*rubs eyes* Can we just all agree dog fucking is bad? Please? For me?
Is it impossible for animals to be able to experience pleasure, and to pursue it?
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You joined two years ago and your first tweet is to respond to me saying “Don’t fuck dogs”?
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Throwaway account. Do you have any answer to my question?
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Wait. I want to dig into this some more. You created a throwaway two years ago, and the thing that made you use it was me saying “Don’t fuck dogs”?
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I purged previous activity.
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So...do you jump in on everyone who says “Don’t fuck dogs,” or am I special?
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I don't go out hunting for tweets like that. But I happen to disagree with you and was hoping for an answer to what I feel is a key question.
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Oh okay. Well, there’s the vets who have actually published papers on the medical issues and internal damage resulting from fucking pets. I think I still have them somewhere from when I wrote my zoophilia article.
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Additionally, the wording of your question seems a little disingenuous. The question isn’t “can animals seek pleasure” but rather “is it right for humans to fuck a physiologically incompatible creature that lacks sentience and which can and often is injured by the activity.”
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Yes, but if a conscious, thinking person were to take advantage of that for personal (SEXUAL) gain, it's abuse. No exceptions. Children chase pleasure and can be coerced into sex by adults, so by that rationale, pedophilia is a logical argument as well???
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I have heard arguments suggesting that animals cannot consent. I disagree. How can a human consent if unable to speak by disability? There are other ways to consent. As for whether any act is abusive? If there is no further risk than going for a walk together, and both enjoy it?
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....I'm gonna jump in. Humans who cannot speak can still write, sign, or otherwise clearly and unequivocally express consent. If they are incapable of making any sort of clear and unequivocal definite statement of consenting, they are likely to be incompetent legally and /1
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therefore, legally speaking, entirely incapable of consenting to sexual activity. A mere physiological response is not dispositive of the ability to consent or competency.
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What about consenting in ASL? It's not written, not spoken, it uses body movement. Just as some animals use specific and unique body movements to express sexual need. Just like a dog might carry a food bowl to their human, then sit up expectantly to express hunger.
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Ahem. You’re arguing in bad faith if you’re implying I didn’t expressly say “clear and unequivocal definite statement of consenting” and explicitly include signing.pic.twitter.com/I33BpxEHdc
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Further, ASL is not “body language.” It is an actual language. Body language is things like how a person holds or carries themselves, looks at another person, etc. ...and is often used by sexual predators even with human victims to argue the victim “wanted it.”
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I may have missed your exact meaning in reference to ASL. As for difference of communication, animals do not generally know ASL. But I do wonder, based on the previous statements, how do people figure animals mating in the wild? Is that abusive? Do animals abuse each other?
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