebones is. And my fucking journals got taken down for harassment and other bullshit claims like personal quarrels when there was no such thing, all because it was in the timespan of the jasonafex drama. I don't remember everything due to the hit-and-run but screenshots and archives don't lie, so I know everything that went down, mein fuhrernd
it's not just notes though. i've talked to him through journal comments and I TRIED with twitter but he flatout ignored. just ignored. And I even mentioned to him on twitter that i sent him a note. ignored. He's not a competent employee.
Really man? This journal has nothing to do with your personal isues. Why would they even want to help you when you're being an outright dick? You brought unsolicited drama to a journal that was trying to CLEAR drama. What is wrong with you people? It's words on a screen dude. Get over it and grow up. Stop being a douche to people and then flip around and DEMAND their help. Jesus they are actual people too
that's easy enough to declare friend but what actually happens is often a different story behind those closed doors. You've lied enough about personal life and the wellbeing of FurAffinity as a site to make your word hard to believe. so, sorry it's kind of hard to believe what you're saying. but, whatever makes both persons of this look good, right?
Now we all know that suicide is not an option. As long as you don't take action against a popufur's account, you're allowing this kind of behaviour to occur with people like Jasonafex, Zaush, and Trunchbull. Suspend or talk it out. Making her close her account isn't the point.
Popular users on this site get to be exempt from the rules due to the page views they pull in. It doesn't matter how blatantly they break the rules, the admins will find some reason to not take action if the watcher count is high enough.
She caused all this trouble and heartache and depression and just plain shat allover your future family plans forever and you're just going to pretend like nothing happened?
What's next? Giving admin status to her new bedbuddy for good measure to show you're all still friends and stuff?
She caused all this trouble and heartache and depression and just plain shat allover your future family plans forever and you're just going to pretend like nothing happened?
You posted an earlier journal where you complained about depression and lack of artistic creativity/motivation. Separation hurts. It does this kind of stuff to you.
You have been made to feel bad.
And she doesn't look like she's hurting about it, drawing herself with hearts and shit.
Maybe I'm out of place saying this, but I think Dragoneer knows better what's going on in his own relationship than you do. It's kind of rude to say "you have been made to feel bad" when Dragoneer himself has told you that the relationship issue has nothing to do with his depression and lack of motivation.
Please respect when people dispel rumors about themselves.
Sure it has nothing to do with it. It's just one hell of a damn coincidence that his relationship going down the drain happens to be around the same time with him feeling a bit kinda not very happy and creative. And everybody can't seem to understand why.
Just cause you people won't have the balls to say it, I'll say it for you. This shit hurts, and one person in this crappy failed love triangle has gotten the short end of the stick and is most likely hurting the most, cause the other two seem all too lovey-dovey and shit to care, and their lip service in this thread means nothing to me, cause I wasn't born yesterday. I can smell bullshit from a mile away because my own trust was abused.
Maybe I'm bringing my own issues into this, but I feel that I need to say these things.
Also, I'm not even going on rumors (which turned out to be true, as this very journal shows), I'm at this point going on official info alone. Sciggles' Twitter, her BF's twitter, Neer's journals. I'm just connecting the dots.
Please don't assert your feelings into what you /assume/ we are feeling. As I said below how I feel and how I express it is my business and you have no right to try and push these other ideas out there as fact. Some parts of my life and things that lead to this will remain private and yes I do ask that that be respected. If you can't drop it and stop trying to make it out like I've caused his depression I will take it as harassment. So kindly knock it off.
You are incredibly rude. You're not talking TO her but you're talking ABOUT her, and she's not allowed to defend herself? What is wrong with you?
You got called out on incorrect speculation, got embarrassed, and told one of the involved people basically to butt out of her own business. I'd be absolutely humiliated at my behavior if I were you.
Aww sorry to hear about the separation! I hope all will be well in the future for you guys though, and stuff like that happens unfortunately. Happened to me with one of my exes, and we're best friends still :) If you need to talk hit me up through a note X3
Yes that it definitely can, and also the thing that changed my relationship with my ex girlfriend at the time. Stuff happened, then like...we spoke and we mutually broke up. However, we support each other as much as we can still, and I hope you can still do that with your ex :)
Aww. I am sorry to hear that. You and Sciggles made a fantastic team together. I do wish the both of you well on your separate adventures. I am also sorry people were rude to talk about something that wasn't their issue to discuss. Rumors are despicable things. Best wishes to you both. I've always enjoyed seeing the comics of the two of you together~ n.n I am so happy you are still close and great friends~
Ah, the rumor mill. :/ This is definitely none of my business, but it sounds like you're both being very civil about things. That's usually a good sign. :) Good luck to you both!
well, it was obvious lately, with the posts and journals from you and her, it kind of made me feel worried. of course, we all seen what were going on, and even this isn't our private life, it's like everybody feels like the need to be excessively open about everything on social networks. i'm trying to stay as disconnected from this kind of stuff as much as possible but there's info you can't avoid now.
