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6e3d3b (11)  No.12020142>>12021357 >>12022101 >>12022111 >>12079887 >>12192842 >>12280163 >>12594211 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNhFJjGcMPqpuYfxL62VVB9528NXqDNMFXiqN5bgFYiZ1/its-time-for-the-permanent-web.html

http://archive.fo/1eLvd

http://archive.fo/HCIT5#selection-97.0-113.206

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/avoid-hosting-of-illegal-material/48/19

HTTP is a lost cause and our popular archival services can only be relied on for so much, and for so long. Perhaps, as our enemies rely on keeping our contact severed and our information restricted, we should be brainstorming ideas on decentralisation and better methods of reliably preserving data and communicating with one another.

Pic related was hacked up in GIMP earlier today, but IPFS can potentially take the concept much, much farther. Filecoin will replace traditional hosting services, mesh tunnelling will replace paid VPNs and content aggregators will replace forum monoliths. But on what other fronts can we stand to gain an edge from? One interesting idea has been toyed with:

https://github.com/smugdev/smugboard

And there is already a growing number of IPFS-based chat services out there. So where else can easily-self-hosted content/databases and p2p projects help us?

8b48c5 (2)  No.12020164>>12020172 >>12020205 >>12020297

>data-sharing application that is designed to recover files using hashed content addresses(links pointing to the content) rather than IP addresses(links pointing to the location)

so the content addresses gotta be somewhere, right?

are they at… an IP address?


8b48c5 (2)  No.12020172>>12020205

>>12020164

and is there a place on the whole internet that ISN'T an IP address?

or maybe I'm just retarded


6e3d3b (11)  No.12020205>>12020231 >>12020257 >>12044376 >>12082332 >>12269715

>>12020164

>>12020172

IPFS runs at a higher level of abstraction than the TCP/IP protocol we generally depend on to contact each other. However, it isn't dependent on any particular host, or any particular protocol, to serve content. Nor does it depend on domain name severs or most of the bottlenecks that hold the web back today. Peers are generated by, and discovered through a modified DHT. It's basically a single, global torrent swarm.

https://ipfs.io/#how


9f47d6 (1)  No.12020231>>12020251

>>12020205

does a IPFS website needs a seeder to be kept alive?


ff7ebd (5)  No.12020241>>12020251 >>12020264 >>12020414

the way I see it.

ipfs sites will still be taken down for free speech and other illegal activities.

how do you see it?


6e3d3b (11)  No.12020251>>12020264 >>12082249

>>12020231

Yes, as does any content. And as well as the inherent 'bitswap' method of providing content that other peers want, there has been a cryptocurrency conceived purely to incentivise the seeding of content:

https://github.com/ipfs/specs/tree/master/bitswap

https://coincentral.com/filecoin-beginners-guide-largest-ever-ico/

>>12020241

In order to take down a single IPFS file, one must physically take down every single node on the network that is hosting it or part of it. In comparison, HTTP service can be denied by interfering with content delivery networks, domain registrars, ISPs, or the content hosts, to name a few. Which do you see as an easier target?


4c52a9 (1)  No.12020257

>>12020205

That's actually one hell of a value proposition.


ff7ebd (5)  No.12020264>>12020266 >>12020279 >>12021862

>>12020251

>>12020241

>must physically take down every single node on the network that is hosting it

how do I access the site after https://www.ipfs.io has blocked my unique url?

>I am asking for my self and all the other normies on this topic.


5bd692 (2)  No.12020266>>12020274

>>12020264

>incorrect usage of greentext

>doesn't understand IPFS at all

lurk moar


ff7ebd (5)  No.12020274>>12359314

>>12020266

implying that everyone here understands ipfs

>muh only way to use greentext

>>>/suicide/


6e3d3b (11)  No.12020279>>12020310

>>12020264

ipfs.io is just the official gateway, for the purpose of accessing content through the HTTP-based web. If you have IPFS installed, you can either grab it yourself with "ipfs get [hash]", or use your localhost gateway, or somebody else's.


464467 (2)  No.12020297>>12020310 >>12021296 >>12188485 >>12189776 >>12192769

File (hide): f68673090fc1e9b⋯.png (127.67 KB, 887x305, 887:305, konrad_zuse_most_news_in_a….png) (h) (u)

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>>12020164

content is stored at potentially thousands and millions of IP addresses. that's the whole point of IPFS. the ADL ziokikes and glory hole @Jack and (((Zucc))) and the libcuck blacked CEO of Cloudfront and the PRISM partners AT&T (BLARNEY) and Verizon (STORMBREW) and Sprint (OAKSTAR) and the NSA can take down one IP address or a network of IP addresses, but they can't take down all IP addresses.

think of IPFS as the equivalent of the Glock in escalating the Internet arms race against The Powers That Be. the Internet race has become exceedingly dismal since the fond days when dew-eyed hippy idealism about the Information Superhighway dominated the mindscape in the 1990's. arguably, the Internet arms race is already a lost war, reducing us to isolated guerilla hit and run tactics and the eventual extinction of the old cypherpunk dream that Information Wants to Be Free and that the Internet Interprets Censorship As Damage and Routes Around It.

the (((you know who's))) are nearly on the verge of turning the Internet in America into the Internet in Totalitarian Communist China.

me amigo, i'd say it is a moral duty of any denizens of these here chans under this looming New Dark Age to run an IPFS node and donate your bandwidth and disk space to the cause of Freedom of Speech to mirror and keep shadowbanned and suspended content alive and available and free on IPFS.

btw, images are pages from the autobiography "Konrad Zuse: The Computer, My Life"

http://

download1.libgen.io/

ads.php?md5=0AD1C48B9B3B034C9F23471285198476


ff7ebd (5)  No.12020310>>12020433

>>12020297

>>12020279

I have read about ipfs 1 or 2 years ago and I was excited about It, I just didn't know how to bring it to use.

I think I will use it for some projects and I will also consider hosting.

I think many are already sponsoring their bandwith for torrents and they will also host ipfs when they see that it has more benefits to society than hosting jewish movies.


