As A Final Fuck You To Free Speech On Tumblr, Verizon Blocked Archivists

from the seriously-guys? dept

By now, of course, you're aware that the Verizon-owned Tumblr (which was bought by Yahoo, which was bought by Verizon and merged into "Oath" with AOL and other no longer relevant properties) has suddenly decided that nothing sexy is allowed on its servers. This took many by surprise because apparently a huge percentage of Tumblr was used by people to post somewhat racy content. Knowing that a bunch of content was about to disappear, the famed Archive Team sprung into action -- as they've done many times in the past. They set out to archive as much of the content on Tumblr that was set to be disappeared down the memory hole as possible... and it turns out that Verizon decided as a final "fuck you" to cut them off. Jason Scott, the mastermind behind the Archive Team announced over the weekend that Verizon appeared to be blocking their IPs:

On Sunday, Scott announced that the Archive Team has figured out a way to get past the blocks:

Still, this is a pretty fucked up thing for Verizon to do. It's one thing to decide to completely change the kind of content you host. That's their call. But, at the very least, allow the people who focus on archiving the internet for historical purposes the chance to actually do what they do best. Blocking the Archive Team is a truly obnoxious move, cementing Verizon's reputation as really not caring one bit about the damage the company does.


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  • identicon
    John Cressman, 18 Dec 2018 @ 12:13pm

    The problem...

    That's the problem with playing in someone else's backyard.... they can dig it up at any time and you are S.O.L.

    I have been in tech for 40+ years and this move to "cloud" is the worse thing that's happened to tech since the copy protected floppy disc or software dongle.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 12:17pm

      Re: The problem...

      That is, in part, why we have a resurgence of a “own your content” mindset via the IndieWeb movement. Tumblr can’t delete your content if it’s not on Tumblr in the first place.

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        Bergman (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:47pm

        Re: Re: The problem...

        The problem though, is that most people can't afford their own content silo, so they have to rely on someone else to host it. Even if they have their own silo, they're usually reliant on DNS services. Even with their own DNS, they are subject to the laws of the nation their server is in (and often even to laws of nations it's not in, such as the US, EU and Canada).

        Even the best intentions often down't survive the real world. Witness what happened to PINAC -- the founder got locked out of his own site by partners. All it takes is one argument and a fit of ego, and suddenly one person steals the content of dozens.

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    Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 12:26pm

    The 'Fuck You' standard

    This is not unlike the way Patreon recently banned a bunch of people without warning. They could have simply disabled money transfers and/or given long term users a chance to say thanks and goodbye to each other before pulling the plug on everything. Companies might want to take note, considering how Patreon is now enduring a growing boycott by former customers, and doubling down in response to the exodus is only going to make things worse.

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    Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 12:30pm

    Verizon wonders why people hate them. Then they enact another poorly thought plan that pisses off the audience they've been trying to reach. Sounds like normal for them.

    Maybe they should all go back to business school. Or atleast go back to the drawing board for a new plan.

    They keep trying to use a screwdriver on a rivet and wonder why it's not working.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 12:42pm

      Re:

      Maybe they should all go back to business school. Or atleast go back to the drawing board for a new plan.

      or kindergarten

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      Bergman (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:48pm

      Re:

      Verizon's problem is they have their heads stuck in the idea that what is best for the company is what is best for their customers.

      Unfortunately, reality is more often the other way around.

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      JoeCool (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 3:18pm

      Re:

      Maybe they should all go back to business school.

      Unfortunately, a modern business school will tell them they're on the right track and that they should double down. Business schools went to heck when they adopted the "greed is good" credo. Everything else grew from that.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 12:40pm

    Can you screw me now?

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  • identicon
    kallethen, 18 Dec 2018 @ 12:50pm

    Their colossal fail of a filter is both sad and hilarious. Tumblr gave examples of acceptable posts, people repost it and find the filter blocks the examples.

    I'm betting this is all an intentional prelude to Tumblr shutting down completely.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 1:16pm

    This censorship push wrapped in jane do-gooder language is tyrannical corporate authoritarianism.

    Activist journalists spinning lies to go after the jobs and source of revenue for citizens who argue legally for issues important to them.