It never once crossed my mind dude, but i'm so glad that things ended peacefully and that you're still great friends, that is wonderful! Keep strong and carry on, and if ever you wannae talk or whatever, know i'm always there for you~
Off-topic, I wouldn't even want to deal with Trunchball either if that's how they're going to act on a personal journal, all because they didn't get their own way. Maybe if they shown some respect to the admins, they'd be dealt with. Acting like admins aren't fragile humans.
On-topic, hope things work out and that this separation doesn't go further away from being close friends.
I love when Administration only hide the stuff that exposes the truth, and leaves critical commentary like this to the public like Trunchbull was ALL in the wrong.
I never said Trunchbull was in the wrong, nor do I agree with admins hiding comments.
But with the type of bullshit they're throwing out, it's not helping their cause. Dragoneer is only hiding comments so that drama doesn't unfold in the wrong place.
You really want something done about it, go e-mail IMVU's CEO directly. Guarantee that you'll get somewhere.
You may also open a trouble ticket and get assistance here.
While the block system may assist users in resolving unwanted contact in most cases, we have little tolerance towards users making threats.
I saw some comments about messaging staff directly; however, this goes against Fur Affinity's Code of Conduct. We ask that users do NOT contact staff directly via Notes, shouts, or comments. Site issues should handled via the ticket system in almost every case.
Not arguing for or against anyone, but trouble tickets are often handled so painfully slowly, that I don't blame users for noting or leaving shouts. I get you guys can't do everything at once, but tickets can back up for MONTHS and never be addressed. It's still happening, so obviously more recruits need to be taken up. And when it's something upsetting like death threats, you want it taken care of. I've seen many people report things but then finally 3 months later an admin gets to it and says it happened too long ago for them to do anything. That's flawed and needs to change.
I agree that in the past, ticket response times left a lot to be desired; however, our responses are pretty quick now with exception to Beta/UI/Bugs which require troubleshooting and more back/forth.
A "cuck" is a man paired with a woman that is sexually active with other men. It came from that Zoe Quinn fiasco; they referred to his ex-boyfriend as a cuck since Quinn allegedly slept with other people. It's been a persistent slang word ever since.
O man, that's a real bummer to hear :( I'm glad to hear that it wasn't something negative and you guys are still close though <3 Even more sad that I first heard about it through these malicious rumors. Wish people would mind their own business~ *hugs* I love you guys <3
good god the aggressive bitching here is just beyond ridiculous. :/ I'm so sorry you have to even deal with this preyfar. I wish you both the best & some much needed peace from some of these folks <3 Your lives are your own to manage - not everyone elses.
I'm sorry to hear this, and I wish both you and Sciggles all the best in your future endeavors. Your candor and professionalism in dealing with a very public facet of a deeply personal issue is a credit to you both.
It's sad that people have to be asinine enough to cause problems, nevertheless ones that meddle with secrets and relationships. Dragoneer, I feel bad for you having to go through that, but at the same time, I do hope you and Scriggles still kick ass together, and continue to build a stronger fur-community here.
Maybe if you stepped down from running the site, you might find yourself under much LESS of a magnifying glass, because frankly, the decisions you've made over the last few years have made many a person simply come to not really liking you. At all. And perhaps, that is what has influenced the decision to air things like this out in the open.
But really, keep anything you don't want found out off the internet. Almost anything can come back to bite you eventually.
Im sorry you two split. But it is good to hear you two are entirely on good terms about it. I never heard any rumors going around, but i tend not to believe them most of the time
You and Scigs are both awesome people and a credit to this community. Keep on doing what you do best <3
I second the furs who said that they didn't want to know. That's all your business.
Personally I think it's garbage that some furs feel the need to destroy what they can, but at the same time, we're a society that relishes in shadenfreude. It really is the dark side of fame, and it sucks.
Hope things clear up, and those responsible figure out something else to do. I would say someone else to pester, but it's better to hope that the behavior gets old.
Gosh, I'm so sorry that you drifted apart, and horrified rumors were being spread. I haven't heard any, But I don't really go seeking it out. Very glad to hear you'll continue being so close <3
Goes to show how mature people can be and bring up petty crap they have no idea of behind the scenes or even how long this has been going on. Neither of you deserved that. Someone's relationship status is no-body's business. PERIOD. Some people can't get out of their own asses sometimes.
I'm sorry what happened happened and I wish you both the best. I'm glad you could remain friends. I know breakups don't always happen that way and you are fortunate for that.
I'm sorry to hear you two have seperated. Honestly, I'm glad you're both still friends, though.
I still love both your artworks, and I may not agree with everything that goes on with the site, but I surely don't see the need to invade anyone's privacy over it.
Honestly, a bit sad to have heard this at all, I didn't know before, and I kinda don't think I wanted to know. I hope you're both doing well, though, and I hope that things settle down so you can move on. (Move on from the rumors, I officially declare that you and Sciggles must remain friends... FOREVER. I can't do that? Fine. >: ( ) But yes, these sorts of things should never be brought to light publicly in any manner, unless it's done by the actual involved parties. Major downside to this whole "Internet" thing.