5bd692 (2)  No.12020356>>12020432

>>12020341

not going to that botnet, but does it use the data: URI scheme with base64 encoding?


ff7ebd (5)  No.12020368>>12020432 >>12269722

File (hide): f26382a60c3051e⋯.png (426.17 KB, 1728x2734, 864:1367, bitty.png) (h) (u)

File (hide): b9274e9a2744bdc⋯.jpg (115.07 KB, 756x553, 108:79, jewish portrait.jpg) (h) (u)

>>12020341

>use this website to archive your data goyim


464467 (2)  No.12020414>>12021296

File (hide): dd40dd9cf2feb5f⋯.gif (4.11 MB, 327x251, 327:251, josey_wales_spit.gif) (h) (u)

>>12020241

way i sees it, you're espousing that ol' bull of self-defeating self-fulfilling prophecy surrender, which is all too common round here.

if you never bother to try because you think you'll fail, then you have already failed.

instead of letting the slave's mentality guide you, why not think like a fucking warrior?

please, by all means, let the Federale door kickers come and get me and seize my IPFS node. I WANT THEM TO. because i want to be the first Court case to make it all the way to SCOTUS to force The State to definitively decide for the Law of the Land whether participating in a decentralized anonymous encrypted p2p network is Free Speech or is Illegal Speech. choose door number 1, and Free Speech continue as normal, escalating to hide in ever more uncensorable crevices. choose door number 2, and ban IPFS, and tip your hand to the general public that they do not really possess any Free Speech and that TPTB can arbitrarily decide whether your speech is illegal. either door is a win for the long-game. throwing yourself onto the burning pyre to become a free speech martyr is one of the greatest achievements anyone could accomplish.


a2fe93 (1)  No.12020432

>>12020368

>literally cannot read

Fuck off.

>>12020356

Here’s the GitHub for it: https://github.com/alcor/itty-bitty


6e3d3b (11)  No.12020433

>>12020310

>when they see that it has more benefits to society than hosting jewish movies

Au contraire, a good enough platform for movie piracy may just be what swings a heavy amount of laymen towards the idea of IPFS.


c42efd (1)  No.12020461>>12021296 >>12024077

Do you know what's the problem with your project? I mean apart from bugs (it is in alpha) and the fact that it hungrily eats up slow connections.

There is currently absolutely nothing interesting there that one can't find on clearweb. Populate it with something that is easy to grab but which forces you to connect. Then we start talking about a useful project.

I mean, seriously. We have all these "new" (or old) types of networks. Onion, Zeronet, I2P, usenet, etc. etc.. And all of them offer nothing that you can't find on clearweb, they are all underpopulated, and just begging for people to come over. And the only people that actually do are into CP or some shit.

Seriously. Give us some serious content, create a /pol/ home for us, and you may get some people to transition.


699dcc (2)  No.12021296>>12021302

>>12020297

>New Dark Age

Anon, you are aware the (((Dark Age))) is a jewish meme to represent a time when jews were barred from political, economical, academic, or media activity in the White Man's land, aren't you? Using this expression to represent the White man makes you a shabbos goy.

>censorship is bad

Censorship is perfectly fine when it protects a a nation against degeneracy. This distinction is important because free speech is a jewish vehicle that allows jew to express degeneracy and destroy the moral character of the nation they've infected. Jewish power lies in their ability to think up the most depraved shit and express it through voice, amplified by movies, television, and Internet, which is the most dangerous of all vehicles since no barrier exists to prevent their depravity from reaching every toddler and granny across all races and nations. It allows them to amplify and embolden their nigger proxies and sandnigger golems against the White man.

>>12020414

> the long game is pleb hate against censorship

That's not how the game is played at all. You don't even know the rules and erroneously make these dumb conclusions. The game is simply this: rig everything against Whites, but not against the shitskin hoards. There will be no shitskin plegs rising up against censorship against Whites. The issue isn't which type of speech is acceptable or not, but censorship which proceeds White genocides by jewish proxies.

>be judicial court martyr

This isn't a battle that will be won in courts, anon. That boomerthink belongs on plebbit, not in /pol/. Lurk 2 years before speaking again.

>>12020461

> the problem is this

IPFS is a great censorship platform, but it needs to be easily accessible, particularly by Whites whom most need it. Make a smartphone app that simplifies access and you'll become golden.


699dcc (2)  No.12021302

>>12021296

> be IPFS censorship-proof


373315 (1)  No.12021357

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6cb7bf (1)  No.12021548>>12021650 >>12021857

This isn't /pol/ cunt. Fuck off.


822f9a (1)  No.12021650

>>12021548

sage negated


bd07cb (1)  No.12021680>>12021857

this website will be alive for as long the internet is alive, all you need is a way to execute userscripts in your browser and then simply visit any website and add /bratwurst.kompani at the end of URL

// ==UserScript==
// @description this is the motherfucking website
// @name bratwurst.kompani
// @match http*://*/bratwurst.kompani
// @version 14.88
// @run-at document-start
// ==/UserScript==
document.getElementsByTagName("html")[0].innerHTML = "<body><marquee><p>KRAUT DANCE PARTY 24/7</p></marquee><br><br><center><video loop autoplay src=\"https'':''//a.doko.moe/putukw.webm\"></video></center><marquee><p>JUDEN VERBOTEN</p></marquee></body>";
document.title = "bratwurst ist gut";


934451 (7)  No.12021857

>>12021680

Nobody cares about your Delete System32 faggot >>>/oven/

>>12021548

IPFS is used in >>>/pdfs/ for books and archives, so we are technically /poltech/ here.

IPFS is just BitTorrent on steroids if you can't into Linux then just use https://orion.siderus.io/


934451 (7)  No.12021862

>>12020264

IPFS has many gateways, GG

https://ipfs.github.io/public-gateway-checker/

Also learn2 command-line. Or use Orion if you are weak


1a6b0c (1)  No.12021883

>>12021519

>, even thought they were affected by geoglacial changes as has been proven by ice-core samples.

Hey sounds interesting, got a link to the paper(s)? I'm at work and wondering how to fill the last few hours.


4763b1 (1)  No.12022101

>>12020142 (OP)

also check out mediadrop. it's a neat open source video hosting software.


5ede3b (1)  No.12022111>>12024077 >>12024158

>>12020142 (OP)

Maybe some /tech/ fags can jump in, but if a site has HTTPS, it should be possible to use IPFS as an authoritative archive.is alternative, no?

As in, capture the whole HTTPS transaction - and because we have the whole transaction, we can prove that the content is undoctored?

Is that what this does:

https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

Requesting that /tech/ fags create a pleb-friendly frontend for the above.

Also, for Tweets, DMS's, or any other short message that needs to be highly censor-resistant: memo.cash


0bca9c (9)  No.12024077>>12024158

>>12020461

Usenet is antiquated. I2P is bogged down by latency/bandwidth issues. Onion is subject to the follies of HTTP.

Right now, the bugs are really the more pressing drawbacks to IPFS. We can't expect any significant shift of users to the new protocol if there are no platforms built for them (and relying on most end users wanting to navigate the CLI is not wise), and we can't efficiently develop platforms while parts of the functionality and design lack in intuitiveness. Fortunately the development teams seem to be aware of many of these things, and platforms are still being created regardless (see the smugboard link in the OP if you want to look into a possible IPFS /pol/).

What should probably be a precedence is taking existing established services that are based mostly on IPFS already - DTube for example - and push them off HTTP entirely (or alternatively, create clones). Then, play up the freedom angles when spreading word about them to the public. And it goes without saying, try to populate them with content that people will actively seek out. Establishing contact with people who already make that content for this purpose would also be a good step.

>>12022111

>Is that what this does:

Yes, it seems that is implied in the section about WARC header parsing in "indexer.py".


