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.@SadetKarabulut says she talked to minority groups who first thing they think off when talk about so called moderate groups is torture, ethnic cleansing, exclusion.. asked @Charles_Lister for reaction (.........)

.@Charles_Lister says should distinguish between conservative groups & terrorist organizations. "We are not talking about Amsterdam, London, Washington DC, we talking about rural Idlib/Aleppo, deeply conservative society even before the conflict. (...) represent local population

.@Charles_Lister says that Zinki has been involved in every umbrella org...extremely opportunistic..Ideology more conservative, willing to work with groups more extremist on spectrum like (....)

.@Charles_Lister says Russia did not target ISIS or Nusra but groups that Western govts were supporting.

.@Charles_Lister says you will 'get little bit silly in your analysis' if you consider these groups terrorists, but they have been indeed involved in violations/criminal practises

.@Charles_Lister says [Murad or Shamiya] they have been involved in what many people describe as ethnic cleansing [in Afrin]

.@Charles_Lister says Jahbat Shamiya wants state in Syria judicially by Sharia law, but adds every single state has Islamic law in judicial system. So doesnt mean much

.@Charles_Lister says he defines terrorism Sunni Jihadist org with global ambitions no local agenda and international agenda... so he says Jaish al-Islam, Sultan Murad and Jahbat Shamiya not terrorist groups. Maybe conservative but not terrorist.

Dutch MP asks how @Charles_Lister defines a moderate group, Zinki group that beheaded a child, was part of the 70,000 moderate rebels Lister listed.

.@AmnestySyria expert Diana Samaan says they don't differentiate moderate extremist groups, we measure their conduct wether they apply int humanitarian law, meaning protecting of civilians

.@AmnestySyria expert Diana Samaan says Sultan Murad was part of shelling Sheikh Maqsoud. She says there were videos where Sultan Murad was bragging about shooting rockets into Sheikh Maqsoud, 'which is a civilian area'

.@AmnestySyria expert Diana Samaan says recently release press release that showed armed groups violated int law in #Afrin

.@HaraldDoornbos says you cannot get correct information through internet, since its filtered by rebel spokespersons. Idea of rebels was lets not talk about ISIS/Nusra extremists, first deal with Assad, and later with extremists... we were fooled there were no extremists/radicals

.@HaraldDoornbos says town of Kafranbel that was seen as controlled by moderate opposition, symbol for revolution, was under control of Nusra and full with black flags, after his contacts visited the town. 'opposition makes propaganda, pro-Assad people make propaganda..'

.@ThomasVLinge says Dutch supported Kurds with air strikes, but not weapons [aid] as result of Turkish opposition. After that only armed rebels were left to support.

.@PieterOmtzigt asks @ThomasVLinge how you can analyse/understand if groups are moderate or not, from a distance... you talk to commanders or how?

.@ThomasVLinge says Dutch support for rebel groups violated war law/criteria for supporting these groups... they attacked Sheikh Maqsoud and killed dozens or hundreds of civilians, children Also #Afrin was cleansed. People were driven out of their homes and cannot go back

.@HaraldDoornbos says in practice Dutch programs strengthened Turkish position in N Syria, Jihadists in Aleppo/Idlib, while weakening YPG and Syrian army

.@SadetKarabulut asks @HaraldDoornbos if support for so-called moderate groups resulted in supporting Turkish policy in Syria, which led to Turkish invasion in #Afrin.