Unfortunately those in the eyes of many see all incorrectly. As it goes in the Entertainment industry, so does it anywhere else. The more famous you are the more your personal life becomes one with your public. Trust me, I know how shit it is, I work with people who know how shit it is. But you're a quote unquote celebrity in the eyes of the fandom, and your dirty laundry is unfortunately going to be ruffled through by those with too much time and too little to do. Sorry for the breakup, mate, I know how hard those are mutual or not. But if you get back on the horse and keep it going you'll get a move on, don't worry~
That surely had to be one of the hardest posts in sure you've made here, 'Neer. I'd say I'm sorry to hear you two have gone separate paths but the fact you're still close is the good I can take from this. I do know it can be a struggle still, because it is a big shift in your life. I wish nothing but the best for the two of you!
As someone who is currently in the exact same scenario as you in my love life. I understand how hard it must be if on top of that, if people start spreading rumors about it too. I wish you a lot of strength! And I wish you both the best in your futures! :)
Celebrity culture is a strange one... even if you're only popular in a subgroup like furries or YouTubers, you'll still get so many people closely following everything you do. I hope you deal with this stress accordingly.
I was curious about what was going on from noticing a few things. But I didn't want to ask or push anything for the simple reason you said alone. I'm sorry to hear what has happened and sorry to hear what your friends have said. I still think you two are the best still out there. Either way, again. My greatest heart out their for you all and hope many amazing friendship more to come.
By the way, if this doesn't really make much since or anything. Sorry, running on nearly no sleep for 2 days at the moment. Goodnight! xD
Hey Everyone is happy that's what matters! i never listen to peoples rumors anyway! you will always be tops in my books Dragoneer! you were one of the First people to write to me As "preyfar" On Big gulp Message board i believe it was. <3
Depression hurts it can make life feel very heavy and weighted down. I've suffered with it for years... it's sad to see your life being flashed like a news feed. Being so out in the open has to be very hard emotionally and physically. I can't offer much but support and an ear if you ever need one. Depression bi polar etc... doesn't get better with medication on its own it takes a support system of understanding people around you and knowing signs to help manage it.
There also could be support groups in your area for you to talk with. But... if your like me the furry thing tends to be one trigger I can't talk about just to anyone. I'm worried about being judged -.-; but if I can help anyway please don't hesitate to ask
People like to stick their nose where it doesn't belong, heck had a drama bomb fall on me last year, over very very very false rumors. Gotta love the internet's * you're guilty before proven innocent * mentality.
Who exactly are you to claim to know how I feel or what this has been like for either of us? We didn't want to make our relationship "issues" public but felt we had to and it was damn hard. Just because I don't post about crying or hurting doesn't mean I haven't had my share of pain. I just choose to express myself differently and I don't feel there is anything wrong with that nor is there anything wrong in how Neer wishes to express himself. There is however something wrong with you trying to turn this on me when we are trying to clear the air of rumors. You are adding to the pettiness in all this and would appreciate it if you would refrain from making such assumptions.
She does feel bad. We both do, but we both agreed that we each need to move on. There's been a lot of other mitigating factors which have lead to what's going on, most of which I haven't broadcast publicly. But again, I have no ill will or issue towards her.
Personal stuff shouldn't be public, that I can agree on. Although, if a husband and wife team are the Administrators of a site, then your personal problems are affecting your professional life.
All this doesn't really matter though, FA will forever remain the site of empty promises and "We'll do better" journals. All words and zero action.
I know we don't see eye to eye often, and as such have butted heads, but there's some desperate ass people in here for entertainment or drama where there is none.
Hope you both are doing well and glad to see you both handling things in a healthy and responsible way.
As separations go, mutual ones where you remain friends are pretty much the best-case scenario. Sorry that's where life took you both, but sometimes that's what happens. Better to talk it out and part ways now, than let it grow into something that kills the fondness you still have between each other, yanno?
Hadn't expected this, but I'm not the most observant person on the planet, and I don't go digging for rumors about my friends or coworkers, so... You know where I'm at if you need me.
I'm sorry to see all the negativity going on here, neither of you deserve a lick of it. Keep your chin up, your friends close, and work through this silly little thing we all call life. I'm sure this is tough on both of you, but you both seem to be in the best of spirits and taking it well as can be expected. Keep on soldiering, and good luck to you both!
Yeah but sadly Sciggs and Neer, this is the furry fandom. A lot of people in it lack the common sense to know what is and what isn't their business. Sorry to hear you've been dealing with this amount of grief from people who went about spreading rumors just so you'd give in and make a public journal to satisfy their curiosity. People really have no respect these days.
Part of me wants to say that it's not my business and another part of me doesn't want to look like a jackass when I refer to Neer and Sciggs and I'm the only one who didn't know.
Wow, I've been out of the loop on this until i read Susan's journal on her birthgiving. I was like, "new guy, who dis¿", followed by a, "wait, wat¿!", and then immediately wondered when this happened.
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