87d8d0 (1)  No.12024086

No

You had your chance, you blew it.


01c011 (1)  No.12024158>>12025386 >>12026519

>>12024077

I think a high priority item would be a browser extension that WARC's and uploads to IPFS.

I actually did a bit more research into

>>12022111

… last night and I don't understand how it manages to replay HTTPS. Problem is, though we can record the transaction, I don't believe Chrome provides an interface to actually get the keys needed to decipher the handshakes (I looked at QtWebEngine and couldn't see an interface that could achieve this either).

But, the benefit of a Browser extension is that it would alleviate the need to leverage a third party service that can only record a particular URL. For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page. This has always been a limitation of traditional archiving services - if someone were to infiltrate Skippy's social media circle, for instance, they could not pass the URL's to a traditional archiving service because it would be behind an authentication wall.

All that said, I'm not entirely familiar with HTTPS and the interfaces that most browsers provide, so if anyone could provide more insight as to whether it is:

>feasible to create a WARC+IPFS extension for Chrome/Firefox/Falkon or similar

>have the ability for the WARC to be proven as an authentic transaction via HTTPS

… that'd be great. Will CC the /tech/ department to see if they have anything to contribute in this regard.


ba7aa7 (1)  No.12025386>>12025600

>>12024158

https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

https://github.com/ludios/grab-site

https://github.com/webrecorder/webrecorder

https://github.com/internetarchive/warc

https://github.com/N0taN3rd/Squidwarc

https://github.com/machawk1/warcreate

https://github.com/machawk1/wail

https://github.com/n0tan3rd/wail

Your first challenge: understand what these repos do


936fc4 (1)  No.12025600>>12026519 >>12030194 >>12564641

>>12025386

I think you misunderstand my concern. Scraping a website and storing it is easy. What I don't believe is easy and someone with more knowledge might be able to correct me here is proving that what's scraped is the actual authentic response from a particular domain.

For example, I could scrape http://somesite.com (note the use of http and not https), but I could easily MITM attack the content to inject whatever I wanted - or straight up just modify it after the fact.

My question is around how HTTPS behaves. If I were to scrape my internet traffic while visiting a HTTPS site using a software suite like Wireshark, for example, I would be unable to view the decrypted data. So, the idea I'm speaking of here is basically recording the whole HTTPS session + the decryption key established in the handshake. I'm assuming and again, may be wrong that this would provide proof that the response is in fact signed by the HTTPS certificate possessed by the domain being scraped. Attempting to modify this content would then invalidate the signature - so it could be proven if it was an authentic response versus a tampered response.

>https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

This only mentions HTTP in the description.


ddadea (6)  No.12026519>>12190464 >>12564641

>>12024158

>>12025600

>For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page

Now that's the kind of ingenuity I was looking for, anon. You've certainly looked more deeply into this than I have, so I'm not sure I could give you many new insights here, but maybe looking into how public key pinning works will help clarify the matter for you. Or certificate transparency, the implementation that Google opted for instead (because, they claim, of security reasons).

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7469

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6962


821147 (3)  No.12030194>>12030527

>>12025600

The thing to understand is the way of which these software does archiving. If we don't know how WARC is made, and how WARC can be dumped into IPFS, the project is useless on the get-go


9d3086 (3)  No.12030527>>12030745 >>12564641

>>12030194

>If we don't know how WARC is made

>the project is useless on the get-go

The more important factor here is the HTTPS question - and whether it is technically possible to verify that a HTTPS request/response has not been tampered. Even if this does not fit into a WARC format, a new container can be built for it - if it is possible.

>and how WARC can be dumped into IPFS

This is trivial. IPFS can accept any type of file.


1f2f48 (1)  No.12030745>>12030768 >>12031843

>>12030527

The issue (being a bike shed) is whether this is "reinventing the wheel" or not.


9d3086 (3)  No.12030768>>12079571

>>12030745

Great post, it glows.


6e3d3b (11)  No.12031843>>12034741 >>12079571

File (hide): aafead520a32b59⋯.jpg (117.79 KB, 640x480, 4:3, QR-codes.jpg) (h) (u)

>>12030745

Could you point us to which of those programs are trying to accomplish the same thing (SSL cert-verified session recording)?

>>12020341

To extend an idea from the OP picture and here, /pol/ could probably make use of sharing their IPNS/IPFS sites via the use of public QR codes. The articles could focus on any topic you like, but a blog for example, focusing mostly on your town/local community and the news/issues more relevant to them would be a more amicable place to start. And you could always drop a few more leads a bit further into the rabbit hole throughout the articles ("why is the industry in my town so dead?" "I didn't know income inequality here was so high" "what's with all the crime?").


407944 (2)  No.12034741>>12036169 >>12079571

>>12031843

Public-private key cryptography is only used to verify the server and to transfer a symmetric key which is used to encrypt the actual content. Considering that the client has this symmetric key it should be easy for someone to forge the actual content of the response and put it in an archive.

That is unless the server uses something like this http s://github. com/WICG/webpackage/tree/master/go/signedexchange .


9d3086 (3)  No.12036169>>12037788 >>12045005

>>12034741

Thank you, this is the kind of response I was after.

So basically, content is encrypted (with symmetric key) and not signed, what we're trying to do here probably is not possible. Do you know of any plans to incorporate "content signing" (or whatever name it might be called) into the HTTPS protocol asides from the PoC link you gave?

I don't imagine many sites would opt to implement this as it would probably only ever implicate them.

Can you think of any other alternatives to this problem?


407944 (2)  No.12037788>>12045005

>>12036169

A trusted archiving/mirroring website could implement content signing. Then anyone could download this signed copy in case the original mirror was taken down.

Or we could false flag them into submission while at the same time implementing content signing at our sites, such as 8chan, to prevent them from doing the same.


02d7cb (1)  No.12043064>>12045005

torsocks ipfs init

yay or nay?


404265 (1)  No.12044376>>12045005 >>12058497

>>12020205

It does not replace TCP/IP but http.

IP is just the addressing/packet transmission service and not cause of the problems mentioned above.

So no need to replace it.


6e3d3b (11)  No.12045005>>12058497 >>12079571

File (hide): b80a47f81a45b34⋯.webm (1.69 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, wtf i love bernie now.webm) (h) (u) [play once] [loop]

>>12036169

>I don't imagine many sites would opt to implement this as it would probably only ever implicate them.

An excellent point.

>>12037788

>Or we could false flag them into submission while at the same time implementing content signing at our sites, such as 8chan, to prevent them from doing the same.

An excellent solution. My one worry would be that they would use that to downplay the authenticity of the archives we already have, but that may be remedied if we make sure that the services we create are notably separate from the authentic ones we like to use right now, as well as putting a lot of emphasis onto the 'session' factor of falsehood (something that would require a session to actually load, but not fake - like an old Instagram photo or a private message from someone on a signed-in account).