    The destruction of historical record on the internet to wipe away these caches of information that can spread awareness or used to research complicated issues.

    Within the stated goal of eliminating 'sexy' content on Tumlr, there is a huge amount of unrelated material disappearing along with it quietly and designed to go without notice.

    The trap is sprung to curtail the internet. We see now that its been replaced with an AOL or Cable -type network with financial institutions and tech giants hand-in-hand working to strangle and site that recognizes legal speech outside central control.

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    Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 1:24pm

    But it's their platform and you have no right to free speech on it, right Mike?

    Or is that only okay if Google or Facebook own the platform engaging in censorship?

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 1:43pm

      Re:

      "Fuck You" is protected speech, as I'm sure Mike's said more than once here. So, yeah, they can do it, and luckily Mike has another platform on which to bitch about it.

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      Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:13pm

      Re:

      I know you choose not to read anything which might shatter your fake worldview, but you could at least pretend.

      "It's one thing to decide to completely change the kind of content you host. That's their call."

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      Thad (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:26pm

      Re:

      But it's their platform and you have no right to free speech on it, right Mike?

      Right.

      Nobody has a right to free speech on Tumblr. Tumblr has a legal right to take down content on its service, for any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. Tumblr is absolutely, 100% within its legal rights here.

      Are you arguing that just because something is legal, that means nobody should criticize it?

      If so, great. This article is legal, therefore you should shut the fuck up.

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        Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:35pm

        Re: Re:

        No, I'm just pointing out that Mike flips his views 180 degrees when his "sponsors" are the guilty party.

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          Thad (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:43pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          They don't, though.

          "They have the legal right to do this" is not equivalent to "they should do this." You can simultaneously believe that a thing (1) is legal, (2) *should* be legal, and (3) is not a good idea.

          Permit me to demonstrate.

          It is legal for you to hit yourself in the face with a hammer, very hard.

          Do you understand the difference between something being legal and something being a good thing to do?

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          Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:49pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Except he doesn't. His views are that the platform can make any decision they damn well please, and unless the government is involved, there's no legal freedom of speech issues. Forcing someone to host content they don't want to host itself raises freedom of speech concerns.

          Within that, though: there's a wide range of legal but stupid, which is what this article is about.

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            Bruce C., 18 Dec 2018 @ 3:06pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            I don't see any claim in the article that what Verizon is doing is illegal or raises freedom of speech issues. He's just saying that a) the way they exercise their editorial discretion on Tumblr is largely contrary to their stated objectives and b) their final action against the archivists was a dick move.

            Speaking of which, Verizon could decide to double-down on dickery and go after the archivists under the CFA. The IP blocking clearly demonstrates intent to prevent users at those locations from accessing the affected pages and they admit to circumventing those restrictions on twitter.

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 2:49pm

          Mike flips his views 180 degrees when his "sponsors" are the guilty party

          Please provide proof of your claim and the necessary citations required for verifying your evidence.

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          Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 3:05pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          No, what you're doing is lying, as usual.

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    • identicon
      Lawrence D’Oliveiro, 18 Dec 2018 @ 3:41pm

      Re: only okay if Google or Facebook own the platform

      Every company has the legal right to antagonize its customers.

      Whether that’s a good business strategy is another question entirely.

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  • identicon
    Max, 18 Dec 2018 @ 1:42pm

    Somewhat hilariously, when clicking on the embedded tweet above containing a video, instead of the video I get this:

    "By playing this video you agree to Twitter's use of cookies
    This use may include analytics, personalization, and ads."

    ...which I absolutely don't, so I absolutely won't.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 18 Dec 2018 @ 1:44pm

    When we're talking about Jason Scott, we're talking about this Jason Scott, right?

    https://blog.archive.org/author/jasonscott/

    The guy who manages archives at the Library of Congress Approved Archive.org?

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    BentFranklin (profile), 18 Dec 2018 @ 3:28pm

    Verizon got what they wanted when they bought Tumblr: knowledge of each and every person's kinks. So now why would they need Tumblr anymore? Want to run for Congress? Better not cross Verizon! Oh, and the Russians probably got all that too when they hacked Yahoo.

    Well, maybe not, but who knows? I'd sure rather it wasn't even a possibility.

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