>>12043064

Tor is ultimately not even close to infallible, and it seems to have slipped by everyone that the entirety of the network is being supported by a mere 1000 exit nodes, if that.

https://metrics.torproject.org/relayflags.html?start=2016-05-15&end=2018-08-22&flag=Exit

Fortunately for us, Tor is not the alpha and omega of onion routing.

>>12044376

>It does not replace TCP/IP but http

Of course. It's a separate level of abstraction entirely to TCP/IP. But, if I'm understanding the white paper right, it also does not depend on TCP entirely for generating node identities and routing them (ie, it is interchangeable, if such a solution were to appear - much like it is with HTTP).


ddadea (6)  No.12058497>>12079571

File (hide): 10c901514bebadc⋯.png (53 KB, 673x353, 673:353, routing.png) (h) (u)

File (hide): 803d5053c7f713e⋯.png (22.18 KB, 780x379, 780:379, NDN_Architecture_Stack.png) (h) (u)

>>12044376

>>12045005

Adding to this,

The potential for modularity seems to be important to Protocol Labs. A DHT is also not necessary for IPFS' routing interface (static hash tables or databases can be used instead) and block exchange strategies can be altered by any node.

The problems with IP parallel those with HTTP, only instead of reliance on domain registrars and Cloudflare, you are at the whims of IANA, your ISP and giant telecommunications providers like CenturyLink and Verizon - even stronger monopolies. Infrastructure is also a physical matter, and bound even more tightly to jurisdiction than the abstract software used for routing. PL anticipated these worries, and constructed IPFS with Named Data Networking (and the death of IP) in mind - where, like their content-addressed file system, content chunks (or blocks) are central to the network.

Likewise, the benefits gained from transitioning are also the same - lower congestion, freedom to publish and ability to serve data widely, restoring anonymity, and so on. That the frontrunners of this research are the NSF makes one wonder how that might benefit them.


9c2e08 (1)  No.12075285

bamperino


db95ad (2)  No.12078427>>12078442 >>12078656 >>12079571 >>12082249 >>12118384

File (hide): 9f6ea7bb3993862⋯.jpg (37.61 KB, 550x575, 22:23, born_do_shitbost.jpg) (h) (u)

IPFS is shit. From what I can tell, it stores content on your HDD. That's a big NOPE for me right there. Storing darkweb content on your HDD is a BAD FUCKING IDEA.

I2P is secure, easy to set up, and works more like the internet we already know and love.


6e7432 (1)  No.12078442>>12079571

>>12078427

Has the fact I2P runs on a Java VM been addressed yet? That sounds shady as fuck itself.


2b959e (2)  No.12078648

Told you this was the future.

I said it a year ago, and you losers called me a nigger.

Channel upon channel of encryption, where no one can read into anyone else’s channel without the proper keys.

You’re nerd food goons.


2b959e (2)  No.12078656

>>12078427

Shits not secure, read slashdot nigger.


9852d6 (1)  No.12079344

>>12021514

Of course they still were jews anon…. They are called something else back then.


7a3a64 (1)  No.12079571>>12082249 >>12235997

>>12030768

No, (((you))) are the one who want to make another software stack. Do it then.

>HTTPS request/response has not been tampered.

https://security.stackexchange.com/a/37710

Trivial As Fuck

>>12031843

>which of those programs are trying to accomplish the same thing (SSL cert-verified session recording)

I am saying he is trying to dodge the whole WARC system without proposing an alternative.

SSL cert-verified session recording is basically air-tight (unless your browser is fucked with MITM or cert-editing)

This has made good note about the issue >>12034741

>>12045005

Good post. Basically all archives are mutable by definition under the current system. If we are archiving our enemies' websites the only credibility that we would have are "word of mouth".

>>12058497

Nice.

>>12078427

Now THIS is a glow-in the dark. Unless you seed it it will only be in RAM.

>>12078442

C-implementation is not ready yet, you can test it though


db95ad (2)  No.12079768>>12079831 >>12079956 >>12082249 >>12190457

File (hide): df230723312305d⋯.jpg (148.21 KB, 1480x959, 1480:959, meanwhile_at_google.jpg) (h) (u)

GOOD LUCK HOSTING A *chan ON IPFS YOU NIGGERS.

IPFS may be ok for storing/sharing data, but IPFS seems to have no indexing, so good luck finding anything on it unless someone hands you a fucking link to their site/files.

However;

I2P does torrents within the I2P network for storing/sharing data.

I2P does actual dynamic websites, and is home to several *chans. (IPFS seems geared towards static content, and "smugboard" seems merely to be a workaround)

I2P also has IRC.

The internal addressbook of I2P lists all sites known to your I2P router, and the "eepstatus" site on I2P shows you all the new and otherwise unknown sites.


5c78fa (1)  No.12079831

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>>12079768

>*chans


7f87dd (1)  No.12079887>>12082249 >>12088181

>>12020142 (OP)

Not to shit on IPFS, but if you don't feel like using a command line tool or instaling a billion programs, there's also Freenet, which is basically the same thing and works all from within your browser. It has plugins for forums and a Facebook-like social network, too.


e39db0 (1)  No.12079956>>12088181 >>12111524

>>12079768

Once Urbit has matured it'd be a great way for anons to host images, videos, etc. I've been thinking about creating an Urchan for the platform, but I'm sure someone will beat me to it.


0bca9c (9)  No.12082249>>12088181 >>12188181

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>>12078427

>>12079768

You can only repeat misconceptions here and in other threads so many times before your bad faith starts to shine through.

>>12078607

Yes, I presume he's talking about the Bitswap exchange I briefly mentioned here >>12020251 , which fetches blocks for other peers to encourage them to seek your desired content in return. Not only does the IPFS daemon need to be running for this (which isn't necessary if you just want to fetch content), but these blocks are also stored in non-persistent RAM caches. And like you said, you only store on your HDD what you choose to download.

>>12079571

>I am saying he is trying to dodge the whole WARC system without proposing an alternative

Ah, I see the misunderstanding then. If my slim understanding of WARC is right (which I am just gleaning from looking over the initial ISO draft), then with it being merely formatting focused, I doubt there would be any restriction on keeping session data too, with little or (hopefully) no modification to the standard. If basic JS functions can already be used through Wayback Machine captures, then it should be possible to capture asynchronous data too, right?

http://bibnum.bnf.fr/WARC/WARC_ISO_28500_version1_latestdraft.pdf

>>12079675

>>12079786

Hi anon, how is it coming along so far? I've never gotten as far as running it myself.

Also, why JS over Go?

>>12079887

Regarding the OP pic, MDwiki was included as a very simple proof of concept for generating elegant-looking HTML pages without needing any knowledge of HTML. IPFS itself suffices for fetching content, but I'm more concerned specifically with what we can build on top of it.

I do not know how Freenet handles addressing, but I don't know of anywhere the deduplication, versioning and routing versatility of IPFS is mirrored within Freenet.


a7abd9 (2)  No.12082332>>12082333 >>12082640 >>12084512 >>12088181

>>12020205

>it isn't dependent on any particular host

>Nor does it depend on domain name severs

>modified DHT

they could shoah the DHT at multiple levels


a7abd9 (2)  No.12082333>>12082640

>>12082332

(((they)))


0bca9c (9)  No.12082640>>12084512 >>12111563

>>12082332

>>12082333

Checked, and please elaborate.


6e3d3b (11)  No.12084512>>12111563

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6e3d3b (11)  No.12084870

>>12084517

>>12084527

Recently I finished the 'abstract' outline of my project, and entered the long-haul design phase. I've been studying the IPFS spec and some third party libraries (and other docs) as part of that, but haven't yet gotten to any 'compiling' stage.

https://docs.ipfs.io/guides/concepts/mfs/

https://cluster.ipfs.io/

https://github.com/ipfs/papers/raw/master/ipfs-cap2pfs/ipfs-p2p-file-system.pdf

https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs

https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard

https://flyingzumwalt.gitbooks.io/decentralized-web-primer/content/

https://ipfs.io/docs/examples/example-viewer/example#../api/service/readme.md

https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/48

And for anyone looking to work with the default Go implementation:

>>>/pdfs/10048


4a5dde (2)  No.12088181>>12111524

>>12084517

Steemit and IPFS+ETH is for monetary rewards, otherwise IPFS is just a global-tracker with hashes for all files and folders.

>>12082332

It's FOSS, so it can't be shoahed.

>>12079887

You never tried https://orion.siderus.io ?

>>12079956

Very hopeful that Urbit will work.

>>12082249

>Ah, I see the misunderstanding then. If my slim understanding of WARC is right (which I am just gleaning from looking over the initial ISO draft), then with it being merely formatting focused, I doubt there would be any restriction on keeping session data too, with little or (hopefully) no modification to the standard. If basic JS functions can already be used through Wayback Machine captures, then it should be possible to capture asynchronous data too, right?

Not too sure as these things are the kind of stuff that archive.fo others won't show you. We need to do more research on that.

Also instead of Freenet you can try Retroshare like those degenerates in >>>/hypno/41015


7e521a (1)  No.12088721

File (hide): aead7b33eb2ea92⋯.png (117.14 KB, 1600x2600, 8:13, how-to-screenshot-or8.png) (h) (u)

sort of related, after you screen shot with firefox


0bca9c (9)  No.12111524>>12117818

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>>12079956

>>12088181

I've just glossed over some Urbit & Retroshare material.

The idea of Urbit's limited addresses (and the early sale of them) concern me a little, but it seems like a very interesting concept nonetheless. I've noticed it was founded by a 'neoreactionary' figure (Curtis Yarvin) and backed by Thiel too, to give some possible political context to their motive (a "digital republic", with Roman-style governance). That said, it's workings are generally quite vague, unless you can bother to sift through the 57-page paper. So I can't say much right now.

RetroShare seems simple enough from an end-user point if you aren't looking for any demanding or specialised service. Probably works quite well as a messenger.


b79db3 (1)  No.12111563>>12117818 >>12125104 >>12190451

>>12084512

>>12082640

different anon, but look up sybil attack for an idea on how DHTs and nodes can be manipulated

while IPFS is promising, it still does not directly solve this problem, it only makes it harder to pull off. in their own words:

"Nodes are identified by a NodeId, the cryptographic hash of a public-key, created with S/Kademlia’s static crypto puzzle. Nodes store their public and private keys (encrypted with a passphrase). Users are free to instatiate a “new” node identity on every launch, though that loses accrued networkbenefits. Nodes are incentivized to remain the same."

tl;dr it's secure but not bulletproof


4a5dde (2)  No.12117818>>12125104

>>12111524

>>12111563

Any progress/ideas?


21b6c6 (1)  No.12118384

>>12078427

Plausible deniability, IPFS is part of the future. Not just darkweb things. It is all thing distributed. True, it is not for everyone because it will eat bandwidth and in some cases requires lots of space. Best practices requires a stand along box for IPFS work. Never on your own day to day PC.


ddadea (6)  No.12125104>>12125342 >>12167079 >>12190451

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>>12111563

I feel like that anon was talking in a much broader scale - like a simple killswitch for the whole routing system - and implying that was a reason for avoiding it, as if there is currently any better alternative before NDN comes around. And I also still doubt he was being earnest in his reply.

You do have a point about possible sybil attacks, though. One of the parts of the paper that I questioned was why some kind of signing wasn't inherent to ID generation, especially considering a PKI was already present. Fortunately, that has little, if any effect on quickly verifying IPFS blocks themselves after downloading, and if need be, any application built on top of the protocol could include such a solution.

>>12117818

All of the facilities needed to publish files through IPFS currently exist. Indexes for these however, are scarce. So start to create archives, or index files that have already been published. I mentioned one possible application of this here:

>>>/pdfs/10048

in being able to mirror the board's uploads (the thread was stickied not long after that, so it seems there is some interest there). But go further than literature. Publish your /pol/ folder. Convince a YouTube channel to mirror all of their content, or even do it yourself. Create a blog about self-sufficiency. Anything that people will find valuable enough to at least pay attention to.


ddadea (6)  No.12125342>>12189054

>>12125104

Wrong /pdfs/ link

>>>/pdfs/10049


786212 (1)  No.12139674>>12140445

Abandoning static private webpages was a mistake


77e3e8 (1)  No.12140445

>>12139674

No, you are


18336f (1)  No.12167079>>12188181

>>12125104

Who wants to Orbit-DB everything? Or a search engine?


0bca9c (9)  No.12188181>>12188206 >>12188757 >>12228203

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>>12082249

A correction here regarding BitSwap: I was getting my info from the white paper which apparently is several years out of date. A dev has recently told me that block-fetching for other nodes hasn't actually been implemented at all, and perhaps because of the legal tensions that it could cause, is unlikely to be added in the future. The blocks that you request are only the ones that you are seeking yourself, and the ones you serve are only the ones you already have in your repo (on your HDD).

>>12167079

There is actually an existing search engine, though documentation is quite light:

https://ipfs-search.com/

https://github.com/ipfs-search

I've wondered how well Orbit might fare as an IRC equivalent, but haven't really looked into it.


102d34 (1)  No.12188206>>12189054

>>12188181

>make yourself impossible to identify by face recognition

>by making yourself easily recognisable in every other way


1d689a (1)  No.12188371

Bump


2e064c (3)  No.12188400>>12188770 >>12189054 >>12190451

The major weakness in all of these systems is illegal content (CP) and copyright infringement. Both of these can be used arbitrarily to shut down opposition. Any legal proceedings for possession of these materials will be a show trial run by clowns.

I am developing a human-like object detector which can serve as an API that can flag any image that resembles humans in the slightest bit to get around the CP problem.


1dd02c (1)  No.12188454>>12189054

So instead of hosting my own stuff on my own hardware that I pay for, I'm just going to upload stuff to the "cloud" and then hope that whoever else is running this IPFS thing (out of the goodness of his heart) is going to have adequate resources and the will to keep my stuff online. Obviously you can see that this is communist retard shit and it won't work for anything beyond little hobby sites. No one is actually going to use (((IPFS))) for anything serious and so it is retarded. sage.


729bb0 (1)  No.12188485>>12189054

>>12020297

I get really lost in any network/computer thread, can anyone suggest me a study plan or related books in this subject? Thanks.


7757c8 (1)  No.12188757

>>12188181

Is that facial recognition using dlib or mt?


6bc55a (1)  No.12188770>>12189054 >>12190451 >>12190475

>>12188400

>The major weakness in all of these systems is illegal content (CP) and copyright infringement.

Yep. If it doesn't already exist because of some sick cunt who wants to abuse the beauty of freedom, they'll just fucking plant it. You need to be extremely pro-active in removing it and immunizing against it.

Copyright infringement can get fucked, though.


0bca9c (9)  No.12189054

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>>12188206

Alternatively, vantablackface.

>>12188400

>>12188568

>>12188770

IPFS is not a blockchain. Like I explained above, there is no unwitting hosting of content you do not explicitly request. If there was any precedent to go after IPFS in general (which would already be quite difficult) for CP existing on the network, there would also be a precedent to take down all HTTP services.

Filecoin is a blockchain that provides storage for anyone willing to pay (and payouts for anyone willing to host), but that isn't intrinsically tied to IPFS.

>>12188454

>So instead of hosting my own stuff on my own hardware that I pay for,

There is nothing to stop you from doing that. Please try harder.

>>12188485

For IPFS? It's a very new program, and still hasn't been officially released yet. But the white paper covers most of the existing concepts and the dev team on freenode IRC (#ipfs) can help you with the rest.

If you want to learn Golang, the language that the main IPFS implementation is written in, I've linked a book uploaded on /pdfs/ here >>12125342

If you're looking for resources on networking in general, I believe CISCO has published a lot in that area.


fbe24b (1)  No.12189776>>12192948 >>12192959 >>12228203

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>>12020297

despite the shill attack, you're on the right track here. We can argue the merits of free speech after we have a viable platform to protect it. I have known in my bones that censorship is wrong my entire life. Nobody had to point it out.

The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

Young one, listen to me. Communication as we know it is under attack. You already can't tell if I'm a bot, shill, or neckbeard. Everything we know as the internet must be decentralized. Do not trust the cloud, do not run on Azure, AWS. Do not run docker containers. Think TempleOS, not OSX. You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen. Go.


8298b4 (2)  No.12190451>>12228203

>>12188770

>>12188400

CP bombing => degeneracy bombing

>>12111563

>>12125104

Any secondary backup plans with Torrents, Retroshare and Sia/Storj?


8298b4 (2)  No.12190457

>>12079768

Remember that OpenBazaar has I2P and TOR support.


2e064c (3)  No.12190464>>12228203

>>12026519

>>For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page

Already possible using automated tools for many years such as Selenium web driver


2e064c (3)  No.12190475

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>>12188770

>because of some sick cunt who wants to abuse the beauty of freedom, they'll just fucking plant it


c57451 (1)  No.12192769>>12228203

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>>12020297

despite the shill attack, you're on the right track here. We can argue the merits of free speech after we have a viable platform to protect it. I have known in my bones that censorship is wrong my entire life. Nobody had to point it out.

The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

Young one, listen to me. Communication as we know it is under attack. You already can't tell if I'm a bot, shill, or neckbeard. Everything we know as the internet must be decentralized. Do not trust the cloud, do not run on Azure, AWS. Do not run docker containers. Think TempleOS, not OSX. You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen. Go.>>12020297

<reposting this as it got shoa'd the first time I posted it.


57ff0a (1)  No.12192842>>12212299 >>12228203

>>12020142 (OP)

My question is, can we make an IPFS server to host all content on the network, as it is today, as a localized cache / seed machine, for the network, and how much storage would it reasonably require to run it?

The whole internet hasn't been archived yet, so I am assuming that IPFS has a rather small footprint of available data, right now.

There again, assume makes an ass out of you and me.

But, still, can dedicated, IPFS systems be setup to use as host for the network, and download the content locally for seeding, or reading by the end user? Last time I played with it, it worked well, for hosting and archiving your own shit, but didn't really have an "easy" way to access the content of others, like a "Jewgoole" type search engine for content already stored.


963bf4 (2)  No.12192948>>12192959 >>12228203

>>12189776

>The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

>

>If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

The first thing I ever downloaded from a BBS was "The Complete Guide to Bestiality and Necro-Beastiality." (muh edge)

Then I found 2600 and PHRACK. (2600/HOPE is pozzed now sadly, they were triggered by a MAGA hate this year.)


963bf4 (2)  No.12192959

>>12189776

>>12192948

http://www.textfiles.com/history/

>The purpose of the history section is for people who lived through the "Golden Age" of BBSes to write about their experience. They can write about it from the point of view of someone looking back, or they can try to recreate the feelings they had when they went through it in childhood (or early adulthood).


934451 (7)  No.12212283>>12228203 >>12235997

New Kid On The Block: Beaker Browser's DAT

https://github.com/datprotocol


934451 (7)  No.12212299

>>12192842

Ask BibAnon https://wiki.bibanon.org/Main_Page

Or better yet http://inclibuql666c5c4.onion/ or inclib.i2p


c6b7f3 (1)  No.12212328

bump


ddadea (6)  No.12228203>>12255399

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>>12189776

>>12192769

>You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen

That becomes far easier when point B is your next-door neighbour.

>>12190451

>Any secondary backup plans with Torrents, Retroshare and Sia/Storj?

Not on my end. The reason I have been focusing on IPFS is because of the far greater malleability and wealth of features when compared with torrents. Private torrent sites are some of the most carefully curated libraries we have, yet the necessity of using a tracker is what holds them far back from their potential. They're "decentralised" until they get taken down and that content needs to be rehosted.

>>12190464

I'm not very familiar with it, but it seems to miss the most critical point anon was getting at - the possibility of assuring the authenticity of what is loaded via the host itself (in his example, through a TLS cert).

>>12192842

>My question is, can we make an IPFS server to host all content on the network

No. Both fortunately and unfortunately, the use-case for the filesystem has already stretched far beyond what anybody without a datacentre would find it viable to mirror. This being one example:

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/addressing-petabytes-of-genetic-data-with-ipfs/1471

With archive.org also pursuing their own rehosting project.

Systems for 'pinning' (seeding) by request do exist though, as well as HTTP gateways that often pin smaller files for some time. I believe (think) that things that you snatch through "ipfs add" are also pinned automatically, or at least kept in your cache for a little while.

I did mention a nascent search engine here >>12188181 , whose devs are still trying to work out how to best keep it secure (in terms of verifying returned content). It's a good step in the right direction, though the real end goal (in my view) would of course be the move away from websites entirely, and future 'browser' integration with such libraries.

>>12192948

>2600

I was trying to remember the name of that, thanks.

>>12212283

Beaker is something I briefly took a look at, but never paid too much mind to because of the reasons above for not using BitTorrent. But anyone pushing content-addressed links over the HTTP status quo is doing well by me.


69b4a4 (1)  No.12232191>>12314238

here's a way to start playing around with ipfs now: https://orion.siderus.io/


8ec59c (1)  No.12235997>>12255399 >>12314238

Glad this thread is still around.

>>12079571

>https://security.stackexchange.com/a/37710

You miss my point. My point is that although I can prove that the response I AM getting is authentic from a particular server, if I then wish to send that response to a third-party, I do not believe it is possible for them to verify that it is authentic (i.e. that I have not tampered with it prior to sending to this third-party IPFS in this case). I would be glad to be proven wrong here.

>>12212283

Can you give a TLDR rundown of what this is and what benefits it would have over IPFS. This is the first I've heard of this.


d80675 (1)  No.12255399>>12269622 >>12314238

>>12235997

>>12228203

See https://docs.datproject.org/intro and https://docs.datproject.org/install


8eeccf (1)  No.12269622>>12314238

>>12255399

>https://docs.datproject.org/intro

Thank you - but I don't yet see the advantage of Dat over IPFS.

Personally, I'm a little bit averse to it currently as I worry it'll fragment users into both camps, meaning I have to install more shit. Can you summarize why Dat over IPFS (or vice-versa)?


3754dc (2)  No.12269715>>12286199 >>12314238

>>12020205

listen, I get ipfs is a thing

so is i2p

best to have options

also, you niggers need to start looking into data hoarding

get a shit box that can hold a bunch of disks, install freenas and learn how to leverage zfs

even if they're offline and local, archiving the shit out of everything is not a bad idea

check out the archive team wiki, and learn their ways

https://www.ar c hiv eteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

no doubt they are poz'd but having a little organization, al be it decentralized would really assist in what it is we're trying to do here


3754dc (2)  No.12269722

>>12020368

itty bitty sites is fucking stupid, why would I send content that can logged and is not encrypted


41b8be (1)  No.12280163>>12286199 >>12314238

>>12020142 (OP)

this exposes your IP address to everybody looking at your site


934451 (7)  No.12286199

>>12269715

>>12269767

Don't forget ZFS for drive failures.

>>12280163

That is how IPFS and BitTorrent works (unless you do TOR/I2P routing)


1f338e (1)  No.12286526>>12288401 >>12288406 >>12288410

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>>12269767

You should stop doing weed and read enough about computers to be able to articulate questions, at least. I mean you're using TOR, you should know better. Grab a book or watch videos about general computer subjects like "what is TCP/IP", "what is a blockchain", "what is a distributed hash table", etc


ec2035 (3)  No.12288401

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ec2035 (3)  No.12288406

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>>12286526

also this


ec2035 (3)  No.12288410

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>>12286526

and this


ddadea (6)  No.12314238>>12345317

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>>12232191

Orion is an excellent example of an early foray into the protocol and a glimpse of the potential it holds. When developers start to realise that the vestiges of the WWW centralisation do not need to be hung onto at all however, then we can take that progress even further and start to consider user-made indexes.

>>12235997

Transport security really falls outside my realm of expertise, but with there being a public key component of a certificate, shouldn't one be able to use the encrypted form of the content returned (and maybe a session key) to verify the integrity of that? I have no idea how this might change for asynchronous content, though.

>>12255399

>>12269622

I opted for IPFS because of simplicity, deduplication, routing flexibility, and mutable names. Things like the Merkle DAG and versioning concepts that also exist are excellent advantages too, and I see little in the way of Dat competing with that. But like I said, don't let that deter you from experimenting with it too.

>>12269715

I'll give it a read.

>>12269767

Yes, you're probably thinking of web scrapers, that are already widely in use, and an outdated mirror of Wikipedia actually exists already on IPFS, there just hasn't been a lot of motivation in maintaining it.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/

>>12280163

False, it exposes your IP address to everybody seeding your site.


0bca9c (9)  No.12344727

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>first time I've needed to bump this thread in 2 1/2 months

Here are a few links to consider:

https://www.wired.com/story/google-wants-to-kill-the-url/

https://www.eff.org/free-speech-weak-link

http://cid-utils.ipfs.team/

https://www.sandvine.com/press-releases/blog/sandvine-over-70-of-north-american-traffic-is-now-streaming-video-and-audio

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/netflix-researching-large-scale-peer-to-peer-technology-for-streaming/

http://node2.e-mesh.net/tv2/

https://github.com/giorgisio/goav

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/building-a-new-tor-that-withstands-next-generation-state-surveillance/

https://github.com/OpenBazaar/go-onion-transport

https://github.com/ipfs-search/ipfs-search

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-undersea-internet-cables/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZMoY3q2uM


cd13ec (1)  No.12345317>>12359302 >>12466209

>>12314238

Everything that isn't BUILT ON TOR is garbage. Built on, built for it. If it requires configuration modification, it's trash.


934451 (7)  No.12359302

>>12345317

TOR is a honeypot by antifa.


ba7455 (1)  No.12359314>>12384365

>>12020274

>too dumb to understand ipfs

we dont need you in our ranks


934451 (7)  No.12384365

>>12359314

no/tech/ fags should not be in charge of >>>/pdfs/ (or at least torrents)


a8f6f9 (1)  No.12411700>>12421372

ITT: Use IPFS, TOR and/or I2P to share posters and redpill images

Repo for the "Permanent Booru": https://github.com/Kycklingar/PBooru

Existing instances: kycklingar.i2p and vsdfdtkr5mh6y33p.onion

What does it do

An image gallery that uses IPFS's P2P function to share images, and for those who want security, use TOR and/or I2P to download images directly.

What is it good for

Make sure that files will never get lost as long as someone is mirroring/seeding it, which insures sustainability beyond MEGA and other "centralized file sharing sites"

Why the fuck should I care?

>>>/pdfs/ and >>>/eternalarchive/ have reference on massive data stores being wiped out, better be safe than sorry

See: https://ipfs.io and https://orion.siderus.io/

To those who don't understand what a "running instance" is, that is that we in /tech/ call an "example website". Yes, I know the original TOR/I2P instance is pozzed, but the source code is out there for us to make another for /pol/ and only /pol/.

> So is IPFS similar to Freenet and I2P? I've had some success using Freenet, but it's dead, not a single page has been updated since October 2015. Never really got I2P running.

IPFS is to BitTorrent like I2P and Freenet is to TOR

> When shtf or they keep overreaching with their deplatforming and censorship IPFS is phenomenal, given you have a node running

Remember to run IPFS over I2P or TOR, this repo did it successfully https://github.com/OpenBazaar


837bc1 (2)  No.12421372

>>12411700

bump for support


000000 (3)  No.12421391>>12421394

Anyone interested in anonymity and cancer-free software should take a look at Nanochan.

>no javascript

>image uploads through tor

>no clearnet access

>uncucked mods

>only 2,000 lines of code for nanochan vs. 100,000 lines for 8chode

>less lines of code means less bugs

Smugboard is a nice concept but it's written in Javashit and seems to be a thoroughly dead project although it has many bugs still.

http://nanochanxv2lxnqi.onion/nano/pol/


837bc1 (2)  No.12421394>>12421396

>>12421391

> Nanochan a site without source code

> No IPFS/Torrent for spreading propaganda posters

> Just a TOR site that feels like a honeypot

Okay


000000 (3)  No.12421396>>12434246

>>12421394

>site without source code

http://nanochanxv2lxnqi.onion/source.lua

>Muh honeypot

<implying 8chode isn't a honeypot


821147 (3)  No.12434246>>12435501

>>12421396

> Not on clearnet

Yeah it is a CIANigger alright


6d31e9 (1)  No.12435501>>12446274

>>12434246

But clearnet sites would be able to see your IP anyways anon


a0da96 (1)  No.12446274

>>12435501

Either take one for the team and use IPFS or just I2P, NEVER use the TORah


0bca9c (9)  No.12466209

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>>12345317

Tor zealotry on /pol/ is a curious thing indeed.

Consider for a start, that the entirety of the Tor network is supported by an amount of servers that could be stored in a single cabinet of a colocation centre.

What are the security implications of this?

What are the kind of expectations, budgetary or otherwise, that an individual or group will have in setting up enough entry and exit nodes to render traffic correlation on the network by malicious actors infeasible?

Who has been involved with funding and operating The Tor Project?


6e3d3b (11)  No.12494394

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I think activity ITT may have petered out too much to warrant continued bumping, but it's certainly lasted longer than I expected. Since August, we've seen the ineffectuality of HTTP web services like Gab and BitChute in annihilating censorship, and the necessity of distributed user indexing to overtake them. When the trifecta of self-empowered publishing, commerce and shared processing technologies come to terms with what is needed to catalyse the spread of their hard work, the game is going to start shifting very rapidly.

Here is perhaps the final revision of the OP pic, where either I mistakenly added the 'ipfs daemon' instruction too late into the guide, or it wasn't necessary at the time (ie an update changed it).


8ef04e (1)  No.12495455

Look at beaker browser


821147 (3)  No.12523202

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> TOR

IPFS+I2P all the way


00b96f (1)  No.12555962

bjump


000000 (3)  No.12564641>>12594030

1

>>12030527

>>12026519

>>12025600

>Bearing in mind that I haven't really looked at HTTPS security in a few years, and that I'm still getting caught up on this thread

It used to be (and I would wager still is) that many implementations of HTTPS servers have the option to use outdated and completely broken protocols, presumably to support clients who surf the webbernets on their Altair 8800s. Tbe case may be that these insecure protocols are still capable of authenticating the source. Even if this isn't the case, they still prove valuable for research, and sometimes even leak information about the other protocols in use.

Alternatively, or additionally:

>Decentralize the authentication

Have individuals, manually or via scripts, verify the page's content and sign the archived version or submit the diff of their version vs the official. Could also be used to highlight sites which provide different pages to different countries, and to reveal the changes/redactions the sites try to make without the goyim noticing. Skiddieify it enough and you might even get goys interested in archiving things.

Also make sure you include whatever you can about the issuance of the keys etc., lest the CA servers decide to drink bleach to the back of the head. There was also a defcon presentation a year or two ago that went over MitMing one's self for the purpose of detecting whether or not sites were bad actors silently serving alternative data to targeted clients, I believe it may have been done to detect playstation network scheistery, but I think it might be of use in counter-anti-archiving operations by making it more difficult for a site to discern whether you're a scraping bot or a genuine reader; basically, it was browser version spoofing cranked to 11.

On a tangential note, is anyone else familiar with neoscoin? It's a rather promising crypto project that's intended for publishing all forms of digital content, including webpage hosting; anything that can be done using traditional servers and web browsers can instead be implemented on the blockchain. Official release is still a ways out, but there's a reason everyone who has neos is hodl for dear life


6e3d3b (11)  No.12594030>>12625761

>We've hit the 4 month mark

I'm glad to see that some of the priorities of /pol/ are where they should be. And that even most of the bad actors do not try to derail this thread, since such attempts would be (& have been) so glaringly obvious to us.

Merry Christmas, all.

>>12564641

>>Decentralize the authentication

>Skiddieify it enough and you might even get goys interested in archiving things

These are 2 extremely keen points that have been quite understated in here so far.

There are 2 wonderful aspects of IPFS that I favour, namely their content hashing (or 'CID's) and their implementation of self-certifying filesystems. By always ensuring that A, the content you are requesting is certainly the one you will fetch, and B, the peer you are connected with is the one who is issuing the data, it opens the doors for precisely the kind of distributed archival you outlined above. Perhaps if SSL-based authentication by itself is not possible, and not likely to be implemented by any significant change to the protocol or those who use it, we may find it best to rely on an aggregate of libp2p-generated IDs that are tied to the pages we have archived along with some derived levels of 'trust', in the style of a dark net market. And if the SSL method is possible, then a mixed solution would be ideal. And of course, the only real path to wide adoption would be to gear it towards the layman - once again, something that should bear a lot of our thought.

I am not aware of neoscoin. Like people have already pointed out ITT though, the obvious security concerns with allowing arbitrary data to be written to a blockchain, and recovered, especially with ease, might be somewhat of an impedance to things. Is there any way that neoscoin has considered of addressing that?


347f2b (1)  No.12594211>>12615197

[pop]YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12020142 (OP)

They will never silence the Spirit of Truth again. Grandjest soon, brothers.


0bca9c (9)  No.12615197

>>12594211

Too bad about all of those corporations that depend on holding the sole keys to the transmission of their material in order to survive. btw that's most of them

Exciting times ahead indeed.


b293bd (1)  No.12615628

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bumpo


5fb246 (1)  No.12625761

>>12594030

I don't know that off hand, but the lead dev is mind-bogglingly crafty, and has worked as a independent contractor problem solving for quite a few big-name coin projects. I could ask him, but I don't really understand the problems yet, at least not as clearly that you seem to. Given the project's goals and community driven ambition, I'd wager heavily that these concerns have been accounted for, but if not, I know they'd be interested in discussing the matter with you and incorporating fixes in a future release. Lead dev is Syntaks on irc.freenode.net/neoscoin

Additional communication methods can be found on https://neos.sh , but I don't think he's been on twatter etc. for over a year.




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